Xbox Has Allegedly Insisted It Won't Stop Making Consoles, As PS5 Port Rumours Mount

The vagueness and circle speak continues. Phil has been a disaster for the XBOX brand! He speaks well and polishes turds better than any front man in the game!

They cant stop making consoles, gamepass is only relevant on the console!

All I can say concerning this whole situation is that you don’t throw around $69 billion without having to, in one way or another, pay the piper.

I wasn't expecting them to stop. If anything they want to coax Sony into bringing PS exclusives to Xbox OR just buy up more studios so Sony can't play the "they're making a multiplat exclusive" card in court.

The money has always been in software. That is why so many companies sell their consoles at a loss.
I just do not see what is in it for MS to keep making the XBox when they can make a fortune on PC, mobile and PlayStation.

@Jimmer-jammer You absolutely can when your parent company is worth over 3 trillion dollars.

They won't abandon making consoles but their games will be on multiple platforms including Playstation, that's their future and only way to make their big games sustainable.

I'm just so curious how they are going to message this whole thing next week.

If this is actually true then NO ONE has ANY single reason ever to buy an Xbox EVER

Going by the recent polls, most people were wanting Gears and Halo, but the games that had the strongest rumours about making their way to PlayStation really didn’t score strongly at all. It really shows that the newer games from Microsoft’s studios don’t really have the punching power of the old titles..

Would be kind of funny if all of this handwringing is just over Hi Fi Rush going multiplat, like THATS the game that’s going to kill the Xbox. 😂

I think they should just rethink their strategy of trying to promote each new big expensive Xbox as the greatest thing ever and just go all in on Gamepass on a $300 box they sell for $200. How many games needed all the power of Xbox Series X while they stupidly tried to make everything playable on Series S? Most companies will make stuff that’s playable on Switch 2 starting next year, there just isn’t a reason for having both the most powerful expensive console and a rental subscription service, the two are at the opposite ends of gaming.

So maybe they drop X, keep S, and put Gamepass on everything?🤷🏻‍♂️

Who in their right mind is going to buy an Xbox when you can get the best of both worlds on one system?

@ryanburnsred console loyalists and devotees? 🤷🏾‍♂️

I saw a rumour somewhere that said they were apparently going to make an enthusiast console, which makes me think it's going to be very expensive, maybe they are just going to charge a high price for it straight out of the gate so they are no longer taking a loss on it and the rumour also stated they'd make a steam deck type handheld as well.

Likely, what will happen is Xbox will be the Game Pass box. They will still keep making consoles and selling Xbox, Bethesda, and ABK games everywhere they can (which is the only way to make up for cratering game sales on Xbox). If you want Game Pass, buy an Xbox or use a PC because Nintendo and Sony are very unlikely to ever let that service cannibalize sales on their consoles, at least as long as Xbox consoles exist. If you can't be bothered with Game Pass, PlayStation will get all the games it used to get from ABK and Bethesda plus Xbox games like Halo and Gears of War. Make no mistake, Xbox console sales will dwindle even further and eventually they won't be able to justify making consoles, but they really backed themselves into a corner with Game Pass.

If Xbox go multi platform with their games they might as well stop making consoles because no one will buy them. What would be the point?

Well they've got that cylindrical disc drive less one in the pipe and they seem to want to jump on the handheld bandwagon, but I don't think we'll see a true next gen PS6 equivalent from them.

I think the chances are slim but it would be kind of funny if after all the rumours the past week, only a handful of smaller titles like Hi-Fi Rush made the jump and it ended up being a bit of a nothing burger.

@ryanburnsred
Exactly, it wil never happen.

This move does strike me as something akin to Schrodinger’s cat theory. They’ll profit in the short term and appease bosses and shareholders but will come at the cost of disintegrating goodwill from those who have invested into their product and cause a lot of uncertainty

@AhmadSumadi he's been excellent for it

@Jey887 😂 Fair enough! The reality is though, folks who value money value every cent. Capital appreciation eventually disappears if future cash flows don’t materialize. On the balance sheet, a liability is a liability regardless of what lipstick it wears, and with the money that’s recently been spent, I suspect the Xbox brand is becoming a mighty big one if they don’t start generating some offsetting cash flow. To stick with the metaphor, the piper has already been stealing the townspeople’s children (shuttered studios and layoffs), so the writing’s on the wall.

I know some PlayStation people are desperate for Xbox to stop making consoles for whatever reason

Isn't likely to happen 🤷

@Styledvinny79 unless that's the eco system they're involved in, where are the games are, friends and gamepass
So theres absolutely reasons to continue

Regarding the Multiple devices comment I think you have to remember that Microsoft has already been releasing games on Steam and Nintendo digital stores. Ori is playable on the Switch and seeing as tho Halo and GOW is available on Steam and the Steam Deck which is a hybrid of a PC and Console it's probably likely what is being referred to here. I could be wrong tho

@Boxmonkey
They'll be Game Pass boxes.

@Jimmer-jammer Gaming has now overtook Windows to become microsofts 3rd biggest business only behind AI and Azure

https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1752452485116018704

@Stickleman being a distant 3rd place in a 3-man race isn’t “excellent” at all.

I'm not a big Xbox fan but I don't want them to stop making consoles. Much of a PS fan I am, I don't want for Sony to dominate the whole console gaming. Competition is necessary for growth. I know Nintendo will also be around for much longer but they're not even bothering with competing and just doing their own thing

We'll see. If they continue making Xbox consoles there is little chance that game pass will be allowed on Playstation and Switch. I don't see how they grow without it.

@ryanburnsred People who have a large library on Xbox.

@Sakai Yea that would be crazy, but also a very bad decision for MS to not stop this irreparable damage of all this negativity they've incurred. That plus Blade not saying exclusive makes me believe there's more to this than just HiFi Rush.

Certainly they don't have to but I'd recommend a lot of people, especially the hardcore Xbox fanboys (not Xbox fans who are for the most part reasonable people who just have a preference), calm down, get some fresh air and just wait a little bit longer here. This isn't a Sega situation, which is the good news because due to its financial status it had to leave hardware, MS only has to drop Xbox consoles if it wants to and I don't see that happening yet. But, we'll know for sure pretty soon. I've always been interested in the business side of gaming because sales are important, in a sense, but I see the numbers than move on. This situation is much bigger than just sales numbers and it's the most intriguing situation since what was going on with Sega over two decades ago now. It's crazy that the big 3 as we currently know it has lasted this long and I hope Xbox continues to stick as a competitor because we need more than just PlayStation in the high-end home console market.

@ryanburnsred The best of both worlds is a pc

@Jey887

You absolutely can't even if your company is worth near 3 trillion dollars. People seem to forget or misunderstand the trillions is the share value, (what it would be to buy out ALL of MS shares) and the people who own those shares want returns on their investments as they don't have those trillions. A CEO is responsible to increase profits for their shareholders, if the gaming division isn't pulling much profit then those shareholders will get noisy.

In another note as microsofts gaming division becomes larger they will also be increasing their expenses. 3 triple AAA games developed in house might keep gamepass profitable but since the acquisition spree I doubt that £13 sub is generating much profit.

I think the main reason for them possibly going multiplatform is because of gamepass not being enough to sustain their multiple releases.

Yeah with 30 million subs and 2-3 first party games per year might just be sustainable but 30 million subs and 4-6 games per year won't be. The more first party games they release the more subs they need to make it profitable and they have already said subs have stopped growing, they now need a new source of income and will be looking at Playstation/Nintendo players for that income.

When thinking about it like that I certainly won't be purchasing any Xbox games that do make the jump.

@Sakai Thanks for the link! I’ve spoken too strongly by referring to Xbox as a liability. The fact remains, based on my understanding of the article, Microsoft paid out of pocket $440 million in losses for $7.1 billion in revenue per quarter after their $69 billion acquisition meaning at the current revenue level, their looking at about 3-4 years before they recoup the purchase price in revenue, not profit, on that deal alone. A disturbing trend of their gsming division buying their revenue with a $440 million dollar loss. That doesn’t translate to money in shareholders pockets outside of mere capital appreciation. That’s not paying the piper.

Edit: adjusted a calculation!

Still making consoles but not focusing on beating Sony in sales fits Microsoft's approach to gaming. Since the Xbox One their approach has been "What else?"
"What else can we get the console to do?"
"What else will gamers want the console to do?"
"What else can we put GamePass on?"
"What else can we do to increase our stake in the industry?"

They focus on everything but the games, leaving that to the developers, and considering making a console their only prerogative.

You'd think having failed to dominate in sales that they would realize "What else?" isn't what gamers, the people buying their consoles, actually want. Instead they've added "What else can we put our games on?" to the list.

All they need to actually do is focus on the console, support their first party devs more and help them make better games!

@Yozora146_
Your logic is sound, but I will also add that Game Pass itself isn't profitable even without factoring in losing game sales directly because of it. Additionally, the Bethesda purchase cost Microsoft more money than they ever made on Xbox. Now add the ABK acquisition that was 10x bigger and the need to greatly expand beyond Xbox becomes apparent.

Not only will it take 20 years or so for ABK to pay itself back, that will get worse because games that were previously not on Game Pass will be. For Microsoft, they are getting the same games they always were, so the only additional revenue they are getting is the extra 70% of a game sale they didn't get before while also incurring 100% of the cost for game development. It will take far beyond 20 years for Xbox to break even from buying ABK and Bethesda.

@UltimateOtaku91 I agree with this. Gamepass, while undeniable value, has become an anchor around big phils neck. It hasnt hit the subscriber numbers they wanted and cannot remain sustainable as it is today.

The catch with this is that there is no real way out of the place they find themselves. If they put a selection of games multiplatform (i do think it will likely be the recent sruff they acquired and not core franchise), they get grief and lose the faith of their community.

The flip side is they come out and say its not sustainable, so price is rising and certain games wont be day one on GP. They lose the faith of some and they likely wont buy the games anyway as they will wait to hit GP.

Then if they pull GP altogether, they lose the faith of gamers and lose out again.

I really dont see a way out of the corner they have backed themselves that doesnt annoy their fanbase.

@Jimmer-jammer When your Daddy is worth $3 Trillion and your Daddy makes $5 Billion a quarter I don't think that $69 Billion will ruin their lives.

On another note, how was this a "hellish" week for Xbox? If they decide to go third party they'll be making billions more dollars from PlayStation and Nintendo fans.

I'm sure lots of people will have worse weeks than this.

Xbox games releasing on the ps5. It's the smart move to be honest as you are getting cash from the PC gamers and ps5 gamers. No game pass on the ps5 means the day one xbox games generate £70 a pop. Its a win for both Microsoft and Sony but ultimately its a win for the gamers.

@__jamiie Yep! Buy market share and have deep enough pockets to set the pace. Whatever happens, it’ll be interesting to see where things go in the coming week.

I really hope Xbox do continue to make consoles.
Sony this generation have in my opinion abused its customers slightly imagine them with even more free rein in the console market.
I know the others followed with price increases etc, but Sony kicked it off and their in house studios last year and also this year so far are hardly giving the big one AAA campaign game wise.
Then again I believe Helldivers 2 is doing great so you can’t blame them gaas wise.

I think this is being overblown and distorted into more than what it is. The rumors themselves never suggested a dissolution of any form of exclusivity nor did they suggest a complete abandonment of hardware.

I think what is truly going to take place is them still retaining a slimmed down hardware aspect alongside a continued focus on their gamepass and cloud platforms with a push toward timed exclusives no different than what Sony is and has been doing with third party games and their first party PC ports. Allowing them to double dip in both console install bases alongside day and date PC base.

Exclusivity, in all reality hurts everybody. When you shell out 69 bill for these studios it just makes sense to release games from such a purchase everywhere to ensure you are getting the most return on such a massive investment.
Take into account Starfield being a huge disappointment, and thus not a system seller, it makes sense to me that they must shift in a new direction. Hell Sony doesn't seem to want to share what's in the pipeline, or even pay any legitimate fan service for that matter.

So in all reality, by the end of the month we will likely no more about Xbox owned cross platform stuff coming to PS5 than we will about anything aside from leaked info coming from Sony first party studios in the near or even distant future..... Strange times indeed

For those who remember Speccy 48 and C64 days, completely different but all games came to all computers. Choice of system was the main thing not the game you were playing. I liked those days.

Can't we wait even this one week without milking this topic? All those rumors and speculations will be obsolet when Microsoft drops their "event". Why not discuss it then? This is all such a waste of time and energy -.-'

@GeminiReign was never a Speccy fan. C64 all the way having to have the controller just right so you could tap space. 😂 The Last Ninja, which started my love of gaming.

@Amppari There is Game Pass for PC though, which has almost the exact same library

I’m assuming Microsoft will come out with a streaming device as their base model to help move gamepass subscriptions and a high end next gen console as their performance model.
We will see how it works.. but this just an assumption.

I know physical software for them seems to be not a proiority and having retail stores like Walmart to stop selling Xbox games, if true, then it seems to fit a digital only future for them.

@Styledvinny79 we have a pc in the house and we actually regifted a Series S we got for Christmas 😅 it’s already a tough sell imho

@Styledvinny79 I have a feeling that Xbox will be sticking to their S-tier console in the future. A lower spec, discless 'Series S' console in place of an 'X' to compete with Sony. Price would be the main attraction with that and Game Pass.

The rumor is 2026 with a higher power box in the vain of the Series X or PS5 and a lower powered handheld that can dock to a tv/monitor similar to the Switch. Basically, the same as now but the Series S will be switch-like device.

The Starfield rumor sounds pretty dead right now too. XboxEra walked it back to "it was being discussed" and Nate the Hate full on says it is not being ported.

Their 'Play Anywhere' slogans and marketing talk always bugged me since you couldn't actually play their games anywhere and Microsoft were actively taking away multiplatform games by buying up studios but hey it looks like they meant it.

@GeminiReign ooh check you and the plus 4!!! Awesome but confused machine that one. Speccies were a British fave and really did bring games home. Keyboard was bad on the 128 mind.

I would rather see them make ports for Nintendo.

@TheCollector316 Are sure about that? There is a thing called assets that are added to a balance sheet.

Xbox are not going 3rd party. Statement released today states they have no plans to abandon console.
Also the rumors of exclusives to PS is false. The OG leaker NatetheHate has released a post saying its all false and must have been a bad actor spreading rumors. Lol. So calm down ppl, Xbox ain't going nowhere. But you can have Hi-Fi rush and Sea of Thieves if you like. 😉

@cburg I am fairly sure. Granted, I'm a financial analyst for a bank, not Microsoft, but I am certain they want/need to recoup the ~$80B they spent on acquisitions, especially since they overpaid for both ABK and Bethesda and are not getting ~$80 in assets from them (not that it would matter if they did get 100% of money added to their assets).

@jedinite uh he said the starfield rumor might not be true , but ms is still making games for ps5.

Anyone who has been in corporate knows what “no plans” means. It’s a very open ended statement that doesn’t bring a strong sense of security.

$75 billion is more than 3x any other Microsoft acquisition in the company’s history. They may be worth more than $3 trillion, but shareholders are going to want visible returns on the largest acquisition in Microsoft’s history. Xbox be damned.

@twitchtvpat it remains to be seen which games or how many. If I had to guess I would say more than half will remain exclusive to xbox/pc. If it's not going to be starfield, it puts the other "AAA" size titles in doubt. Guess we will find out next week but if the starfield rumor was false then they obviously won't be fully 3rd party.

My big takeaway from the recent rumor is if not starfield, why not? It puts the all Bethesda titles theory to bed and casts doubt on other big titles. Makes me wonder if it's only going to be AA, live service, remasters, etc.

@Jimmer-jammer Microsoft just crossed a $3T market cap and they still have almost $150B cash on hand. Their market cap is higher than the GDP of France. They're doing quite fine....

@Stickleman That's like saying Lambo owners want Hyundai to stop making cars...I can only speak for myself, but I couldn't care less if Xbox makes consoles or not.

News: "allegedly". Fascinating stuff.

@GeminiReign where as I started with an Acorn Electron and moved to the C64

@Frmknst There is still a Sega brand i would know why they could not do that .

@SgtTruth I played a full Generation on my PS4 i made it just fine with the PS5 again i have to look what the extra is you for buying a PS5 Pro first.

@ryanburnsred if Games Pass hits PlayStation then you have a point. But why would current Xbox users who don't pay full price for Microsoft's first party games go to PlayStation to pay full price for them 😅. As long as Games Pass & third party publishers stick around then Xbox hardware is still a viable product for consumers.

@Yozora146_ MS gaming revenue is now bringing in more money than Windows.
Whether they make more consoles or not, gaming will be one of the biggest areas for MS now and in the future.
How they go about it we will see but I suspect we will hear very little this week at all.
A quick update to confirm the new all digital Series X and confirmation of Hi Fi Rush and SoT coming to PE5.
And that will be it.

@cragis0001 This is the key point and really the only point. If they keep Game Pass and make consoles then fine. If they put game pass onto PS5 - they won’t as Sony won’t allow it for a start - then yes, that would make Xbox consoles pointless.

@GeminiReign you're in good company.

@BaldBelper78 I’d be very curious what revenue MS bring in in 12months time. Because if everything does keep going day1 ( or because you know early access) and most games become exclusive.

How much is revenue going to drop? Or will it genuinely push it higher?

Xbox wants to keep making hardware, lets see if Microsoft agrees with that... and they don't.
I'm not even kidding, shareholders are pissed with the performance of the hardware division, both Surface and Xbox failed to turn profit or gain market share.

@jedinite certainly some exclusives will go to playstation. They wouldn't schedule a business update otherwise. The question is which games and how long of an exclusive window will they have on xbox.

Just a guess on my part but I'm thinking it's mostly going to be smaller games and at least a year delay.

The key thing is its not every game and there is still incentive to buy xbox hardware. The industry isn't going go be changing drastically like many assumed. Not sure why everyone went immediately to the assumption of full 3rd party, no more hardware, etc.

Errr, I mean…has anybody ever been excited to play Starfield? They can surely keep it close to their chest, especially if it stops Xbox hardcore fans from losing their sanity online as it’s been going on for a week or so.

I have a gaming PC, Switch, and PS5, but no Xbox. I bowed out after several RRODs in the 360 era. However, I think having multiple consoles benefits everyone in gaming and would hate to see MS ever stop making them.

@BaldBelper78 I'm aware about the revenue generated by the gaming arm of MS with the ABK aqusition however as many have said and myself it doesn't mean that particular division is producing much profit, it does highlight how important gaming will be to MS though.

@PsBoxSwitchOwner With COD alone they will bring in even more money with it being on PE5. In fact they will bring in more money from the PS5 version than Xbox.
That’s why they will bring more games to more platforms.
It’s all about money. And nothing else.

@LifeGirl Bulk of money comes from software, but modern day consoles are not sold at loss. Yes, initial batches go into red, but the very next silent hardware revision sets things on the right path, ending up with profits at the end of lifespan.

Sony publishes the numbers, and because Xbox hardware is mostly similar you can be sure things are working out the same way for them. And Switch bill of materials speaks for itself.

@Amzoral PC GAMERS PLAY ON STEAM

Microsoft is not as much eager to spread it's games across other platforms, as it's trying to get anti-monopoly lawsuits of it's back.

That's why Diablo 4 is now on Steam, even though Blizzard has kept the IP exclusive to it's own launcher since ... forever.

That's why it's gonna launch many of it's other exclusives on different platforms.

Doesn't mean it's bugging out of the console business, Xbox will continue to get new revisions.
But it's easy to see that as a consequence to it's 69bil $ buyout, it has to make some... concessions, in order to avoid future possible lawsuits.
And by far the cheapest way is to get it's most (if not all) of it's internally-made games, to be multiplatform. And no, PC is not enough. They own Windows, remember? PC doesn't really count, it HAS to be the other consoles in order to really matter, even if they are actually competitors.
And this way, no one will be able to say: "Microsoft buys all gaming studios to make most games on the market exclusive to Xbox".
In the end, what exactly do they have to lose?
Did they sell so many Xbox Series that if they are gonna stop having exclusives, many will no longer buy their hardware? No, Xbox Series consoles are selling ... what ... 1 to 3-4 sold PS5's?
Is all of their income based on revenue from Xbox exclusivity or from console sales? No, they earn so much from the Game Pass service, and from other sources (software, etc) - the rest is dwarfed by comparison.
If anything, this is gonna increase the sales of it's self-made games, which will actually benefit them in the long run...
Gaming-wise, concentrating on being first and foremost publishers and service providers, is what they are aiming for for the future of the Xbox brand.

heres the thing , people can sit on here and say i've heard this or that. but in reality , ms is holding the event this week , so no need to listen to rumors when you can just watch that and see what they plan for yourself.

If they want to sell consoles and make games/offer them on other platforms. How it that not impossible? Sega did PC ports during the Saturn if people know that then their console only mindset.

But thing is Gamepass or TV apps are probably fine. Palworld, Brotato and more are on Gamepass. If recent particular titles get people using it or the odd other major third parties then Xbox access is one thing but TV apps/phones/PC is another. The Xbox is just a device for access to it. People can buy it or not it's just there.

To me the reason to own an Xbox is as a CD player app (Sony doesn't allow that on PS4/5), a blu-ray player (sure you can do that with a PS4/5 but people go for streaming services of course which you can get an Apple TV box or using a Smart TV for anyway) and back compat being the more suitable reason. Or physical games for cheap that were for Xbox One and the prices digital on the Xbox Store aren't enough. If you want current games and don't care how you play them then by all means Gamepass. Not all back compat games are on Gamepass many are only available digital/physical on the console.

Same way a Blu-ray player or a streaming service is an option to watch a movie it's access still digital or physical to still access whatever.

We will see with the event and what they say. I'm fine either way I'll use either of the 3 consoles. Thing is I barely use my Xbox One. Other than Demon Turf physical only on Xbox (wasn't interested in a digital purchase for it on Switch/PS consoles) or Project Cars 3 everything else hasn't been Smart Delivery it's been OG/360 back compat, CD/blu-ray watching TV shows or Xbox One games that's it.

No gamepass. They can push trends/certain RPGs all they want, but Sony got me to buy Valkyrie Elysium on PS4, I bought many Square Enix 2022 titles on PS4, they weren't exclusive other than Elysium. I'm not usually one to buy Square titles. I just saw appealing games, genres I was into and that's it. I got them cheap in 2023. I was fine with waiting for them then immediate access to them.

I don't usually care for Square titles but they had some tactics RPGs and hack n slashes (not cinematic focus of Ryse, GOW or Hellblade) and I bought up and enjoyed them or was disappointed Diofield Chronicles went story then gameplay fun after Chapter 4 and they gave up trying and padded the game.

If Microsoft wanted to they could have more than just the Halo TV show (which I am watching) and books they could their other IPs more if they wanted to not just porting the games. Whether they do or not who knows. They can expand on IPs in multiple ways.

Crackdown or State of Decay could be TV shows/books if they wanted to. PGR street racing, Forza Horizon with it's festivals, Forza Motorsport if they wanted to, Blinx or Voodoo Vince even. Viva Pinata had a tv show.

Sony has PC ports. They all have mobile games or getting there trying again with mobile games since the Halo Spartan Assault/Strike era of Xbox One/360. Compared to Sony's cellphone Ratchet Going Mobile/God of War Betrayal to PS Allstars Island/PS mobile alongside PS Vita to WipEout Rush happening then dying/Fate GO and Sackboy Run.

For the sake of the cloud/deals with ABK even. If they port Bethesda titles or ABK titles then sure. Their own IPs outside those that are current sure I guess if they have the time/interest to do it they have the money to do it.

@TheCollector316 Incorrect. Game Pass makes money.

https://www.vgchartz.com/article/459235/phil-spencer-game-pass-is-profitable-spends-over-1-billion-to-add-3rd-party-content-to-game-pass/#:~:text=Sign%20up%20today!-,Phil%20Spencer%3A%20Game%20Pass%20is%20Profitable%2C%20Spends%20Over%20%241%20Billion,Content%20to%20Game%20Pass%20%2D%20News&text=Microsoft%20Gaming%20CEO%20Phil%20Spencer,the%20service%20itself%20is%20profitable.

@Secryt
Don't be fooled, my friend. "Financially viable" and "profitable" are not the same thing. It's like when Fibbin' Phil said Game Pass was "sustainable." When you're a $3T company, just about anything is financially viable and sustainable. You'll keep hearing Phil say words other than "profitable" to give himself wiggle room and ambiguity without violating fiduciary obligations.

You'll see the truth soon. Game Pass is costing them so much money in lost game sales, which wipes out most of what they claim to make from Game Pass subscriptions. They have no choice but to expand to other platforms (beyond PC, which they already did and it wasn't enough).
Stay tuned.

XBox may not be going away, but I still think this will be the last gen of XBox as we know it.

I own all the systems but Lol that it still bothers PlayStation fans that some gamers prefer playing on Xbox. "They're not in their right mind!". Lol

@BaldBelper78 I could see Games Pass on PS5 being like EA Access. But Games Pass on Xbox stays the same. I guess we will get a better answer later today.

@TheCollector316 your logic is flawed. Sony financed there own projects with the money made from COD, Fifa, GTA & other sales from the PlayStation store. Microsoft will be doing the same as well. Plus money from Games Pass subs, Steam sales & now the Activision Blizzards deal has cleared mobile micro transactions from King's games.

@cragis0001
https://mattjarviswriting.wixsite.com/mjjmedia/post/is-gaming-doing-as-well-as-we-think

@cragis0001
There is nothing flawed about it.