I got a cape that turns me invisible after killing 😁 Capes are a necessity in terms of style, for me, and to have a very Dark Urge specific bonus is the cherry on top. And because I'm a drow I can also tell Goblins to 'do one' as I explore guarded areas. Which means acquiring le evil looking book was very easy. And as I have free run on this area I can also pick off any Goblins I fancy taking out for that extra XP without upsetting the whole area.
At the moment I'm basically just exploring the world to find cool gear for each party member, and as I have no idea where any gear of worth is, I get to explore blind as if it's the first time again. Even if I know the general theme of the area in terms of enemies, friends, encounters etc.
Shadowheart now has a cool purple spear (with a sick per turn bonus attack!?!?!) LZ has had her fire sword for ages, but now has a helm of momentum. I've got some gloves that build up lightning charges, which is good for the fist based monk attacks, and another pair that takes my unarmoured AC to 18, which is higher than every armoured member of the party so far (Karlach can probably have those though) And I finally found some actual decent robes/clothes so I don't have to walk around in Shadowhearts underwear 😂
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Look, guys. I'm not evil. I'm really not. I just had a bit of a makeover, read a scary book and adopted a friendly new pet.
I didn’t get to play as much last week as I hoped, but I’ve sunk another 5-ish hours into Faerun, and am still enjoying it.
I’m trying not to get frustrated though, as I have a lot of quests opened up at this point and this is where sometimes open world games get overwhelming for me. I’m a little bit of a completionist so a game like this requires that I just let things go otherwise I will drive myself crazy. I should be okay, because the last two games I played were open world with a ton of side missions and I was able to focus on doing main quests and just a few of the side activities that interested me to avoid getting bogged down.
BG3 is a special scenario though. The ‘side content’ is more veiled as main content. And the exploration into side areas of the map has proven important to pick up good loot and finding companions (the latest addition being Scratch).
Very mild early game spoilers:
I simply can’t decide who to side with yet at the Grove, after doing a number of activities like saving the little tyke from Harpies, getting out of prison after another little Tyke ratted me out, and helping a musician complete her epic ode to her teacher. My gut was to side with the Tiefling refugees but after the little brat turned me in and they unjustly carted me off to prison simply for scolding them about pickpocketing, I now am a little bitter and not sure I want to help them. Part of me wants to just abandon the whole conflict and move on. I’m not sure.
Edit: After thinking on it a little more, my annoyance of the whole situation might be due to the imprisonment scenario seemingly being a binary decision point which I would have expected to be a little more “fair.” Here I had saved two little Tiefling kids, one from Harpies, one from the Druid leader who caught her stealing the artifact (I was able to negotiate her being let free), and also had given an inspirational speech to the kids in training that they all smiled about… and yet simply because I didn’t allow the one kid to steal from me, Mol stabbed me in the back. The other kids were all singing my praises, especially the boy I saved from Harpies who was the one told me to seek out Mol because she’d be happy I helped. But instead, one decision to not allow the pickpocketer to make off with their petty crime made Mol so upset with me that she backstabbed me. And then the Tieflings didn’t even allow me to defend myself through due process and were ready to let me rot in prison! After all I did for them in fighting the goblins, helping them out and this is the thanks I get! It doesn’t seem fair or balanced, and seemingly the game just has this consequence based on just one interaction. And I didn’t even touch the kid pickpocketing, mind. Just didn’t let them get away with their ruse
I decided to take a detour for a while and follow Wyll’s quest for Karloch, but in the process now I’ve ended up in a cellar basement and in a mortal conflict with phase shifting spiders who are eating my lunch. I was able to best the first group but I’ve tried to get past the second group deeper in the cave and my party has been obliterated 3 times, even with trying different tactics, so I think I’m simply too underleveled to be here.
Its the first time I feel like I wasted time, because after an hour or two exploring that area, only to find out I’m not really prepared to be here, I’m going to have to back up and spend time figuring out where I’m “supposed to” be.
I’ve got several quests open, a few of which say they are the way to find healers for my tadpole, and I’m not sure whether to abandon the exploration, try to get to the next main quest marked, or continue to faff about following every little side path. I wanted to find Karloch but I ended up in a bad way with that cave (although there was decent loot along the way; I’m flush with potions for once).
So, I guess it’s that feeling of making progress that I’m missing. I suspect this is all part of the intended process in a game like this, so I’m trying to not get distressed.
@Th3solution explore everywhere, but turn round if you get stuck, you can go back to it later when you are stronger and more adept.
I'd also suggest that those spiders and Karlach are in no way related or near to each other and you may have taken a wrong turn 😂 what was your original intention with going that way? I know what mine was, as I did that bit recently, but it was definitely not for Karlach. It was also still a struggle for me, and I knew my tactic going in was strong, so it is definitely more favourable to do that cave when you're stronger. So I wouldn't worry about not being able to do it 🫡
I'd also hint that you don't have to rush to conclude any conflict, you can leave it at the state it is, explore more and maybe gather more information and ways to solve it by doing so. And I don't remember feeling the need to pick a side, as such. But I suppose you can pick a side, try to help both, or simply screw both, as is the nature of the RPG, it's up to you, and the game will probably respond to your choices. There's no rush if you don't feel comfortable with picking though, just make sure you talk to everyone that is involved and find out as much as you can.
It's very much much a game where you keep quests open until you feel you know you can conclude them, or advance them sufficiently.
The best thing might be to ignore that cave for now, see what else happens in the local area in the village or to the north or south of it, have some chats, fights, camp and long rest a few times, talk to companions etc and if you're looking for Karlach, focus on going above ground 😛
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sounds like Mol has more influence with her own kind, that have their own laws and traditions 😉 the refugees that are probably in a "stick together for survival" kind of mindframe, too. And remember, not all characters are going to like you for being a goody two-shoes, and if you stepped on her toes then maybe she is the kind of person that enjoys sweet revenge, no matter how seemingly insignificant the reason. But it seems you have learned a valuable lesson, despite almost, very, very nearly falling into the age-old trap of blaming one person's actions on the entire race 😬😬😬
@Ravix As far as Karloch, I was simply heading in the rough direction of the map marker and ended up in the village. I have no idea if it’s necessary to be there, or even if it’s the right way, but I spent another couple hours trying to get to the map marker from a direct southern approach and ended up in an Owlbear nest and what looked to be a dead end, so I explored around and ended up at the village.
The reason I went down the underground caves was just simply curiosity, and one little peek down the well and into the cellar, and I just followed my nose because the further I went the more I was tempted by loot along the way. 😅. Since I hadn’t really struggled in any battles yet, I assumed I was okay but definitely there’s a hard progress checkpoint there with those teleporting endlessly replicating spiders!
On a side note, I have figured out the party splitting function, so thanks for that advice — it really helped against the harpies. After one failed attempt, I was able to leave some ranged fighters out of the water and pick off a few of them while two other party members dealt with them in the disadvantageous water.
Regarding the spoiler tagged issue:
I don’t necessarily hold it against Mol, as she’s just a kid and has no mature concept of fairness or due process, but rather the adults who unceremoniously locked me up. They being the leaders of this race/group does lend me to make the whole group accountable for their actions. I still enjoyed my interactions with the musician and other Tieflings, but whatever organizational structure that the group has deserves some intense scrutiny. I need to have a word with Zevlor about this. He needs to get control of his people if he wants me to help him. 😂
The Druid leader Kagha is even more of a loose cannon, so I still am leaning towards siding with the refugees, but I think I’m going to try to find Karloch and this Halsin character first and then decide from there. I was worried there was a time limit and that if I don’t hurry then the ritual will be complete and the whole grove closed off forever and I’ll lose opportunity to make allies of either group. But it sounds like maybe the ritual will not be completed unless I commit to escorting the refugees out of the grove? I have no idea how long it will take to get to Karloch and Halsin. I guess first I need to stop exploring down dark wells! 😆
WELL. I have nearly finished Baldur's Gate 3. I've got one main quest to do and then I'm into the endgame so that's nice. So I guess I'll finish it tonight.
What I really need now is a game that is kinda like Baldur's Gate 3 but not Baldur's Gate 3 because I don't know what to play next. I don't know what it will be. I just want to play a fantasy game where I get to make my own person and go on an adventure.
@Th3solution yeah, the game will funnel you the right way eventually but pretty much everything is explorable in any order. Even though I know where it is, I still couldn't find a slecific short cut I knew about that I only found after the long way to Karlach the first time, so I did the long way again and then saw little Scratch over the way, and facepalmed as I realised the shortcut was there all along. But, tbf, the regular route is interesting and full of... flavour, and it reminded me how much more stuff there is to do and see 😅
But sometimes there are far off quest markers (this will become a theme) that you have to accept you will probably get to eventually as it isn't immediately obvious where to go, how to get there, when or even if you can get there without a bunch of other stuff distracting you first (in a good way), and you will learn to trust how it works.
If you're at the village and decide to stop trying to get those spiders, there will be plenty of interesting content to find as you make your way through and head in the general northerly orientation before going back towards the marker you seek.
But I expect next game session you can relax a little more and let the ride recapture you as you get back into the flow. Never stop exploring, just remember to keep your eyes and ears open and that it's okay to turn back. Read all the text you find and talk to the people you meet in and aroud quest areas, you never know what you might learn. And check that journal if its been a while to refresh what you're doing and what parts affect other quests, it usually has some nice explanations in there tracking what you're doing.
It's a very open game though, so apart from labelled points of no return, or difficulty barriers, you can take your time doing whatever you like, and what you like doing might affect other things in the world, it might not. It'll be fun to read how things turn out in your game
@johncalmc “Kinda like Baldur’s Gate 3 but not Baldur’s Gate 3…” Although I’ve not played it, I have heard enough to know that Larian’s other games the Divinity Original Sin (especially 2) are games that are supposed to be similar to BG3.
“I just want to play a fantasy game where I get to make my own person and go on an adventure.”
The Dragon Age games come to mind, and the Dragon’s Dogma games. Character creator suite + fantasy adventure. Of course there’s Oblivion if you haven’t got to that yet, if you can tolerate the jank. Elden Ring, likely you’ve done that. For a less popular option, have you played Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning? It might disappoint when played right after BG3 but it’s not half bad. It’s action rpg though, but open world make your own character, etc.
“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.”
@Th3solution These are all good recommendations but I've played them all sadly. I'm pretty sure I reviewed Divinity. So after some extensive Googling I think what I need to do is embrace some lesser known, lower budget, and infinitely more nerdy games. I'm going to try out some random D&D style RPGs and see what's what, even though I'm not really into the real time combat thing most of them have, and I'm not into Baldur's Gate 3 for combat at all - I'm into it because the world, story, characters, etc.
@johncalmc Depleted options is one of the misfortunes of being such a prolific gamer!
Good luck in your search. There’s bound to be some hidden gems out there. 😄
“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.”
@CJD87 I haven't but I did look at it. Seems like people like it. Not sure if it's the right vibe I'm looking for, but I added it to my wishlist so I can remember it one day and give it a go.
@CJD87 Anything. It's the vibes, not the gameplay style that bothers me. All that's important is fantasy, big quest, friends, and making my own character if possible. I've played Expedition 33 and it is most certainly a banger so another one of those would be delightful.
I think I just play too many games. I've played so many. I always just hope I'm going to discover a gem, rather than just playing the witcher again.
@CJD87 I've played Kingdom Come 1 so I will probably play 2 at some point. Always kinda been interested in Citizen Sleeper but haven't played it. I don't even really know how it plays. Maybe I should look it up.
@johncalmc have you played Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous? That's one I've had installed on my console for ages and never played. Looks quite BG3-ish
If you have played it, let us know how it is, as it might be one I decide to start soon, now 🤔
@Th3solution how's the BG3 run going, Sol? I've parked my Durge run temporarily, but I know I can pick it up any time now I'm so familiar with the game itself. I was a little upset that I unlocked the cool thing seen in the pictures above, and then I realised I let it 'die' before doing something I should have done to be able to keep it around 🤦♂️ and I played a bunch between it happening and realising. Classic rookie rpg mistake from me haha.
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I've played Wrath of The Righteous @Ravix and it's a lot more mechanically complex then BGIII but it's a great game. Well written with a lot of fun options you can take. You can be a lot more neutral, morally grey or flat out evil.
Buggy though and obviously the presentation is nowhere near as good as BGIII or even Divinity Original Sin II imo (Haven't really seen the PS5 version of WotR though)
Do NOT play the previous game Kingmaker. That's a complete disaster of a port on PS4 and the physical copy is completely broken. Something about the previous publisher holding the rights and not allowing them to patch it. Which is a shame as it WAS good story wise.
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