Topic: Honkai Star Rail

@Shigurui there is no such thing as ‘losing’ to Bronya. I’d take those losses all day long. Lol. But I know what you mean what you have your heart set on a character it can feel like a crushing blow to lose.

Impossible to have a meta team unless you spend big, or get VERY lucky, you get the characters, light cones and relics you get and have to build around that. To be honest I quite like that, every account is different.

I’ve had mostly good luck wishing. I got Bailu first which was amazing at the time, she carried me through the story. But she’s been phased out / power crept as she doesn’t cleanse debuffs. The change in content has moved her from the strongest healer in the game at launch to one of the least useful in late game which is a little frustrating.

Then I got Seele with minutes to go on her re-run banner and she’s carried my team since. I also got Welt on the Standard banner. Lost the 50:50 on HuoHuo’s banner and got Himeko (probably the character I wanted least) but since then it’s been Silver Wolf and now Ruan Mei.

Happy with all that tbh, you can’t win ‘em all but it can all change so quickly. Bad luck is always around the corner.

I’m due another on the standard banner any moment, (76 pity now). I tried doing the gold, and gears lv2 which gives 2 standard wishes but got owned by the boss, so I’ll have to wait a little longer. Fingers firmly crossed for Bronya but the odds are pretty low at 1 in 14. A good light cone would be a win too. Gerard or Clara wouldn’t be bad. But I’ll probably get Bailu or Himeko Eidolons, in Genshin I have C4 Qiqi. lol

@Shigurui 12 pairs of trash drops? That's rough. Do you still have the Self-modeling resin from the events? I tend to save those for such instances.

@Shigurui oof that’s rough! I’m saving my fuel for TB 65 but expect similar. It’s amazing how quickly it drains

@z0d15g0d I’m keeping my (very limited) self modelling resin until after I have farmed to see what I specifically need. (Probably speed boots, correct dmg type on ornament or energy rope etc.)

@themightyant Just used my last resin to get energy rope for Bronya. Gonna start spamming that ult.

@Shigurui That truly sucks, especially for such a rare item used. Hopefully Hoyo make it more available or add mercy to relic and ornament farming.

Nice! Blade is really good. I don't think I've used Dan Heng since I got him. I hope this isn't a continuous trend throughout the games life cycle. Characters getting power crept and gathering dust.

@Shigurui I guess you're right I'm just butt hurt from all the valuable resources I've used to max out 4 star characters I never use anymore. I got Blade's signature LC the other day. Is his best f2p cone "A secret vow"?

@z0d15g0d @Shigurui There's always going to be SOME powercreep, especially characters that were available day 1. But typically MiHoYo aren't too bad at this. (some games are awful) I look at something like Genshin and Day 1 characters like Bennett, Xingxiu, Xiangling are all still super powered, top of tier lists, despite being 4 star Day 1 characters. Tingyun and Bronya are probably the equivalent here and there's probably someone who will grow with other characters.

DPS are usually powercrept more easily, we've already seen Seele be jumped significantly by DHIL and then Jingliu and even Argenti in some situations e.g. multi-target. Even Dr Ratio looks like he might be able to put out higher numbers than Seele in a single hit. Though of course that doesn't tell the full story, a large part of Seele's kit is trying to finish an enemy off and get a second hit which also helps to refill her Energy for another Ultimate sooner. In the right content she might get 1-3+ hits off to another characters one. Personally I suspect Seele will always be a decent DPS just not at the absolute top tier, but in content when she is unable to finish off weaker enemies in one hit she loses a lot of her usefulness.

Dan Heng and similar characters will probably be left in the dust and almost unusable in things like MoC where getting big numbers quickly is the priority. But that's only one type of content, he'll probably be fine in the main game just not end-game. The trouble is resources are so stingy.

I ALREADY slightly regret increasing Dan Heng (not IL version) to Lv 70 to be honest, pushing up his traces and using up all those resources. But i'm slightly split as he was my first main DPS until I got Seele near the end of the second world. I think to around Lv 50ish but I upgraded him hoping he would help in MoC, but hasn't really. I think I would have been better waiting for a second top tier DPS and not upgrading him more. But live and learn, as we discussed before there are always going to be 'mistakes', part of the process.

@Shigurui You're right. I haven't used DH in so long I forgot he pretty much got me through the early game. I'd still like the option to reassign mats though. Lol totally forgot about "Butter Vision".

Vow seems to be better than the 5* Herta store destruction cone for Blade. Even though it's got Arlans face on it. I think using Arlan is the only time I lost a character trial mission. He got relegated to the "Never Again" pile after that.

@themightyant DHIL has been amazing so far, just waiting on his rerun so I can get his LC. His SP hunger knows no bounds though. That Bronya E1 would have been great.

I think Dr ratio will work great with Pela and SilverWolf as the chance for him to launch a follow up scales with the amount of debuffs on the enemy. There's also a chance this might get nerfed when he launches though. During the story he launched follow ups after every attack as I had SW on the team. His Ult is super weird though as it's single target. Even if there are other enemies in it's path they just disappear.
Seele seems to do really well in G&G if you have the right setup of curios and blessings. I tried doing Hunt and focused entirely on increasing speed. At some point the game started to glitch out as Bronya's speed was faster than the speed she gives with her skill so she was acting twice in a row. And it ended up doubling Seele so she could act 4 times in a row if she killed an enemy. I was so confused at one point I had to pause and figure out what the heck was going on lol.

I regret not getting Jingliu. I thought my Yanqing would be good enough as he is E3 but 1 tap and all his buffs are gone. Like you said "Live and Learn" lol

@z0d15g0d I REALLY wanted DHIL the most for a long while as he was my first DPS and that moment in the story was amazing! It's one of the things I really like about HSR so far that characters can kinda evolve like Pokemon, even if they are almost separate characters, It helps the narrative and stops older characters being entirely forgotten. (Aside I wonder what March 7th will become, and if they will stop there and if the Trailblazers will keep resonating with each Aeon/Path) But DHIL's skill point usage is a bit of a dampner, it limits the teams he can be in and means his actual DPS is not as high as it is on paper, unless you have the perfect team/situation to always keep him fueled.

That's why I want Jingliu more. She's more flexible in more teams and situations and that will likely apply to new characters too.

I assume as you are going for signature lightcones you buy some gem packs right?

G&G is kicking my ass. I have done all three tiers of the first level twice, but it ramps up in difficulty at the bosses, and I've tried 3 times to do the second level but I just can't beat the final boss. I can't kill them quick enough and they keep levelling up until they can one shot me. I think my levels are still underpowered, or at least that is what it keeps telling me. More waiting...

Edit: "I had to pause and figure out what the heck was going on lol." I kinda love that in Simulated Universe. But then I get a bit annoyed that it's a rogue like and I'm not actually that powerful, it's only temporary

@themightyant Yea I'm fully expecting evil March 7th banner once she gets her memories back. How OP do you have to be to survive floating in a block of 6 phased ice(which no one could break if I recall it melted on it's own) in space? I've also heard a rumor that the TB is going to get every class and the next is Harmony (not sure if it's from an authentic source but we will see).

It might be a while till Jingliu gets her rerun but we can only wait.
No, not giving them any more of my hard earned cash. I only buy the BP and express pass. I'm skipping Ruan Mei cause I wanted Blade's LC. Can only do 1 at a time which is why this multiple banner system sucks. At the start it was just 1 now they're making it difficult not to spend. If Luocha's rerun happens with an awesome new character then I'm screwed and they win lol. I intend to play this game long term so It'll ease my ego a bit since the base game is free.

I did not realise the G&G bosses damage scaled each turn, makes sense now why my team keeps dying. And the ridiculous dice seem to be more of a nuisance than in Swarm Disaster. I'm going through all of them on lv2 just so I can get the free gems rewards lol. It was great when they increased the TBP limit from 180 to 240 but that's still not enough. They should remove it for some events or reduce it's cost.

Lol yea my Jingyuan with elation blessings is insanely powerful in SU a few times I've forgotten this and had to check his skills and relics thinking I messed something up.

How do I put spoiler tags on here? Just in case.

@z0d15g0d The multiple banners is to catch up with reruns which is AMAZING for anyone who only started on 1.4/PS5 but I can see how it can be frustrating for anyone that was there Day 1 on PC/Mobile.

[ spoiler]spoilers can be done like this[ /spoiler]

Just remove the space before the opening and close bracket

Thanks a lot . Do f2p players appreciate having 2 character banners at once? would be heavy on the stellar jade wallet.

@z0d15g0d I kinda prefer it to be honest. I have to pick and choose carefully who I am (hopefully) getting anyway, so I don’t pull on most banners.

But It’s going to be a busy few banners as they will likely be re-running Jing Yuan, Luocha, DHIL, FuXuan and Jingliu over 2.0, 2.1 and 2.2 (maybe even 2.3 too) and that’s before the new Penacony characters. Just can’t afford most of those back to back on battle pass and possibly daily jade pack, especially if you lose the 50:50. Luck needed and some early ones!

I assume it’s like Genshin where it’s been concluded that the first 20 wishes you have slightly higher odds to get a 5-star character early then lower odds to 75 (soft pity) and then they rapidly increase until it’s guaranteed by wish 90 but most likely around 75-80. That’s been my experience so far (except no earlies yet).

2.3 will also take us to the anniversary where they should hand out some good stuff too.

At the moment I’m saving until 2.0 at least so hopefully should be able to secure someone then. Gacha gods willing. Free Dr Ratio in the meantime.

@themightyant Lol yea i've been playing long enough that it's always on 90 pulls now so I dread 50/50. 0 mercy on my account. I've pulled Welts LC 3 times now but still don't have Welt and from all the guides I've looked through it seems to be the best LC for him only so that sucks majorly. Bronya and Tingyun are good enough for harmony and Luocha for abundance so if any new characters are for those roles I'll just skip them if the rerun banner is for a character or LC I want.

Hell yes to free Dr Ratio (LC be free too please no one seems to know if it will be)and looks like Lynx will be free for completing Pure fiction stage 2 so that should get mine to E6 even though she's still lv20. 3 days till fiction launches.
I think I will start cursing the gacha gods as praying doesn't seem to work. They're technically evil so spite might bring me good fortune instead lol.
I've also heard that Black Swan is going to be the first character with 2 elements. Have you heard of this?

@Shigurui I started Pure Fiction and did enough to get through the first 2 levels to claim my Lynx Eidolon. (I actually thought it was E4 for the ATK boost, but sadly not, just E3 for now, basically more heals)

I only got 2 stars and realised, like most end-game content, I currently still don't have two strong enough whole teams for it, or enough variety in DPS. Thankfully the rewards run for another 6 weeks before resetting (with the stages changing after 3) so hopefully by then I should have built at least Ruan Mei and Dr Ratio, as well as perhaps some other characters. I'll try again later when i'm better equipped.

I also got to Lv 30 on the Battle Pass got my 2 free standard banner wishes but still didn't get a 5 star (78 pity now) gotta be soon, right? please be Bronya, please be Bronya... I'll probably get E1 Himeko or Bailu. lol

Haven't decided which lightcone to get. Probably Superimposition for Tingyun (Carve the Moon, Weave the Clouds), but will probably wait to see what 5 star I get before committing. Which Battle pass cones have you guys gone for?

I'm more eager for Planar Fissure which starts on Wednesday and means double rewards for the Planar Ornaments in the Simulated Universe.

As usual it just seems like more endless waiting!

EDIT: Did you complete all levels of Pure Fiction? How many stars did you get with that team?

@Shigurui I currently have Shared Feeling on Lynx in part because I have it S3. (Increases outgoing healing 15% and generates 3 Energy for ALL allies when using skill)

But really I use this LC specifically as I was often a little short on getting Seele’s Ultimate back up and either needed to be hit, or find another way to get energy to get her Ult up a turn faster. It’s still not always enough, but it helps. As does Tingyun’s battle pass light cone (Carve the Moon…) where one of the three random buffs you get is +7.5 Energy Regen Rate (with S2). But again it’s not quite guaranteed. Regardless I felt for MY account this was more important than losing a little healing, which is rarely an issue. When I die it’s unlikely to change with a few percent more healing.

All the online resources are just guides, all our accounts are different, and trying to find what works in YOUR specific circumstances is part of the fun/challenge.

Hey Over Here looks pretty good on her to me. (12% HP and 28% outgoing healing for 2 turns after skill sounds good) I can’t see why it wouldn’t work on her. I think I used to use it before my specific needs.

I suspect as this light cone was added in recent event they haven’t gone through and done all the calculations and updated the guides. This is a frequent problem in all these games. Often using YouTube and searching for the light cone specifically you will find a video saying who it’s good with but I couldn’t find one for this one.

I finally got my next standard banner 5 star after 79 wishes I got… drumroll…

Sleep Like The Dead (Hunt) Light cone
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Ok so it’s not Bronya, but the odds of that were always unlikely.

I feel a bit mixed, I did want a new character really, but would prefer this to Himeko or Bailu’s eidolons etc.

And of the light cones on offer it’s 100% the one I would have picked as it’s going to be a perfect fit for Dr Ratio. Looks like it will be his best lightcone except for signature weapons.... or situationally better for Seele.

Ultimately could have been a bit better, but could have been a LOT worse. I’m content.

Hoping the next one isn’t 75+ again though, as that will likely be a few months away! Give me an early one plz! lol. And now up to 155 wishes. Probably 6ish months away from Bronya guaranteed. The wait continues.