Topic: Corona Virus Panic/Discussion Thread

@JohnnyShoulder That video made me realise that I only have eight unstated rolls left and so if I have to quarantine for more than two months I will need more!

@JohnnyShoulder which commemt are you getting fed up with?

Containment was a dead idea from the back end of February as it everywhere now. We missed the window as everyone thought it was an over reaction. You included.

I'm now saying we may as well go for herd immunity, Covid 19 is everywhere. I think that's fair enough, flatten the curve - I agree we haven't hit peak so there's no point containing anyone now other than the elderly.

Did you even read my comment number 481? It paints exactly that picture.

My comment @486 was badly written with no information of what I meant. Containment has been used successfully in the likes of sars and ebola. Its the first and best choice. We missed the window a few weeks back. Too many countries doing their own thing. Too many ill people being ferried around.

So what's next?

China's response and every other country locking down will have a brief cooling of covid 19. But it will linger around and everyone will get it in the end anyway. Millions will die and global powers will start pointing fingers.

We are throwing away hard won liberty due to a desease which has negligible effects on the population who are fit and under 50. People will gradually get fed up and want to have their lives back. People will go broke, lose their homes, want food, society will change. The reason the cases in wuhan have fallen off a cliff is everyone has had it. The survivors are now immune.

@themcnoisy but containment was never going to work - how do you lock down an entire country for months or years? In theory if EVERY country did that and it never got out of China then maybe it could have worked, but that was simply never going to happen. I don’t think people were saying locking down to avoid any cases ever reaching the UK was an over reaction, just common sense says it wasn’t ever a viable option I reckon.

@kyleforrester87 That's pretty much what I was saying. Every country was working independently, so there hasn't been a singular approach. Lock down everywhere in its infancy, unfortunately it's now too late. Maybe it was too late a couple of weeks ago. This was from the end of Jan.

Comment #80 themcnoisy Thu 30th Jan 2020

All of the Britons in Whutan are being shipped to....

The flipping Wirral!! Wtf nobody voted for this

If at that point the world closed shop for a bit, this current situation would not be happening. Alas its too late so let's come together and find a proper solution.

Infect the young and able bodied. Save the people at risk.

Again unfortunately every other country in the world are stupid. With crap healthcare. So they are going to panic and lock down when they are bubbling for it to drag on way passed its sell by date.

Awesome!

@themcnoisy Most of your comments about containment/locking the country down. It feels like to me that you have an agenda and won't stop going on about it until we all agree with you.

@themcnoisy “the world shut up shop for a bit”, come on dude you’re much smarter than that! And okay say if they did manage that, we wait 14 days and start trying to rebuild the result of that giant mess, only to find the disease pops up in a couple of other countries due to the long incubation period, or those guys that skipped a border in the dead of night or whatever. We just lock the world down again for another 14 days? 🤷‍♂️

@JohnnyShoulder what agenda? Baffled. It's you whom has the agenda. Your the one asking me to stop going on about it. I want you to educate me. That has already happened in part.

@kyleforrester87 correct I am switched on. I don't want to go on about containment it as its clearly infuriating other members of the forum, something I have put to bed in a comment 481. I agree with you going forward mass immunisation as it's the best approach.

I only mentioned containment as it was at one point just in China like you said. So at that point it could be contained. Like you said. And it was at the end of January when that was ruined. As my comment from January points out.

To the forum

I'm honestly not trying to antagonise anyone as easy as that seems to be. We all have different opinions and approaches, all comments I read and take on board. Just like everyone should. No one should be told to shut up regardless of there time of membership or how ludicrous the claim, there isn't a single approach to coronavirus in the world with every country varying their techniques and leaders all reading different notes from a variety of advisors.

One thing we can all agree on is this has gone insane in the world. Regardless of what happens here on in, please don't think I have an agenda. I love stats and tracking and if I know someone has an interest, will 100% post them. I can only go on statistics and expert opinion, something I have an unsafe and obsessive interest in since the first real known danger to the UK, residents of wuhan, were plonked a mile from my front door.

@themcnoisy fair enough, maybe I am misinterpreting but I would say you come across as a bit too panicked/frightened about this situation, and I know it is scary, but we’re all in it together 👍🏻

Suffering from a chronic illness as I have for a decade, and taking medication which (according to the warning on the front) has a 1 in 100,000 chance of giving me blood cancer, I try and stay as relaxed as possible about this sort of thing. None of us have been given death sentences, huge respect for people living with terminal illnesses - let’s keep it chilled 🤙🏻

@themcnoisy I’ve found your posts interesting honestly. I’ve been getting nice statistics updates from you to cement my informations don understanding from paying attention on my own as well. It’s not that hard to skip over someone’s post if you don’t like the idea. I mean it’s a thread for the Coronavirus, I’m not sure what people expected.
I’m also confused about the agenda thing here.... I say keep on going.
And @kyleforrester, it’s a hard balance. I mean Italy started by saying give hugs to people, now they’ve had to lockdown the country because they can’t handle what’s happened. I’m not saying I 100% agree with @Themcnoisy’s approaches, but his line of thinking was better than people thought it’s all stupid and nothing should be done.

@kyleforrester87 I'm the opposite of frightened. I'm quite happy it's here. Finally something big is happening! Obviously there is an anxiety to the situation, so many unknowns but that keeps it interesting.

That may not necessarily come across when I'm referencing stuff I've found out. Or certain opinions I hold. But it is pretty cool seeing all the institutions closing down.

@themcnoisy Yeah I’m not gonna lie, it’s hella convenient since all my exams are off and I’ve basically just passed this year of uni while barely attending. Cheers coronavirus, until you probably end up killing relatives.

@themcnoisy not sure cool is the right word 😂 fascinating maybe. Anyway, stats are great, but they only make up part of the picture.

@Octane I can tell you right now, being locked down with young kids is hell. Obviously not as much hell as being really ill or being at risk but it is hard. Luckily my wife is a nursery teacher and great at at home activities or else I would have just locked myself in the toiler and cried.

On the bright side, Frozen 2 was released digitally today, so I can look forward to seeing that 14 times a day.

As to the forum, I think the whole point of this is to vent and explain how we are feeling, regardless. This is something no one has been through before - arguably the first instance since 1918 of something so virulent. I find it calming to hear you guys talk sense!

@themcnoisy Well that is how it seems to me. I don't expect everyone to to see it the same way. I wasn't telling you to stop, just asking to reign in a bit.

Stats are well and good, but can only tell so much of the story. Plus they can be twisted to suit a a certion point of view (and I'm not saying you were doing this).

@nessisonett I skipped loads of uni and ended up with a 2:2. You want a better result if you can and knowing you from here, you are first class all the way.

@Jaz007 thanks bro. I will throw up the current stats in a minute!

@Rudy_Manchego How old are your kids Rudy? A good idea is to grab some old wallpaper rolls and make a boardgames on the back with them. Sounds a bit silly, but being a gamer you will have loads of ideas and your kids will love it. It passes 3-4 hours and you could make the next big hit.

Country, Total Cases, Cases today, Deaths, Deaths Today, Recovered, Active Cases, Serious Active Cases.

China 80,866 +22 3,213 +14 67,762 9,891 3,226

I'm not sure what I make of these statistics. Sure the figures have come down in deaths and new cases. However the serious figure has been significant for a long period of time. China believe they have the answers. I'm not so sure. 22 cases, once China reopens for business can soon multiply into another uncontrollable amount.

CLOSED CASES
84,312

Cases which had an outcome:
77,786 (92%)
Recovered / Discharged

6,526 (8%)
Deaths

Shocking at face value. As we have discussed, the real known recovered numbers are at least double. Too many people are asymptomatic. Especially young people under 30.

S. Korea 8,236 +74 75 0 1,137 7,024 59

This is more like it. A death rate slightly north of 1%, contrasted with recovered cases. South Korea has drive through testing stations, these are real figures we can get behind.

@KratosMD As you said it’s young and healthy people, so where have you arrived at the figure of half a million dead?

@KratosMD but that average death rate is based largely on older unhealthy people dying so...