Take-Two CEO, Strauss Zelnick, believes the persistent rumour that a mid-generation refresh is happening, and is anticipating it at some point. We're most of the way onboard ourselves (like most of our readers), so perhaps this shouldn't be a massive surprise.
In an interview with Gamesindustry.biz, the executive, when asked whether he expected to see a console refresh from Sony, answered: "We probably will". Later, he elaborates, stating that he doesn't think it will "affect the business very much." We suppose he would be in a position to know.
Considering some AAA, PS5-exclusive games have needed multiple performance patches to get to where they should be at launch. Perhaps developers just need some more horsepower rather than having to find workarounds to get the framerate where it should be (at or as near 60 as possible). Where are you at with the idea of a PS5 Pro? Future-proof yourself in the comments section below.
[source gamesindustry.biz, via gamesradar.com]
I believe it when I see it.
GTA 6 30fps only on current get consoles confirmed?
The Gen has only really just started after years of cross gen and already Sony and MS seem to be interested in upgrades. I despise mid gen upgrades as it just screws over the loyal customers who already bought the consoles.
Wont be getting it.....still are releasing PS4 games....slap in the face to all us who payed for a ps5....not even needed
Honestly wouldn't buy one. Sony has yet to make my regular PS5 worth the $500 I paid at launch.
@WallyWest remember when i said these were happing for MS & Sony and i was getting eaten up on Push and Pure? I tried to tell everyone, these are the new day’s of console that are PC’s in a box and they will both want to keep up more with the latest and greatest for those willing to pay for it and for those that aren’t the base units are sitting there at a good price for performance. Without this article and others i 100% stand behind we will see revised console’s going forward. It’s to hard to future proof them for 7-8 years.
@WallyWest how? They still have exactly what they paid for and nothing changes for them, they can still play every game. The ones who want an upgrade after 4 years get to pay for the privilege. I don't see the issue
"Perhaps developers just need some more horsepower..."
I strongly disagree, more power won't solve this, PC it's there to prove that right. What devs must do its to FINISH the game development and testing BEFORE SHIPPING the game! This trend of making consumers as beta testers must stop!!!!!!! That's the ONLY solution!
Sure I will probably whine a little when it's confirmed by Sony but once the dust settles there will be one sitting in my living can't even lie 🤷
No not all of us are...i dont need a ps5 pro. I didnt feel the need to purchase a ps4 pro so i cant see myself buying a ps5 pro. If i'm honest the ps5 as it stands is probably the last console i'll buy.
@Andy22385 I expected way more actual exclusives that what we have gotten. The last game I actually needed a PS5 to play was ratchet, almost 2 years ago.
Sony wants people to double dip on virtually everything.
To be hitting 60fps and sticking to higher res without using upscaling then yeah, we'd need a Pro model.
The current PS5 still has a lot more to offer from its hardware though and would still do me for a couple years. It's just when the likes of UE5 et al start becoming commonplace I imagine the PS5 will struggle to satisfy most without dropping some settings quite a bit to hit dat 60.
It is really unnecessary to make a PS5 pro because some studios still want to make games in 30fps and only games that will see the benefits are first party games.
Microsoft and Sony should announce a stronger version of the Xbox Series X and PS5 because the current consoles cannot run games in 4K60. PS5 and XSX will have big problems with UE5 games because those games will be too demanding for PS5 and XSX
PS5 Pro 2024 and the sad thing is some developers will still be releasing last gen games still. The even sadder part is some people will still be defending it.
Although I've mentioned on here before I'd be tempted, it would be wise of for Sony to take heed of what's happened with Nvidia's recent next gen card sales. Whether it's due to the cost of living or whether punters are getting sick of incremental upgrades and price hikes, stuff just isn't moving off the shelf in the volume it was a few years ago.
Sony can do whatever and people will lick it. As for me, I’m done with console gaming at this point. I haven’t turned my PS5 on since Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart… I’m current looking to sell it.
ill bitch and winge but yeah ill buy one lol
"Considering some AAA, PS5-exclusive games have needed multiple performance patches to get to where they should be at launch. Perhaps developers just need some more horsepower rather than having to find workarounds to get the framerate where it should be (at or as near 60 as possible)."
Yeah the media always coaxing us into buying the new shiny stuff. Then the PS4 should've just stuck around till the PS5 Pro is what you're trying to say.
@geordie197 I'll be exactly the same.
I keep saying we don't need this, but I know I'll get one.
I still don't see it happening. Microsoft forcing parity between Series X and S for a Series X|S version to exist keeps being cited as the problem and mid gen revisions won't change that.
I’m quite happy with my ps5 as it currently is won’t be upgrading to a pro.
Would rather spend the money on new games than a console which will already run the games I have.
I would probably not upgrade to a Pro or whatever it would be called. When I got a PS4 Pro it was for the ability to play in 4K, and there's no such difference maker in this generation. It would be interesting for Xbox to try to market 3 models of console, but I guess it's not as if it hasn't been done before with slims and the like.
@Andy22385 The question is: will 9th gen games released after the pro models run like crap on the non-pro versions? If so then this is essentially halving generation length to 3-4 years. Pretty bad when consoles are costing so much
It will happen, but not for another 18 months or so, by which time the PS5 will be 4 years old. If it means games being 4K/60fps with RT - all at the same time - then I’m in!
@Andy22385 Yes, I agree. By the time this comes out people who bought the OG PS5 will have had up to four years or so use of it, they are still free to keep it, trade it in against the new model, whatever they want to do. Silly for people to argue it's somehow a slight at such buyers to bring out a more powerful model.
I mean....that new TV that Sony brought out this year? Damn them - I bought one just a couple of years ago and this model does everything better. Real slap in the face. That phone I bought last year from Google? Bloody new Pixels are far better and Google had no right to do it.
If they are, then I'm sure it likely to be a true rumor. Having pro series will be the end of consoles. Mid gen upgrades becoming routine are not good inn long run. I understand why they existed last gen, no complaints.
@AverageGamer PC isn't any better though. Unless the game is specifically made for PC it's probably going to have optimization issues. I know PC gamers who have been buying PS5's just because they are tired of broken releases. Games like Elden Ring, Star Wars Jedi Survivor, etc have all been more reliable to play on a console.
I won’t buy one based solely on principle. Generally speaking, I feel like what was promised on the base PS5 has not been delivered.
Is it needed? No
Like others above, will I be cross at myself but buy it anyway? Yes
So I guess that’s why they’ll probably release one
I believe we all can agree that this is a broad topic. Since we are a playstation community I will only address Sony but this is an industry issue. Disclaimer, I am no expert, just an enthusiast.
Tech iteration are being pumped out constantly (at least yearly), it makes sense to improve with minimal change in cost. As much as I would like for Sony to focus un PS6 I struggle to see how can you RnD for a project that is end of 2028-29 launch window. Overhead expenditures would get out of control due to constant change of the industry baseline.
Some developers could get more horsepower or they could just get better at optimising games.
I don't need a PS5 pro but I will certainly buy it like many others. I didn't need all the latest gaming consoles yet I wanted them because I enjoy new technology. I wouldn't wait 4 years to buy a new phone for double the price so why not get a new console after 4 years.
Cool.a ps5 pro is welcome.word up son
Curious to see how much a possible PS5 Pro adds to the PSVR 2..
I guess I'll believe it when they announce it.
If this cadence is what is going to go then I dunno; I guess skip the base model each gen and go for pro to pro instead of og to pro to next og to pro etc.
I mean more power is always welcome but looking at the PC space even MOAR POWER isn't helping anything. Also I think MS/Sony were very short-sighted with using AMD. RT is really the 'thing' now and AMD just doesn't have the chops in that arena so a 'pro' model still using ancient AMD stuff isn't 'pro' the least bit.
I dunno; if consoles turn into the cellphone cadence I'd probably stop with them. Maybe just stick to N's stuff at that point and bow out of the mainline. There's enough games all around so it doesn't really matter I guess.
I have the digital sku but wanted the disc version so I'll be making the move to one of these pro models if they do get released.
I’m twisted on this one. My nature is to get an upgrade, as I did with the PS4 Pro, but this generation has been different. I love my PS5, but don’t feel like I need my PS5…so why upgrade to a PS5 Pro?
I’ll be pondering this as I unbox my PS5 Pro.
Yes probably will upgrade. I HATE the options of 60 fps with slightly downgroaded visuals. Or 30 fps with full 4k. It is annoying and I thought the ps5 should have been able to do it all... but FINE take my money and give me my ps5 pro
@KaijuKaiser I don’t really know what your comment has to do with mine, but I generally have no issues with game performance when it comes to PC gaming… Elden Ring had performed fine for me since release, and well… Jedi Survivor doesn’t meet my standards on any platform. If anything, even with the worse PC optimization, I can still get a better experience than consoles cause I’m fine with buying expensive hardware.
I’m waiting for PS5 pro. I hope it comes out sooner rather than later. We can then have GT7 at 120 fps native on PSVR2, hopefully with improved visuals. C’mon Sony, take my cash.
He didn't necessarily say anything about if, or when. All he said was "probably will". This is just as reliable as all of the rumors that have been going on for months now.
@Fyz306903 I mean I don't see why it'd affect the games personally. You'd just get a better version with the Pro. But if the Pro didn't exist you'd be playing here same version on the base PS5 anyway. The issue would be if they made games more detailed so they're only 30 fps on the base PS5. But that'd be a dumb move. All people are asking for is better versions of what exists.
@Gamer_Guy yeah I just don't get it. A lot of people are getting a 1000 phone every year or 2 which barely changes. After selling the PS5 this would cost you a couple hundred to upgrade to, with a big change. And if you don't want to fine...your experience is exactly the same as it would be jf the Pro didn't exist.
The people who are supporting Sony more (rightly or wrongly) should be able go buy a better experience if they want. And the ones who crawl into the gen 4 years after release don't really have a right to complain that a new one's released when they've just got one. It's their fault really and as said their experience doesn't change anyway. It's not generations where you miss out on games.
@AverageGamer @Shad361 @Uncharted2007 @StylesT Hopefully the upcoming PlayStation Showcase premiering on May 24th will change your minds.
I'm expecting ALOT of big 1st party game announcements/reveals there. We haven't had a legit hour long showcase since 2020.
@Andy22385 That'll be the issue though won't it, if you do stick with the original PS5, you're probably going to have to accept you'll be playing at 30fps for most new AAA titles after the Pro drops. I'd accept 30fps for a handheld, mobile experience, but not for a fully fledged console experience. 30fps on a TV or monitor feels horrible to me.
I don’t see it happening. We have barely got any current-gen only games almost three years after launch. We definitely don’t need a PS5 Pro.
@KidRyan Unless they’re plan on announcing another Ratchet or Clank or Gravity Rush. I doubt there will be anything I’ll look forward to.
This discussion again. I hope it doesn’t happen, otherwise it is going to become a trend. The refresh doesn’t offer vast improvements, it’s purely going to offer more stability and better frame rates. For enthusiasts that can and want to invest, this is fine. We have seen console generations lasting around seven years, for those who want to update, that is now halved.
There have been cross-gen games dating back a number of generations, so what we are seeing is nothing new. It remains that a healthy amount of games continue to be released for the PS4, a machine now ten years old. Some people will be happy playing games this way until support stops. There appear to be a lot more cross-gen releases from PS4-PS5 than there were with the previous generation.
It seems a lot to ask for people to pay up to £500 for slightly improved performance.
They need to stop with these "pro" systems, in my personal opinion. It diminishes the impact of new generations.
I tried to get a PS5 at launch but couldn't, and I didn't get one until July 2021. Yet to be honest, I could quite happily be without it at this moment in time.
Loading speeds aside, at this point in time, it's not proven to be that big a step up from my PS4 Pro, and there's a dearth of games taking full advantage of it because everyone's still catering for last gen. Add to that the fact that most of Sony's first-party studios completed their last games not long before PS5 was due, and nearly 3 years in we still find ourselves with very few of their own blockbuster titles.
So please, Sony... forget the PS5 Pro and focus on the PS6 in another 4 or 5 years. Let's get some games that properly take advantage of the hardware we have, before you start trying to convince us to make another unnecessary half-step upgrade.
@thebizniznizbiz I doubt that'd happen, the PS4 was so underpowered that's why that happened. Remember were being marketed 120 now which has never happened on a PS. I'd hope it'd be more like 60 as now for the base and 120 for the pro
I think if they want to do a pro, fine. But what feature set is new? This is the first year it seems the 2020 consoles are finally getting first-class games made for what they can do without being hampered by the 2010 systems.
PS5 Pro Slim baby! Mhhhhhmm check please!
This is why I don't have a PS5, and avoid buying consoles early. They keep doing crap like this. I like unified generations, where software is optimized for what you have. Better than the Series S situation, I guess.
It is up to developers whether games run at 4k60 or not. There were games on PS2 that could run at 60fps, and others that could run at 1080i. If a pro comes out, some Devs will still chose either 4k or 60fps, not necessarily both, especially with RT involved. I'm not interested in a pro but would be happy to trade my PS5 in for a smaller, quieter, more efficient slim model
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