@viktorcode yeh no its not input lag of 1ms but the pixel response times are a true 1ms unlike most LCD displays (in fact all LCD displays, none have managed a true across the board 1ms pixel response).
the sony TV's will also have a 1ms pixel response time if they are OLED as this is the advantage OLED has, but yeh its not input lag of 1ms, that is 6ms or even a bit lower on the LG C1 and 6ms on the sony TV's, so both are amazingly fast for input lag, both will also have 1ms pixel response times (oled models only) which again is extremely fast.
people always mix up input lag and pixel response times
@viktorcode 13ms is at 60hz in standard mode. go back to Rtings and read the input lag section again mate, they state at 120hz 1080p its 5.2ms, at 120hz 1440p its 5.2ms and at 4k 120hz its 5.3ms. so yes they state its 13ms in standard 60hz mode, but they state you also can enable boost mode which they measured will knock 3ms off that. as somebody that uses a LG C1 as a pc monitor on a very high end pc (rtx 3080/5900x) i can tell you there is no reason to use standard mode, pc mode with boost and at 120hz 4k and it will give you 5.2ms input lag.
this article you are commenting on here states the sony TV will get as low as 6ms at 120hz 4k... so still not as low as measured on a LG C1 by Rtings.
Using an LG C1 myself on both a pc and ps5 and its stunning, my previous monitor was an alienware aw3821dw which is a very high end 38in ultrawide and the C1 simply outclasses it in every way, image quality, HDR... the whole lot. Never did I think TV's had come this far, gaming monitors have fallen behind, especially for HDR.
Anyway these Sony TV's look sweet aswell, my only problem is Sony taking what is dolby vision and binning it in favour of their own that only these tv's support, I just don't get it why do Sony play this game and not play ball with anybody else.
Anyway, get an Oled... I can't recommend it enough just make sure you have all the warranty available to you no matter the cost to protect your investment, worth it for peace of mind.
@viktorcode 13ms is not the fastest you can make it, 6ms is achievable on the LG CX/C1, all comes down to settings used, game mode is different to pc mode etc etc.
@Nalverus dude that is incorrect, 6ms total input lag is extremely fast and as fast as the fastest gaming monitors ever made, in fact it is equal or better than many 240hz monitors.
Oled TV's also handily outclass every single monitor high end or not when it comes to pixel response times, often around 4x faster than the fastest LCD displays on the market such as an odyssey g7/g9.
All of this can be found here, its an LG C1 review by tech spot (techspot are hardware unboxed on youtube) the LG C1 also has 6ms input lag, topping the charts when used as a monitor against other monitors, these are the fastest gaming TV's on the market.
@SoulChimera we already have the power of the ps5 on pc, its not power holding back VR implementation, probably just outright userbase that use VR, for a game being released yearly a massive chunk of that year development would be on VR implementation and thats just not good enough
come on now, the missing story from previous entry is not a downside, rather than work on a new story they created a whole new mode thats hands down more preferable to a jank story. sounds like you were reaching a bit to find downsides here... thats great.
bit of a weak review honestly, the gameplay is being played down as great as usual as if its not really a big deal because its great and we knew it would be lol and it wouldn't surprise me to see fifa 20 get a higher score even if the gameplay doesn't reach the same quality as pes but you know... it has a nicer UI or more modes.... theres an imbalance of how important certain things are I feel when it comes to football games, same thing happened last year, 7 for pes 19 and 8 for fifa 19.
in the review for fifa 19 you said the ball feels a lot better and in previous games the physics wasn't so good ''feeling stunted'' and yet fifa 18 got 8 and fifa 17 got 8, fifa 16 got 8, fifa 15 got 8 and fifa 14 got a 9.... do you see a pattern here?
fifa makes minor improvements year on year, same ping pong football and manages to hold its score, pes 17 got a 9... makes yearly improvements refining the gameplay, arguably the best ball physics in a game about the ball and pes 20 gets a 7... it don't add up.
not sure why you would mark a game down for being the same sport as it has been since it started, we know how incremental upgrades work for sports games, aslong as changes come where needed and its an improvement then that's good right?
in fact you complained about the same thing last year for 2018:
''With challenging racing and a diverse car management system, F1 2018 is filled with endless opportunity. Although undeniably similar to last season’s effort, small changes have improved the overall experience enough to merit a revisit. And, ultimately, F1 2018 takes the chequered flag as the best F1 instalment to date.''
you gave that game an 8, this one clearly makes yet more improvements, is clearly the best f1 installment to date, offers a deeper career (one of the better careers in any driving game actually), better visuals, even stating it adds enjoyment to the game, modified handling for the better.... so logically that merits a 7??
I know games should be judged on how they are today but nothing has changed in regards to racing competition, there is nothing new out today that offers a better f1 experience, its never going to fundamentally change, its always going to be f1, don't seem logical at all to give it a poorer score than last years game if its improved in every area even if minor, at worst it should have got the same score right? you know like fifa 18 and fifa 19 got, with the caveat that if you own 2018 you will be ok to skip this year.
@NomNom heres an idea get the game. Everybody is poor at first you will learn. Im a fan of series but what i did was get on youtube the night before and watched the metal gear solid 3 movie. Do that for an insight into the story and its a good watch anyway basically all the scenes stitched together. Theres one for all the games.
Ive had 5 now since saturday. Got lucky i guess lol love it ive played 16 hours and its epic. Such good gameplay and when you learn to use all the tools at your disposal ( of which i still have soooo many to research and buy ) the game gets seriously addictive.
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Re: Sony Pimps Perfect for PS5 Bravia XR TVs
@viktorcode yeh no its not input lag of 1ms but the pixel response times are a true 1ms unlike most LCD displays (in fact all LCD displays, none have managed a true across the board 1ms pixel response).
the sony TV's will also have a 1ms pixel response time if they are OLED as this is the advantage OLED has, but yeh its not input lag of 1ms, that is 6ms or even a bit lower on the LG C1 and 6ms on the sony TV's, so both are amazingly fast for input lag, both will also have 1ms pixel response times (oled models only) which again is extremely fast.
people always mix up input lag and pixel response times
Re: Sony Pimps Perfect for PS5 Bravia XR TVs
@viktorcode 13ms is at 60hz in standard mode. go back to Rtings and read the input lag section again mate, they state at 120hz 1080p its 5.2ms, at 120hz 1440p its 5.2ms and at 4k 120hz its 5.3ms. so yes they state its 13ms in standard 60hz mode, but they state you also can enable boost mode which they measured will knock 3ms off that. as somebody that uses a LG C1 as a pc monitor on a very high end pc (rtx 3080/5900x) i can tell you there is no reason to use standard mode, pc mode with boost and at 120hz 4k and it will give you 5.2ms input lag.
this article you are commenting on here states the sony TV will get as low as 6ms at 120hz 4k... so still not as low as measured on a LG C1 by Rtings.
Re: Sony Pimps Perfect for PS5 Bravia XR TVs
Using an LG C1 myself on both a pc and ps5 and its stunning, my previous monitor was an alienware aw3821dw which is a very high end 38in ultrawide and the C1 simply outclasses it in every way, image quality, HDR... the whole lot. Never did I think TV's had come this far, gaming monitors have fallen behind, especially for HDR.
Anyway these Sony TV's look sweet aswell, my only problem is Sony taking what is dolby vision and binning it in favour of their own that only these tv's support, I just don't get it why do Sony play this game and not play ball with anybody else.
Anyway, get an Oled... I can't recommend it enough just make sure you have all the warranty available to you no matter the cost to protect your investment, worth it for peace of mind.
Re: Sony Pimps Perfect for PS5 Bravia XR TVs
@viktorcode 13ms is not the fastest you can make it, 6ms is achievable on the LG CX/C1, all comes down to settings used, game mode is different to pc mode etc etc.
Re: Sony Pimps Perfect for PS5 Bravia XR TVs
@Nalverus dude that is incorrect, 6ms total input lag is extremely fast and as fast as the fastest gaming monitors ever made, in fact it is equal or better than many 240hz monitors.
Oled TV's also handily outclass every single monitor high end or not when it comes to pixel response times, often around 4x faster than the fastest LCD displays on the market such as an odyssey g7/g9.
All of this can be found here, its an LG C1 review by tech spot (techspot are hardware unboxed on youtube) the LG C1 also has 6ms input lag, topping the charts when used as a monitor against other monitors, these are the fastest gaming TV's on the market.
https://www.techspot.com/review/2292-lg-c1-oled-gaming/
Re: F1 2020 - More Complete Than the Real Thing
@SoulChimera we already have the power of the ps5 on pc, its not power holding back VR implementation, probably just outright userbase that use VR, for a game being released yearly a massive chunk of that year development would be on VR implementation and thats just not good enough
Re: F1 2020 - More Complete Than the Real Thing
come on now, the missing story from previous entry is not a downside, rather than work on a new story they created a whole new mode thats hands down more preferable to a jank story. sounds like you were reaching a bit to find downsides here... thats great.
Re: eFootball PES 2020 - Same Shirt, Different Name
bit of a weak review honestly, the gameplay is being played down as great as usual as if its not really a big deal because its great and we knew it would be lol and it wouldn't surprise me to see fifa 20 get a higher score even if the gameplay doesn't reach the same quality as pes but you know... it has a nicer UI or more modes.... theres an imbalance of how important certain things are I feel when it comes to football games, same thing happened last year, 7 for pes 19 and 8 for fifa 19.
in the review for fifa 19 you said the ball feels a lot better and in previous games the physics wasn't so good ''feeling stunted'' and yet fifa 18 got 8 and fifa 17 got 8, fifa 16 got 8, fifa 15 got 8 and fifa 14 got a 9.... do you see a pattern here?
fifa makes minor improvements year on year, same ping pong football and manages to hold its score, pes 17 got a 9... makes yearly improvements refining the gameplay, arguably the best ball physics in a game about the ball and pes 20 gets a 7... it don't add up.
Re: F1 2019 - Solid But Evolutionary Formula One Driving Sim
not sure why you would mark a game down for being the same sport as it has been since it started, we know how incremental upgrades work for sports games, aslong as changes come where needed and its an improvement then that's good right?
in fact you complained about the same thing last year for 2018:
''With challenging racing and a diverse car management system, F1 2018 is filled with endless opportunity. Although undeniably similar to last season’s effort, small changes have improved the overall experience enough to merit a revisit. And, ultimately, F1 2018 takes the chequered flag as the best F1 instalment to date.''
you gave that game an 8, this one clearly makes yet more improvements, is clearly the best f1 installment to date, offers a deeper career (one of the better careers in any driving game actually), better visuals, even stating it adds enjoyment to the game, modified handling for the better.... so logically that merits a 7??
I know games should be judged on how they are today but nothing has changed in regards to racing competition, there is nothing new out today that offers a better f1 experience, its never going to fundamentally change, its always going to be f1, don't seem logical at all to give it a poorer score than last years game if its improved in every area even if minor, at worst it should have got the same score right? you know like fifa 18 and fifa 19 got, with the caveat that if you own 2018 you will be ok to skip this year.
Re: First Impressions: Is Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain on PS4 the Best Entry Yet?
@NomNom heres an idea get the game. Everybody is poor at first you will learn. Im a fan of series but what i did was get on youtube the night before and watched the metal gear solid 3 movie. Do that for an insight into the story and its a good watch anyway basically all the scenes stitched together. Theres one for all the games.
Ive had 5 now since saturday. Got lucky i guess lol love it ive played 16 hours and its epic. Such good gameplay and when you learn to use all the tools at your disposal ( of which i still have soooo many to research and buy ) the game gets seriously addictive.