@KratosMD I’m not saying no one will die but your suggestion that half a million young/healthy people will die is irrational and not based on any evidence.
I unfortunately do not consider myself completely healthy, so I would prefer not to get it, but I am under no illusions that the majority of the population including myself will get it at some stage.
@RogerRoger That's a nice idea. To my knowledge there's nothing like that here, but people should be looking out for eachother. Stories of supermarket shelves running bare and people hoarding baby formula preventing others from feeding their own infants is disturbing. People are selfish, but it seems there are still good folk who want to help others who need it. Anyhoo for today everything I ordered is there - it's just the stuff it wouldn't let me order because it was out of stock. 🙄
@kyleforrester87 Didn't the PM recently say they expect up to 500,000 people to die?
The British government's strategy has been heavily criticised by the WHO as well as leading doctors and scientists as not being evidence based. A cynical person would say they deliberately want that final nail in the NHS. They are certainly reluctant to spend money. Today it's been revealed that it's expect that all this will last another year - hopefully with a summer lull. Not sure what to think to be honest. People will get fed up and I wouldn't dismiss there being riots over food shortages or even the army being required to help maintain order.
@mookysam Apparently a document says that it's a worst case scenario figure. It's really worrying that we don't have the equipment to look after people who are sickest, apparently we only have 5000 ventilators.
@Octane I dunno, if I could I'd stay at home, I'm only planning on going out to work and the shops for the foreseeable future.
@KratosMD you have to understand that in the UK we are rubbish at everything bar the NHS, which is world class in both experience, quality and heads of department.
We know what coronavirus is now. We have studied it genome and how it operates. We know the people most at risk. We know the likely hood of its spread and speed. The uk has performed simulations and to save both people and the economy we need to go for herd immunity.
Every other country will do this wherever over the next few months or years. We are passed the point of lock downs, they are a plater / bandaid when we need major surgery.
Am I will to be infected. 100% as after recovering I can see my mum carte blanche. I will suffer for a few days but be fine going forward, the facts back that up.
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@KratosMD With total respect I'd wager UK scientists are better informed than you or any of us, we do need to have a bit of faith in the experts with all of this.
@themcnoisy 3.5 and very nearly 8 so there is an age gap.
The oldest has been playing on her 2DS happily and we have done baking and so on. However, that sounds like a great idea actually. Will mention it to my wife as we have some lining paper I'll never use!
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@Kidfried Well, I wouldn't say it's the Pokemon equivalent of Corona. Pokerus makes it easier to train up your Pokemon by doubling certain stats. It doesn't make it where your Pokemon contract a fever and struggle to breathe because it's attacking their lungs.
But, yes, that is a very interesting coincidence.
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@KratosMD@kyleforrester87 The more people contract it, the more it spreads. Herd immunity is only really a viable option when everyone is vaccinated.
Especially consider how, roughly 30% of the time, the virus hides itself in the nervous system and re-infects the circulatory system afterward. And how asymptomatic people keep spreading it without even realizing.
Unless the vulnerable portions of the UK are going to be shipped off to an island somewhere, this "strategy" (and I use that word loosely) is just going to lead to more death more quickly and overwhelm your hospitals. Deliberately making it where millions of people are infected? Italy's situation will look fun in comparison.
I thought U.S. leadership was bad enough (and it's APPALLINGLY bad), but at least our people aren't openly musing about how to help the virus spread.
Speaking of the evil human beings in charge of the U.S. government, I trust everyone has heard about Trump trying to secure a vaccine EXCLUSIVELY for Americans?
@Ralizah I mean, what's the point even? Save one country and have the others, on which you're economically dependent, suffer? Even from an economics perspective it's stupid, unless he's willing to sell it back to other countries and make an extra buck of that. Like those scalpers that hoard amiibo, except it's worse.
@Kidfried Pokérus is brilliant! I only ever encountered it once and that was during Soul Silver. Ampharos randomly caught it which really helped speed up its effort values training.
@Ralizah Saw that earlier. It's a pretty damn horrific thing to try and do. It wouldn't just secure the vaccine for America but prevent other countries from using it unless they licensed it from them. Why does he think American lives are worth more than everyone else's?
@LN78 Would be good eh. At the very least he should go into isolation somewhere very remote. Preferably somewhere with no communications or twitter access. Like the moon.
@Octane That was my thought when I heard this. Trump wants our government to have exclusive control of a vaccine that we can sell to the world at inflated prices. You know how Epipens cost $30 or so to make, but the company producing them charged $600+ for them (a product certain people NEED to keep living comfortably, by the way)? Sort of like that, but now it's a problem the whole world has to deal with.
Maybe you haven't heard of it. You probably live in a country with a functioning health care system that doesn't exist to exploit and destroy the poor and working class.
@LN78 Some 43% of the American public worships Trump and thinks he approaches pretty much every situation wisely. Roll that around in your mouth a bit. We're a fundamentally broken society at this point.
@mookysam What do you think "America First" really means?
Although, judging how his administration handles things, the only Americans whose lives are worth saving are the rich. I'm sure the working poor in this country would get shafted as well.
Not to defend Trump but I suppose from his perspective the priority is American lives. Evil would be to sit on stock piled vaccines while the the rest of the world suffers.
@Ralizah Yeah, I've heard of that. Just had a quick look, and they seem to be around €90 over here. But some insurances cover them as well it seems. But I'm no expert, that's just a quick Google search. Are those Epipens sold by the government, or is it a private company with exclusive rights or something like that? Cause $600 sounds ridiculous.
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