Last week, reports on innerworkings at Rockstar made a lot of headlines. The gist of the reports was that the developer had shelved remasters of Red Dead Redemption and Grand Theft Auto IV, in favour of focusing on Grand Theft Auto 6. The reports originated through Rockstar insider Tez2, and that same, supposedly reliable insider is now back with more information.
Tez2 reckons Rockstar has also ditched plans to re-release Red Dead Redemption 2 on current-gen consoles, like the PS5: "I've heard about [Red Dead Redemption 2 current-gen versions] a long time ago. As well as [Rockstar's] plan to come up with an Enhanced Rockstar Editor. All cancelled / halted now."
This follows on from the news that the developer is basically pulling the plug on significant support for Red Dead Online — the online multiplayer component for Red Dead Redemption 2.
Fans have long been asking for an updated Red Dead Redemption 2 — a game that's considered by many to be one of the PS4's absolute best. Heck, we imagine that most players would be happy with a straightforward PS5 patch, upping the frame rate and perhaps adding new graphics options. As it stands, the open world title is capped at 30 frames-per-second, even when playing on Sony's latest system.
Now look, we get that Rockstar wants GTA 6 to exceed expectations. Given the unparalleled success of Grand Theft Auto V, the company needs the next instalment to be a behemoth. But it feels like the developer is doing some of its most beloved games a disservice in its hunt for profit. The thought that we may never get a PS5 version of Red Dead Redemption 2 is a real kicker.
[source twitter.com, via playstationlifestyle.net]
This is absolutely ridiculous.
Rockstar goes about stuff in really weird ways over the last few years.
I was waiting to play Red Dead 2 in hopes of a 60 fps PS5 patch.
I don't even need a native PS5 version, a 60fps patch is all I ask for
Apparently Rockstar is a small indie studio that can only focus on one project at a time. 🙄
Since the re-release of the OG Trilogy, Rockstar be looking like a studio with no direction at all.
Tbh its appeared that way since Dan Houser and Lazlow left.
Wait. Why does Rockstar need GTA6 to be such a huge hit? They've been making literal billions off of GTAO for like a decade. Are they in some sort of financial turmoil??
They should be doing alllll of this work. All of it. Hiring new teams. Shoring up talent. Expanding beyond the house of GTA and Red Dead (the way they used to be - remember Table Tennis, anyone??).
This seems like a vast misuse of their resources and opportunity, if you ask me. Studios DREAM about the financial (and critical) success Rockstar has earned over their past few releases. Reaching heights few dare to dream of. And yet... they botched the port of 3 of their most beloved titles, and are scrapping work left and right.
What. The. Hell??
If I were them, I'd be looking to spin off GTAO into its own live service a la COD Warzone and Fortnite and build a living world players could play (and hand money over to) for the foreseeable future. Then take the vast stacks of cash that'd earn to reinvigorate its long dormant IPs like Bully, Midnight Club, etc. while also funding the sorts of hits like GTA they're known for. It's not like they're hurting for cash, I wouldn't think.
@MFTWrecks Liu Ping should get his own game 👍
Casual reminder that Rockstar alone (not including 2k) has 9 studios, and the main one that does GTA, Rockstar North, has over 650 staff.
And all of them are seemingly on GTA6.
@MFTWrecks For people at the top of the company — and especially shareholders — success must breed more success. And this is the problem with GTAV. Rockstar needs to somehow follow up on a game that's made them billions since it launched. There's a huge pressure on GTA6 to continue the trend, but that's obviously much easier said than done. If it doesn't meet expectations, then influential people (again, shareholders and the like) start asking why Rockstar didn't just stick with GTA5, etc., etc.
We've already seen it with Red Dead 2. For any other company, that game would probably be the biggest hit they ever made. But for Rockstar, it didn't measure up to GTA5, and so its online modes get cut short and any further plans are put on ice.
The price of success, I suppose!
A bit disappointing, I always hold off starting it again in the hopes of a PS5 version/patch...
They have a studio along the road from me, might go give them a chap and ask what's up
Yep, just a 60 FPS patch please. Don’t care about more time consuming graphical enhancements. Just a frame rate boost would be fantastic.
A remake of Red Dead Redemption 1 packaged with Red Dead Redemption 2 on current gen consoles could have been great.
I don't really have much hope for GTA 6. I wouldn't be surprised if they completely ditch the single player story mode in favour of a live service game. That's what the departure of Dan Houser indicated to me.
They can still claim it's single player by letting you play the online missions by yourself.
A bit of a shame, really. I’d love to play this again but I was hoping for a PS5 version.
@mariomaster96 couldn’t agree more. All gamers want is 60fps. Surely Rockstar could deliver this or does it need to come with a $ attached for their shareholders?
I think it's pretty clear they were hoping Grove Street Games would be like their very own Bluepoint games studio to remaster/remake all their legacy games. Obviously that didn't go as planned thanks to the GTA Trilogy but even though I have reservations about GTA6 I think this is the right call.
RDR2 plays just fine on PS4. Sure it would nice to get a patch but oh well.
Guys... I think it's time most of you realize that Rockstar doesn't care about what you want anymore. They aren't concerned with making games or updates to games you actually want.
They are all in on GTA Online. Enough people were willing to rebuy the same game 3x and fuel their over priced micro transaction filled digital world that it quite literally killed all their other projects, their ambition, and I'd imagine most of their creative talent has left by now.
Rockstar is dead.
If they'd actually bothered to do development work instead of putting limited resources into their one shark cards basket then maybe they could achieve all these things.
I really enjoyed GTA V on its 2013 release for the time it took me to complete the single player, but I doubt I'll bother with VI after the direction this company has chosen to take. Loved Manhunt and Max Payne in the past (never really cared for RDR or its sequel), but they're a joke these days.
Not that it'll matter. VI will go on to sell fifty million copies anyway.
@ShogunRok Kind of a one-two punch with Rockstar, too. Shareholders want them to have another GTAV success story. And if Rockstar decides to make their next new game anything BUT GTAVI, then gamers would lose their ever-loving minds in anger:
"We didn't ask for this" and all that.
It would be nice if the company branched out beyond the "Rockstar formula" - as even games that aren't GTA still have the same gameplay loop just with a different setting and plot. But due to its aforementioned expectations, the company is pretty much locked into being a GTA factory.
I cant imagine rockstar being smaller than cdproject yet they're working on witcher 3 for ps5 alongside other games , whats the issue here?
JUST GIVE US A 60FPS PATCH 😭
Now seriously...Rockstar is sad nowadays!
GTA 6 has been shelved as Rockstar focuses all efforts on GTA 6
Imagining Rockstar work stations filled with Sloths from the movie Zootopia 😂
Their work environment must be so chill 🦥
@GamingFan4Lyf as much as I’ve loved the GTA series and RDR
It’s a bummer Rockstar sort of got locked into GTAs success. It’s been obvious Red Dead got left at the curb when it comes to online continuity. Perhaps they eventually make an offshoot company that doesn’t take away from their investors expectations of GTA6.
Like Rockstar said… they have to exceed peoples expectations. Wouldn’t want to be on their end especially in this day n age.
Couldn't they just hire more staff? They are literally printing money with GTA. I am sure a lot of people would pay for an upgraded RDR2 and a Remake/Remasters of RDR.
R* go to hell. GTA is tured out material. RDR is masterpies woth of attention. Give us PS5 version of both RDR games. I can't believe this
Yuck. I was also hoping for a 60fps patch for RDR2. Guess I'll just pick it up used cheap someday and play at 30...
Rockstar might have died when that awful GTA trilogy remake came out. I mean; I'd rather them just put a PS2 emulator on the disc and play em that way. What was released is just unacceptable even from an undergrad program. These guys are professionals?
Don't they have like 2,000+ employees? I imagine most of that are developers so they can't spare like 30 of that to do remasters? It would be bizarre for a small indie studio to only work on one project at a time.
Rockstar: Sorry fans but making money and milking money out of you all is more important than listening to your requests.
To be honest, this game did run really, really slowly on my PS4, but I doubt a PS5 version will change that anyway.
I'm gonna hazard a guess that if they are ditching everything to focus on GTA 6 the single player will be secondary to the online.
A bare bones single player experience that will probably try to shoehorn you into their online money maker at every given opportunity, all so as you get the biggest, best GTA experience ever.
That's if there even is a single player side to the game, although I expect they will be purely so as they don't miss out on those who they might sucker in.
I've also been waiting for a 60fps patch to play RDR2. If a relatively small team like Techland can patch their game from 2015, Rockstar can surely patch their 2018 game. No excuses.
Rockstar ditches everything to focus on something new - COMPLAIN.
Naughty Dog Remakes TLOU - COMPLAIN.
You just can't win.
Imagine they made RDR2 PS5 with a few extra horses and charged $70, you'd call it cash grab.
Yeah, let’s just keep complain8ng. Ooh, we want GTA6 but they’re too focussed on RDR2. But now it’s the other way round. So you know what? If they don’t release a PS5 version we just won’t get one and have to replay the original. And be grateful we ever got that in the first place. Why is nothing really ever enough anymore? There’s always some issue to bombard the internet with. But I don’t like the story! Ooh, the graphics are terrible! But it’s been delayed again AND the DLC has been cancelled.
It’s a tough world, folks, and you just have to accept the cards your dealt, enjoy what’s available and stop bloody complaining …
Oh well isn't it about time we had some games made purely for the ps5? Obviously there's been a few but most of what I see are remasters
@TheArt complaining about wanting a 60fps patch is entirely different to complaining a studio has made nothing new because they are remaking a game that has already had a remaster.
I would also imagine Rockstar has a lot more employees than ND, my local Rockstar studio has around 40 employees I believe, probably more than enough to work on a patch whilst the larger studios work on GTA 6
I'll leave it at that or we will descend into treading old ground from the story about TLOU
@TheArt It's almost like they are two completely different games from two different companies with different situations.
At one time they were Sony's new ip masters but since since 2013 they have been in purgatory only making Uncharted and TLOU. I'm guessing after the remake the new Factions will follow then TLOU2 remaster, maybe Uncharted 5 after that.
He says they have new ip in the works but I doubt we will see it this console generation, I will come here and eat my words if it releases before PS6 🙂
@Dudditz09 And when you look at their track record, they hardly patch anything, they'd rather make a new version and charge for it. We've had 3 GTAVs for different gen systems, why would you keep your hopes up for a patch from them. It's quite a shame but I'd imagine a full remake with RDR1 integrated for PS6 or late PS5. They just don't like Patches like the guy from Elden Ring.😆
@Juanalf I fear the way game development is going these days, some games might just skip PS5 entirely.
I for one think this is a huge relief. It has been 9 years since the last GTA. I don’t need to play RDR2 again – I want GTA6!
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined...
It is time to move on.
I wouldn't usually be fussed about this but after playing a lot of super smooth games on PS5 and Series S lately, I've turned into one of those FPS snobs that scoffs in disgust whenever I see games running in 30fps.
I can just picture Grove Street Games sitting there waiting for the phone to ring
Great news all round 👌
Absolutely shocking would it really be difficult to add 60 frames & a graphics upgrade?
@Playstationuser not really is it
RDR2 sorely needed a remaster. The PS4 version is a blurry mess. Buy new oled tv. Still a blurry mess. It is also too grindy. Never finished it. The last time I played it, I was nailing a fence together...
Oh so the remaster of Red Dead and GTA 4 have been shelved, Red Dead 2 PS5 version shelved............ Thanks Rockstar.......... your awesome.
@Hoodie718 exactly . people seem to forget that it’s been almost 10 years since the last GTA game
@ShogunRok All true, but shareholders also love to hear about diversification as it de-risks their investment.
A company announcing "we're discontinuing all our product lines and putting our entire future behind the gamble of a single product and revenue stream producing unprecedented success" is typically the opposite of what investors want to hear.
I really can't figure out how Rockstar is managing to function at all, but by appearances, that's just it, it's not.
I think I'm only one, who think that GTA is boring. I only enjoyed 1 and 2 (ok and 3 for a few hours).
@Ryan1 remakes and remasters being shelved for any reason is always great news
Come on, man ...Just uncap the frame rate. No need for anything else.
Oh, wait ...I guess you can't charge people full price again for a game they already own if you do that. It would actually be consumer friendly! The horror!
This would be ridiculous. I am actually still waiting on a 60 fps version. I'll definitely not buy a new game from them if they don't keep supporting older games. Even smaller studios have more support for older games.
3.5k employees. Can't manage more than one game at the time
@MidnightDragonDX GTA 6 might be the very last GTA game. The OG makers and core staff all quit years ago, no way the GTA 6 will be the GTA we all love. It's either gonna be a huge flop or a weird spin on GTA formula.
I've started playing rd2 with my premium sub. It's a great looking game even for ps5 standards. Shame it just needs the clunky feel taken away with 60fps
Well, rockstar had a good, long run. Everyone crashes and burns at some point
I wanted a PS4 pro patch for GTA 5 but they didn't bother with that & instead made a paid ps5 update 🤷♂️
Not surprising since all of them worked on RDR2.
So instead of wasting time remastering a recent game, they're focusing on a new one. Sounds like a good thing to me.
@get2sammyb @BeerIsAwesome Seriously, how bad can their staffing be that they can't work on multiple projects at once?
Hopefully the remasters/remakes are just being pushed to the side temporarily, and will be worked on again after GTA6 releases...
I would love to have GTA4/RDR1 remakes and a RDR2 remaster.
@KidBoruto Probably not as straightforward as it seems, to be fair. But yeah, it's a shame.
@KidBoruto One imagines that with the scale of the GTA games - GTA5 was huge! Massive map, and so much interactivity both in and out of the map - that they've just got the entire studio working on GTA6. Last couple times they got a third-party studio to remake or remaster their games, it didn't work out too well for them.
@BeerIsAwesome @get2sammyb Fair enough! Sorry for my comment earlier, just been really wanting to replay GTA 4 in modern quality and experience RDR1 for the first time with current graphics tech.
It takes forever to load the game as it is. Clearly would benefit from a PS5 version.
@Would_you_kindly Even a tenner upgrade would probably be worth it.
@razorhanzo nah should've been free seen as they're only really bothered about the online component & the shark card sales
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