@Giygas_95 Can't please everyone though. What's good for one may not be good for the next. That's precisely why we have that Other M situation. And interesting you pose that question because people actually have indeed warmed up to it a bit. BUT only because Prime 4 was confirmed! 😂 Even Federation Force got a LOT of hate! Not because it was a bad game, but because it wasn't Prime. So imagine for example had it been AM2R vs Federation Force? Or AM2R vs Other M for that matter. Now ya got a huge problem, not because quality but again because mass appeal.
Ninty elitist gamers wanted only 2 things: Samus, and a Halo Killer. In all actuality that's what the hate was all about. Metroid Prime was a hardcore Nintendo fan's answer to Halo. (even though Metroid did it first if course) The truth behind the whole issue is that those guys wanted their own FPS to fuel their schoolyard Ninty vs Xbox arguments. And without a Prime game they can't win their petty "who's the better company console war" fights. That's literally what all the Other M and especially Federation Force hate was all about. To them:
@Giygas_95 now far as letting the fan do it, the problem isn't quality, it's mass appeal. There's billions put into marketing and R&D to come up with top quality product and you see what happened to Metroid: Other M. The quality was great! But not the mass appeal because gamers wanted another Prime. True Other M had it's shortcomings but it was still a fun play nonetheless. It's a huge risk, even to let a well known, fully established and successful company handle your properties so imagine someone with little experience. TecmoKoei dev'd Other M, Sega dev'd F-Zero GX, and BandaiNam dev'd StarFox Assault and we see their current fates. If PlatGames hadn't stepped in and picked up Star Fox Zero we probably wouldn't have that either. That's why Nintendo is so cautious with their products.
Sega was it's own story however because it's struggling badly just to stay alive so any sales they get at all are good! 😂😢
@Giygas_95 you'd think, because that's the logical direction seeing that they are the company after all, but we are already demanding they put their best foot forward as it is right? So how is it fair that not only do we demand top notch quality, but then hold their own product as a sort of "Sword of Damacles" over their heads? It would be like you want me to buy a product from you, I take your product and make it better, while still demanding you to make it better than me or else! Lol Why even bother making it in the first place? It's like constantly upping the demand with no end and worse using their own invention so like before you're forcing them to compete with their own design for your benefit, kinda like the Romans throwing people in the coliseum to either survive or die for our entertainment! 😂
In the case of Metroid, the reason it's so scarce today is because it's not nearly as popular overseas as it is Stateside. It's impossible to please absolutely everyone, especially when you have 2+ totally different cultures to appeal to. So ultimately it's forcing them between a rock and a hard place. Give me what I expect or else, but at the same time give the other person what they want too or else, and it's just never ending. Games are hard af to make so you have to be seriously passionate about making them, even more passionate than gamers are about playing them...
@Giygas_95 Fantastic game to who? Metroid fans? I liked it too and it's true the guy wasn't making money off it but that wasn't the problem. Imagine someone who has never in their lives played a Metroid game before just happened to get turned to AM2R and thought it was the greatest thing ever. Then Samus Returns comes out and they are like well it's not as good as AM2R. or Perhaps they dont like AM2R at all and when they see Samus Returns they are immediately turned off by it for whatever reason they didn't like AM2R. Maybe they'll like both? Who knows but it's a HUGE risk. Basically you are taking someone else's product, recreating it for fun and exposing it to a whole world of potential customers out there and in doing so are making the original creator compete with its own creation at your hands. So not only does Nintendo already have to compete with other brands like Sony and MS, now they have to compete with one of their own properties? What's worse is if a fan manages to do it better. Because now they have to outperform one of their own customers who's putting out their product for free. How many ppl besides loyal fans would bother buying the Nintendo version if they get an equal or better version for free?
Lastly, I have been making this point a bit now, but the Corona beer company just lost billions of dollars simply because of the name of their beer being similar to the name of the virus, and the beer company legally owns the name and had it for decades, long before this virus even became a factor. So any little, silly, insignificant factor as simple as a totally harmless name can cost a well established company billions of dollars.
@3MonthBeef Either a lot of ppl forget or never knew, but Sony, Apple, Phillips, EA and just about every other consumer electronics entertainment company out there and ESPECIALLY MICROSOFT have been trying to find ways to legally steal Nintendo's properties since the 90s! The short version is that Nintendo owned stock in Rareware which is why Microsoft ran a bid against them to purchase Rare by buying up more stock than Nintendo. It was an attempt at a hostile takeover of Nintendo IP. Microsoft thought that because Rare made Donkey Kong Country and dev'd some of the other games that Rare owned the licensing to these games so by acquiring Rare they would acquire the games from Nintendo. Truth is MS was actually after the Mario IP and they thought that because Mario was originally a Donkey Kong trademark that they could simply get Rare, have DK, and by default own Mario. Needless to say that plan didn't work out so I bet whoever hatched it got fired by Bill Gates!! HAHA!!
@Bobskie77 Like I told some other guys, a mere name can cost a company billions. Check out what happened to the Corona beer company because of the virus. No sicknesses occurred because of the beer, it was just the name that cost them profit. Companies have to protect so so much when it comes to their properties because absolutely anything stupid at all can ruin them.
@Shepard93n7 I made an example earlier using the Corona beer company. Just the name alone has cost them billions of dollars thanks to this virus outbreak. Only the name. Nothing else. Nobody got sick its just the names are the same even though the beer company legally owns the name. So if something as simple as a name similarity can cost a company billions imagine what the physical use of someone else's product can cost. Unfortunately guys, thats the business world.
@get2sammyb @playstation_king unfortunately this corona virus thing is an excellent example. In case you guys didnt hear, the Corona beer company lost billions of dollars recently not because ppl caught the virus from the beer, but simply for no other reason than the name. thats it. Because the virus has the same name as the beer, the company lost profit. What you guys don't know about economics and business is that it's not all about popularity or how many units you sell. These companies have people that own shares of the company meaning like in this case those shareholders call the shots, not Nintendo. Lot of those shareholders are rich old men that have never played a videogame in their lives and some don't even know what a Mario is! BUT they know Wallstreet. And if they feel that anything could damage a company's image they will set up meetings to discuss what needs to be done, usually resulting in them demanding nintendo take action up to the point of potential litigation.
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Re: Nintendo Putting Pressure on Sony to Remove Dreams Creations on PS4
@Giygas_95 Can't please everyone though. What's good for one may not be good for the next. That's precisely why we have that Other M situation. And interesting you pose that question because people actually have indeed warmed up to it a bit. BUT only because Prime 4 was confirmed! 😂 Even Federation Force got a LOT of hate! Not because it was a bad game, but because it wasn't Prime. So imagine for example had it been AM2R vs Federation Force? Or AM2R vs Other M for that matter. Now ya got a huge problem, not because quality but again because mass appeal.
Ninty elitist gamers wanted only 2 things: Samus, and a Halo Killer. In all actuality that's what the hate was all about. Metroid Prime was a hardcore Nintendo fan's answer to Halo. (even though Metroid did it first if course) The truth behind the whole issue is that those guys wanted their own FPS to fuel their schoolyard Ninty vs Xbox arguments. And without a Prime game they can't win their petty "who's the better company console war" fights. That's literally what all the Other M and especially Federation Force hate was all about. To them:
No Samus + no 3D FPS = No Halo Killer.
Re: Nintendo Putting Pressure on Sony to Remove Dreams Creations on PS4
@Giygas_95 now far as letting the fan do it, the problem isn't quality, it's mass appeal. There's billions put into marketing and R&D to come up with top quality product and you see what happened to Metroid: Other M. The quality was great! But not the mass appeal because gamers wanted another Prime. True Other M had it's shortcomings but it was still a fun play nonetheless. It's a huge risk, even to let a well known, fully established and successful company handle your properties so imagine someone with little experience. TecmoKoei dev'd Other M, Sega dev'd F-Zero GX, and BandaiNam dev'd StarFox Assault and we see their current fates. If PlatGames hadn't stepped in and picked up Star Fox Zero we probably wouldn't have that either. That's why Nintendo is so cautious with their products.
Sega was it's own story however because it's struggling badly just to stay alive so any sales they get at all are good! 😂😢
Re: Nintendo Putting Pressure on Sony to Remove Dreams Creations on PS4
@Giygas_95 you'd think, because that's the logical direction seeing that they are the company after all, but we are already demanding they put their best foot forward as it is right? So how is it fair that not only do we demand top notch quality, but then hold their own product as a sort of "Sword of Damacles" over their heads? It would be like you want me to buy a product from you, I take your product and make it better, while still demanding you to make it better than me or else! Lol Why even bother making it in the first place? It's like constantly upping the demand with no end and worse using their own invention so like before you're forcing them to compete with their own design for your benefit, kinda like the Romans throwing people in the coliseum to either survive or die for our entertainment! 😂
In the case of Metroid, the reason it's so scarce today is because it's not nearly as popular overseas as it is Stateside. It's impossible to please absolutely everyone, especially when you have 2+ totally different cultures to appeal to. So ultimately it's forcing them between a rock and a hard place. Give me what I expect or else, but at the same time give the other person what they want too or else, and it's just never ending. Games are hard af to make so you have to be seriously passionate about making them, even more passionate than gamers are about playing them...
Re: Nintendo Putting Pressure on Sony to Remove Dreams Creations on PS4
@Giygas_95 Fantastic game to who? Metroid fans? I liked it too and it's true the guy wasn't making money off it but that wasn't the problem. Imagine someone who has never in their lives played a Metroid game before just happened to get turned to AM2R and thought it was the greatest thing ever. Then Samus Returns comes out and they are like well it's not as good as AM2R. or Perhaps they dont like AM2R at all and when they see Samus Returns they are immediately turned off by it for whatever reason they didn't like AM2R. Maybe they'll like both? Who knows but it's a HUGE risk. Basically you are taking someone else's product, recreating it for fun and exposing it to a whole world of potential customers out there and in doing so are making the original creator compete with its own creation at your hands. So not only does Nintendo already have to compete with other brands like Sony and MS, now they have to compete with one of their own properties? What's worse is if a fan manages to do it better. Because now they have to outperform one of their own customers who's putting out their product for free. How many ppl besides loyal fans would bother buying the Nintendo version if they get an equal or better version for free?
Lastly, I have been making this point a bit now, but the Corona beer company just lost billions of dollars simply because of the name of their beer being similar to the name of the virus, and the beer company legally owns the name and had it for decades, long before this virus even became a factor. So any little, silly, insignificant factor as simple as a totally harmless name can cost a well established company billions of dollars.
Re: Nintendo Putting Pressure on Sony to Remove Dreams Creations on PS4
@3MonthBeef Either a lot of ppl forget or never knew, but Sony, Apple, Phillips, EA and just about every other consumer electronics entertainment company out there and ESPECIALLY MICROSOFT have been trying to find ways to legally steal Nintendo's properties since the 90s! The short version is that Nintendo owned stock in Rareware which is why Microsoft ran a bid against them to purchase Rare by buying up more stock than Nintendo. It was an attempt at a hostile takeover of Nintendo IP. Microsoft thought that because Rare made Donkey Kong Country and dev'd some of the other games that Rare owned the licensing to these games so by acquiring Rare they would acquire the games from Nintendo. Truth is MS was actually after the Mario IP and they thought that because Mario was originally a Donkey Kong trademark that they could simply get Rare, have DK, and by default own Mario. Needless to say that plan didn't work out so I bet whoever hatched it got fired by Bill Gates!! HAHA!!
Re: Nintendo Putting Pressure on Sony to Remove Dreams Creations on PS4
@Bobskie77 Like I told some other guys, a mere name can cost a company billions. Check out what happened to the Corona beer company because of the virus. No sicknesses occurred because of the beer, it was just the name that cost them profit. Companies have to protect so so much when it comes to their properties because absolutely anything stupid at all can ruin them.
Re: Nintendo Putting Pressure on Sony to Remove Dreams Creations on PS4
@Shepard93n7 I made an example earlier using the Corona beer company. Just the name alone has cost them billions of dollars thanks to this virus outbreak. Only the name. Nothing else. Nobody got sick its just the names are the same even though the beer company legally owns the name. So if something as simple as a name similarity can cost a company billions imagine what the physical use of someone else's product can cost. Unfortunately guys, thats the business world.
Re: Nintendo Putting Pressure on Sony to Remove Dreams Creations on PS4
@get2sammyb @playstation_king unfortunately this corona virus thing is an excellent example. In case you guys didnt hear, the Corona beer company lost billions of dollars recently not because ppl caught the virus from the beer, but simply for no other reason than the name. thats it. Because the virus has the same name as the beer, the company lost profit. What you guys don't know about economics and business is that it's not all about popularity or how many units you sell. These companies have people that own shares of the company meaning like in this case those shareholders call the shots, not Nintendo. Lot of those shareholders are rich old men that have never played a videogame in their lives and some don't even know what a Mario is! BUT they know Wallstreet. And if they feel that anything could damage a company's image they will set up meetings to discuss what needs to be done, usually resulting in them demanding nintendo take action up to the point of potential litigation.