It’s been a few days since the new tiers of PS Plus launched in parts of Asia, and that means gamers have already got their hands on some of the retro titles included within the list of All PS Plus Games. Sony is selling its PS Plus Premium tier on the strength of its classic games catalogue – although it does offer a selection of other perks, including cloud streaming and game trials.
How are the retro games looking, then? Well, firstly, there’s been some confusion over the PS2 games it seems. These are not strictly “new” releases, but are instead games that were already ported to the PS4 a few years ago. Sony added Trophies to these titles, but the well quickly dried of new releases. As far as we can tell, these haven’t been touched.
The new additions, then, are PS1 and PSP games. In the case of the former, the titles run at a downscaled 1080p on PS4 and 1440p on PS5. They definitely look a lot crisper than on original hardware, although some fans may be disappointed they don’t go all the way up to 4K on Sony’s new-gen console. We can’t really think of a reason why they don’t, to be honest.
One of the big problems, as previously reported, is that a number of the games use PAL 50Hz ROMs, which means that they’re capped at 25 frames-per-second or 50fps, as opposed to 30fps or 60fps. This means they run slower and a little more sluggish compared to what you may be used to, especially in the US.
Performance appears to be very much in line with original hardware otherwise, so don’t expect any sudden doubled framerates. There is a moment in the video where Toy Story 2 is on the screen and shows a wildly fluctuating framerate, but to our eye it’s running at a relatively steady 30fps, so don’t let that deceive you.
PSP titles, by the way, appear to be upgraded to 1080p and look much improved compared to the original console. Again, we’re not sure why Sony hasn’t gone up to 4K on the PS5, but this is the current output the company’s offering. It’s not the end of the world, of course, but it obviously could all be better.
That’s our overall takeaway based on this comparison. The results are fine – we actually think the PS1 games look very sharp – but the use of PAL 50Hz ROMs and the lack of native 4K support on the PS5 is disappointing. Obviously it would have been great if Sony was also able to unlock the framerates, potentially offering 60fps in games that were originally 30fps, but it looks like it’s aiming for authenticity here.
They're aware the PS4 pro exists right
@Would_you_kindly PS4 Pro is in the comparison, I just excluded the information because I wasn't sure how many people would be interested.
Butttt... It's 1440p, same as PS5, for PS1. And then 1080p for PSP, same as the other two platforms.
They were never going to be perfect. Given the state of Sony, we should be grateful these are playable at all.
@Golem25 Sadly, these are pretty much my thoughts, too.
This entire situation has been very underwhelming.
The biggest drawback IMO is using the PAL versions for some games, it literally doesn’t make sense given it was the biggest criticism for the PS Classic some years ago and it’s extremely noticeable (at least for me), all the efforts of having rewind, save states and filters are worthless by using a version that runs at 25 FPS.
Frankly them advertising PS2 games got my hopes up a lot more than it should have. Of course they’re the exact same games that are already on PS Now that stopped being ported about 5 years ago. Fantastic.
“ aiming for authenticity here”
that’s a damn good cop-out if that’s what jim- i mean , they , were going for 💀💀💀
So basically Sony halve arsed this then as expected? Of course and meanwhile a few months back MS got Fallout 3 and New Vagas as well as the first Assassin's Creed and many others running at 60fps, they also got games i never thought would appear on Series S/X like Star Wars Episode III. Sony need and can do better.
@WallyWest I think half-arsed is a little unfair. I do think the games look nice, and obviously the features like save states and rewind are welcome (albeit expected these days).
Hopefully they will continue to iterate and improve on this, rather than just drop the whole program like a hot rock. That's my hope, at least!
Spot on!! 💯
I feel from the PS3/360 gen are the only games that are going to age well.
@TheArt Sort of, once you get over the blurry tinge that streaming causes!
It's exactly why I'm hard pressed to get hyped for Sony's efforts these days.
For years they blatantly ignored the awesome catalogs of older generations, besides a select few games of their choosing. Some of which where remarkable ones, I might add.
Backwards compatibility was never a high priority.
I still remember Jim Ryan's words on older games😒
It really isn't surprising their current efforts aren't living up to expectations.
On that regard the Xbox community have been spoiled. 👍
As such, Sony has lots of ground to cover to come even close to Xbox' level for back compat.
At this point, I'll stay unsubscribed until Sony's efforts (not words) have persuaded me. I have zero intention to support half baked efforts.
Oh come on, give them a break. We can all be critical, of course, yet remember they aren't even out in EMEA or The Americas. They will improve it overtime. Now let's all have a drink and enjoy
Man I loved Toy Story 2 on PS1. I think I have a digital copy of it on PS3 too so hopefully it just lets me download it on PS4 without having the sub
I remember I actually used to have a pirate copy/import disc of A Bugs Life on PS1 that my dad bought for me down the market. I had to do that disc swapping thing to get it to play where you stick blu tak on the the button at the back of the disc tray so it thinks it's closed and swap the discs when the speeds changed. I remember it would only play in black and white until I got a scart lead and then I could play it in colour 😂
My brother recently got his PS1 out of the loft only to find that the teenage version of himself had massacred the disc tray by permanently sticking the red Babybel wax into that button to hold it down. He tried to say it was mine and that I had his but I wasn't going to fall for that 😂.
We had a leaked disc copy of that unreleased Thrill Kill game that apparently got banned or something too so we did the disc swapping thing for that as well
Like some have suggested, it's possible that the PAL versions offer more language options then the NTSC ones. Plus some PS1 games straight up didn't release in America.
@spcspc Exactly this.
They can improve the service in time. I just want to know if Vagrant Story will come to it at some point in the next year.
If Metro, Killzone and Resistance games are on it in some form I'll be delighted too.
@AdamNovice like London Racer!
@AdamNovice I hadn't even considered languages as the reason for it 🤔 Good shout.
it looks pretty good to me , i mean its not going to magically change the game , but at least it makes it look better.
@AdamNovice Very likely true about languages, but Nintendo offers both ROMs to solve that issue.
I understand that this is a slap in the face from Sony. With that out of the way, if Sony really wanted to go for true authenticity, then they would be running PS1 games in 480i or whatever they were, rather than upscaling them and cleaning them up. Oh, and throw in the occasional moment of hanging because of a disc skip.
Easy solution = Use converter from Component to HDMI for old machines like PS2 and you can get 1080p on TV + still able to play ALL games library from old machines.
@ralphdibny I've got thrill kill on my ps classic it's easy to see why it was never released lol
@get2sammyb any word on updated control schemes? Or are they keeping it original?
Surely just a technical error, it’ll be resolved once the service reaches the important markets. Can’t be this bad, Sony will probably start offering both PAL and NTSC as well as higher resolutions.
@PhhhCough Originals, I believe.
I'm just guessing here but I suspect some legal issues regarding publishing rights and stuff as a reason for the PAL/NTSC situation plus maybe technical or practical issues to get a proper hold on the original versions/material. Don't forget that it might be easy for us to get a pirated copy somewhere off the internet while corporations would be forced to follow laws and internal policies...
All I can say is this:
I am happy I still have my 60GB PS3 with the hardware-based backwards compatibility.
Sure, there are some nice QoL additions on PS5; but I have a much better selection (and NTSC framerates) on the PS3.
remember if buy a ps1 classic game buy it on ps3 then you get the ps3, ps4 and ps5 versions. if you buy it on the newer consoles you only get the ps4, ps5 versions
The more you hear about the service the worse it gets. No wonder Sony didn't want to release alot of the information. Its just poor
@get2sammyb @AdamNovice It could also be as simple as Sony didn't preserve the US versions of these games, hence why it's the European ones, and why they recently hired a guy to preserve content.
Why on earth are they using pal games still? Did they learn nothing from the PS mini?
For me all these little extra features were secondary, don't really care about trophies or if something is pal or not.
The main concern was what games were being released and how many. In this regard it's a complete failure for me. The ps2 lineup is especially bad but the ps1 and PSP are alse severely lacking
@get2sammyb can you remap controls on PS5? I've got one, I just can't remember! Eg, could you build a "Syphon Filter" profile where you've remapped the old controls to a new style ?
TBH,I'm more interested in how many will get forward/rewind features,& CRT shaders like Oddworld. Some games back then tended to come from EU territories ala Psygnosis,during the ps1 era,so some games were playable enough even if they were PAL eg: Adventures of Lomax,Colony Wars etc.
That said,adding an option to choose a PAL/NTSC version to download/play would be a rather consumer friendly option to entice subscribers for what is after all the "Deluxe/Premium" tier.
Agreed,thus far the lack of PS2 games/emulation progress from the short lived ps2 classics/ps4 emulator is a disappointment thus far. Surely titles like Ratchet & Clank/ Sly Raccoon series would've been obvious starters from their in-house options. (And less likely to have licensing issues).
@Shepherd_Tallon Agreed. Hope the service improves as time goes on.
@get2sammyb Good point on Nintendo. I think all the other mini consoles were fine: PC Engine, Genesis, NES, SNES. Not sure what happened with Sony, carried over the issues from their mini to their subscription. Granted PS1 games are 1-2 generations older than these other mini consoles if that's a factor. Maybe we'll get the whole story some day on the PAL roms.
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