Topic: PlayStation 5 --OT--

@InvaderJim It’s definitely strange, I’m glad I’m waiting to buy a PS5 to be honest. Feels like there’s loads that Sony will probably patch in but as it stands, there’s a worrying amount that the PS5 just seems to lack or not quite land. I’d never buy an Xbox but looking from an outside perspective, I do think the choice will be harder to make for your average person on the street.

@InvaderJim Having the full features of RDNA 2.0 doesn't mean that Sony hasn't opted for their own proprietary version. We obviously haven't heard that the PS5 supports VRS, Mesh Shading etc - part of the RDNA 2.0 feature set and whilst we know, the PS5 won't support DXR, DX Machine Learning, Direct Storage or Sampler Feedback as those are also part of the Microsoft Direct X12 suite, we don't yet know what Sony themselves implemented. Some features are not important on a console, you don't need the full desktop suite of features so it saves space on the APU to remove those or even replace them with some other custom option.

MS were much later with their APU design as they were waiting for RDNA2.0 but we also know Sony were working with AMD too. Maybe they have something that gives them some advantage bespoke to the console format. You have to remember that MS will want their Console to align well with the PC and to use the same API as PC's because they want their games to run on multiple hardware. Xbox isn't just the console and so may need to align more with PC's where as Sony can be a bit more free to build a custom piece of hardware with their own bespoke feature set.

Sony's Geometry engine maybe bespoke (not RDNA2.0) for example but offer an alternative to some of the RDNA2.0 features and by opting to go that route, its not 'entirely' RDNA2.0 because its got some custom bespoke silicon - not necessarily 'worse' for it either and maybe better. Sony/MS don't go to AMD and pick a CPU and GPU off the shelf and ask AMD to merge the two into one - they will design a chip with a certain number of clusters, features etc to fit their design profile - opting to discard some features that are not needed and add others that they want too.

I still think it will be a few years before we see what these consoles can truly do when devs take full advantage of the features they offer. The vast majority I bet are designed around current feature sets and engines that don't fully work with all the new features.

@InvaderJim @nessisonett The comments about “full RDNA2” are just marketting talk. Sony Doesn’t have full RDNA2 because the customized the chipset. I’ve read speculation that this is just because they were able to drop “dead weight” that Microsoft has to keep in order to keep compatibility with PC’s, because they want PC gaming to be just another way to access the xbox games library.

The power difference seems to be real, though, e.g. Valhalla needing upscaling on ps5 but not XSX allegedly.

TBH I have no idea what the last few posts meant in the main. And I don't really care that much in all honesty.

Most of the negative stuff over the last fews days makes for good headlines, but I don't think there is anything that I've found too alarming or that couldn't be fixed with a future firmware update.

I'm happy with what I've seen of the PS5 so far. Along as the system works, the games are good and they are both an improvement of what currently have then that is good enough for me.

FWIW Digital foundry said they were doing a whole video on that statement about RDNA2.

From GAME UK
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Well that's one more game you can carry your save over now

@BearsEatBeets shame you have to buy another game before you can even buy the upgrade but still, at least its possible now

Surprising answer. Surprised I got an answer.

Edit: source is PS blog: https://blog.playstation.com/2020/11/09/ps5-the-ultimate-faq/...

@JJ2
I need one.. but something tells me these will sell out in under a minute of going on sale.

Hope it is nothing to worry about but a few youtubers have reported that their PS5 review consoles have died on them. Eeek.

@JohnnyShoulder I reckon it’s just the teething problems every console has. You’d like to think they’d have caught any major problems beforehand!

@nessisonett Yeah hopefully, just last minute jitters. I see a there has also been similar issues reported with the series x too.

And this is totally different to the youtuber that did a video on his series x dying, and it turned out MS bricked it cos he broke NDA. 😂

@JohnnyShoulder Oh man, that’s brilliant! He agrees to the terms when he’s given the console but you can just imagine Phil Spencer with his finger hovering over the kill switch 😂😂

Fanboy cheering aside, this is actually really interesting. I’m wondering if the Sony strategy to clear IO roadblocks that Cerny mentioned earlier in the year has helped out, and perhaps also what has been speculated about it being hard to take full advantage of extra CU’s in parallel.

Official - no RT in the game - 4k/30 with a few other improvements or 1440p reconstructed to 4k/60 for performance mode.

Interesting watch....

RT I could care less about. Souls games are always far more fluid and comfortable at 60fps. the existing Dark Souls games and Sekiro getting optimized to be locked at 60fps based on DF's findings also makes me ecstatic

Yeah, I love the impact Ray Tracing has on games but 60FPS is too good to pass on. I hate that these sorts of choices need to be made to be honest, I was looking forward to Ray Tracing more than 4K and would take checkerboarding in games if they included RT. Demon’s Souls honestly wouldn’t really have benefitted as much from RT as much as other games just due to the art direction. I’m not too fussed.

It was about the fact that its been somewhat confusing as far as the messaging has been with Demon Souls and RT. Sony had it listed as having RT and there was some reports saying it did and others saying it didn't - now they have clarified both the resolution in both modes and the fact that RT is not being used here.

It also doesn't take away from the interesting chat in that video...

@BAMozzy It was confirmed last week by David Gavin, the director of Bluepoint Games' remake of Demon's Souls that there was no ray tracing, so there has been no mystery really since then...