@Ravix Then I wish you a bad weather The game is awesome.
As for the other part - I agree. Some games will be trully different. Witcher is awesome. Btw i like the 60fps, as i said, but some times it gets too much and too strange. The problem was that my tv, sony, has some fluidity settings and helps in stutter and judder. So. When the game is trully 60fps this setting makes it kind of strange and must be off. But when there are frame drops or cant hit 60 at all, like test drive, this thing helps a lot. Just saying that for you such thing might overdo it for you. Just sharing experience.
As for what replay again on the pro...maybe Alan Wake 2 i will.
@trev666 see, I don't want to say, you have to go and spend £7-800, and not get much extra that you want, but I'm kind of thinking they only really focused on that because of the figures they got. If 75% of people like that, it makes sense to market it at them fir sales reasons. But honestly, as someone who loves fidelity and immersion more than fps, I genuinely think most devs are going to focus on that aspect, once they have a locked 60 fidelity mode to keep those people happier, until they have to downgrade graphics for performance again in the future.
But with PSSR they should be able to ramp up the graphics a good amount and not have to worry about meeting 60fps anyway, so 30/40fps locked modes will mean they can make the games look more like they want to. If they can make a fidelity mode of TLOU2 run at a perfect 60, think what they can add to third party and first party games in terms of purr graphics. This is my hope, anyway, and I think devs have hinted at it, like Remedy and even digital Foundry have hinted at what they can add.
It is a funny one though, it depends how much you value what you think it might offer, and to me, replacing a near launch edition Ps5 digital that may or may not last 3 or 4 years more, with the newest version is something I'd always look to do anyway, the fact I can get more fidelity out of it, have a good 60fps mode if I feel like it, and be a little more future proofed from games sacrificing even more, then I'm all in, if I can get one 😅
I suppose a good example would be, if you had a PC with a 4070 or similar, and only wanted 30fps. You are going to be able to have graphics settings set higher.
"Cyberpunk 2077 is a very demanding title at Ultra settings even for higher end RTX 40-series cards, and at 1440p with Ray Tracing on, the GeForce RTX™ 4070 posts 33 fps average" so if they aimed for something similar to that, you would definitely get much improved image quality in a lot of games with PSSR keeping the thing working nicely at a locked 30, with lower internal resolution.
@Ravix I know this is an unusually short comment from me in particular but I just felt I should add maybe gta 6 not being 60fps on pro isn’t really a huge deal if it winds up getting a ps6 port. Just my two Pennies.
I honestly don't mind either way, as long as it works at a good fps like all their other games 😅 I never thought, oh RDR2 isn't a great game because it is 30fps. And I'll be playing GTA6 in as good a fidelity mode as possible anyway, even if they somehow randomly made it 60 for no reason 😛
I honeslty don't think Rockstar give a sh** (like a lot of devs) but they have the gusto to just do it without people whining or not buying it on masse haha.
It does seem like a mode they might add in 2030, though.
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@Ravix I’ll play the game either way… as I’ve played all their other games but if it ran at 60 on Pro but 30 on PS5 it’d be the biggest reason yet for me to get the Pro. Driving at 60 is far more of a big deal for me than walking/running/riding at 60… and I’ll be driving a lot.
I never said or implied that GTAVI or any other game let alone a R* game isn’t great for the reason that it’s only 30 fps. Let’s not pretend that 60 isnt a thing though right… y’kno like 75% of players purposely choose a lower resolution to play at 60 over 30.
@colonelkilgore oh, I know, my tone was teasing at most 😛 so no need for any defense.
It very much is a thing, and I will use it when it feels good to me, it's just that more often than not it seems overly smoothed and distracting. Some games it works a dream.
The reason I don't think R* give a shoyyyt is that they make cinematic games, and games heavily influenced by cinema, and unless the 60fps is flawless, it doesn't add a lot to that aspect, the style etc.
In terms of driving I very much agree, I don't think there'd be a way to ever get one aspect of gameplay different to another, but that would help. If I play an F1 game that's in 60 or 120fps, isn't it? And it doesn't make switching to 30fps games seem janky in comparison, yet if fps varies within one games elements it sticks out like a sore thumb (Far Cry 6)
As far as on foot gameplay goes in GTA, that is hardly responsive anyway so there's that, too 😅
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@Ravix they went all out with Red Dead 2 on One X to be fair, when they didn’t have to apply any elbow grease what-so-ever and the game would’ve still sold by the truck loads. But still, I ain’t saying it will (or is even likely to) be 60 on ps5 Pro but… if R* think it’s even remotely possible I think they’ll give it a try.
@Ravix I have to agree with you about ray tracing, and how I really just like it for some reason. Whether it’s the immersion aspect, as you say, or just the subtle beauty and spectacle it can show, I don’t know what it is. When I play a game in fidelity that has RT and then try to switch it over to performance I usually switch it back because it feels ‘flat’, like you worded it.
And again, this coming from someone currently playing (still!) and thoroughly enjoying Dark Souls 2 on my PS5, which has some absolutely horrible lighting. So I’m not a RT snob in the way there’s some 60 fps elitists out there who absolutely feel it a crime to play anything under 60. I don’t think games without RT are bad or unplayable.
There are several games that come to mind for me that had good performance modes but for me felt better in fidelity — the aforementioned FFXVI. Also Guardians of the Galaxy I played about a third of in performance, but ultimately went back to fidelity for the RT and better graphics. Control was a major one for me, with the high quality reflections from all the glass and flooring in the Oldest House, I just loved that visually so much I felt cheated of it when trying to play in performance mode.
The best use of 60 Fps for me has been in older PS4 games that get a 60 fps patch on PS5. It’s a clearly better experience because they don’t add RT or visual fidelity usually, and the boost in performance makes the same graphics look and feel better. So TLoU2 (the original PS4 before the new remake) played much nicer at 60 fps versus when I tried it on my PS4. Same with Mass Effect LE, A Plague Tale Innocence. I think this would have applied to GoW 2018 but I unfortunately played and completed it on PS4 just a few months ahead of procuring a PS5. I hear the same applies to several other PS4 games that got a PS5 patch, which I’ve yet to get to like Days Gone, AC Odyssey, Borderlands 3, etc. where the upgrade to 60 fps has nothing that you have to simultaneously sacrifice graphically. In these instances, I definitely don’t like playing the hamstring 30 fps version, as I’ve tried going back and forth from my PS4 to my PS5 and I have trouble tolerating playing those cross gen games on the older console.
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It really is quite interesting. They have obviously been told to make sure to prioritise 60fps for the release of Pro. But the more you see devs talk, the more they hint that they have a lot more to add in a fidelity mode.
In the DF video alone, it is quite clear they are being told to market it as one thing for previous releases, but you can sense their excitement to make better looking games in the future with the help of PSSR.
Insomniac, for example, describe themselves as a fidelity first developer, but for Pro they focused on getting the locked 60fps in as good a fidelity as possible for launch. But they are already excited about and working on pushing the GPU and RT capabilities further.
Guerilla said that if the Pro had released earlier they might have really pushed the limits of what HFW could have been as a game. I.e 30/40fps but with more fidelity, physics, RT, and all that good stuff without sacrificing a performance mode that still felt next gen.
So it pretty much confirms that even though this is the "60fps console" that should have been, really it's going to be the graphics console soon enough, and by PS6 they will all know the possibilities of what they can achieve with PSSR.
I logged on to Smyths last night and saw that they were in stock there.
Nabbed one right away.
I didn't think I'd be able to order until October because Direct is not available here yet, but I guess regular retailers get them now for countries without Direct?
@Shepherd_Tallon yeeeeah, I think it was announced somewhere that any region that doesn't have direct then certain retail partners will have it early.
It feels like a decent release where everyone who wanted one is able to get one. The original ps5 release left a bad taste in my mouth, but now we can relax knowing we secured it before anything has a chance of going wrong in the supply chain. Now we just have to hope the ship doesn't sink or get stuck sideways, or get taken over by pirates on the way hahaha
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@Bentleyma Nice. What kind of monitor are you going for? I've never gamed on one, but hopefully it will make your new console shine
Also, has anyone got any plans for what games they are going to try out first when the Pro rolls out? What are people most looking forward to?
I'm quite lucky in the fact I've missed out a bunch of Sony exclusives, although they would look great anyway, they will also get the most robust support initially on pro. But there's also some third party titles I'm waiting to see their improvements on pro.
Hogwarts Legacy, TLoU and maybe Horizon FW will be my first downloaded to the pro, I think. But AC Shadows and KCDII should hopefully benefit quite nicely when they come out.
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@Bentleyma ah, I have limited monitor knowledge, but I think that is a 1440p one, so not technically 4K, if that helps. It depends what you want most out of it, I guess. Monitors usually focus on miniscule response times for competitive gaming, so it will have that element, I guess.
You also probably want to look out for something with hdmi 2.1
Hopefully we can summon some people here who have a good knowledge of what monitor to pair with a console
@Ravix For me I'll be saving Dragon Age: Veilguard for Christmas morning. That has some Pro support planned.
Other than that, I had been saving additional playthroughs of the following for 2025, but they all have Pro support too;
Demon's Souls
Forbidden West
Dragon's Dogma II
FF VII Rebirth
Hogwarts Legacy
Stellar Blade (never finished)
All games I wanted to either finish or play again, all with some nice Pro upgrades.
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@Bentleyma I think you definitely still need the hdmi 2.1 even for all of the orignal PS5 features, and definitely the Pro.
If I was wearing my sensible hat, which I don't like to do 😅 I'd honestly recommend sticking with a base PS5 and spending that pro money on upgrading the TV/Monitor instead, for something 1440p/4K, maybe Oled if possible, 120hz is all you will need for framerate, HDMI 2.1 for definite, and all of that will make your base PS5 so much better as it is, and then down the line, get the Pro if you still want to spend more on another upgrade.
Otherwise I'm not sure you are getting your money's worth for the actual Pro upgrade itself. And don't want you to regret the big spend.
@Bentleyma post a quick advice topic and see if others can provide any feedback, because atm all I can think is, yes it will obviously be an upgrade, but I think maybe just upgrading the TV would also do that for you if your current set up is 1080p, anyway.
Un-sensible me just wants to say, go big on the tv/Monitor at the same time as the pro, and just don't look at your bills for a while, maybe just burn the bank statements as they get posted through your door without ever looking at them 😅 but that is very bad advice.
Definitely get feedback from people, I say. I'm genuinely not sure what would be best for you, personally 😭
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@Shepherd_Tallon oh yes, I'm looking forward to those shiny floors in Hogwarts most of all, haha. Even if they won't be PC levels of shiny, it will do for me (hopefully)
I also made another silly decision to upgrade my headphones again, but I don't think it was all that silly now as I'm gifting my other really good pair to someone and I tested them out on Starfield last night and Neon city sounded superb, and that's Starfield, hardly the best made game. But it felt more alive than it ever had done. And Astrobot sounds figuratively INSANE 🫨
As a fellow appreciator of squeezing as much out of console gaming as possible, what do you usually plump for in terms of audio? Headphones, surround sound, tv speakers etc?
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