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Jimmer-jammer

@Ralizah there are absolutely some aspects of socialism that make sense to me. Again, balance is so important. Opposition and accountability, facilitated by the people, are everything.

True genuineness actually puts people off. The only way to combat this is with time. Stay true, and one time enemies may become long time friends.

Kidfried

@Ralizah With regards to boycotting. I actually boycot a lot of stuff out of principle.

Sure, there's a skeleton in every corporate closet, so why not boycott everything? I think that's kind of a reductionist argument.

I will boycott, because some corporations are worse than others. Because some companies are just easier to boycott. And I also do it because even small steps are better than no steps at all.

For instance, most of the corner stores in my neighborhood sell Polish beer. So, sometimes I'll drink a polish beer. Unfortunately the biggest Polish brewer has supported the enactment of LGBTQ-free zones in Poland (look it up, terrible story), so whenever I buy something at that store, I'll buy a beer from a smaller brand.

Does that brewer pollute the environment, and underpay its staff? All true, but it does not do that, as well as pursuing hate crimes against queer people. So I think the question should rather be: why shouldn't I boycot it?

Kidfried

nessisonett

@Kidfried I realised recently that I hadn’t seen a Kevin Spacey movie since the whole downfall. It wasn’t a conscious decision to be honest but I don’t really feel like I’m missing out.

Socks before or after trousers, but never socks before pants, that's the rule. Makes a man look scary, like a chicken.

Black Lives Matter. Enough is enough.

Ralizah

@Kidfried And, y'know, if it doesn't really cost you anything, then it makes sense, right?

I might boycott a corporation out of principle if their actions were particularly egregious. Like, say, if chic-fil-a was regularly professing support and helping to fund those ICE concentration camps or something. And I've definitely refused to patronize local businesses that support horrifying policies.

In general, though, refusing to buy from a chain or larger business is purely a symbolic act for an audience of one. Which is obviously fine, but it seems silly if there are no suitable alternatives and you're just removing something you enjoy from your life to register displeasure in a way that the people you're angry at will never be aware of.

Also, I've been intrigued by LGBT-free zones since I heard about them. If I enter one, will I suddenly feel the desire to consort with the opposite sex? Or do I just get a questionnaire before being allowed in? If LGBT people can go into an LGBT free zone, then it's no longer LGBT free and thus doesn't exist.

@nessisonett Not terribly hard to boycott Spacey movies if they're not even coming out anymore, yeah?

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nessisonett

@Ralizah It’s not just new films, I honestly hadn’t even seen an older one!

Socks before or after trousers, but never socks before pants, that's the rule. Makes a man look scary, like a chicken.

Black Lives Matter. Enough is enough.

Ralizah

@nessisonett I don't think I have, either. Lemme see if I've successfully been boycotting him or not.

edit: boycott success! Haven't watched anything with him in it since Baby Driver in 2017. It's been a few years since I last saw Seven, too.

Also lmao what a crap filmography. Very few notable roles since the 90s. How is this dude still a household name?

edit edit: Wait, I might have seen The Usual Suspects on TV. Do I still get points if I actively tried to remove the film from my memory?

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nessisonett

@Ralizah Pro tip for abusers - release rubbish movies so that it’s easier to boycott them accidentally 😂

Socks before or after trousers, but never socks before pants, that's the rule. Makes a man look scary, like a chicken.

Black Lives Matter. Enough is enough.

Ralizah

@nessisonett Nicholas Cage's years of molestation and abuse of power about to come out, then.

Or has he actually done something?

It's hard to keep track when half the people in Hollywood are outed as sex offenders.

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Gadjo

My father is an agriculturalist. A retired one now, but he made very respectable strides in sectors of irrigation and drought resistant crop cultivation. The things that he knows about my country's soil blow my mind. But he also knows about the compositional integrity of nearly every country's soil.

Knows his trade just about as well as any poppin jay from nations under the umbrella of what I like to call the imperialist core. He's served his country in the specialised civil sector of his interest for close to 40 years of his life. The only time he left was to complete his doctoral studies. He had to emigrate for there were no institutes of higher/tertiary education in the nation and across Africa during his academic ascension. Why do you think that this was the case? Do you know much about the form of luxury capital that enterprising Europeans acquired with ruthless thrift during the colonial era?

You are the beneficiary of monumental exploitation while the aged and aging African men who've come to prominence in the post-colonial epoch have to suffer the indignity of reduced wages because of their domestic governments' reliance on a system of welfare subsidised by an international mode of conducting bussiness that routinely neglects the social implications of its profit motive.

He earned no kind of livable wage and was sunsetted with a retirement package that still makes me cry when I think about it.

There is a distinction in my country's economy that is drawn between goods for export and those for domestic circulation. Nowehere is this more apparent that in the produce sections of local markets. The other day I went out to buy some oranges for people who were under the weather and were educated enough to recognise the effects of zesty citrus fruits in recuperation. Noticing that their stocks of domestic oranges were depleted I grabbed a few export standard oranges and went to the checkout lane. The clerk, having looked at my complexion and taken note of my blackness, asked if I'd made a mistake in sorting out my groceries because she'd reckoned with the nature of this internationalised grift. It was only when she read me what my bill would be with the oranges that I'd realised I would be paying a premium of close to 400% to satiate a craving that extended members of my family had. In what world is this fair. It would spiritually demoralise you to eat what passes for oranges in the domestic market. That and they would thin the lining of your stomach with their acidity.

But, back to my father. In the close to 40 years of his service as a government employee, maybe 4 of his proposed plans for climate resistant strains of crop, and a variety of other concerns, have been implemented solely by the funding of his government. He has had to seek foreign aid for the rest and every time a peculiar feature was readily apparent in what they would put their financial weight behind. I'll help you out by dispelling the notion that they would do anything at the expense of their own interests and won't enumerate any further than that.

Maybe capitalism works for you, but given the nature of my country's orbital path with all of its dependent contradictions around your super power of a nation, it doesn't work for the rest of the world. And we are your brothers and sisters.

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mookysam

@themcnoisy That reminds me of the debate on additional markers for measuring a country's wealth, such as happiness and general quality of life. The pandemic has really brought a lot of the issues to the surface, and people who previously weren't struggling now are.

@Ralizah Wages are quite low here, too, with high inequality, and there hasn't been much real-terms wage growth since the 2008 financial crisis. Ideally we should be in a higher wage, high-productivity society. It's unsurprising that the UK has low productivity compared to other G7 economies. It's not impossible for society to change, but there needs to be the political will to do so.

@Jimmer-jammer It's interesting how capitalism is often equated with freedom. It's not a linear spectrum, as even free market economies can be authoritarian and have poor human rights records. The route capitalism has gone down since the '80s has certainly warped it into the monstrous system we have today, but it's done damage throughout human history, particularly to poorer countries.

#BlackLivesMatter

Th3solution

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colonelkilgore

@Th3solution well it ain’t short nor that catchy but @Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy coined MrGameplayKing for me as I do love to harp on about the virtues of gameplay over pretty much every other aspect of gaming. I quite like it actually 🤫

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Th3solution

@colonelkilgore The first Colonel who is also a King!

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themcnoisy

@Gadjo this is such a one sided juxtaposition and rightfully so. But what makes you think that people in the UK aren't exploited? Let me reassure you, we are. We don't have access to free oranges either.

I don't agree with the route capitalism has taken, people aged under 50 have a generally worse quality of life than the older generation. Most of the population fail to see the fruits of the '6th biggest economy in the world'. Yet here we are.

You will tar us with the same brush, but the reality is most of the people I know just want a nice meal and roof over their heads. And that's harder for most people now than twenty years ago.

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Gadjo

@themcnoisy

But what makes you think that people in the UK aren't exploited? Let me reassure you, we are. We don't have access to free oranges either

Good sir (or madam), is this really what you think I was saying? If so, then I may stop using this language as I'm quite clearly more terrible at speaking it than I'd ever have liked to believe.

You will tar us with the same brush, but the reality is most of the people I know just want a nice meal and roof over their heads.

Tar you. What the hell have you done? I said that you are the unwitting beneficiaries of something that neither you nor I have lived to see. The issue is that you're rushing to defend the reality around you. A reality of unequal compensation that frustrates and saddens me to hear. My sincere well wishes go out to the people whom you may have been reffering to. Suffering is suffering.

When will DONTNOD stop writing in and yearning for the American idiom?

themcnoisy

@Gadjo in what way am I defending anything? I don't agree with our past in numerous ways. Capitalism is just that, capitalising on anything. That anything is currently the younger generation who have a significantly worse chance of a decent life than those before them.

Your father would have potentially had a better chance of a fair pension in the UK. But speaking from my personal point of view my own pension was reduced to pennies in 2008 and even now 13 years later still isn't the same. Geopolitics is insane and is routinely unfair, regional politics is were we suffer. Having millions in poverty isn't benefitting from colonial era policies.

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Gadjo

@themcnoisy

And now we are veering drastically away from the intention of my original post. I feel like somebody is clearly trying to put me in my place by "putting things into perspective." Well, I'm not stupid and don't appreciate the effort. Look over my post to see if I ever mentioned the UK. I saw someone advocate for capitalism and thought that I would contribute by adding my voice as an African from an underdeveloped but still developing market economy.

"Having millions in poverty isn't benefiting from colonial era policies."

You still have a National Health Service and many other common treasuries and public goods that an African routinely dies without. Thank the gods for your socialist labour party's effort in the post war era.

"Your father would have potentially had a better chance of a fair pension in the UK."

Eff my father. I don't even like him. But his story served to illustrate the lack of skilled labour being lost to the more lucrative sectors of the world. He's an exception that stayed out of an admirable principle. There are times when a dogged adherence to principle has cost him dearly. Like when his kidney failed and the absence of suitable donors led him to plead with me. I was reluctant, given our history, but love won out. As I'm sure you're well aware, successful kidney transplants are a tricky business at the best of times, and this is doubly true when your country has no nephrologists — not a lack of sufficient nephrologists, but none of them. It was for this reason that we sought solace in our friends to help us raise funds in order to facilitate our travel to the Bumrungrad medical facility in Bangkok. This took a while, and so he was on dialysis for the better part of 1 year. During which time he would routinely forget who we were and suffer incontinence at a frequency that began to quell the hatred I had for him. It was my mother's job to wheel him out for aristocracy and win sympathy for our pathetic plight. He'd built up enough good will that even juniors in his profession helped us book a surgical slot and plane ticket. Their good graces and the small fortune in assets we'd sold off. All that and begging.

Then there's the anti-rejection medication coupled with his history of high blood sugar that necessitates his use of pre-insulin that ruins us to the degree that we share living space with beneficent members of our extended family.

That's my father's story. I also have a sister that has Downs Syndrome and a history of epilepsy. We've had to expatriate both my mother and her to the comfy bosom of the UK. However, while she was here, she was subject to a series of costly experimental concoctions before her doctors started prescribing phenobarbital. There were times when we wished that she'd die. It would have spared us the sight of her foaming at the mouth and my finger to keep her from biting her tongue before I'd known to turn her over to the side.

Why not conduct your own comparative survey of infant mortality rates, power failure, impoverished per capita, GDP, quality of life, and so on?

Or... you know, continue being indignant for the few historicised assertions an idiot made on some forum. A gaming forum!!!

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RogerRoger

@Th3solution Just to drag this back to yesterday, my thanks to @mookysam for correctly identifying the logo of the Double R Diner, taken from Twin Peaks. I stuck it on there for the first music quiz I made, after sharing a love of the show with @Kidfried who'd helpfully pointed out the accidental connection between my username's initials and the surreal show's setting.

In other words, I'd trademark it if I could, but David Lynch might... well, he might lynch me!

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Kidfried

@RogerRoger I really enjoyed seeing that logo in your YouTube vids. It's a great watermark.

I was eating cheesecake just now. Talking about the RR dinner made me think of cherry pie. And now I finally know the difference between a cake and a pie (they're the same thing in my language). I learnt something!

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