Topic: American Sports

@Pizzamorg Yes, usually a QB injury is the most devastating, except for the ‘QB agnostic’ teams, like you say. And it does highly depend on the quality of the backup. Philadelphia won their Super Bowl with the backup Foles, but that’s going to be the exception rather than the rule.

At some point if the player keeps getting hurt, it might be time to consider moving on from him. I don’t follow the Chargers that closely so I didn’t realize Herbert is that injury prone.

Titans didn't even need a jar of mayonnaise to win vs the Dolphins. It was like the classic offense. Just run on every down, and run some more and kick field goals and eventually they will get bored of you and let you score a few TD's

They should just run the offence that they switched to when Levis is back, tbh. Just let him hand it off until he calms down a bit. Play action will be his friend, and no more shotgun.

To be fair, he can throw it really hard and a nice tight spiral as he picks out defenders, though. So one day, who knows, he may evolve into eggs benedict.

@Malaise I’m with you on Rodgers. At least on his having to tolerate prima Donna-ism vs what he’s going to actually bring to the table. Some players are worth the headache and circus they bring with them, but Rodgers is past his prime and honestly was never worth it, imho.

@Malaise @th3solution any chance of going in to more detail about what happened and is happening at the Jets? It sounds like a lot.

As for the sports with round balls, now the Celtics have banner 18, I think this season they are going to unleash the insane ball movement that was kind of kept secret last year at times. Seen a few hints of it in pre season, and whatever happens this year, if they play the kind of champagne basketball I know they are capable of, it will be something special to watch.

I think I mentioned to you, Sol, last year about watching out for some quick decision touch passes from big P, but we never really got to see that much of it. Hopefully it is a bigger part of the overall play this season. 5 top level stars relaxed and having fun with their talent under a bit less pressure is just a fun thing to watch.

And heads up: Jaylen Brown has bulked up a little, like Tatum did last year (and Brown was fairly built to begin with) and has decided that this year he will also be a playmaker 😅 so add to his scoring, his new found defensive prowess and taking on tough match ups, to thinking more about getting others going, could be yet another season where he steps up in new ways, to little or no acclaim from the league...

@Ravix As far as the Jets, they are just a mess in general. I think the way they handled Saleh was strange. There’s debate about him being escorted out by security, but I don’t doubt it. He was apparently not told he was fired basically a the same time news broke to the press and he was coming in prepared to coach this week. The owner has denied that Rodgers asked for Saleh to be fired, but he said he did talk to Rodgers first before he decided to fire him. I suspect Rodgers asked for him to be sacked because he did that in the past at Green Bay.

So I’m not sure what else is going on over in Jets-land. But my point was that Rodgers has had a lot of controversy surrounding him for a while and it just adds to the circus. He was pretty insensitive to Wilson when he replaced him last year and it came actors as unprofessional in what I saw. A lot of athletes are doofuses and poor teammates, so it’s not unique to him, but he’s also a big conspiracy theorist guy, dabbled in a few controversial social and political issues. Apparently was on a short list to be the running mate for RF Kennedy before he dropped out to throw his support for Trump. And like I say, if the guy was a world-beater still then it would be worth all the chaos he brings, but he is in no position to make demands after a 3 interception game like last week. Pretty sure Wilson never put up a stinker like that. I just think if you’re going to be critical of coaches and other players then you need to produce. Up to this point in his career he mostly has, but I think he’s fairly mid-tier now.

As for the Celtics —
I think Jaylon Brown should be the face of the franchise. Not Tatum. Celtics are going to be pretty awesome this year, but I wouldn’t sleep on the Knicks. KAT could potentially make things difficult in the East.

@Th3solution oh yeah, like I've said a few times, the championship is done so there's no pressure to win another, of course it would be fun to see a dynasty, but that'd just be greedy 😅 so yeah, the East should be a lot better, but these other teams will still have to prove they can do it as a team and in the playoffs, whereas Boston don't need to prove that anymore. There's always potential for superstar bust ups and players not working well together.

In the west how long do you think LeBron will enjoy the company of Reddick in LA? And do you think a "just play my son" conversation will happen sooner or later or will he even be in the squad? This popped into my head because of the Rogers/Jets thing, I don't think LeBron is necessarily like that with coaches... he might be (but it also might be media driven and it just always ends that way where someone has to be thrown under the bus when LeBron doesn't win) but being in LA and being very famous and having his son there is going to be some weird dynamic this year, you'd imagine. Sideshow potential?

"Three preseason games into his Lakers career, Bronny James has the unfortunate distinction of having the worst plus/minus among all 494 players to have logged a minute in the exhibition games"

This little tidbit stood out to me too, as Celtics bench and reserve players had incredibly high plus/minus' for the first few pre season games, that equated to something like outscoring teams by 60 per 100 possessions or something absurd like that. Over 100 assists in the 3 games too. Obviously it's pre season, but it's cool to see every player starting with the right attitude over Boston way.

As for Rogers, he and Kyrie a bit similar, Covid and little toes, something like that? You can just tell looking at Rogers that he is an *****. Was he a flat earther too? I feel like someone was, despite probably owning private Jets and travelling the globe 😂😂

@Ravix Honestly, LeBron came into my mind too in that discussion of superstars dictating administrative decisions. I think he’s still productive and a top player, but that Lakers team has turned into a hot mess since he’s been there. I liked Reddick as an analyst and commentator, but I have no idea if that will translate into being a good coach. It worked out for others who left the booth like Steve Kerr and Rick Carlisle, but I have my doubts about Reddick and although I think LeBron wants to win first and promote his son second, as soon as the Lakers stumble and have a losing record then the pressure will mount.

Not sure if it was Rodgers who is a flat-earther, but I wouldn’t be surprised. 😅

One more three 😭😭😭

The difference in psychology of playing well and making shooting just look easy all game vs trying to specifically hit the 30th three point shot for 8 minutes to break the record is amazing 😅😅 okay, it was the bench players, but Pritchard and Hauser can hit threes with the best of them, and the other players are capable of hitting one, and yet because the record was on the line there were about 3 airballs and a bunch of really short misses haha

Very entertaining opening night, however 😁 and I'd say the passing was noticably crisper and much faster than I think New York expected or could deal with. I do think the Knicks will be a fun rival this year, and I hope the New York folks don't overreact to this spanking, as it is going to be a lot closer later in the season when they've had time to gel.

Oh, and I guess the absolute sideshow is next up, as LA is contractually obliged by the media, I suppose, to play a player who hasn't earned his spot on a team yet, just because it will make for a fun story on the next televised game. Man's son also plays sport (kind of 😛) join us live on TNT.

@Th3solution how are things out West in the NBA? So far all I've picked up is that LeBron is on some kind of heater. Perhaps Bronny being drafted there has given him those Dad super powers 😱

Eastwards, all I can think now is "Man, I love Payton Pritchard 😁 if anyone likes basketball, they gotta like this dude, and should definitely watch his highlights from last night.

I also quite like how Boston seem to be sponsered by "Shaq's Timely Stops" this year. Where in the last two games it got close, until 3/5 minute bursts of insane lock down defence turns those games into wins. Ignoring Dame, last night Giannis was getting everything he wanted and keeping the Bucks in it, looking like the Greek Freak, until he single handedly cost them the game by being absolutely shut down for 5 minutes, including bricking free throws like a true master, at the end of his bad run he pretty much missed the entire rim on his last free throw, as he just crumbled away. A particular highlight was getting rejected by Derick White who built a wall in front of him on the kind of drives to the basket that had been fueling them in the game. Once that element of their play was taken away it was game over, as Lillard padded his free throw stats 🙄

The refs were atrocious both ways too, like monumentally bad. It hurt the Celtics quite a bit until Tatum decided to get a technical and that kind of put them under the spotlight, but wow, just bad officiating all night. When both teams make a challenge within about 5 mins of the game starting you know it's going to be a weird one 😅

@Ravix I think it’s definitely too early to draw any large conclusions, but the West appears to be mostly made up of the same contenders as last season. But there are some big surprises so far — the Lakers, as you noted, and the Phoenix Suns, each led by aging Hall of Famers. But with LD at 36 and LeBron at 39, would you really want to bet that either of them can keep this up all season? I don’t. Especially KD. He’s a member of the commemorative “Get at least one major injury per year” Club along with Porzingis, Kawhi, Anthony Davis, and Zion Williamson. You can’t really count on some of these guys to make it through the year. Safe money is on all those guys to miss substantial time at some point and if the luck is bad, it’ll be at the end of the season when they’re needed the most, which is what typically happens. LeBron has been remarkably healthy for his career, so he might be fine, even at his old age. I look at him and I’m reminded of Karl Malone - a very similar body and stature of player, who was also extremely reliable, healthy, and playing at a high level even into his late 30’s and then at age 40 had a major injury (knee I think it was?) and that was the end.

So I still hold to my preseason predictions, that is — OKC to win the conference, along with Minnesota, Dallas, and Denver to all be in the mix. I think Phoenix and Memphis will be the surprises this season though and could make some noise, along with the Pelicans, Kings, and Rockets.

But OKC is the West’s Celtics. A team built too deep, too young, and yet now playoff seasoned. Also, although they added to the roster, they mostly just enhanced things around the edges and the core is intact and so young that they will no doubt be even better this year. Like the Celtics, have the depth to withstand major injuries, even from the starting lineup, unless SGA misses substantial time. He’s of course the preseason favorite for MVP.

The Timberwolves are like the Knicks, unironically the team that they swapped staters with. They are also very deep, experienced veterans, and top echelon talent-wise but messed with the starting lineup and so there’s a big unknown if Randle will be the All-Star caliber player that will actually gel with Ant and company. Jury is still out.

The Mavericks are like the 76ers. Added a major piece with an older veteran who’s playing at a high level but doesn’t have to be the lead dog anymore. However, whether Klay Thompson can be a Robin to the Luka/Kyrie Batman, like Paul George with Embiid/Maxey, only time will tell. Large upside, but no guarantees they can all play together.

And Denver is probably like Milwaukee — have one of the top 5 players on the planet and are basically asking him to carry the whole team. Although I’m sure Jokic would rather have Lillard than Murray to be his sidekick. Either way, I think Denver unfortunately didn’t make enough moves to stay relevant and I don’t know if Jokic’s brilliance can carry them to the pinnacle again.

@Th3solution Celtics vs OKC then. Talk again in 7 months time 😅

Ah, I'm sure the East will wake up at some point and it will be tougher soon enough, but right now it seems like no one is actually up for the challenge and are sleepwalking into the season.

So far, it feels like we could still challenge and be successful vs anyone in the regular season without, say, Tatum and Porzingis playing at all. Which is a weird place for the league to be at. There's of course a lot of "big two and big three" type teams, but the Celtics are just a big team regardless of who the star each night is. Like how Miami play in the playoffs at times, where the whole team just clicks and gets it done, but all year round.

First game of the year we tie the all time 3's record, fourth game Pritchard levels Eddie House's Celtics record of 3's off the bench. We've outscored teams from three by a ridiculous number, and this year we aren't just jacking them up like 2 years ago, and even last year, at times, it got a bit jack up a three, but this year there's been about 4 bad threes taken, and some of those were just D White heat checks before subbing out 😅 at times they have gone away from the drive and kick, pass up a good shot for a great shot game, but these are quarter based instances, and are being quickly resolved. To be this far advanced in gameplay and execution in a season must be quite daunting for other teams, because they aren't going to suddenly forget what they've learned over the last few seasons with Mazzulla, and he will simply choke them out if they f*** up a couple of games in a row 😅 although I think his angry/dissapointed stare should do the trick before it gets to that.

A lot can go wrong, teams will still beat the Celtics, but man, it's fun to watch a team play like this and be a proper team.

It genuinely throws me when I see teams not make the extra pass or shoot wide open shots now. Hopefully we can kill off "hero ball" in the league.

I feel like Klay at the Mavs is a good fit though, as he is going to be getting wide open shots like the Celtics create, purely by being on the same court as Luka and Kyrie. He could provably just chill all season and get 7 threes a game.

@Ravix Yeah, I don’t think the Celtics have an alpha, that I can tell. To me their MVP is Brown, so would be the most missed, but there’s enough redundancy in the lineup to cover most of his skill set off the bench. Tatum is the face of the franchise but he’s not as consistent in my estimation as Brown is, just on the eyeball test. Tatum’s stats are better but you can’t put a number on Brown’s hustle.

I do have a hard time getting as into it at the early part of the season, especially when so many teams made a lot of player changes. It takes time to click, because yeah, it’s a team sport still. MJ set us back 50 years and made two generations of players want to be the heroes, but there’s too many good players now.

I think we mentioned it last season, but the current closest player with “Jordan-esque” solo dominance is probably Jokic. Also LeBron, but like I say, Father Time will catch him as some point this season. Jokic put Denver on his back and single handedly won them a championship 2 years ago, but he couldn’t get them out of the quarterfinals last year. Same with Giannis when they won their championship. If Jokic goes down, the Nuggets will be lucky to meet even the meager mediocrity that Milwaukee had last year without Giannis.
The best all-around teams are OKC and Boston. And I don’t think it’s really going to be close, but like I say, it’s so early and a lot can happen. Mazzulla might kill off too many of his players with his famous choke hold. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@Th3solution I'm only kinda messing with the Mazzulla stuff, but Celtics pregame live featured an interview he did where he says "I don't get why some sports are allowed to clear the benches, it's not like we have sticks or bats to use as weapons, just a ball, maybe they should let us throw down a little bit" 😭😂😭😂

If you're having a hard time getting into NBA early, just follow the Celtics, and you'll be locked in 💪 I do agree, some teams are a little slow and boring early on, as well as it feeling like they are kind of not playing for much, but if you follow one team it's always going to be more interesting any time of the year, especially if it's an interesting team. There's always stories within the games, the players competing for spots, all that good stuff, and you get to see it advance and take twists and turns through the season

I hope you checked out the game tonight. I'm watching on a slight delay so I can skip timeouts and ads, but the fact this game even went to overtime is nuts. It's the worst the celtics have played all season, down 24, and then they just go to work.

Weirdly, the last few games they've not used Queta at all, and I've kept thinking why not put him in for a few minutes to change up the defence to disrupt and work the glass at both ends (not sure I love Tilman playing too much anyway as hes a bit clumsy or rushed with his hands on rebounds and finishing) but as soon as Queta he got in the game tonight they couldn't attack the rim any more and he was making hustle plays at both ends and Celtics walked down the 24 point deficit.

Looks like Indy are getting the W, but very interesting watch. TJ McConnell is a menace, and Mathurin a star in the making. The rest of the league will have to watch out now we've woken the pacers up again

@Ravix Well, I guess the Celtics aren’t going to go 82-0. You’re going to have to settle for 81-1.😜

I didn’t get to watch the game but just saw the result and the stat sheet. ‘Live by the 3, and die by the 3’, I suppose. Tatum and Brown being a combined 6/29 from beyond the arc is something that just jumps off the page 😬

I can’t figure out the Pacers. If they could be a little more consistent then it would be easier to believe in them, but they always feel to me like a team that’s a good team, not a great one, but has occasional runs of being amazing. They’re one of those teams that will likely improve as the season goes on and if they get hot at the end of the year again like last year then they could be legit contenders.

@Th3solution the funny thing was watching the game that isn't why they lost at all. They absolutely could not finish at the rim. Holiday, Brown, Tatum, Tilman, Kornet, just endless misses from under the basket. Holiday was the most surprising, as he is Mr cool, but they just all seemed weirdly rushed. In the 4th quarter Derick White literally said to Mazzulla "just give me the ball" and he instantly got under the basket, pump faked, stepped through like an old fashioned center and finished, if the team had had the wherewithal to do that a little earlier and settle themselves down it would have been a Celtics win, despite playing a little behind the pace.

To my eye it looked like offensively they were just a tenth of a second out on decision making, it got to a point where they would hitch or take an extra moment on shooting threes for some reason (Pacers do defend the line, but the mini delays helped them to get out when initially it was an open shot, so it was a little bit of good defence, indecisive offense) maybe knowing Pacers would defend the three just put that itch of doubt, but there were still some good looks. And defensively, I don't think we were ready to defend the full 24, when Pacers run and get a quick chance and then get to drive over and over for 24 seconds if they get a rebound, it can be demoralising.

I think overall we needed to face this style though as the openers have been too easy. And our set defence doesn't really have issues, so it will give them something to work on in transition. Last year the transition defence got to be very high level anyway, but it is maybe one of those things that is rusty early in a season.

Pacers probably won't play like that vs everyone, but if they commit to it, that's when they can get dangerous. They were locked in defensively, almost playoff style defence. But again, it was solvable if Celtics had finished on their drives, and played off of two feet in the paint. A simple layup isn't going to cut it when you're surrounded, at least pump fake or head fake a little to have a better chance at a shot 😅

@Ravix Yeah, that’s the danger of just coming to conclusions from the stat sheet. Sometimes you’ll see a player 4/4 from three with 18 points and you might think, “wow, he really played a good efficient game” but in reality the baskets were meaningless superfluous padding and the player with the stat line of: 1/11 from three, 24 points, 11 boards, 5 assists, 0 turnovers, 3 steals and 2 blocks was the the more critical player. Hustle plays don’t translate all the time onto a stat sheet - deflections, alteration of opposing player shots, being a decoy to get another player an open look, etc, etc.

Sometimes it’s all about timeliness of when the player makes a play. If you fill up the stat sheet that’s great and all, but if you clank open shots or free throws in crunch time, or blow a defensive assignment in the last minute, then it’s all for naught. I watched some highlights of some games yesterday and the Mavs / T-wolves Western Conference finals rematch was one to catch my eye and Luka had a very pedestrian game by his standards from a stat perspective, 24-8-8, and 1/8 from three, but that three he did make was in the clutch moments of the closing of the game when Minnesota was just about to come from behind and steal the game at the end and Luka hit the deep three to squash the comeback. He missed the earlier ones but hit it when it was critical.

And that’s where there’s an argument to be made about the “hero ball” where although it’s a team sport, it does come down to one guy needing to make a play at the critical moment, usually the end of the game. It will always come down to that. Sometimes that play will be making a pass to an open teammate, blocking a shot, or getting a steal (like the famous “Bird stole the ball” game, as a Celtics reference) but usually it’s hitting a clutch shot. The great players are defined by being closers — Kobe, Jordan, Steph, Shaq, Wade, etc. There’s lots of good players that just filled a stat sheet but never achieved true greatness because they lacked the killer instinct — Barkley, Ewing, Lillard, Westbrook, Malone, Iverson, etc, etc.

And another thing (while I’m just rambling about basketball theory and pulling things out of my rear) there’s a unquantifiable “chemistry” that great teams (and players) have — you can usually tell, if you watch the games, which teams are clicking together and enjoy one another and have each other’s backs. Then there’s teams and players who just are going through the motions side-by-side. Team culture goes a long way and sometimes one guy can just ruin it. I think it’s why we see young teams full of talent do so well and why OKC is so dangerous. I think those guys enjoy playing together and no one seems to have an ego.

@PorkChopExpress I watched the first part of that game. Boos within 1 Jets play 😂😂 New York is something else, but I don't blame them to be honest.

Horford sat last night for 'old man reasons' giving Kornet the start and Queta big minutes off the bench. It's almost a novelty having a center come in and do things like this 😅 he's going to become a big cult favourite in Boston. I guess Tilman was dropped/benched (whatever the US term is for not playing because the coach thought you were a bit rubbish last time) as I don't believe he got on the court at all last night, and I've already pointed out his clumsiness here.

What do you guys reckon? No technical because the stare down happened whilst he was still riding on the dude from the poster dunk? 😂👀 that's maybe the one thing we got away with

But speaking of technicals and fouls... what does anyone make of the league wide joke that is Grant Williams? 😅 I'm going to guess that's a topic that will be discussed in the US, seeing as the ridiculous foul was on Tatum, his "friend that he will always look out for" 🙄 The Hornets absolutely lost their minds last night. I'm hoping it gets coverage, as it's genuinely interesting to analyse.

First we had Grant truck Tatum for no real reason, he later claimed he was just reaching for the ball and didn't intend to hit him 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀 on the resulting freethrows, after the ejection, Lamelo was half undressing himself as Tatum shot, which just looked like he was done for the night. On the resulting possession from getting the ball back, Tatum took a three, and Lamelo landed under his ankle, which will happen from time to time. But the fact he was on 5 fouls, and showed he was clearly done for the night seconds before makes me ponder if he did it on purpose. Because as soon as he made the foul he was back to getting his shirt off, in exactly the same way as he was during the freethrows. Just looks a little suspicious, but I doubt anyone will notice that and everyone will move on and put it down to just a regular play. They also had another ejection soon after, where I think a player just punched the ball into the crowd, but I didn't catch it on the footage 😅 Charles Lee also had his first ever technical as a coach, but we all like Charles Lee. The pressures of being a head coach must already be telling, though.

Mazzulla also had a technical earlier and looked like he wanted to fight the refs 😂😂😂 I think he's getting wound up by the constant really weird decisions against the Celtics this year, and refs just being consistently wrong with regular calls about who should get possession, goaltending, all the little nuisance stuff that should not require coaches wasting challenges and isn't based on opinion, it's factually wrong decisions they are missing in droves. I mean, in that game they even called Tatum for stepping out of bounds when he was about 3 or 4 inches in bounds 😅 on top of a bunch of other bad decisions, but that's insignificant, it's just a very weird call to make, like a lazy "oh he was probably out as he was driving the baseline... whatever I didnt see it" call. But it all adds up when you're a super OCD coach 😁

I think the most intriguing thing is it's game two Vs Charlotte tonight, so a quick turnaround and lots of stories going in.

@Th3solution I'll tag you in as you will know if any of this got any coverage on the sports networks etc 😛

@Ravix Yeah, usually we’d call it being ‘benched’. You’ll also see ‘DNPCD’ or ‘did not play, coach’s decision’.

But regarding the other happenings you mentioned, I didn’t get a chance to watch any sports news or highlights but the game summary I read did talk about all the ejections and flagrants and I watched the video clips of the Williams foul and the Bridges ejection. I’ve actually seen worse fouls than that not called, to be honest. But yeah, it was an egregious “non-basketball” take down and an appropriate flagrant 2. But it didn’t look like an intent to harm or injure. I’ve seen guys swing closed fists, elbow players in the face, kick or hit another’s crotch (or grab!), etc, etc and get less of a reaction from the refs, sometimes not ever acknowledged at all.

The Bridges ejection seems extreme though. It didn’t look like he was trying to hurt anyone or anything and it was a little outburst of frustration against the ball. A standard technical would suffice. But I guess the refs were trying to gain control of the game so they often start making examples out of players on a team that’s about to blow up.

But yeah, the article I read didn’t talked about that nuance of Lamelo maybe weaponizing his last foul since he was about to sit anyway. So that will probably get swept under the rug.

I’ll be interested to see how the game goes tonight. Players and coaches going against former teams always creates drama. Grant Williams has really been a joke indeed. He seems like a head case, but beyond that, he’s just so overrated in general.

@Th3solution I think it was the blindsided nature of it, plus force and pure blatantness that made it easy for the refs, some of those ones you mention can kind of be exaggerated by slow mo, or be kind of sly and hidden, like a rabbit punch can be concealed at times, and elbow can look bad but be an accident on a pump or ball gather, stuff like that. But Grant Williams, he is one hell of a lump, and definitely decided to body check him from 15 yards away, and Tatum did not see it coming at all. It could have easily made him have a freak landing injury, like on the wrist or something. Or even nastier stuff can happen when it's an unexpected shot to the body.

But from my point of view, the idiot foul is one thing, but it's the fact he is supposed to be still good friends with people on the team, and it's just a sly, dirty thing to do. Like, if you work with someone you like and move jobs, you don't suddenly then see them in the street and decide to steal their wallet 😅 I can't be bothered to make a better analogy, but the change in job shouldn't change how you act towards the people you supposedly trust and respect.

I mean, these are the people that stood up for him in the media when he was doing all his other idiot stuff on teams, too 😅

I think the best summary I saw was people maybe think Grant is acting all buddy buddy, but he is pissed Tatum didn't do something to keep him in Boston. But it might even go deeper, I don't think Deuce, Tatum's son, likes Grant Williams much, as displayed in this awkward clip 👀

Tatum literally has to lead his son away from him. Something ain't right there, Deuce didn't look like he was doing that reaction for giggles 😭😅 take me away from the bad man 👀

The only people that liked Grant Williams were some of the Celtics, and a very small number of the fans, mostly because he did stuff for the community, and had one good game in a game 7, but I'd imagine he has now achieved the 'nobody likes me' status. So if he keeps at it, his career might be done, if there's a lack of people to back him.

I don't imagine Charles Lee was patting him on the back for turning a fairly good game into a sideshow late on, when it was not even entirely over, either 😬

Even Draymond Green thinks he's a tool,.and that's saying something 😂

Will you be watching the "rematch" tonight? I can't imagine the Hornets will have much left after blowing their chance, but you never know, it could boil over into something