Ghost of Yotei's PS5 Price Provokes Fresh Switch 2 Fury

I didn’t know this website became about complaining 🥲 Games have prices, Companies set them. Buy it or don’t and move on!

Nintendo knows people will bite. Because Nintendo can do no wrong.

Sony are pretty anti consumer but nintendo are a joke at the minute disgusting prices for there games I know they make the best single player games same as sony but them prices are ridiculous nobody can defend them best thing to as mentioned on here by people is vote with your wallet that's the only way things will change

And Nintendo fans will still defend the Mario kart price

Vote with your wallet. That is all.

@Yegor Nintendo fan here. I absolutely will not defend their pricing strategy.

@Yegor Of course I defend it, because Mario Kart is and always will be wildly successful; 75m copies of MK8 and MK8 Deluxe are the premier league. Pricing is first and foremost what the customers are willing to pay, production costs are of lower priority.

Don’t forget Mario Kart World will cost the same in 8 years from now 😄

If only people weren't using the worst arguments against this. The graphics and budget comparisons are stupid because cartoony graphics don't mean they aren't detailed, and since when have we been using large budgets as positives? I thought we wanted that to be lower for Triple A games, which Nintendo is good at. The hardcore Sony fanboys don't have a good argument here imo besides that $80 is kinda high, which Sony is going to take advantage of soon enough anyways

Did the Nintendo kids party games always cost more than Sony games? I have no point of reference for something like WiiSports vs Uncharted: Drake's Fortune pricing, for example 🤷‍♂️

And I'd wager Ghost of Yotei cost a lot more to develop. Mario Kart re-uses character models, music, karts and some tracks (modified).

@UltimateOtaku91 And I wager that Concord costed even more. Following this logic, Concord should have been priced at 70 $, or even more. So with a 40 $ price tag, Concord’s success should be guaranteed, right?

This might be a bit controversial, but the pricing strategy of Switch 2 games is, in my view, preferable to the death-by-a-thousand-cuts strategies used by lots of the big 3rd party publishers. Of course, obviously I'd prefer things to cost less money, but Nintendo are basically not all in on microtransactions and I think it's okay to raise the box price if that stays the same.

Obviously it's great that PlayStation hasn't yet raised prices too, but come the PS6 I'd say they probably will and again, that's okay compared to the alternative strategies we for monetization in my view.

And here's expedition 33 retailing at £39.99.

vote with your wallet guys!

If the price of mario kart world didn't impact the game sales I'm sure as heck everyone and their mother (the game publishers) will raise the price of their games quickly 😕

@UltimateOtaku91 - And Yotai will repurpose every single asset it can from Tsushima.

It's like all Nintendo had to do was charge 69 bucks and throw in an optional deluxe edition that fans would have bought anyways.

@Shigurui Well it's a different map altogether and new characters.

@Chimmy1024 Nintendo is not all in on microtransactions? That's completely false. Even if they aren't as brazen as the usual suspects like EA

Just thinking about a film-buff for whatever reason hearing about this complaint from their gamer friend, knowing full well that all movie tickets cost the same regardless of differences in films' budgets and no one complains about it...

@Max_the_German Not really it's hard to compare live service with single player. Concord failed not because of its budget/pricing but because there was no interest in another hero shooter and the majority found the characters to be boring.

@Cutmastavictory that's what I mean though. You can still enjoy Nintendo games for the most part with non-intrusive monetization, something that isn't possible anymore with a lot of the AAA industry. While they have elements of it there, it isn't anything close to as bad. It's something I generally also appreciate with PS 1st party as well.

The day I realized that most of the day one games I buy aren't played for weeks later, maybe longer and then decided to wait for sales and discounts was the day it felt like I cracked the code. I get that not everyone wants to but it becomes really hard to want to when you know these companies are doing it because they can. Meanwhile Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 is only £39.99. I did day one buy Oblivion but I've already gotten (checks) 59hrs out of it (I'm on there right now) Civ 7 was only 13hrs, I forget how much that cost but it wasn't cheap. I've definitely become a more cautious buyer.

Whoever tries to defend nintendos greed is truly lost. I hope nobody buys their games. I for one will wait for price drops

Gamers sure love defending price hikes and anti-consumer changes. It's so bizarre, no other medium is like this. Anyway, Nintendo Switch 2 can get in the bin 🗑

@UltimateOtaku91 And there seems to be high interest in another Mario Kart. So what’s the point?

@Yegor you haven't been over at Nintendo Life recently, haven't you?

@UltimateOtaku91 - Yeah and most of that new map will be wavey grass and trees lifted directly from Tsushima.

Nintendo also doesn't do good sales. Their games seem to retain the original price for years to come. Sony on the other hand can be very cheap if you play the patience game and you are not an impulsive person.

@AgentGuapo Honestly, what you said is the only comment that matters.... People fail to understand that it's a business. If consumers are happy to pay high prices and they're profitable then that's a good business decision, if not the they'll readjust their pricing strategy.. There is nothing more to it.

@Max_the_German Well that was my take to why Concord failed but in terms of game pricing we can't justify higher prices just on the fact it's popular. Otherwise people would have no problem paying £80-£100 for games like Fifa, Persona, GTA, Call of Duty etc. For me personally the less time and money it costs to develop then the cheaper it should be for the consumers, but also for those that do take longer and cost more to develop there needs to be a point where consumers say take a stand to no more price increases. And I think we are nearly already at that point, any higher than 79.99 is taking it too far.

I imagine most people will buy Mario Kart with the Switch 2 as a bundle, so its cost for most is $50

Didn’t they just hike up the price of PS+ across the globe?

Do we not see that they’ve always sold $80 game bundles that come with a few skins or an artbook?

MKWorld will likely have seasonal updates and the like, if that’s how they want to sell it, then so be it. Bundled with the Switch2, it’ll be $50.

This is some silly stuff to beat your chest over.

@UltimateOtaku91 Pricing of the end product isn't decided by the time and cost of developing. That's just simply not how businesses work. There are numerous other factors that decide pricing for any company.. Gamers need to stop thinking game companies are their buddies. It's a company trying to profit like any other. I'm not defending their prices though. Ultimately it's the consumer response that'll determine whether they made the right choice or not before they adjust their pricing strategy.

@Shigurui you'd be shocked to learn of the lack of reused assets in first party playstation titles its a main reason y it takes so long to make

And I will enjoy both at that price for different reasons.

@MaelysSedisia Theaters set the price themself. The distributor has a set price and it's up to the venue to balance the cost of getting the picture (sometimes 30K per reel/just transport and insurance) and then playing the picture for a set time. Once it's done they can make up the difference by sending the same reel to a smaller venue (much more common now) Most theaters operate at a loss for the first week, this is why there is such a push for price hikes in concessions/food and drink. The box office gets sliced in many different ways and the theaters aren't getting the biggest piece.

Ticket prices are about to go up again due to power consumption/upcoming heating costs and a 40% hike in logistics (in Europe) from the distributor. It's not set in stone for the actual film budget either. I know people who haven't been paid for months (on location) because the picture went over budget which meant they went over schedule too. Release forms had to be resubmitted, insurance had to be resubmitted. It's happening more and more, which is why so many productions are focusing on sound stages. You should see the cost of accommodation for an entire film crew now, not counting riders for the main talent. The studios are talking about making the production crews pay for it. We're starting to see the same thing in music, the labels are struggling and it all eventually falls back on the consumer (of live events)

You're right no one complains about it because no one is seeing the hidden cost, the venue takes the hidden cost and does what it can to balance a bad box office. Almost twenty theaters closed in the UK last year, that might not sound like a lot but it adds up. It's almost May and the remaining ones are already operating at a 3% loss. The only way they can prevent more closures is to raise the cost of tickets again. It's coming, once the Summer rush ends and we hit early October theaters are going to start charging a lot more. It's not out of greed, it's survival. And that's without even mentioning streaming, the entertainment industry (excluding gaming) is in a very bad way right now. We're all feeling it.

Many gaming publishers are greedy just for the sake of it, they see gamers as soft targets. They exploit the love of a franchise and they run with it. Theaters/film/music don't see the franchise, we don't see the genre we see people and numbers. We don't raise and lower the cost per genre, it's the booking fee of the band and theaters operate the same way. The distributor ends up being the band and if you can't meet their demand you don't get their picture. Everything has a hidden cost at all levels and there are many levels before a film makes it to the viewer. They do actually cost more depending on the picture, you're just not seeing that end result. Or in many cases people are and aren't recognizing it until a theater near them closes.

@AgentGuapo likewise. I’m also a Nintendo fan and absolutely won’t defend their pricing.

Sony are looking good value-wise in comparison.

@Cry_Zero Couldn't agree with you more, Ultra Vegeta 1

@Chimmy1024 @Cutmastavictory The vast majority of Nintendo's use of microtransactions were in mobile games. However, I don't think it's wise to assume that the Switch 2 era stays the same in that regard.

Sony would have to have been incredibly stupid to price match after the backlash. It's a very easy PR win to do literally nothing and eventually once the outrage at the price hike dies down and people are accepting of it they can do it then.

@Drago201 - Really? Enlighten me.

@Medic_alert Ghost of Yotei will drop in price pretty quickly, all Sony games do, If Nintendo stick to the strategy they have for years now, MarioKart World will always be this price.

Charging what they are for a what amounst to a performance updated version of BOTW is the most egregious of all.But hey Nintendo love charging big money for old games. check the price of Zelda Links Awakaening. Graphical update yes, but it remains a Gameboy game.

@AgentGuapo I should have been more specific. “hardcore” fans is what I should have said.

Guess which one will sell more in the end lol

To be fair, if Mario Kart World wasn't in a bundle, I wouldn't spend £75 separately. BUT at the same time I don't understand the hate specifically towards Nintendo. I mean Sony increased the price of PS5 multiple times, at the same time they had way more $70 games in the past 5 years than Nintendo had since the release of Switch back in 2017. Back when games generally got the the $60 and $70 price point there wasn't such backlash. And deep down we knew eventually $80 was coming sooner or later. Guess we didn't expect Nintendo to be the first one to implement it (considering how "affordable" they've been in the pat couple of decades).

As a consumer I just hope we don't see THAT many £75 games in the near future on Switch 2. I am looking at you upcoming Zelda and especially Gen10 Pokemon

@Grumblevolcano Oh for sure I hope they don't go that way through the Switch 2 lifecycle. And it's not like I'd view all their pricing strategies as reasonable (those Switch 2 Edition games and the not-quite-a-physical-release Game Key Cards for example are pretty darned egregious) but in general I'd view price rises as the lesser of the evils as long as we don't end up with all the evils at the same time.

@Yegor I would consider myself a hardcore Nintendo fan. I still don’t defend this pricing. This is Nintendo’s predatory greed at its finest. Sony and Nintendo really are racing to the bottom lately aren’t they.

@Darkri74345 The complaint is that some are overpriced, almost no one is saying goods and services should be provided for free. Feedback about problems with products like price is an important function of any market.

@Shigurui pretty much every 1st party studio remakes each character model textures and models for all environments even sounds don't get reused there was actually a big story that came out from the yakuza series developers when they stated they reuse almost all of there assets for all games and that's y there releasing a brand new aaa game each year they also revealed that this is mostly not done across the entire games industry playstation being a main example of how high fidelity everything is naughty dog makes everything from scratch each game even debris on the ground

@AgentGuapo I agree. I’ve always been a fan of both companies too. I had a Wii U, still have my GameCube, gameboy sp and bought a switch day 1. But now it’s just getting out of hand. Mario Kart 8 deluxe was in the top ten selling games forever so I don’t like the argument some people have about production cost, because the game sells like crazy and I’m sure they made a huge profit off it to make up for production and then some.

Cost is based on value, which is dictated by what people are willing to pay for something.

In this instance, mario kart, a game in which the previous release sold over 55 million copies at $60, likely warrants a higher price. Ghosts of Yotei almost certainly cost more to make, but its potential audience is much smaller and if they go up too high they will likely lose more than they gain.

Also a factor with nintendo is the cost of the medium its on. A gamecard is a lot more expensive than a dvd to produce. Nintendo likely wants to keep prices for digital and physical equal, so it opted for a higher price.

Do we have to like it? Of course not. But its completely understandable. (Ill also note many games in the early 90s were 75-80usd in back then money)

@AgentGuapo spot on anybody who defends corporate greed is either a fan boy or completely insane

@AgentGuapo we'll see first week sales to get an idea how many feel and act the same way.

@Runex2121 actually it's not even close to understandable. Considering how much it's guaranteed to sell, Nintendo most certainly doesn't need to raise its price.

Same with GTA. No matter the content offered, the game will make up its budget with first week sales alone. The sales for the next decade after that will be pure profit.

@nikolai131 Perhaps because we can see that Sony's revenue is quite low. They don't overcharge. The ps5 has gotten more expensive due to production costs. AAA first party games cost hundreds of millions and sell far less than the evergreen Nintendo first party games.

@JustMyOpinion There is a difference between greed and healthy profit.

The only thing that is inexcusable in Sony's case is psplus prices that keep increasing without offering better value. It's their cash cow and there is no defending it.

@Drago201 - I'm shocked. RGG actually reuse assets to make Kamurocho in every Yakuza game they release. Who knew?

It must really annoy the complainers to see the Switch 2 and MKW on course for another historic launch.

@naruball There a business, not a charity. Their goal is to maximize profit pure and simple. Whats not to understand about that?

When you’re done with the Ghosts game, you won’t be going back to it. You’ll be going back to Mario kart for 10+ years so honestly the $70 for that game is it really justified?? That’s just another take. I don’t mind paying $70 for it and I don’t mind paying 80 for my Mario kart because I will get an adequate amount of play out of both, one is for years. The other one is just this year and maybe two months.

@Shigurui every single game in the last 20 years still uses there same blood textures

@Runex2121 yeah, I made that clear myself. May wanna read the rest of my posts. Or not. Up to you. But you were the one who brought up the cost of physical media in the first place. So, that's a great example of moving the goalpost.

@Now-Let-Me-Say01 following that logic, all multiplayer games should cost more, right?

@naruball
"There is a difference between greed and healthy profit"

There’s is a balance to be struck, but "greed" vs "healthy profit" is a very economically vague and subjective standpoint.

In reality, every company aims for the highest profit the market will accept, and it’s up to consumers to push back if they feel it crosses into something excessive.

Ultimately, the free market defines what’s "healthy" by what people are willing (or unwilling) to pay.

If enough consumers continue to buy Nintendo games and Nintendo remains profitable, then the new price is justified from their perspective - simple as that.

@themightyant yep, we have no idea how much these cost to make and nobody seems to take into account the distribution costs incurred with those 64GB cartridges, which is a significant portion of each sale.

I've said something similar before on here but when it's costing me £40 for a takeaway for the family or more than double that for a night out, then me spending £10 extra on a game I'm going to play for years, doesn't even register anymore

@Runex2121 I agree with you.

The others here thinking that a business won't try to make more profit if it can, even if they don't have to, have a strange perspective. Sure I prefer to pay lower to. But gamers need to understand these businesses aren't our friends. They exist to make money, and they'll slow push the lines as much as they can get away with it.

There are also all sorts of uncertainty in the global market and it's very hard to predict what the outcome will be
The next few year will be rocky between USA and China that affect businesses across the globe.

People need a holistic view of all this.

I'll never say what a company can and can't charge. Simply because it comes down to whatever someone is willing to pay for it. However, the people who are defending having to pay more for something are insane! How can you support a company so far as to be OK with them charging you more to support them? It's madness!

@Max_the_German while I agree there are some, at the very least understandable, decisions these companies make even if unfavorable to the consumer, I don’t agree with this mindset you’re talking about at all

@Fighting_Game_Loser the budget argument definitely is not bad, I just think there needs to be a balance in discussing budget along with what that budget actually went into in the game. There is also another layer of the quality of said things the budget went to. There are games that can have big budgets that went to a lot of content, but overall the experience may not be great, or may differ to different people

Welp, they sure can keep their 90€ Mario Kart on the store shelf forever it looks beautiful up there.

Nintendo knows they can do it and get away with it, so I'm not surprised.

This is hogwash.

Nintendo fans dont give a crap about games on other systems and certainly don't follow their price. NOBODY expected Ghosts to be $80. Literally nobody. So the claim fans were "upset" that it's the exact price everyone expected is ludicrous.

This was spread by fanboys who were parading their $70 price tag as this massive W, as if that's "cheap", and when Nintendo fans paid them no mind, they got upset. Probably expected Nintendo fans to get "jealous" or something. And when they didn't, the response was to spread lies acting as if Nintendo fans were upset about it. But they weren't.

Nobody cares that some other random game is $70. Nobody expected it to be more. This is honestly just Sony fans trying to pucker up their egos by flaunting this price as a brag, and deluding themselves into thinking "Nintendo fans are upset about it". No... they're not.

Sammy made an entire ragebait article based on a tweet with 8 likes lmao

Okay lets just be fair here, while Sony hasn't raised their price of games they have raised in other parts like the PS+ subscription and the PS5 console as well.

I won’t be rushing to replace the kids switch’s anytime soon. Good luck Nintendo

@Chimmy1024 I'm cautious because of those other things. You know something's very wrong when the platform that has a disc drive as an optional extra (PS5) is more physical-friendly than the newest Nintendo console.

So lemme guess, the added screenshot juxtaposition is supposed to convey that one of these reasonably expectable classics in their respective genres is inferior in artstyle, content or fun factor? Being juvenile in one's online first world rants seems obligatory as usual.

@Darkri74345 this is a fansite. Fans, being addicts, can't just "move on" - which is the very reason they're revolting against both a new financial barrier (default price) and a time barrier (waiting until MKW or other subjects of this passionate discussion start losing a third of said price every few months) gating them off from a new dose of this hedonistic crack. Which also explains why such a lot of them ultimately cough up the price in question despite all the prior "boycott" cries. Heck, this very comparison above could elicit a sane suggestion like "well, uh, just buy and enjoy the cheaper and an equally engaging Ghost of Yotei, the-" - "WHAT? HAVE I NOT WAITED FOR A NEW MARIO KART FOR YEARS?!! AM I NOT ENTITLED TO IT AFTER WHAT IS AN ANTI-CONSUMER RELEASE GAP IN ITSELF?!! YOU NINTENDO BOOTLICKERS REALLY DON'T GET IT, DO YOU?!!"... or something along the lines but you get the idea.😆

Either buy it or don't and stop complaining every time.

@JustMyOpinion

Exactly. All Im really saying is its easy to understand the pricing as it is. They most likely looked at a simple profit maximization matrix and realized they could take more from the consumer to get more overall.

I hate it as much as the next guy, but its not complicated and its not so much as to alter my buying habit in any way. (Id honestly pay $100 for most nintendo games without batting an eye because of their playability and polish)

If the value wasnt there, then they will see sales decline. (Keep in mond though that sales numbers declining doesnt mean a profit decline)

@AhmadSumadi I care nothing about supporting nintendo as a brand. I just look at what im getting and how much its worth to me. How much it cost to make is also irrelevant. Will I get 8$0, $90, $100 out of mario kart? 100%. In 3 years ill still be playing it with my kids. In 3 years will I be playing any sony adventure game regardless of how good it is? No. I loved ghosts of tsushima, got a platinum in it. Havent touched it in a few years and doubt I ever will again.

@Fighting_Game_Loser On a basic level true, but at least in the modern era, in a photorealistic AAA game there's now an expectation of facial performance capture and quality actors that a cartoony game wouldn't have. So even if the effort that went into creating art assets was equivalent (but it definitely is not), realistic games have a huge talent cost than cartoon/stylized games do not.

I just played that Robocop game since it was on PS+ and the facial models are fairly detailed and compare favorably to most AAA PS4-era games, but there's no performance capture and it's crazy how old and cheap it made that game feel in cutscenes.

The Switch 2 cartridges cost more to make than the PS5/Xbox discs. That’s some of the price. All game companies have to price digital games the same as physical or their retail partners will not carry their systems and games. Add in “we know people will pay $70” plus the ‘where else are you going to play Mario Kart’ factor, and you got yourself an $80 game.

Nintendo do make some outstanding games.
But if was to cost the pure resource time on a Nintendo game, when looking at the assets etc of the game etc.

There is no way the Nintendo games costs more to make than day Ghost of Yotei.

Nintendo getting greedy and lazy at times.

I mean look at the switch 2 pro controller, more expensive in the UK than the Sony far more features duelsense controller.

I can’t believe that price for Mario Kart. It’s been essentially the same game for 30 years.

Ghost should be charging $90 and GTA6 could charge over $100 and I wouldn't be against it. I will pay for the best pieces of art in the history of humanity without whining like a little loser. These twitter posters trying to dunk on Mario Kart and rolling their eyes saying it should be in line with ghost at $70, when in reality ghost could justify leap-frogging switch 2 games to $90+

Well, people obviously want to let off steam of just do some fanboy stuff, but actually they are not comparing apples to apples.

Nintendo kept a lower price tag for the Switch games when both Sony and Microsoft did a price hike. Now Nintendo is introducing a new-gen platform and is reconsidering pricing. It's painfully clear that costs went up for everyone. For Pete's sake, the PS5 Pro is 780 EUR in my region and the PS5 Slim Digital has JUST got a price hike, and so did the PS Plus. I have zero doubts that with the next generation PS/Xbox game prices will go up, it's only a matter of the PS5 being actually rather late in it's life cycle that Sony can redistribute game development costs to something else. So did Nintendo with the Switch. Developers that can't do that because they are not platform holders actually sell newer games for 80 EUR here in Europe.

Don't like the price - don't buy it.
Plenty of other games to play.

Nintendo fans always coming out of the woodwork ready to defend whenever their holy company is slandered, no matter what the site. They might have a sixth sense for this sort of thing.

What's so bad about wanting a fair price? Why do you NEVER stand up for yourselves as consumers? Sony and Microsoft have been known to yield if public outcry is too loud but Nintendo knows they can get away with ANYTHING because you'll all roll over on command! Heck many of you will even defend it! I just don't get it. When did consumers lose all respect for themselves?

People will complain about prices and lack of physical games whether it is Nintendo or Sony, but at the end of day, only a small percentage will not purchase these games, majority will complain but still buy. And that is what Nintendo is counting on

I imagine it's more to do with demand. How many units of Mario Kart are going to be shifted? How confident are Nintendo that it's going to be a not insignificant figure?

I hate £60 tags, £50 to boot, but it seems to be simple in principle.

This is good to hear, but I"m sure when the PS6 comes out, games will be priced at $80-$90, and they will still be full of microtransactions and paid DLC. Can you imagine a Ubisoft game a year from now? $90 standard, $130 deluxe, and $180 premium. It would be one thing if Nintendo was struggling, but they had a net profit of 3.25 billion last year. I've been a console gamer since the Intellivision, but this is where I jump off the boat. I've got enough of a backlog to last years. Not supporting this greed anymore.

I guess it depends how much you feel the games are worth I remember importing Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo: Hyper Fighting for the SNES from the states ans it cost me over £60 and that was circa 1992 which was crazy compared to local PAL games but I had no regrets I played the heck out of that game with my mates for ages saved me tons of 10p coins at the arcade lol as much as I don’t like prices if I want something enough I get it otherwise I pass

Does the level of quality for the art/world design justify the price maybe? To me gameplay has to justify a purchase when I see it. Not screenshots showing the world and hiding things like UI/inventories, progression and more cough racing games usually video or shop fronts/box art. XD

Third parties pushing for MTX and more and not balancing their budgets, restructuring, CEOS/pubs down their throats about such money making design, change it, no change back. It's nonsense. Graphics, demands and whatever story telling. Gameplay being there or more Indie experimental (depends on their inspirations too which can be my issue with Indies, their inspirations then prototyping random ideas, but that's a different topic, per dev, per genre, per audience & dev expectations).

They don't show core elements on the box or explanations, just the story/visuals and other fluff. But it varies. Some say genre tags, others say enough to make sense of what a game is like.

People go oh it's expensive. Well does it match what DEVS/PUBS set the prices for?

It's not about hour count it's about the production quality. Does it match? I don't know, maybe it does.

If they restarted many times yeah it sucks but it happens. Prices either justify or they don't for a number of reasons the customer doesn't think about on the behind the scenes front as to WHY it is.

Then again devs that exit a company, go to form their own and go to AA publishers also can't get past their visions and sameyness as their AAA demands but that's on their mentality/their commonality of things being a problem sometimes and I find it hilariously ridiculous. But that's a different topic. They want the same while getting a different experience of access.

Was it the assets, the actors, the devs salaries, the marketing, and much more, changes to the engine, all these things and more they have to account for.

Financial situation for customers or not does it justify it? Do research? Will people? Nope, only a small percentage will the rest will complain and not do the math.

Do I think they need to spend 300+ million on the same or different worlds depends on the studios decisions, priorities, retakes, continued development and more, NOPE. But I'm not the one buying Sony's first party anyway, I look from afar and see enough of what they offer and go if I was into these yeah this and that would make sense for it, and know people that play them but I'm not buying them. I buy niche games or ones I really have interest in. Or ones I have interest in I know I'll never see on shelves again as very few copies or trade ins.

But some justify it, others don't for things they could save time on, how much time they take to make something, when the ideas strike and so on besides the marketing, actors, and more retakes, restructuring the game mid development and so on.

It's amazing how often this site now talks about Switch game prices compared to PS5 but refuses to talk about the cost of PS5 games compared to Game Pass.

Game Pass releases in the last couple of months have easily justified the entire year subscription cost.

I find that release price means very little now as I rarely buy day 1. Buy the game only when its on sale, you are ready to play it and there is nothing else in the queue and most games cost £30 or less. Lords of The Fallen V2 for example cost me around £15 the other day.

@SMJ Why would they talk about the cost of games compared to GP, EA Play, Ubisoft +, NO, PS+ or any subscription. They are all sub services and you are not buying a game. You have given the perfect example of Apples and Oranges.

As to justifying a sub, thats purely subjective for all subscriptions. depending on if you have interest in any of the games, how many and how long you can realistically game each week.

@GirlVersusGame I do the same. I usually wait for a game to drop to 30 bucks or less before I buy it.

@naruball if it’s a live service game no but if it’s a standard game like borderlands Mario kart any game that I can literally play off-line sure