Project Q, the very recently revealed and arguably necessary handheld streaming companion to PS5, is allegedly coming sooner than we might have anticipated, according to a notable newsmaker. We knew it was coming this year, but that window appears to have narrowed still further.
Tom Henderson of Insider Gaming reports that Project Q (formerly known by the codename Q Lite, which Insider Gaming exclusively lifted the lid on last month) will supposedly be out in November. While Henderson and Insider Gaming have proven trustworthy previously, it's always worth remembering that plans can change, and nothing is set in stone. We'll report back (frequently, no doubt) in the coming months to be sure.
When do you think we get our grasping hands on Project Q? Are you interested in this latest portable offering from Sony? Order your hottest takes to go in the comments section below.
Preferred a Traditional Handheld instead where you can download games to play on the go........ This type of device has mainly of no use where I live in country like India ......
If it has the ability to download and play ps4 and ps5 games digitally only and off PS Plus Premium and Extra. I would no doubt get it. But as it is right now form what we know. Hard pass.
I just don't understand why this exists in this form. Yet the tone deaf mgmt talks about a major push into cloud gaming.
No one asked for this.
We are absolutely the problem here and there's really no other way to deny it. people just continue to buy Sony's garbage even when it's not fully supported. even when they are treating their customers like nothing more than marks to Milk. we continue to buy their garbage so they continue to find new useless short term profit gaining things for the hive mind to consume. Everything this does you can do with a laptop, tablet, or with a phone and backbone.
Until people start advocating for change with their spending habits Sony is going to continue to release these gimmicky cash grab, useless peripherals and gaming Endeavors. we have got to stop buying it and these two faced gaming sites need to stop marketing and deceiving their patrons up until release day; Only after, rightly criticizing it. it's just disgusting.
We are the problem and the solution.
I honestly want to see some positive impressions for this thing. I mean, anyone out there that is actually hyped for this. So far the reactions seem to be nearly universally negative, to the point I would not be shocked if this was canceled outside of Japan.
Shame it can’t even run retro PlayStation stuff directly on it. It was never going to run newer stuff, as the price would be astronomical to get that into a a handheld form, but you can buy devices for pretty cheap now that run 1, PSP and 2 (2 starts to get a bit higher).
A streaming handheld device that no one wants, and the Ubisoft-style GaaS that will be shut down in a year... Now I want to ask the ponies who have defended Jim Ryan, do you want to continue to defend him?
This would be cool if it functioned somewhat like the Wii U, with the screen acting as a map viewer or inventory menu.
But strictly as a streaming device? I can’t see the reason to buy this, when I have 3 other devices that could run remote play with a DualSense hooked up by Bluetooth. Besides the fact that if I’m playing a game on my PS5, I’m playing it on my TV with surround sound, not on a handheld.
I would have no use for it at all, especially not at the price Sony would be charging for it.
No thanks I'd have bought Vita 2 though
This is not at all what I was expecting would be releasing this Fall...
I guess we'll be waiting until 2024 now for a PS5 Slim or Pro.
I am dumbfounded that Sony looked at the WiiU, one of Nintendo's worst selling console of all time, and thought, "Hey! Let's do that!"
It’s not even usable in the United States either.
Contrary to popular belief, once you leave, a major city our over the air Internet service turns into complete crap.
My Nintendo switch plays games without an Internet connection.
I’ll just stick with that. This is such a waste of resources.
It cant even play cloud game from ps+ premium what is the point
I prefer playing PS5 games on TV.
PS4 Slim / Pro in year 2024 ?
I just watched the short reveal video and a vision passed through my mind. It was Slim Pickens on horseback riding on stage past Jim Ryan and saying "what in the wide wide world of sports is a going on here"? My next thought was, is this an Onion News sketch?
Some questions: does it play everything like apps, the gallery, and web if the PS5 had a web browser?
Is there a stand for it along with being able to use a regular controller so It can be played non hand-held? Why not compatible with PS4? How is this better than using a 10 inch android tablet with a DualSense to play a PS5?
For me the disappoint is that this was revealed and not a slim PS5 model. For those that wanted a hand-held they too are disappointed as this is not what they wanted.
Lot of people unhappy about this... but now i can sit on the porch and smoke a cigar and stream the ps5 so its a day 1 for me.
@Anti-Matter Typo, meant to say PS5.
As a brand new father of a newborn, I will get it. Sometimes I don’t have time to fire up the 70inch OLED, the gaming headset and the ps5. The sheer portability to stream ps5 games is useful to me. Everybody is different in their situations of course
I did enjoy how Jim announced this
"Innovation is our passion, and that applies to not just what games you play, but how you play them"
So here's pretty much what Nintendo did a decade ago
That aside its not a product for me but anyone else getting it, I hope you enjoy it
I would much rather have a portable PS3 than this :/
@Tharsman I wouldn't say that I'm hyped for it, but it is definitely on my radar depending on the price and the specs. Especially if it can access cloud gaming in the future. I have three kids so playing on a TV isn't always an option for me, especially depending on the game, but assuming it works a bit better than the current remote play, I'd definitely be interested. To me, it's also a better option than using my phone. I don't enjoy the wonky setups for phones so this really could fill a need.
@Tharsman couldn’t agree with you more. Why didn’t they just show the features of the machine and allow people to make up their minds. Now Project Q might be Project Cancelled 🙈
@PhantomMenace84 you’re talking my language as I’ve two kids and same boat as you.
My only concern is when you start up the PS5 it’s turns on the TV and as I’ve lots of disc based games, do I then need to have the right disc in and switch off the tv still allowing me to play (very messy!)
Whats thedifrences using backbone on my cellphone to stream from ps5 to my cellphone, and this what can be diffrent
@Luigia to avoid the PS5 turning on the TV, I have a HDMI switch so I just change inputs if I do decide to try some remote play, then change it back to the PS5 if I need to. It works nicely, I have plenty of HDMI ports but it was how I set up the PSVR so I could hide all of the wires and never mess around with cords when I wanted to play VR.
People should calm down, wait for more info and treat this for what it is... a slightly more advanced dualsense controller. Is it what we wanted, of course not. I'd love to see a proper ps4 capable portable.
At the same time, if it costs as much as let's say two regular controllers, handles remote play flawlessly and also does psplus game streaming, it could be a viable product. Of course if it's beyond 200€$£ then Sony should go f*** itself and we should let them know it.
The Vita 2 died for this.
I'd be ok with this if remote play itself wasn't so *****. I have a hard time connecting to it on a wired 1GB connection within my same house left alone trying to connect wirelessly from somewhere else.
I am intrigued though if the display runs some OS like android, and what the hacker/homebrew community can do with this device.
@Lugia the PS5 doesn’t send control signals over HDMI during Remote Play so it shouldn’t turn on your TV.
I am sure Sony has developed features for Project Q to differentiate it from an Android tablet with a DualSense glued to it running Remote Play.
Some likely suspects: deep console integration, seamless transition between remote play and big screen, HDR, VRR, highly optimized streaming. Since they own both ends of this system they can do things that would not be possible on a generic tablet/phone setup.
If they have done this AND have managed to do it at a reasonable price point they may have a hit on their hands.
@Tharsman I'm looking forward to it. Could I use my phone instead? Sure, but if I'm mid game and someone rings me, I'm screwed.
People saying "I'll just use my TV with surround sound blah blah" obviously forget that some of us live with our partners and don't always have access to the TV. I won't say I'm excited for it because I don't know the price yet but if it's a good price, I'll get it.
@Anti-Matter I also prefer the TV but some people like me live with our partner so we can't always use the TV.
@PhantomMenace84 thanks for the tip 👍🏻 A mate told me to disable CEC which stops the PS5 switching the TV on. Still unsure if I need the disc in the machine to play remote play games?
Well if it cost more than half the price of PS5 i don't see it flying off the shelves
@croaker_1 nice words here. I’m not overly negative towards the machine and keen to see a price, which I feel will be £199-£250, else it just won’t sell. Hell you can buy a Dualsense Edge for £220
I have a PS5 and a 55” 4K TV but sure let’s play my games on a crappy screen with horrendous input lag.
Now if it was a Vita 2 I’d be on board.
@Luigia I personally like It turning on my TV and sound system so the HDMI switch works best for me. As for the disk, you would need it for remote play. For me, I pretty much know what I'm going to play if I'm using remote play so I have the disk in anyway. One cool thing is that sony is doing away with separate disk and digital downloads, meaning, if you have the disk but the game becomes available on plus, any tier, or you purchase a digital license, you won't have to use the disk anymore. So if you use plus that would alleviate that problem.
If you can at least play PS NOW games without the playstation them maybe I will take it but to just have a handheld and to play with it only at home where i have a TV is ... I think if does not evolve it will sell very bad (under PS VR2).
They should have just made a new PSVITA. Combine it with PS+ and you will have something that might appeal to alot of people.
I see people asking ask for Vita 2 but come on, as much as I would also love it, nobody would buy it and Sony would quietly abandon it.
A device like Project Q would make some sense if it was cheap and you could so cloud of 5g streaming or some sort of direct connection, without wifi, like the Wii U or the Vita.
A handheld PS4 pro would have been a massive joy.
@belmont there was a rumour on Reddit (so pinch of salt) that it will be £350.
@Stormageddon Yikes, this is as much as a Steam Deck (410 € here). If this is indeed the case Project Q is dead on arrival.
Bit of an overreaction, lol. If the wife wants to watch the TV, or I’m in bed and don’t want to get up, I can see this being something I could whip out as being more convenient than trying to prop up a phone while holding a connected dualsense.
Probably won’t buy it, unless it’s maybe only £30 more than a standard controller, because the remote app Sony use isn’t up to scratch and I don’t think I’ll be able to download a third party one to this, but to say it’s useless is overstating things just a tad, lol.
Now, if it was 5G connected it would be more useful, but locked to WIFI only is a big miss.
And criticising a company for wanting to make money is a little silly. It’s not like people are forced to buy it. If you think you’ll get use out of it then do so, if not then don’t, Sony will then stop making them. It’s not like it’s a platform people buy into and they want new games continuously made for it, it’s a controller and screen you can connect your PS5 to. Calm down.
Is that an official picture of the handheld?
200-300 bucks for something that becomes a brick without internet access? Pass. Waste of money.
What's the quickest thing to ever get cancelled with Sony? This is probably going to take the #1 spot though. Absolutely shocking how completely out of touch Sony have become with this kind of thing.
Anyway, how does remote play meant to work? Times I've tried in the past, it HAS to be connected to the same local network, ie the same WiFi connection. My internet downloads at about 10mb/s on a good day so it's nowhere near strong enough.
I'd happily stream off my 5G on my phone or something but then the device can never find my PS5 because they're running on 2 different networks.
I'd go out on a limb, and say that 99% of handheld Nintendo Switch usage takes place within the same house that the dock is located in.
So in that regard, this device has potential. What it desperately needs is a Stadia/GF Now streaming capability, so that it can be used in other locations with internet access (let's argue about whether hotel Wifi is good enough for that another day).
I suspect it will have such a facility, but Sony don't want to be talking about Cloud streaming, because of the ludicrous decision in the UK to block the Activision deal on streaming grounds.
If Sony had a portable streaming device and MS didn't, that wouldn't look good.
Of course before such a feature would be usable, Sony would actually have to produce a streaming service that wasn't a laughably bad joke.
@PC_Peasant Why so agressive, peasant?
@icecube You are confusing cloud streaming and remote access.
Cloud streaming is the game running on a server a hundred miles away, and being streamed over the internet to your house, with your controller inputs being sent back up the internet.
Remote access for this device does not use the internet at all. Your PS5 streams it over your local home network. So it's independent of your internet.
Your internet might be 10mb, but sending data from one device to another simply over your router, will be ten times faster.
Even Geforce Now on a good internet connection can stream 4K 60fps excellently.
So long as your router is up to snuff, you can expect a good experience unless you are playing in a wifi dead spot. In which case get a booster.
Cloud is 'unlikely' to be the Main Platform of Choice for dedicated gamers. It may become more 'popular', but only because its much more accessible and shouldn't be as 'costly' as Hardware based gaming - but because its 'cheap' and 'accessible' will likely reach those on a more tight budget and/or more 'casual' gamer who can't justify the costs of Hardware gaming.
At 'best', its a 'complimentary' way to play games in places these games would never be playable and on hardware not capable of running the game locally. You are willing to 'tolerate' playing on 'small' screens, putting up with Lag/Latency and even not really caring too much about the Compression artefacts (especially as the screen is small) - because its the 'only' way to play that game in that 'situation'. If you could play 'locally' anywhere, be able to play in areas when Wifi is intermittent or worse etc, that would be preferred but you'll still have a more powerful 'home' set-up - Like a PC or PS5 - to play games at their 'best'.
This is just an 'extension' of the PS5, essentially a more 'elaborate' DS5 with a screen instead of TouchPad to 'connect' to your PS5 to play games remotely. At least with Steam Deck, Switch, RoG Ally etc, they have the option to play locally - which I prefer as 'wifi' is not great 'everywhere'.
Why even bother when this portable can't even play games locally. Unless its priced no more than $150, this (non) portable will be dead on arrival.
@croaker_1 This is more or less how I've been thinking about it too.
If it's a smooth experience and if it's landing at around 200 euro I'll definitely consider it. I can see myself playing Octopath Traveller II or FF Pixel Remaster on it while the missus watches telly.
Jim, you better deliver smooth & flawless (and I mean 0 framerate drops) remote play experience. If you do that, people will buy the Q, if you don't, people won't buy it. Why? Because its sole purpose is remote play.
Also, you better not add any asterisk footnotes saying "you must have a 10/10 wi-fi connection and a 999$ router to pull it off". People don't have it, people won't have it, people don't care. It's on you to pull it off with your groundbreaking engineering.
I'm sure you'll deliver, no pressure.
@thefourfoldroot1 Voice of reason.
The more I think about it the more uses I'm picturing for it.
Sitting outside under the trees with this thing in the summer would be bloody nice.
I remember setting our old crt up outside in the 90s to play OG RE2 in the sunlight. Was too afraid to play it inside at the time.
Couldn't see the screen because of the sunlight of course.
Bit of a tangent there for anyone who wants it. The closer I get to my 40s the more tangents I seem to go off on.
What were we talking about?
Ah yes. Gaming in the 90s... 😌
I play a lot of Remote Play but I'd only consider buying this if Sony pushes 3rd Party Developers to consider it more. I can play something like GOW with zero issues but a relatively lightweight Indie can have it dropping out every few minutes. And it's not an internet speed issue or connection either.
Thins thing looks just ugly!
🤗 I am definitely in for this thing.
In November you say? So this is the actual "drive-less PS5 console" Sony was rumored to launch this year?
Can't get any slimmer than that, I guess...
@tameshiyaku I was waiting for the price of this. I have a steam deck, and it runs Chiaki4Deck flawlessly so I probably have no need for this
@KidRyan I don't know why anyone is in a rush for a new SKU.
This needs to be able to play the cloud based plus games too to get my interest at least
@lankieBD also have chiaki running on the deck. Works well, but sometimes there are booting hiccups after a steam os update. Usually solved after a reboot, but still annoying coming from the console space. Also the setup with the PlayStation ID using a python script was slightly cumbersome.
@thefourfoldroot1 Yeah this website is honestly so hostile and negative these days. Apparently if something isn't specifically made for you it is garbage and nobody should support it. Truth is that there is going to be some people out there really looking forward to it. Is it going to be the biggest thing ever? Probably not but it's an option out there for some people who have their TV taken up a lot and don't have a second one to play on. People really need to relax. I think this is carrying over because people didn't get their Bloodborne 2 or whatever they wanted at the Showcase.
@tameshiyaku That's true, there are a few update issues, but they can be easily fixed, but I agree, the initial setup is annoying and hard for those who aren't familiar with python or using Linux. Sony should set this at a low price point because its essentially making a device solely for remote play, and most of us already have another device to play remotely whether it be a phone, tablet or PC/Laptop using the app.
There was a time when I would have used a device like this (back when I was using the Vita to remote play - the main TV wasnt exclusively for me to use)
But then came the Switch to cover times when I couldnt use the TV. And now the Steam deck.
It makes it worse that you can remote play using most TVs/Tablets paired with a controller.
Feels like a product they should have pulled the plug on when they made the decision to allow remote play on most devices with a screen.
That said at the right price Id consider one (£99)
Couldn't agree more! Let's just wait and see how much this thing will cost..
All depends on price for me. Anything more than a £100 as expected just seems extremely unnecessary
@Luigia You can turn that off in HDMI settings.
@PC_Peasant "no one wants"? I want so that statements wrong. Some of us have wives or partners that use the TV so whats wrong with a device that streams games?
People are acting like Sony is forcing everyone to buy it.
When I played on my Switch I had it on the dock by the TV 99% of the time, with the 1% being the rare occasions where I'd rather play laying on bed over sitting at the sofa. And I don't really game when I'm outside so the whole "bring the games with you" point is moot in my case.
So yeah, I can't imagine myself paying for the opportunity to play PS5 on a handheld. The thing looks neat, though.
@KaijuKaiser Was just saying the same thing the other day.
It seems like we're at that point where if a big game hasn't been released this week or if what you've announced is not exactly what someone wanted, you're failing and everyone is furious.
The whole point of what Sony are doing atm is to bring variety and to find their own first party money printer. That money being what they use to make the single player games.
If it's not cries about everything they do being third person cinematic experiences it's cries about how they're doing something different that someone doesn't want.
Look at Nintendo - Mario Kart, Zelda, Splatoon to name a few. Evergreen franchises that are completely different to each other.
A platform needs that variety. It's why I love my Switch and I'll always have a Nintendo system beside my TV.
People don't have to like what is being announced and there are some legit concerns out there too (Fairgames$ is very confusing to me still), but the absolute fury you see and how quickly people seem to be forgetting the stellar library of single player games that already exists on PlayStation is very tiring.
A mix of GaaS and single player doesn't mean no more single player btw. It means more titles overall. At least that's why I assumed they were buying those extra studios + Bungie 🤷
I saw a conversation on this site last night where one person created a new account to tell another that they were not a real gamer because they weren't concerned about PlayStation atm...
@lankieBD absolutely, it's gotta be well affordable, have some additional features and work completely seamless, like popping the switch out of the dock. An experience that's also rather clunky with the steam deck. Can't deny the bliss of emudeck though, love it.
Hopefully someone will hack the software and it'll be easier to stream to the vita from the ps5, that it is now ,its a massive pain at the minute
So this device can't be used like outdoors outside of WiFi? What's the point then.
If it fails miserably, they'll be forced to cut the price and I'll buy one then.
I'm actually pretty interested. I use cloud streaming a lot for accessibility around the house etc. I use PS5 remote play on several devices. If this is cheap and comfortable and can be used beyond just PS5 game streaming (e.g. Android gaming, other streaming services) then I may pick one up. Yes, I'm lucky enough to have solid wifi and my family life means handheld gaming is just a reality of fitting games in.
That said, there are already a lot of options out there - the Logitech G Cloud is expensive but a great device. The Absxylute is about to launch that does the same thing. Plus you have various cheaper options like the Retroid Pocket 3+ out there. Not to mention your phone.
@Rudy_Manchego I'm curious if those have haptic feedback, though.
I just don't know what need this is meeting. If it were over a 5g connection, I could see it. You could have your system on at home and play anywhere. But this is over Wifi. Meaning I'm sitting in my house somewhere, playing on this thing... why? Because someone else is using the TV. Meaning that this is already a less preferrable way to play.
Sure, adding haptic is nice. But I'm already not as immersed as I would be while playing on a TV. AND I can buy a backbone on Amazon right now for $100. All I am losing is haptic.
Depending on price this could be worth it... but people are saying around $200. I'm not sure having a dedicated screen and haptic is worth an extra $100.
Just give me a native remote play app on Steam Deck. Even for $20 I'll buy it
@MattBoothDev PS5 is 3 years old, that's why. We need newer console gaming hardware.
interesting, could be useful. but man that design looks stupid.
My main issue would be the joysticks. i got 3 ps5 controllers, all of them ended up with drifting within the first year. Everyone i know has drifting issues with their ps5 controllers.
So, is that projectQ thing going to drift in a year ? probably.
Those controllers arent cheap to replace or fix, and that tablet feels like its gonna end up being costly too.
I am just curious how this is any different than using Remote Play on my laptop (since a DualSense is required anyways).
I will buy it, I will love it and I think I deserve it
@twenty90seven Yes it is, it's the shot from the Showcase.
@B_Lindz This is the second time they decided to copy the WiiU. The first was when they tried to turn the Vita into this instead of an actual handheld. This is the second time where they apparently decided Vita was so successful as a remote play companion they should make an even bigger Vita that doesn't play games by itself at all.
I'm debating whether to forever refer to this as the "PS Vita XL" or the "PiiQ".
@Tharsman It's telling that you and I are the market they made this for more than 90% of the people here, and we still have less than 0 interest in this particular product.
@PhantomMenace84 For context, both Tharsman and I have Logitech G Clouds. It's the same overall machine, screen is 1" smaller, and it of course lacks the DS5's haptics. But we're comparing a device that does nothing but PS5 remote play, and MAYBE (but so far unconfirmed) PS Plus Prem cloud play vs a device that can play any cloud platform, and remote play any console/PC, and still be able to play emulators and such locally. For likely around the same price (if not cheaper.)
I also have a Retroid Pocket (the same one Sammy had an article on a while back doing....exactly this....) to have a small pocket-sized unit for all the same types of reasons.
A PS-ONLY, local RP-focused (i.e. not cloud, not other competing services) device playing at the same price range is the part that's madness. The hardware itself looks....interesting....the large screen is probably very nice, but it's a platform locked version of a thing where multiplat versions already exist. If Sony's hardware division decided to make money selling a UNIVERAL game streaming device better than all others, I think it could have been a good product. But they didn't, they tried to make it a PS-locked device in a market that already exists for universal devices.
My fear with this though is the existence of it will make them go out of their way to break existing universal RP solutions so that if you want PS RP you have no choice but to buy their large proprietary RP device, or, say, never make a mobile cloud client so that you have to buy their own hardware for PS mobile cloud (which then annihilates their cloud ambitions.)
Just make a dedicated SteamDeck App.
Exactly... charge whatever profit margin you get selling this nonsense. $20 is probably more than that.
I love my SteamDeck - have no need for more hardware in my travel bag anytime soon
@Rudy_Manchego It'll probably be 150+. It'll likely leave everyone asking "Why not release a full handheld at that price point". I think this will turn a lot of people off. I also think many will ask why they need this over just using their phone or tablet with a controller. So I'm not sure there is a market for this. I'm interested in it, but the price is a huge question mark, since I use remote play to grind games like Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster so when I come back to the PS5 I can just play the story.
So I'd wait till sony dumps the inventory before grabbing it. We might be able to get these things for 25 or 50 dollars if it bombs as hard as the PSTV.
That being said, be prepaired to buy more than one.
Now if this thing has TV out and can dock, then let me use a Dual Sense to play, allowing me to replace my PS4's around the house. Could be worth a day one buy. So its success will likely be heavily dependent on its features.
The price has to be right on this one otherwise it will flop horribly. No more than $170
I remember buying a PS TV solely because it was 40 dollars on clearance and came with a Dualshock 3.
I bought it mainly for the controller. I did end up using the PS TV a decent bit to play PS1 games I already owned on my account.
@naruball The logitech G cloud does, and I think a couple of others has haptics. Obviously not on the level of the dual sense which is another reason why this will possibly be a good buy for a handheld streaming gamer.
@NotSoCryptic I've done remote streaming on a phone and the aspect ratio on the screen sizes aren't the best and there is often other bloatware that can affect performance. Plus really good non bluetooth phone controllers are expensive in and of themselves. So a good screen experience and good controller would be attractive to me.
But as you say, it depends on the price and feature set. If it sported a decent chip and could run an OS like Android or something so you could load mobile games etc, that would be great. Another point is that a lot of handhelds also offer video out so you can dock to a TV with bluetooth for controllers.
So with lots of features and a cheap price it might make it a good alternative to other streaming handhelds. I can also see Sony expanding out their cloud gaming offering onto it. If it is expensive and locked down though... you are right, I can see another PSTV on the horizon.
All they had to do was make a steam deck rip off and call it the ps5p.
@KidRyan then we need a PS6 not a PS5 pro.
I don't feel like we're using the current generation hardware to it's limits yet. What would be good is some better RT hardware so games can run [email protected] with all the bells and whistles. The PS4 Pro didn't justify the price, on my opinion.
And the Money men at Nintendo are rubbing their hands in glee...and not a penny spent.
@SlipperyFish how do you turn the auto turn off in hdmi settings? what hdmi settings. Tv side or PS5. I hate this feature with a passion.
@KundaliniRising333 On the PS5. Settings > System > HDMI > enable HDMI link
@KundaliniRising333 tv side. It’s usually called cec I think. Plug in your tv model to rtings.com they are awesome and walk you through your tv’s optimum set up and include a lot of info on stuff like this.
@SlipperyFish oh I did it tv side interesting you can do both ways!
Yah i just changed it on the ps5 side, i dont know why i didnt check this. Thanks for the heads up.
My Samsung seems to have issues with it where sometimes it doesn't recognize the PS5 source is on and doesn't get the feed when it switches to the source as the PS5 is powering up so it just sits there as if the ps5 isnt on. So being able to turn on the ps5 and wait a sec then switch the source should be a game changer on that front.
Thanks for the info
This thing is ugly as hell and it looks like a prototype. It seems that it will broke at any fall and the screen corners are unprotected. I'm pretty sure Sony will have the audacity to ask for more than 200 bucks for this. It is ludicrous.
I'm looking forward to this. I'm officially a gamer dad starting in November, and I'd like to avoid playing violent adult games where my kid might see it.
@Rudy_Manchego Not to be a d***, but sounds more like a problem with your phone. Galaxy S10-S22 have had no issues. You can pair an Xbox or PlayStation controller to your phone, that's 60 bucks there. The Backbone or what ever that officially endorsed controller they have with both Xbox and PlayStation is pretty solid from what I hear. So I don't know what to think about citing bloatware and controllers, just sounds like you might need to update your phone to something new, doesn't even have to be top of the line. As I said S10s ran Remote Play fine. Though Cloud gaming. I just won't go there, its consistently trash as far as I'm concerned.
I agree the OS to let it stand on its own would be great. I'd be completely on board with that. I think overall I just want a Vita 2. Love my Vita, it just needed a few more tweaks to be perfect. Sony just keeps making stupid decisions when it comes to portables, like Nintendo level stupid where it prevents the hardware from living to its potential. PSP lacked that second analog stick, vita lacked tv out and a full Dual Shock layout in favor of that rear touch pad and rear touch screen. Vita could have been something special. Instead it got relegated to medicority. I don't think they learned their lessons here if the feature set is, bluetooth headset and remote play though Wii U Tablet over Wifi. Looks like you and I are of the same opinion that bare minimum TV out with a dock and controller support is an absolute must. Question is will Sony hear us in time
@OrtadragoonX PSTV was an awesome bit of kit, but there was a lot I would have done differently with it lol. I did end up with 3 of them. One I bought at launch because of remote play and vita games on my tv (including PSOne). It's a solid PS1 player. The other two I grabbed when they were dumping inventory at best buy for 10 bucks. They were going for more than launch a couple of years ago. Wonder if that's still true today.
My biggest issues with it is that they didn't extend its ability, at times I felt like the Vita it's self probably could have just been docked making the whole thing pointless to have. I know the Prototypes did have TV out as a standard feature before the touch pads were added, so I'm guessing some higher up made that decision. Thanks Nintendo for bad influence. I think if they updated the Bluetooth on it and allowed it to carry more devices it would have taken the system further. Additional USB would have been great, especially adding the ability to add a USB Hard Drive support which we never got. I ended up hacking the system and putting my PSOne, PSP, and PSV library on there from the store. Before running head first into OS limitations on how much software you could have installed. The OS should have been reworked on both devices. Still baffled by why it wasn't updated to be more inline with the PS4. For a good while it was a nice remote play device till my phone took over. I'm still surprised we were restricted to 720p and 1080i, 1080p support would have been nice.
Overall I'd love something to take over those remote play duties, but if I'm going to be paying the cost of a portable game console for something to fill that void, I hope sony makes a good case for it.
@anon_pel222 you don't have WiFi in India?
@OrtadragoonX I don't understand. It's not useable if you can't use it outside a major city? Just about everywhere you go in the United States has a WiFi connection. Sure, if you're in the middle of nowhere, it won't work. But there are a million other places it will. I'm looking forward to this. I use Remote Play on my MacBook. Works great. It will be nice to have a smaller dedicated device for it. I do hope, however, that Sony is attempting to get a foothold into portable gaming again. If this is successful, which it sounds like it won't be based on the comments here, that they improve on it and add additional features like downloading games locally to play for when people are out in the middle of nowhere.
@NotSoCryptic No worries dude - you aren’t being a d*** at all. A lot does depend on the device. I have become a handheld hobbyist of late! I have gamed on a mid-range Android and an iPhone 14 and tried the Kishi, GameSir, DS4, Xbox One controller and Steel Series controller. A decent model phone and good controller will do you fine - my personal opinion is lag on cloud gaming means you need a connected controller like the Kishi to avoid making it worse. My main gripe is the aspect ration. I also cloud game (or emulate) on the Logitech G cloud, Ayn Odin, Retroid Pocket 3. A phone screen can’t compete with a decent 7inch screen. It’s too compromised in my opinion. Plus by bloatware I mean that for cloud gaming your signal may be split by other applications and so on. So comparing one of my tablet or Switch sized devices with that of a phone, the gaming quality is so much better on a more dedicated device. Of course a good phone is with you at all times and so Sony have to compete with that and to me price is key. If you nudge towards $300 then you are on Switch Oled or Steam Deck territory and they will be far superior devices!
I use physical discs. I'm curious, will it only let me stream the disc that's inserted? Currently that's how Remote Play works, so I'm assuming it won't change. I'm looking forward to a dedicated remote play device but this will be a deal breaker for me.
fairly certain they could cram in the hardware necessary to natively run ps4 games in this form factor. why not do that instead, sony? in addition, ps3/ps5 streaming and native playback of ps1, psp and psv would be welcome. to make things even more enticing to sony, make it an all digital device with no new storage media to worry about. sony would need to figure out a solution to transfering ps4 physical games that people already own to the digital counterpart (for this new device), but that isn't rocket science. now, this portable ps4 is a device people would actually be interested in i feel.
@MattBoothDev On that we definitely agree. Modern console games should be capable of running in 4K without sacrificing 60 FPS.
LCD display, 60fps cap, no HDR support, it's reliance on an Internet connection ala' Streaming and not being fully portable. No thanks.
the 8" display, 1080p resolution and Duel Sense controller ergonomics, happtics & Adaptive trigger support should be great, but the lack of an OLED display, no higher frame rate support(Titles like Monster Boy in the cursed Kingdom runs at 120fps for ex on PS5), and lack of HDR support make this product feel half baked.
Honestly excited to get this to play less intensive games before bed. Was looking to get a backbone but this seems like it'll be the better choice, and the controller we know is comfortable. Everyone just wants to overreact but it seems like having this as an option for people instead of not having it at all, is an easy win. At least Sony is trying new things, sometimes half baked as they may seem.
@croaker_1 What is 'deep console integration'? That sounds like nonsensical, fake marketing guff. Brand momentum anyone?
Seamless transition between remote play and TV is not a selling point. It's the absolute bare minimum from an in-house product and the Wii U did this back in 2012.
Do you genuinely think that HDR and VRR will be included when the screen is only a 1080p LCD???
I'm pleased that you seem to be interested in this thing but, as you can see from most of the comments, the majority of people view it as a completely unnecessary, poorly thought out and badly designed piece of tat.
@elite690 'Sony trying new things'? 🤣🤣🤣
This is the Wii U GamePad but 11 years late!!!
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