@LieutenantFatman The point is that there really shouldn’t be that much information that hasn’t been revealed when you can put down money for the console right now, which many on here have. You should be able to buy the console based on its merits rather than a promise of merits/good rep from the PS4 era.
@nessisonett
Yes, it would be nice to have more information at this point. Although the console selling out of allocated units in such a short time frame suggests that hasn't caused them any major problems so far. I'm happy to wait and see to be honest.
@Kidfried
Yes, very true, people being so overdramatic about such trivial issues can be quite amusing on occasion. But when it's constant, then not so much.
@LieutenantFatman
PushSquare is becoming like IGN with keyboard warriors winding themselves up. It's not safe keeping your cool about gaming consoles. They will come for you haha
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@JJ2
Yes, it does seem to be headed in that direction. We don't have to look far in life to find something to moan about, personally I prefer to focus on the positive. It is a hobby after all.
@nessisonett I agree - we should know by now what the PS5 offers - more than just the games coming up that will be releasing for it. We should know what the user experience is like, what Sony's approach to Backwards Compatibility is etc etc.
@LieutenantFatman I know its sold out - although we don't know how many units that is - just that the demand is higher than the supply of the initial stock. A lot of that is due to faith and the exclusives and regardless of the 'details', they would be buying it anyway because its a Playstation and a lot bought to sell on straight away to make a quick profit.
I doubt any would cancel if they found out that the only advantage to BC for example was loading times because of the faster Data throughput. For example if the PS5 switched half the GPU off and downclocked to 800Mhz to mimic a PS4 or downclocked to 911mhz for Pro enhanced so didn't really get much of a 'boost' (other than a slight boost because of Architecture). Wouldn't cancel if the new UI looks awful etc - not to say any of that is the case - because its still a Playstation, still the only place to play Playstation exclusives and going to play multi-gen and multi-platform releases better than the current Gen allows them too. You aren't going to be playing Assassins Creed at 60fps, not going to be able to play Dirt 5 at 120fps, not going to be playing games like Ratchet & Clank, Godfall or Demon Souls at all and not going to get the Haptic feedback on a DS4 either.
These people will buy a PS5 regardless. Compared to other console releases in recent years and of course what their competition have released by comparison about the hardware, there is a still a LOT that isn't known, a lot of 'secrecy' that leads to speculation and arguments. A lot of Drama because there isn't accurate information being provided by Sony or 3rd Parties with actual hardware to demonstrate the features or backwards compatibility.
Does Sony offer Quick Resume? How fast do games load on BC compared to a PS4 Pro, what gains are there in games, how is the User Interface, can you play cross generation MP - play BC with your friends who won't be upgrading in the first month, will your saves work across ALL BC games, what about upgraded games (important if you are hoping to play games like AC:Valhalla, Cyberpunk etc on PS4 and upgrade later) etc as it seems like the upgraded versions won't transfer save files at all, what, if any, older games will be upgraded and will any be upgraded for free? Will those game saves transfer across - probably not! I could go on and a LOT of these are very important to some who are looking to make a seamless transition from one gen to the next. Want to know how their existing library will work, what gains can be had etc. If you are looking to buy a PS5 later on and looking to buy games that will be upgraded on PS5 but hoping to start them on PS4, you want to know whether that save file will carry over - otherwise is the game worth buying until you get your PS5? Losing 'hours' of progression is disappointing!
I will buy a PS5 regardless too so its not 'that' important - but I still want to know answers to all of those questions and more. I will buy a PS5 because its the ONLY way I can play Sony exclusive games - even if aspects really do disappoint (comparatively) - like no free first party upgrades with Sony opting to sell as 'Remasters' instead for example or very minor gains to BC because its only a very small 'boost' - not transformative. Its not 'disappointing' to be able to play BC games as that's a 'bonus' compared to PS4 or see 'remasters' released - that's pretty much what we have seen this gen - but compared to the competition, its a bit more disappointing...
Like I said, its not going to matter to some as they will buy a PS5 regardless because of the exclusives and/or because its 'their' preferred platform. But to know so little with just over 6weeks to launch (or 7weeks in the UK...), it is 'disappointing' and a bit frustrating too. Compared to the PS4 launch and even the PS4 Pro which wasn't a 'new' generation, we knew more about those than we do about this...
@BAMozzy
All fair points, well made, nothing there I would dispute. Must admit, I hadn't thought on if save files would carry over onto the PS5 from the PS4. That would be a shame if it turns out not to be the case. But just as you say, I will end up purchasing a PS5 regardless for the exlusives.
Many will continue to speculate until the facts are revealed, no doubt.
@STLamy
Don't change on my account, I just felt your posts seemed a little over the top considering the subject, merely an observation. I realise my comments may have come across harsher than intended. If I did cause upset then I do sincerely apologise for that. All the best.
@LieutenantFatman So far, we know that Maneater and Yakuza won't allow you to carry your PS4 save over to the PS5 upgraded version but we don't yet know if that's the norm with Spider-Man: Miles Morales as the exception. Those games, as well as numerous other upgrades will carry their saves over from XB1 to Series X. The 'norm' on Xbox appears to be that all games that will be upgraded, will carry saves over so you can buy games on your XB1 (or via BC) and then carry on from where you left off on Series S/X when you upgrade or a free upgrade comes along.
The speculation and potential anger, disappointment, outrage etc is a result of a lack of information. If Sony had been open on the details, there isn't room to speculate, to argue back and forth, to spread 'miss-information', fake news etc as the information is readily available. Whether people agree with the decisions or not will never stop and no doubt still argue over these - but you won't get people coming out and making statements like Sony's PS4 saves won't work on PS5 for example (as in PS5 'versions' - not PS4 Back Compat versions) and that causing needless concern, anger and/or disappointment.
I don't understand Sony's reluctance to communicate, let people know what they can expect. Its not like the competition hasn't revealed its hand and that, this close to launch, they still don't have answers. From experience we all know things can change from the Day 1 experience with updates, revisions etc. It seems very much like they are not 'confident' in their product, that maybe MS has them really concerned - not saying they are, but it seems that way. We know that Sony's biggest strength this generation has been on Exclusives and that has been the 'focus' of what we know most about on the PS5. Even making out that certain games were 'exclusive' to PS5 when in fact they will also be on PS4 (not that I care less about that at all) and focussing purely on the PS5 'games' you can play on it. BC has almost been a 'tick box' - yes it will play PS4 games - but even that has been a confusing message with fears that maybe 100games would be available at launch with more added as the months go by to ~99% of them of being playable on day 1. No idea what advantages can be expected, whether Sony too will be able to add HDR, upscale or boost frame rates beyond their 'capped' limits to some games like MS will - and I am only referring to games running in Back Compat - not games patched by developers to boost res/frame rates and add HDR support. That's different to the extra power boosting games with unlocked frame rates and Dynamic Resolution so they play at their capped level but we still don't know with just over 6weeks until it launches in a lot of areas...
It just feels like Sony are not being open and honest about their new generation Playstation and as such are either not confident or trying to hide something - and by hide, I mean a 'perceived' weakness compared to its biggest rival. Again, that feeling could easily be sorted by actual information and whether or not you perceive them as weaknesses, bonuses or not important at all to you is individual preference but at least you know what to expect. If those 'free' upgrades mean you lose your PS4 save, at least you know and can make an 'informed' decision as to whether you wait to play until you get your PS5 or not - better than investing hours into a game, only to have to start from scratch again, lose all the loot you had found, all the XP you earned etc without knowing that would happen. As we are in that season when all the 'big' games release, you want to know how transitioning from one to other will be, what will happen with your existing library and any benefits you may get and what happens to your save on those that are upgraded.
I also want to see the new UI, how I can jump straight into my saved point in the campaign or jump straight into a MP lobby without having to load the game, select campaign/MP from a menu screen, select save/MP mode etc as mentioned - so little is known about the actual user experience. All we know is what some games will look like once we are in them and extremely little about the user experience...
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@LieutenantFatman No harm done! I wasn’t trying to cause any drama, I was just dropping some criticism I have against some of Sony’s current communications. When there’s little else to talk about, attention is focused onto the smaller problems. All the best to you too.
In my 30 plus years of gaming ever console generation the crying just gets worse ! I would like to see more or know more ,but I am fine with what I know now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@STLamy
Thanks, appreciated! As both you and @BAMozzy say, hopefully we will see an improvement in communication from them soon. Personally, my bugbear is their poor refund policy. Or lack of one.
But yes, I was planning to trade my PS4 in towards the PS5. So if all saved data is lost I will have to reconsider.
@LieutenantFatman It seems that the only saved data lost would be on games that are upgraded - and if Sony are planning to sell remasters instead, chances are they will have a new set of trophies and saves. If you are planning on playing games that are just on PS5 via Backwards Compatibility, then your PS4 saved data looks like it will carry over.
It really depends on the game(s) and their save state importance to you. At the moment, we have heard nothing about a LOT of Sony's already released first party library at all - if any other than Spider-Man will be 'upgraded' for PS5. Most upcoming new releases that have stated an upgrade will come, haven't commented on the save state but if you are concerned, maybe its better to wait to start those until you get your PS5 - unless you hear otherwise.
It seems that developers have to have a separate version - even if by owning the game, you install the 'right' version to the right console - much like having the PS3 and PS4 version of Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag - even if the only difference is a resolution bump and maybe a tweaked setting or two - something that could be patched in with PS4 to PS4 Pro. MS's will obviously install the Series X version too but it seems the app is seen as the 'same' with the same Save data structure and its own 'high res' textures - like Shadow of War with the high res textures and high res cut scene packs installed for XB1X over the XB1S.
It seems to me, the PS5 is more of a 'next' gen console, that 'clean' break, that can play current Gen where as the Series X is more of an 'iterative' next gen featured console but will have its own software and that's why PS4 to PS5 upgrades are not so easy to implement and carry saves over. Its like the PS5 needs separate versions and the Series X uses the same version BUT with different settings, textures etc.
Again though, it would be great to have clarification and more information rather than speculate. Even if its 'not' what you hoped or what the competition offer, its more important to be honest and upfront so people know exactly what to expect. Regardless of what Microsoft are (or have done), the fact of the matter is that the PS5 plays the preceding generation games, some games will offer a 'free' upgrade rather than sell you the equivalent as a remaster and as such, will have a massive library of games you can play from Day 1 - that is 'more' than the PS4 offered.
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Still mind blown that this is the performance mode 😎
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That game looks incredible. Just a shame I'm horrible at Soulslike games. But, I wanna give Bloodborne another go, as a final chance for me to git gud.
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