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colonelkilgore

The reason I write this is that I was just reading through a comments section and a fair few posters were expressing how they are considering ‘going green’. There’s obviously been a ‘swing’ in public perception lately, with the media and ‘soft-core’ gamers in particular extolling the virtues of Microsoft over the apparent arrogance of Sony. Now I somewhat understand ‘bits and pieces’ of what is moving the needle, I for one though still see nothing that would want me to change platform. Yes MLB: The Show and Outriders went to Gamepass day one but that (currently at least) just covers the cracks of there being no decent exclusives over there. And even when they do start to release the Bethesda output, Perfect Dark, Gears, Forza & Halo et al... I personally am still far more excited for the new Horizon, God of War, Ghost of etc.

I’m not saying Sony are without fault, closing down Japan Studio, not green lighting Days Gone 2 and seemingly revolving their whole First Party around Naughty Dog does concern me but right now I still see the quality experience being on PlayStation. I did go green during the PS3/360 era (still had a PS3 too of course) the sway of Mass Effect and Bioshock swung me prior to them eventually becoming multi-plats... but I certainly ain’t feeling that way ‘yet’.

I’d be interested to see how other poster’s feel.

Edited on by colonelkilgore

I ain’t ever met a souls-like I didn’t like!

jdv95

there's for sure some weird stuff going on with sony.

remaking TLOU is just pointless waste of recources. it seems that they wanted a TLOU and uncharted game to release close to their respective tv debuts which would mean those games would be rushed to hell and not be of the sony quality we know them for. so i hope that uncharted game is canceled tbh.

to be very honest i do blame jim ryan for this shift in practices at sony. i don't believe shawn would give ps4 exclusives to pc even years after release,and try and make every big gaming IP into a show or movie. (exept uncharted) i can see why he left if this was planned while he was still there. shawn was also a gamer,jim is just a bussiness man.

do i lose faith in sony? not realy.
while i don't like some of their direction now,it would be stupid of me to give up GOW and the SP games they provide me in favour of the yet to be proven alternative.

what i will most likely do is get an xbox for the elder scrolls to go alonside the ps5 but for now playstation is still l my priority system.

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jdv95

LordSteev

@colonelkilgore

For me, it's not so much changing a platform as it is going multi-platform. As a long time Bethesdaite, I don't feel I really have a choice. The thing I have a hard time understanding is why people are so loyal to corporations whose only interest in them is their money.

I'll go where the games I want to play are. I game enough that I look at something like GamePass not as a way to play free games, but to demo games I might be interested in and cull out the ones that don't resonate with me. If I like a game, I'll buy it. With as many as I buy and end up not finishing due to losing interest, I think even with the subscription fee I'll end up saving money.

And I'll keep my ps plus, or whatever it morphs into, just for the Sony exclusives. Right now, I can't buy a PS5 or a new X-Box. They're just not available in stores yet. Whichever company gets their manufacturing up to snuff first will be the first console I buy, yet I plan to get both as soon as I can. Every man should have a good hobby he can throw himself into. Mine's gaming, and I'm not going to short myself by pledging allegiance to a single company.

LordSteev

colonelkilgore

@LordSteev yeah, I wasn’t implying that I have ‘pledged allegiance’ anywhere... I even recounted my experience of doing just the same as what you’re suggesting during the PS3/360 era ie I went where the games were which I wanted to play.

What my post was more about (to me anyway, might not have read that way) is that right now, for whatever reason... the general perceptions are that MS is the media darling and Sony are the arrogant elite. I personally don’t see it that way and just feel that the general population can be very easily ‘steered’ in their thinking.

Edited on by colonelkilgore

I ain’t ever met a souls-like I didn’t like!

LordSteev

@colonelkilgore Hey, I didn't mean to imply that you were implying! Just throwing my thoughts out there. And you're right, most people are sheeple. That said, trying to look at things objectively, I like the (current) direction Microsoft is taking a little better than what Sony is doing. That could change next week though, you know how it is.

LordSteev

colonelkilgore

@LordSteev fair, I suppose my current viewpoint is formed from having thoroughly enjoyed the Sony First Party output during PS4 (some of my all-time favourite games) together with the fact that I genuinely like to own my games. I still don’t really even like buying digital if I can avoid it... I like to own a physical copy of my stuff (it really helps if services get closed or if licenses aren’t renewed etc.).

Also, a number of my colleagues are Xbox owners and buying a game no longer even occurs to them. I’ve lost count of the times that they’ve asked me for a suggestion of something good to play and they come back to me with “ah gutting... it ain’t on Gamepass”. There is nothing to stop them buying and then playing these games but as they aren’t on Gamepass it’s like an invisible block.

I have little doubt that Gamepass will ultimately take over gaming... MS just has so much riding on it (& such deep pockets) that the service will eventually draw in the masses. Thing is, once it outright dominates gaming MS will no longer have to make it as great a deal as it will be deemed as en essential monthly expenditure by gamers... and then I do believe gaming will decline as a result.

I ain’t ever met a souls-like I didn’t like!

TrueAssassin86x

Only sheeple and trolls change sides every generation. As me i just sit back and laugh as i game on the big 3. I've always had all the major consoles as long as it not gimmicky see Wii and Wii U. Seems like this generation for me will Everything on Xbox 1 -> Series X when i can get one and the PlayStation 5 for exclusives like Demon Souls, GodFall, And soon Returnal, Rachet and Clank, the New God Of War and any other sony exclusive not Playable on PlayStation 4. I never under stood fanboyism for one console its not like the companies care or not.

Fan of games not consoles.

PSN: TrueAssassin86x

LordSteev

@colonelkilgore Yeah, I still like owning physical copies, too. Especially when it's a favorite that I'll want to go back to time and again. I hate things like battle-passes, and it's a thing I worry I won't like about gamepass, too, because all the sudden you feel like you HAVE to play, instead of wanting to.

Sometimes, though, I go against my better judgement while strolling through the PS Store, just because it's WAY to easy. I try to limit my digital buys to games that are on 'super sale' that I never did buy when they were new and wasn't sure if I'd even like them.

My favorite games are full on single player games, with a beginning and an end, all contained on the disk or disks in the jewel case. I have no love for the direction game making in general is heading. Subscription services are part of the problem, but so, I think, is all the development houses getting bought up by 'parent' companies. It seems like the best games with the most imagination were made by people who really just wanted to make great games, and now the model seems to be more anti-gamer/pro money. "How can we string the player along so he'll keep playing this game?" Instead of "Wow, I had this really cool idea for a game, I can't wait to see if people like it!"

LordSteev

colonelkilgore

@TrueAssassin86x this isn’t me saying that you are what I’m about to state but Xbox ‘fans/fanboys’ have used the multiplats on Xbox and exclusives on PlayStation phrase all the way through the last generation. When I personally see that (for the most part, it may well be different in your specific case) as a corporate fanboy of Microsoft... as from my perspective I would just play the multiplats on the PlayStation as I have it for the exclusives anyway.

There is the argument that some multiplats ran better on the One X than the PS4 Pro... but I didn’t see that same argument from Xbox fans when the multiplats ran better on the PS4 than the One.

Then, there are ‘some’ Xbox exclusives (& there will obviously be far more in future given Microsoft’s purchases of late) so I would definitely see the ‘everything on Xbox’ side of things if you thought those exclusives were particularly good... but as of right now they just aren’t anywhere near the quality of Sony’s first party.

Edited on by colonelkilgore

I ain’t ever met a souls-like I didn’t like!

velio84

I just want to touch a bit on Sony not giving green light on Days gone 2 and shutting down Japan Studios.
Sony has a ***** tonne of data and statistics on all consoles plugged online. And based on that data and the sales for each game, they see what people buy and play and what they don’t. So for me that’s all there is to it. People prefer AAA Sony exclusives, that’s what they’ll focus on making WITH THEIR OWN STUDIOS.
To me at least Sony shutting down Japan studios doesn’t mean they are closing down development of small and diverse games. I tend to think they’ll simply outsource these to 3rd party studios. It’s cheaper to pay them develop the game than having their own studio doing the same thing.

So yeah, all this loom and gloom for me is totally out of place.

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velio84

colonelkilgore

@LordSteev we seem to be of a pretty similar mind-set bud:

“My favorite games are full on single player games, with a beginning and an end”

and that is why... at least for the foreseeable future I’ll game on PlayStation. There is a proven track record of excellence in that particular field of game style. Doesn’t mean that MS won’t make good exclusives games in future but there is no track record right now.

I have a backlog of around 200 games (most PS4, some PS3 & PS5), so I’m good for the time being... and if MS start producing quality complete single player games over the next few years that I want to play, buying an Xbox won’t be difficult for me (neither financially nor through any allegiance). I’ve just been shocked by how many people now think MS are ‘delivering’, when it still smells like ‘wait til E3’ to me.

Edited on by colonelkilgore

I ain’t ever met a souls-like I didn’t like!

Voltan

Feels to me like people want some news on the big Sony games so bad that they see anything else as a bad thing because it's not the big game news (even if it's them reportedly focusing on those big games).

Now, I appreciate what Xbox is doing. GamePass seems great and their social media activity is miles ahead of PlayStation for sure. I still find owning both consoles would be a bit of an overkill for me (factoring in things like cost, space and most importantly personal gaming habits) and none of this is enough to convince me that Xbox would've been the better choice yet. I want to play the best games and Sony still has the best games - it's as simple as that.

Voltan

LordSteev

@colonelkilgore Agreed, we both seem to be rooted somewhat in 'old-school' ways.

Here's what I come up with when thinking about the next couple of years on both platforms.

PS5:

Anything by Naughty Dog
Horizon Forbidden West
Resident Evil
Eventual Nier Automatica sequel
God of War
Whatever Sucker Punch does next
Whatever Bend does next
Haptic Feedback controllers

XBox X:

Starfield
Elder Scrolls 6
Future Doom
Future Quake
Future Wolfenstien
Future Prey
Future Dishonored
Future InXile games
Future Obsidian games
Halo

There's more on both sides, but these alone make me feel like I need both consoles. I don't want to cut myself off from either side!

LordSteev

Kidfried

@velio84 it might be a financially sensible choice, but that doesn't mean I or any other gamer has to like it. So those who would prefer to play some quirky Japan Studios game or Days Gone 2 above anything else, they have a very real reason for gloom and doom.

As a gamer I couldn't care less about the size of the bonus Jim Ryan gets paid at the end of the year. I care about great games coming to the system. And if Sony Bend was basically put on hold for these two last years and lost talent in the process, and Japan Studios has been refocused, that just means: less games by talented people.

And maybe you don't care about these games and that's fine. It doesn't affect you. But those it does affect, for them the fact that Sony is doing great numbers wise doesn't matter at all.

(And let's not pretend that Days Gone was a marginal game. It sold millions.)

Kidfried

Arugula

I feel largely indifferent due to my preference of 3rd party games, for the most part. I just buy PlayStation because it's been my chosen place to play for the past 25 years or so.

Even though I've owned almost every console ever made I find myself always coming back to PlayStation. The controller was always a large part of that but I don't particularly like the DualSense, I have PS5 but I still use my PS4 more.

I try not to get caught up in keeping up with the Joneses but Microsoft make for awfully noisy neighbours. I do like some Bethesda franchises so I'll keep an eye on their output and if they release something I simply can't live without then I might grab a Series S.

I don't think anyone can deny that Sony has made some curious decisions over the past 6 months and they've made moves in directions that I personally don't care about but they're a business like any other with the primary directive of making money. Obviously what upsets people is when that comes at a cost of neglecting what fans care about. It's a balancing act and I think Sony will have some announcements over the summer which will reset that balance.

Focusing on tent pole franchises feels like the most straightforward move but it can come at a cost of becoming stale and future progression. It's amazing how fast people want the next big thing until they don't. I personally couldn't give a hoot about the franchises that are seemingly their focus (Uncharted, God of War, Spiderman, The Last of Us, Horizon). That's not to say I won't play them but none of them excite me.

Sony have always been dreadful at communication and this seems to be more of problem with the media than the fans at large. The modern culture of having to know everything immediately doesn't really do much for me and I find it a little tiresome but media has a job to do and I don't envy them. Having said that, impatience isn't the fault of Sony.

Arugula

JohnnyShoulder

With such a huge backlog of games on PS4 it would have to be extraordinary to get me to switch to Xbox. Plus I much prefer the first party games on PlayStation currently have in the works. I've not seen anything yet from Xbox that even tempts me to think about getting an Xbox console. Even the Zenimax acquisition and the other studios, when all the noise calmed down and I thought about, I've not really enjoyed most of their games recently. The Outer Worlds I did, but if the sequel is exclusive to Xbox, I'll be disappointed but that will be that and I'll move on and play something else. Fallout 4 I played for over 100 hours but was sick of it by the end.

With some of the bad news coming from Sony recently, some of it is unfortunate. But as long as the games keep coming then that is all that matters to me. It makes no difference what is on Gamepass or what games are available through backwards compatibility on X Box. I really couldn't give a fudge at the moment.

You just gotta ride things out at the moment, and hopefully when more games start coming out, we can all start playing those instead of ranting about what is going on behind the scenes.

We are now in a world of people being offended for other people who they think should be offended, who arent offended.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

PSN: JohnnyShoulder

LordSteev

@TrueAssassin86x
Like your slogan says, Fan of Games, not consoles. I'll get both consoles, and then when games come out that can be played on either, I'll do some reading and find out which console plays it best. Not a Sony or Microsoft fanboy. I'm a Elder Scrolls/Naughty Dog fanboy!

LordSteev

LieutenantFatman

I've never been tempted to purchase an xbox. It's all about the games and Microsoft haven't produced anything to date that has tempted me at all. I guess I'm not part of their main target market.

LieutenantFatman

Blooper987

Started as a Nintendo nerd, got a PS4 and enjoy those games. Absolutely no way I’ll ever buy an Xbox. I can’t think of a single game on one that’s exclusive that I would like. Microsoft honestly feels like a third wheel in the console industry to me.

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