Topic: Corona Virus Panic/Discussion Thread

@Jaz007 yeah I looked at the articles listing reinfection and a variety of strains.

All the cases of reinfection talked about in the articles are too close to original diagnosis to call. 8-10 days or so. Probably got a false negative test, sent home, without being cured at all.

So I don't think you can be reinfected, it's just unfortunate covid 19 comes at you in 2 waves over the course of 10-20 days.

@themcnoisy Okay, that's pretty to know then. That makes it passing a lot easier and better. If it really could infect people it could be like trying to kill a cockroach for a bit.

@Jaz007 I know this seems a little crazy, my stance has changed over the last few days. Our chance at containment has gone, without losing our hard won freedoms to lock downs the best option is herd immunity.

We should have been closing the drawbridge 2 weeks ago, alas the desease is now bubbling under our noses. The next course of action is to house the elderly safely and infect as many young and healthy people as possible. Anyone seen as at risk should be isolated for a month and everyone under 55 and fit goes back to work. There's huge evidence that coronavirus is massively under reported, so much so that only 17% of recognised cases are for people 38 years of age or younger. This doesn't make sense. The average age for the population in all the major effected countries is 38. The figure should be 50% (or thereabouts accounting for a slight variance).

Massive underreporting of the real figures. You can probably double the figures on the stats trackers and it would still be wildly out as healthy 40 or 50 year old may suffer very mild symptoms too.

@themcnoisy containment was never really a valid option, delay so as not to overwhelm the NHS is all we can really try to do, but in the long run it’s better anyone healthy just gets and recovers from this illness. I am not going out of my way to pick it up but I am fully expecting to get it. I understand there is a minor chance things won’t go well for me if I do, but I am not going to spend months/years in a bubble.

Panic buying is disgraceful.

@themcnoisy @kyleforrester87 Surreal times honestly. I'm just sitting at home. Can't do much. Uni is cancelled. Work is suspended. The gym is closed. And all I can do is watch people hoard toilet paper at the supermarkets.

I feel guilty for even buying toilet paper at this point, and mine is seriously running out

@kyleforrester87 containment is always an option. But not if you ferry I'll people around the globe.

@themcnoisy Not realistically in the UK, at the stages the the virus has been at or currently. It needs to be done when the virus is at its peak, which is not now or has been in the UK. Man I wish you'd stop banging this drum, I'm getting a bit fed up it in all honesty.

@themcnoisy even in the unlikely event that you could contain a virus like this (considering the incubation period, low mortality risk combined with economic and social disruption in attempting to do so) all you’d end up with is an island full of people with zero immunity, at least until we’re able to vaccinate, while the rest of the world moved on. And you could very well put all that effort in for a single case to get through anyway, rendering all your efforts useless while still suffering the negative consequences.

@RogerRoger
Nicely done and a good point, well made. A positive way to intervene there.

@RogerRoger Emergency situations bring out everyone's true colors.

@RogerRoger Good on you fella. This, we are all in this together sounds great in soundbytes, I just wished more people actually followed it...

Day 4 of isolation and today was a fairly good day. Cooked a roast. No one poorly except my youngest still having a very snotty nose but she has been playing in the garden all afternoon and seems fine. Yesterday was hell on earth with the kids going absolutely bonkers and driving me mad. Work from home tomorrow.

Seriously don't think I have it so will wait my 7 days out and go back to work on alternate days to keep things moving.

As for the whole herd immunity - so many unknowns, who knows? Immunity might only last a few months as is the case with many viruses. However, it often reduces the seriousness of the symptoms. I am interested to see if this shut down all the other countries are doing works at this stage. I think they will if they are at peak but not if they aren't.

On a personal mission to get my daughters and wife to reduce to one square of TP for a number 1. It is not going anywhere.

@Rudy_Manchego yeah the way it’s going there’s a much higher chance that we all get sent home from work due to no one being able to clean their bottoms versus coronavirus taking hold.

@Rudy_Manchego What's the current status in the UK concerning the lockdown? Everything over here is closed till the 6th, so that's three more weeks to go. Can't imagine having children and being locked up with those little monsters for three weeks straight.

@Octane no lock down in England, they reckon it’s not appropriate at this stage and it’s better to wait until we are closer to peak infection - time will tell I suppose. We do need more ventilators and hospital beds for the worst hit, though.

@RogerRoger no one cares about the retail worker sadly, as far as anyone is concerned all they do is "stock the shelves" and are there to answer their every whim

the negative side effect of "The Customer is always Right" mentality of the the retail sector, they belive that no matter what they are the ones always in the right

i remember a similar thing happening at the store i worked at, a guy had a go at a Young worker because she couldn't find a certain product (we had sold out) and he had such a go he even made her cry, my line leader at the time said we couldn't do anything because he was a customer so i grabbed the customer by the arm and dragged him out the shop

i got suspended without pay but it was worth it

@kyleforrester87 Isn't a lockdown supposed to be a preventative measure, and not a last resort for when the turd hits the fan? IMO, they should've done this here a month ago. Now it's pretty much too late. We've not reached Italy levels quite yet, but taking the incubation period into account, it's only getting worse in the coming week, despite the measures taken.

@Octane yeah well they reckon it could be 10-15 weeks or something before it really takes hold here, and apparently they even want it to spread about a bit amongst healthy people to create some immunity barriers between healthier people and more vulnerable folk.

I think the point is, it’s simply not a preventable issue, so it’s just about controlling the flow of sick people through the system, and they reckon if the peak isn’t for another couple of months society and industry won’t handle a lockdown for that long, and I do agree with that. The hospitality sector alone will be in ruins in less than a month - I already have tenants in that industry calling saying they won’t be able to pay April’s rent as there is no work for them, and we are still pre-lockdown. The travel industry does not seem to be coping any better. This is why the “raise the drawbridge” approach wouldn’t have ever worked IMO, you need to balance the risk the illness represents with crippling society and the economy, and this illness is going to be out there for months if not years.

The current approach does make some sense, it just depends on whether the government are actually correct concerning their timings, and if the herd immunity concept is applicable to this particular illness. However, the way it’s sounding, public pressure might make them cave on their approach sooner than they’d like.

Reality is it’s tough times ahead however you slice it, and things are going to slow down for a while. Looking at the stats doesn’t help, since they are just saying isolate if you think you’re ill and only seek help if you can’t manage. Just stop buying up all the fu*king toilet roll.

@RogerRoger Good on ya buddy, people are doing some crazy things. I still do not quite understand the panic buying over big roll. Food and water, maybe but not toilet roll.

I see some supermarkets are starting putting some limits on how much people can buy for certain products. Hopefully that will calm things down a bit in that respect.

@RogerRoger @Ralizah It's absolutely brought out the worst in people which is quite alarming to see. Some seem to have reverted to primal instincts. Honestly, I'm not sure what's behind the stockpiling of bog roll. Maybe people will build walls out of them under the delusion that it will keep viruses at bay?

Anyways, the shop I normally order my food from has been having problems with their website (an understatement) and app because of a significant surge in traffic. A lot of what I normally order is out of stock so I'm not sure what to do as I can't get to a physical supermarket easily. :-/