Do you want the good news or the bad news? Let’s start off with the positive, shall we? The PS1 games running on PS5 and PS4 actually scrub up pretty nicely. Sony’s emulator is doing some decent work here, not only adding quality of life improvements like rewind and save states, but also improving the visuals. This comparison of Tekken 2 is particularly noteworthy, showing a clear upgrade in resolution which results in vastly superior image quality:
So the emulator is pretty decent, then, and Tekken 2 is one of the titles using its NTSC 60Hz ROM, so it runs nice and smooth as intended. Unfortunately, the platform holder has used PAL 50Hz ROMs for some games – including in countries like Taiwan, where NTSC was the standard. This suggests it’ll be a consistent theme worldwide, so brace yourself for those slower framerates, America.
Here’s an example of Ape Escape running at 25 frames-per-second, as it uses the PAL 50Hz ROM rather than the superior NTSC 60Hz version:
Based on evidence we’ve seen around the web, this is the current state of play for ROMs Sony is using for this initiative:
- Ape Escape: PAL
- Hot Shots Golf: PAL
- IQ: Intelligent Qube: PAL
- Oddworld: Abe’s Oddysee: NTSC
- Syphon Filter: NTSC
- Tekken 2: NTSC
- Toy Story 2: NTSC
- Wild Arms: PAL
Sony may be using PAL 50Hz ROMs for a number of reasons, spanning licensing and languages. However, it’s a disappointing development for enthusiasts – especially due to the inconsistency of it all. The fact that it’s repeated this issue after the PS Classic backlash is particularly infuriating. One thing worth noting is that Nintendo offers both versions with its Nintendo Switch Online service, so you can choose between PAL 50Hz and NTSC 60Hz, which would probably be the best path to take here.
While it’s easy to get angry about this, we’re hopeful the Japanese giant will notice the feedback and improve things moving forward. Presumably it’ll want to keep gamers subscribed to PS Plus Premium for as long as possible, so there’s plenty of time for it to iterate on the offering here.
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PAL = Boo
NTSC = Yay!
See my comment Sony or else...
Never thought the Ghost of PALien would still haunt us in 2022.
AfaIk they still sell the NTSC Versions of Ape Escape and so on in the NA PS3 Store so I doubt this happened because of licences
Btw, what happened with the Ridge Racer 2 listing in the Malaysian Store? Did it disappear?
This is horrbible
Oh, the horror! What a travesty! Such ridiculous hyperbole.
Why on earth? Nothing about this upgrade is making me want to touch it, beyond the god awful offerings they are trying to call "classics"
I'm not too fussed about this. PAL/50 is how I played them in the 90s, it's how I'll play them in 2022 too.
No harm done.
NTSC or PAL should definitively be a choice up to the player. PAL (Multi-language) should be for those that do not have a good enough grasp on english. NTSC for the rest of us.
Hopefully Sony rectifies this so the Premium tier doesn't become a PS1 Mini tier disaster.
I personally don’t really mind this, but it seems that some companies are just in touch with what their consumer wants.
Wasn’t it some of the backlash for the PS1 Classic?
Got to give Nintendo credit for that decision to let players choose between PAL and NTSC. Best outcome would be if both learned from each other so like Sony adding the option to pick between PAL and NTSC meanwhile Nintendo allowing the NSO games to be purchased outright.
"...including in countries like Taiwan..." You love to see it.
I read somewhere that PAL versions were being used because those versions had the widest reach, presumably due to languages, so you didn't need two versions of a ROM, just one.
Like I said before, I'm happy we've finally got a ROM of the UK dub of Ape Escape officially for purchase. But they should really let people choose, like Nintendo do.
Hopefully Bandai Namco Can Patch In Some Trophy's For Tekken 2.
Anyone who says it's no big deal should try playing PAL Phantasy Star Online on Gamecube at 50hz. Slow af. Luckily you could switch it to 60.
It's certainly not a deal breaker, but this does come across as Sony just being lazy here when it comes to the European region and just copying over their PS1 classics back from the PS3 days.
On a side note, if we've bought PS1 games on the PS3, do we get these for free without having to purchase them individually again?
Probably Sony trying to cut corners financially , as the ntsc versions would be more expensive especially to have both pal and ntsc available. Just hope more ps2 games get added soon
Add the difficulties imposed for the Premium upgrade and that's it now... I give up! The service is PAID!! Deliver the best service possible!! Hell!! Be the reference!! I'm tired of it... When I want to visit these classics I'll turn on an emulator.
Correct. Even in the context of massive nerdery, which most definitely describes my own interface with gaming, it is hard to justify outrage about this and a number of other "outrages".
I played my pirated copy of an imported version of MGS1 in black and white on a 14 incher.
You must remember that the resolution was a lot higher on PAL than NTSC. It may well be that for some games there was just to little information in the NTSC version to scale up decently. It's funny that we have been having the resolution Vs frame rates debates for the last few years when it was pretty much universal in the 80s and 90s that frame rate was king. Most games made outside of Japan and US just had one line dropped for every 4 used. It did not matter much on the TVs of the time but can look quite bad now.
@JON22 PAL TVs could not do 60hz, the main reason for this is most of the world has electricity supply at 50hz US and Japan used lower voltage 120v/60Hz that set the framework for the two standards. You may have thought you where switching to 60 but your TV will have just doing the only thing it could do, 50Hz
I'm subbed to highest tier to 2025, but it is apparent now that I will switch to middle tier once it's over. The premium tier is money waste if you ask me. I don't care about demos, and the list of PS1 and PS2 games is somewhat a joke. I expected to be able to choose from hundreds of PS2/PS1 games. The fact that they are running at PAL region is disgusting choice and should be reconsidered.
I know it’s off topic for this article but does anyone know is it possible to purchase PlayStation 1 games outright instead of subscribing to the monthly deluxe ?
@Meehanuk_1987 I think there was already a mention about this in some other article in the past day or two. They said something about games costing like 4 dollars if you want to own it.
@BartoxTharglod Who's getting angry at this though? This is at worst a mild inconvenience but when we keep getting mild inconveniences here and there they do eventually add up and level up to being a problem.
@pip_muzz this was confirmed weeks ago. Keep up!
@Bamila I think it actually looks like they are doing a good job. As someone above has mentioned the potential technical difficulties which could be present in the 60hz versions. I'm from the UK so played them all like that anyway. I only have the basic for the next year and a half and doubt I will go any higher / resubscribe at all. Currently I just don't think there is enough for me. As a playstation fan for many years as with my Nintendo... I've just been and done a lot of it lol. It all looks very nice but isn't enough for me. Not when game pass just keeps impressing me with new games I haven't played or to be honest wouldn't have purchased initially. It's early days for this though and believe they will find their feet with it.
@Bamila thank you there’s been that many articles I’m struggling too keep up !
I don’t fancy paying the premium I just want to keep the original plus and buy the retro games I want to keep.
@kyleforrester87 I payed a lot more because i had to import it. I think i never have had a stolen game i did have to make them region free though. With a CD and a plastic clip to spin the disc. 🤪
I mean I'm not surprised the PS1 games differ in quality. I'm excited about the new PS Plus but I'm not that excited to play old PS1 games, PS2 yes if it's Persona and a few others(Rogue Galaxy,etc) but PS1 I'm not really concerned about due to how old the games are. I'm excited about the PS5/PS4/PS3 and some PS2 games mainly.
The games they have so far seem pretty good so I'm excited to see what the US gets in June if their are any differences.
I bet most people wouldn't even notice the difference either way.
@TooBarFoo I know that. 60hz mode just almost doubled the speed. Phantasy Star Online in 50hz mode was like a permanent slow spell for the whole game.
@mucc Depends on the game/genre. Fighting game players always felt it as the PAL games were nearly 20% slower than the NTSC (and Arcade) versions. The first three Tekken games were painful to play due to this if you were someone who played these games in the arcade back in the day as the timing in the PAL games was screwed due to the slowdown.
Always made me glad I bought a chipped PS1 and the US NTSC imports. Just as glad I can use DuckStation to play them too.
@pip_muzz only some games. Some classics are not even available for purchase outside the subscription. For example Tekken 2 cannot be purchased separately nor can you download it if you already bought it on PS3.
The emulation on PS5 still has a long way to go! I wonder how PS2 and PS3 game will run! Will it have resolution and FPS improvement! For now with some of the revealed titles looks trash to average!
Streaming PS1 games isn't enough. I want to be bodily transported back to that simpler time, when people didn't give a damn about the frame rate that their blocky, mostly empty 3D worlds were rendered at
It sucks for us in NTSC countries though.
I don’t understand why they just didn’t use NTSC for every region.
This deal just gets worse and worse, there is no defending this as they knew from the reaction to the PS mini that this was unacceptable. At least some are the NTSC versions but even Tekken looks too dark in that comparison and finally you're at the whim of Sony as to whether you can buy the game or not
@TooBarFoo by the time of the Gamecube many PAL tv's supported 60hz and it could be played properly this way
@RainbowGazelle @IonMagi I'll still be playing Ape Escape, but shame we don't have the option to choose NTSC.
@carlos82 Pray they don't alter it further
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