PS5 Firmware Update Beta Launches Today, Upgrades Parties And Lets You Pin Games

Getting silly now. The UI is fine. Focus on technical upgrades. I get the minority of users care about 1440p or VRR but they are important features the bloody competition launched with. Granted I’d have rather had games than those features but it’s been a year already.

The pin is welcome, as is sorting by genre, but I really just want my folders back, please and thank you.

With VRR rolling out on Sonys TV's surely this has to be on the way soon.

So folders by the end of the PS5s lifecycle, okay np Sony take your time I guess 😕

It's actually embarrassing and worrying that a tech giant like Sony still cannot provide any information on when VRR will available, it's been too long now.

Yawn, hire some new Tech Staff Sony if it takes you over a year for Folders (!) and VRR

@get2sammyb im hoping its one of the 'surprise' firmware features but i wouldnt put money on it.

I wish they would overhaul the Media side of things. I purchased quite a lot of movies and tv shows over the years and they’re a mess on PS5. My Game of Thrones Season 7 & 8 are missing half the episodes (though perhaps they’re doing me a favour there…). But there isn’t even ‘play from the beginning’ option. I had to manually rewind the Lord of the Rings Extended Editions 🤣 Even playback quality on the Amazon video app is poor. Some movies look like photo negative effect. I’ve started using my PS4 again whenever I want to watch Netflix, Amazon etc. it’s probably low on their list of priorities but it needs looking at.

I prefer stability updates. At least with those they have wasted almost zero effort into giving me zero extra functionality. I can then fool myself into thinking they are working on something useful for me.

I guess the addition of Sony's own voice commands means we won't be getting Google Assistant or Alexa on PlayStation consoles. Currently, Xbox has their own thing (Cortana) that serves as an interface between Alexa and Google Assistant. It's arguably not too useful, but it is a thing that's cool. One advantage I always thought was in Sony's corner, not that they ever chose to use it, was their lack of a horse in the home assistant and search engine race. While Microsoft used their own services, for better or worse, Sony was free to use Google's far superior alternatives on their consoles like they do on their TVs. I guess not.

@BritneyfR_ee ive noticed that the pulse headset is awful for movies. Bass tones just distort something terrible. Everything else its brilliant at, but 4k movies are a no go.

Give me VRR or bust!!!

Feels like Sony just didn't invest enough resources in getting VRR out compared to our friends in green.

Bought the Sony XH90 TV set last year alongside my PS5 and when the TV got the VRR update in October 21, it was and is an absolute mess. So I don't think that they have the right implementation of VRR...yet.

Folders and VRR it is very simple Sony.
Hope you are not starting to follow you TV department with upgrades like VRR that never appear.
The game market is by far your strongest part of your business so get on it slack arses.

The VRR thing is becoming a bad joke.
When this won’t be included in this, I guess, April update then it most likely won’t be available until Oct/Nov 2022 when the next larger system update will be released - in this case VRR would launch 2 years after the consoles initial release date.

Maybe instead of studio acquisitions we should be talking about Sony going on a software engineer and IT technician hiring spree, say what you want about Microsoft but theirs are second to none (as they should be) just like Sony is best at Hardware.

@BRT15
At least your tv got VRR update, Sonys top end 2021 OLEDS, still no update. Very poor show that is Sony, no wonder you slipped to third in the tv market
Behind Samsung and LG.
Sometimes Sony you don’t deserve your loyal customers.

The pinning sounds cool, I just hope we can pin 📌 the order as well instead of the most recent games jumping to the first slot. More games on the ribbon is also very cool. I think with these two things, and sort by genre, I won’t need folders as much.

Still holding out hope for USB game saves. It is very concerning to me to have games with 300 hours played and I have no way to make an offline backup for safe keeping.

Yeees! FINALLY Parties are reverted. Jesus the current system really sucked. Had to make a party for each little group.

For me that was the biggest complain.

They have really been lacking in customization. Avatars, Themes, Your profile.

I guess folders would be nice, at least you can see more games in the menu.

and I get the people with VRR and 1440p. Hope you get it.

Honestly there's not much else to ask. Maybe bring communities back or some way to meet new people to play with.

@RevGaming I miss the What's New section

@get2sammyb I only realised the trophy tracker thing existed the other week playing Miles Morales and it didn’t even work. So I guess they probably do need to work on that.

I find it ridiculous that the PS5 still doesn’t have VRR. I currently don’t own a TV that offers it, but with the prices on 2.1 TVs coming down this year, I was hoping to invest sometime later this year, like November.

I’m playing on a TV that was really optimized for the PS4 and Xbox One generation. But for the PS5 and Series X, it’s lacking a ton of feature. Yes it has 4K and HDR, but it doesn’t even support 1080P 120hz. It’s an actual 60hz panel.

Oh and yes I want themes as well. The current full screen ads, most not even remotely designed around the interface, make the interface look pretty awful 😞

Sony could be making some $$$$ on selling themes. I have purchased themes but I can say I almost never click on these full screen “news” items. Mostly it’s old news I already read about on Push Square 😀

@RevGaming I thought I would miss themes but I really like how when you hover on a game tile, the whole background changes and it plays a theme song from the game. I mostly hover on Astrobot because the theme song that plays is so good. It reminds me of Alphaville ‘Forever Young’ 😁

@Jeevz me too…I miss the “feed” that showed friends latest trophies and accomplishments. Made the system feel very “alive”

I'm hoping for VRR support purely so people will shut up about it 🙄

@Rural-Bandit
Yes their OLED range is supposed to come with VRR, let’s wait and see 😂
Also still only two HDMI 2:1 ports, however slight improvement one of the two remaining HDMI 2:0 ports is earc.
Why do Sony do this, who knows.
Either cost or stupidity 😂

@frankmcma I also miss the feed.

@BRT15

My theory is that Sony was basing that decision on the TVs the majority of the market actually owns instead of focusing on future proofing.

Most people (even myself, and I’m a hardcore gamer) still don’t have an HDMI 2.1 full feature set TV.

Even with that said, Sony was short sighted in not having VRR ready for at least the first major firmware update. Gamers tend to adopt new tv technology faster than the general market.

I’ll admit that it’s taken me longer than normal to adopt a new major shift in tv tech.

@3Above

VRR is a big deal for games that routinely miss their framerate target, like Valhalla. It eliminates screen tearing when the game drops one or two frames.

I still can't get over parties and friends list now being called "Game Base".

Happy to hear of the party update. Hope that improves what they broke a couple years ago. Everything else doesn't really matter. I guessing pinning a game will be helpful?

Still waiting on picture-in-picture and/or side-by-side running a game and media app.

Also being able to suspend and resume more than one game.

@BritneyfR_ee I don't miss themes either. It's actually funny in a way that Xbox and PlayStation flip flopped now with the Series X having themes and the PlayStation having game backgrounds instead. The option for either or, which is technically there on Xbox, wouldn't be bad to give everybody the option since people obviously want them back. I only miss them if I ever go back to a game that had a really good one like Final Fantasy 7 Remake, but honestly I prefer this way.

The What's New page being replaced by the current one was a huge disappointment. They've made it better by actually having new things in there, unlike when the PS5 first launched it would have things for mostly just your games and advertising them even if they were old. Still, hopefully they bring it back since, like somebody else said, it made things seem more alive.

Whoever thought maybe they'll put VRR in a Spring update, this will be the Spring update. It's going in beta now basically, so it won't be out for a while yet.

Folders on the home screen would be cool and for the library section. I'd like to organize my games into genres, first party, indies, vr etc. rather than sort them by purchase date or in alphabetical order.

@nessisonett

I think it depends on the game.

I’ve been using the tracker to help me try to platinum Ghost of Tsushima PS5.

@frankmcma Same, although I was happy to hear that all the PS4 trophies I've been popping have been showing up in all my friends feeds still. I miss seeing what everybody is playing and popping, the PS5 feels cut off from the ecosystem.

I just want to be able to check for updates on ps4 games in the library instead of having to boot them up and close them to bring them on the home screen to check 😒

@Rural-Bandit
Totally agree you are spot on there.
I just feel that a bit of tv stubbornness or stupidity side creeping across to the PlayStation division of the business now.

It doesn't seems to be a bad update, but when people need to wait six months for a new firmware update, they expect a lot more.

Sony needs to up their game in this regard. Updates should arrive every two to three months max.
I don't know if the the firmware team has five people or something like that, but more resources need to be spent on this.

@uptownsoul
They used to have, I was one of them a few years ago. But they lost me to Samsung and LG now.
I more also meant their loyal gamers.
For me overall they have dropped the ball a bit on the PS5 console itself and also the £70 for games, but I pay it for games like HFW etc.
If they drop the game ball somehow, they will slip and slide downwards, like their tv market share did.

So you were I sit with Sony, as a parent company TVs and even console manufacturer with the PS5 I think they suck and sometimes are stupid and arrogant and can’t stand them.
As for the games GOW, Sack boy, last of us, ratchet and clank, uncharted, HZD, HFW etc. I adore those studios and games, so much joy and pure gaming pleasure.
I know they are part of Sony but it seems it’s the only thing the whole company get right at the moment.
Please Sony parent company don’t mess that up.

@BritneyfR_ee Saaaaame.

Oh. I know what they should add. A global trophy leaderboard.

@TheCollector316 not too useful ? I love telling Alexa to start up a certain game for me ...and it's sooooo funny to tell my Xbox to turn off from my bedroom when my friend is playing it ....ok he doesn't like it but I don't see the problem its got quick resume on games

@Rural-Bandit

Would you recommend OLED?

I’m nervous about burn in of HUD elements in games.

There’s also the huge price jump from mini-LED to OLED.

@Rural-Bandit
Being honest I would not be super shocked if Sony messed up their gaming division, surprised yes but not super shocked.
Also with the green firm wadding in with billions of dollars and being honest trying very hard and being very consumer friendly and the red firm selling switches fun, never say never 😂

@TheRedComet
Hi LG C1 and before that C9 OLED owner, never had an issue with burn in, in many years of ownership.
As for OLED TVs I would recommend the LG C1 over any other tv.

Yah VRR needs to happen. This isn't merely one of the most wanted features, it's one Sony stated was coming post launch, just like they did with their disaster TV the X 900/950H; which I believe took a year to get an attempt at promised VRR then it got pulled, then reimplemented again.

So much of their pre console launch marketing turned out to be either an outright misrepresentation or just ignored post launch. I'm wondering if Sony is actually just having technical issues/limitations trying to implement VRR due to some manner in which they integrate the components of their products.

ALSO I second the push to bring back home screen folders!!!

@KundaliniRising333
Their 2021 OLED TVs still do not have the VRR update.
Now Sony use an off the shelf SOC chip for those TVs so it’s hard for them to implement any updates let alone VRR as the original chip manufacturers have to get involved.
Not sure what HDMI control chip is in the PS5.
As where SAMSUNG and LG design and make their own SOC chip for their TVs, hence VRR for the last 3 years in their TVs not a problem.
Sony make some stupid decisions sometimes.

@RevGaming I don't see that happening. They'd have to actually start policing trophy hackers then, which would require them to acknowledge the Vita exists.

Ha I can’t wait for VRR so people stop talking about this pointless feature. 😅

(Same about 1440p screens)

@JJ2 VRR is far from being pointless.

@Dezzy70 'Premium TV market'. Sony probably don't crack the top ten in most markets now. TCL are #2 in the US for example and have been there since 2017. Saying that if money was no object then a Sony OLED would still be my 1st choice despite their panels being made by LG.

I’m pinning all my FromSoftware games to the Home Screen. I don’t want to see anything else but Dark Souls, Demon Souls, and Elden Ring from now on.
(I’m not joking, I’m obsessed)

@AdamNovice I hope your right. With so many people asking for VRR (including me), I think they would have mentioned it.

@Milktastrophe Idc about hackers. It would be nice.

Perhaps I’m expecting too much but it feels like Sony drags a** in general.

Bare minimum, how is there not a mass delete parties option?

@JJ2 "Ha I can’t wait for VRR so people stop talking about this pointless feature"

So eliminating screen tearing, reducing lag and help with frame pacing is pointless? I don't know but it sounds mighty useful for all the half broken unoptimized trash that's released now a days from some third parties.

@TJ81
Money is now object for me and a LG C1 for me anytime over the Sony OLED.
Sony just skimp on features and charge more for no reason nowadays. Maybe back in the day they had better picture quality and motion handling to compensate for less features and being more expensive, but now that margin of quality has really disappeared to almost zero.

@Juanalf
I hate screen tearing and stop playing any game with screen tearing like farcry 6 on PS5.
So got it for series x instead, VRR no screen tearing.
One up for Xbox on that one occasion.
Sony arseholes for not implementing VRR.
Xbox had VRR on Xbox one x, last generation.

@Shepherd_Tallon I won't need to pin with the 14, that's a good number. In my estimation it'll run the width of the screen...and beyond? 👍

@Dezzy70 yah I had no idea even the 2021 models don't have vrr. It's highly likely the issues you mention here are also the reason the Ps5 vrr implementation has been completely unspoken of by Sony.

Thanks for the info

@BritneyfR_ee my tv box sets are same on ps5 most of the 100 episodes missing from the 6 sessons I bought over the years now I know not just me sony needs to sort it

@Rural-Bandit aren't sony working together with samsung or LG using each others tech am sure read somewhere samsung using sonys panels or vise versa 🤔 or something maybe its Panasonic or Philips or smaller less known 🤔

@TJ81 that's just Usa 🇺🇸 what about worldwide 😆 probably samsung

@Dezzy70 tbh £70 isn't bad considering people pay over 100 for likes of Cod and battlefield now WWE2K22 £104 ,granted playstation exclusives if they include free future DLC with £70 exclusives people might even accept it be like buying game with the season pass like assassins creed £90,

What trophy interface improvements? I've been wanting them to fix how goofy PS4/PS3 main game pictures look compared to the PS5 ones. The clear square around them really puts me off.

@TheRedComet Oh I know what it is, thank to Digital Foundry. I'm just tired of it always being mentioned. Most people dont have VRR compatible TVs so it's really affecting all that many players. I see the argument for 1440p though.

@get2sammyb I would just like it if Sony added back the old Trophy sound. Nowadays I barely hear the sound when a trophy pops. I loved the old one.

@TheRedComet Why dont i see screentearing with the Firstparty titles they arent always 100% stable just asking.

I need VRR to fix that awful tearing on Dying Light 2 opening cinematic! lol

@Jarobusa
It is for me and I’m guessing the huge majority of gamers. Most people don’t have it on their tv.

@Juanalf
It’s only useful if you have an expensive TV using it. So yeah it’s pointless to me and many others.

@Rural-Bandit You mean you use PlayStation just for the exclusives but everything else Xbox?

Appreciate for some people VRR is a big deal, but for the vast majority of the player base, it absolutely not necessary at all and TV's with the feature will be with far less than %5 of the player base.
I have two PS5's in my living room, one on a Sony TV without VRR and one on an LG C1 with it. There's no difference I can see at all, and that's because a huge bulk of titles run at a steady 60Hz and VRR would do nothing at all.
If you want to play console top trumps, maybe this bothers you, but I'm happy to see them concentrating on stuff that actually matters and could be of benefit to everyone rather than concentrating on a tech feature that's barely needed and so few can use.

96th!!!!!

Folders. Do it!!! Cammm annnn!!!

I am getting really ****** off now :-/ WHY OH WHY OH WHY is there still!?!? no way to save PS5 game saves to USB for!?!? :-/ IF MY PS5 DIES SONY I WILL LOSE ALL MY PS5 GAME SAVES!?!? :-/ I would of lost all my PS3 & PS4 game saves in the past if I wasn't able to back-up my game saves to USB stick. I am sooooooooooo disappointed by this & I don't want to use cloud saves always because I don't want to do PS PLUS always to :-/ PATHETIC!!! :-/ Apart from that I LOVE my PS5

By the time I can be arsed to look for a PS5 in the wild, you never know but New Sony MIGHT have sorted out the PS5s O/S with all the nice bits of the PS4's O/S. We can but hope...

@Rural-Bandit I was going to say, why have PlayStation just for the exclusives when you can have both the exclusives and everything else too?

My monitor downsamples from 4K, but I'd love the option to use 1440p as well. Some cool features here for sure, but the one thing I wish they did overall was revert the message groups back to how they were before. I hate that they're a "group" and you have to leave it.

@Rural-Bandit Which do you prefer even if you're not into it, achievements or Trophies.

Notice all the updates so far seem to focus on things that are of interest to online, mp, and service based gamers that play a handful of service games at the same, streamers/trophy hunters, etc, and not much for anyone else? It seems so obvious now....

sigh

VRR is such an obsession though. Most people don't have VRR support anyway. I doubt I'll have VRR support for another 10+ years regardless of having XSX that supports it anyway. I just bought a new monitor (I play on monitor because I prefer to play close up) for the new consoles, and of course there was no such thing as an HDMI 2.1 montior at all when these console launched. TVs were rare and only the exotic flagship TVs had it at the time. But even if most TVs sold have it now, it'll be by the end of the gen that even a majority of players have one. And beyond that anyone going through a receiver, switch, matrix, switch, splitter, etc, will probably never have it because outside the exotic $7000 switches, most none of that equipment even supports it yet. That's a feature that won't matter to the masses until 2032 or beyond.

I think there's more universal features like the shaky remote play functionality, how the system behaves after power failure, needing to connect your DS5 physically to update it while Switch and XB both do it wirelessly, the ability to copy digital games to HDD in the background rather than tying up the whole system while it copies...and the fact that you can move but not copy. So many features that make the PS5 OS feel like it's Windows 3.1, but they're focusing on all kinds of weird little replacement interfaces for things that already existed.

@themightyant I'm kind of in between. I demand folders on all my platforms, and XB has such a robust folders system, and yet, I'm also in the same camp, I've changed how I use them. As my library has massively grown, I, too, have found I spent too much time organizing and updating folders to the point it wasn't practical anymore and most of my folders are obsolete. However I do still USE folders. I may use it more like "pins" but instead of a limited fixed list of a few favorites, I do keep more organized separate "pin" boxes, so the functionality of folders still matters, but I no longer have the entire library cleanly organized.

HOWEVER, that's because I'm an atypical gamer with a library so vast it's just impossible to spend the time organizing it. If I still had the library size I had in 2018, which is still bigger than most gamers will ever have, I'd still think folders were the best thing ever. Do I really need Anthem in the folders, lol? NO. But most people never bought it so it wouldn't matter....

And the vastness of that library comes mostly only on XB where I have generations of BC collections. On PS where it's more focused to exclusives, Japanese games, classics, etc, the library would actually be much more well managed in folders than the endless list on XB.

@JJ2 I can only agree. Most people I've seen bitching about VRR, when you question them further, haven't even got a telly which supports it!
However - for the statistically insignificant proportion of users who do have it, I can see the annoyance of not having it supported.- especially if you have a few titles which would benefit from it.

@Titntin
It’s funny because same people promote a console who can’t even support 4k. 😅
Which should be bare minimum for a new gen.

@Flaming_Kaiser

Sometimes it’s not very noticeable. It really depends on the game and the image being rendered at the exact moment. In some games it’s very noticeable; I always go to Valhalla because it was extremely prevalent. The gameplay was almost always locked to 60. But in cutscenes it would usually drop a few; anywhere between 56 to 59 FPS on PS5. It was very noticeable. It’s also prevalent in Far Cry 6 and any other Dunia engine game.

By comparison, I only noticed screen tearing in Returnal once, despite the game dropping frames during the most hectic moments when the particle effects were on full blast.

@Titntin

It’s quickly becoming a standard in TV sets.

Once HDMI 2.1 is supported on all sets, it’ll become a standardized feature.

The next TV I buy will have it. So I want my PS5 to support it by the time I get a new set.

@JJ2

Performance is more important than resolution. 4K Native is a waste of resources in my opinion. TAA solutions (like Insomniac’s Temporal Injection used in Ratchet’s performance modes) and software/hardware based Super Sampling get close enough to native 4K without having the enormous performance cost.

I’m hoping that in the future, more developers utilize either their own custom TAA solutions (like Insomniac did) or if they can’t use AMD’s FSR (which both PS5 and Series consoles support) instead of pushing for Native 4K resolutions.

These consoles are actually very capable of running many games at 120fps. But they can’t do it at Native 4K or even 1440p. That’s where TAA or FSR comes into play. You can essentially go for an internal resolution of 720p or 1080p and use the super sampling and temporal anti aliasing techniques to approximate what a 4K image would look like to the end user. And they get awfully close. DLSS has the best results, but it requires nVidia’s own AI cores. By comparison, FSR and TAA work through software.

@TheRedComet
Sure I didn’t mean native 4k. Dynamic resolution and 4k reconstruction are the smart way. A decent powerful new generation console has to be the base though.

@TheRedComet I'm well aware of the state of the TV market, but you seem to over estimate how many of the PS customer base will buy a TV with these features in the next few years... it will be a small sub set of the customer base which is why Sony are in no rush. there are still many TV models in 2020 which still don't support VRR, it will be a very long before before it is universal.
If you believe that having a 2.1 certified HDMI port guarantees any particular feature like VRR, then you are very sadly mistaken and not keeping up with tech news. The standard can be used as a label for the port even if it only has one 2.1 feature, so hdmi 2.1 means very little and customers have to check specifically for the features they want or risk not having it. Dreadful standard - no one knows what they are buying.

I read your next post too and agree wholeheartedly that AI upscaling is the smart way to use system resources effectively, no question. But the end result they are aiming for is a good 4K output, so regardless of internal rendering solutions, you still need a 4K screen... these consoles were designed for 4K output.
Thanks for the posts though, they are bang on point and full of good info even if I would dispute the conclusions xD

@Rural-Bandit Are you aware that Microsoft are going to be doing a Platinum Trophy on PlayStation equivalent but for Xbox in the future? Jason Ronald said so in a video on YouTube.

@JJ2

I think the Series S is the odd man out.

It’s like a GTX1060 in a pool full of 2070 Supers (the PS5 twins and Series X). I like the Series S as a concept, but developers aren’t really pushing its potential at all. Even Microsoft’s own studios aren’t optimizing most of their games for it. There’s no reason Halo Infinite retail release should be capped at 30fps on the Series S when the early Betas were running at a decently smooth 60fps.

@Titntin

Yeah I understand that some set makers aren’t applying all features.

But in the long run, by the latter part of this generation, I’m expecting all of the advanced features to be on all TVs with the exception of the bargain basement sets that sell for 400 or less.

@Carl-G I'm guessing that you haven't seen that backing up game saves to USB is already available in the current firmware. You can also choose to back up Games, Apps, screenshot, videos etc. You'll find it in Settings->System->System Software->Backup and Restore->Back up your PS5

@stu123 Same for me, again

@Angelus3K The UI is considerably worse than what was on their prior console, which is also the unanimous opinion. It could certainly be improved, which they're slowly working on. 1440p/VRR support is coming, its just going to take longer.

@Vertpin I prefer the PS5 UI apart from the lack of folders. VRR is much more important that visual UI tweaks.

@Angelus3K Lots of users are playing PS5 on the monitor, and we are kind of punished without a specific reason :/. It is not that PS5 can't support 1440p, it is more than Sony doesn't want to add it. For example, I use a 27" PC monitor in my home office, it is (2560 x 1440 px (1440p)), the native resolution is excellent and sharp. But connected via HDMI to a "superior" PS5, it only shows games in 1080p, and then the graphics in most games are blurred same as when I had PS4 (which I btw. sold to buy PS5 primarily because of better graphics). I don't know what VRR is, and that is an entirely different issue. But Sony should enable basic features like resolution support. Xbox supported that years ago...

@Angelus3K You're in the minority, then. These UI tweaks take less time than VRR. It's coming, don't worry.

@Barson24o2,

You can send it my way if you like. Find me on PlayStation at kingv84

why won’t they bring the web browser back ? what in the actual ***** .

@nomither6 Sony seems to be afraid of hacks through the browser, which won’t stop hackers from doing it some other way.

@TheRedComet Thanks for the information i have to be honest im not that critical anymore. With Firstparty i know it will be fine and with games like Dark Souls i will be fine.

Im kinda done with Ubisoft as a whole and with COD i will buy them every 3 years and EA yeah i somehow never buy their games a maybe the new Dead Space and that will be it. Im hoping for their last indie game to get released on disc and then im done.

VRR and 1440p resolution - not seeing it happen on PS5, maybe on PS5 Pro or PS6, when VRR will have a much larger implementation and 1440p will be too old to matter too much.
Sony is like water: if they're not forced down a road, they'll choose the path of least resistance, in this case less work for the same money.

Why would they implement VRR when a lot of TV's (which is the main display type intended for a console) that are actually in use don't have VRR. The majority of PlayStation owners don't have a year 2020 or 2021 display.

Why would they implement 1440p, when it's mostly demanded by monitor users, that don't make up too much of a percent of it's customers? Not to mention 4k is quickly becoming mainstream as 8k starts replacing it as top resolution.... 2k is on it's way out.
And not to mention that even 1440p monitor users can use the console, in 1080p. It's lower but it works, they can use the device. So why bother? There's no emergency here, as Sony sees it.

I really miss the friends feed from PS4. Makes the PS5 experience feel really lonely.

@Shinnok789 Heck most 22 displays don't even have it. Only premium models do. And even Sony's premium model doesn't yet.

@Titntin @TheRedComet HDMI is a cluster#### and no mistake. So is USB at this point. Once the standards organizations sold out to manufacturers business demands for marketing purposes the standards lost all practical meaning. And HDMI at this point is inadequate for what it even tries to do. Once you get to a format that the cable can't even carry a full bandwidth signal more than a few feet reliably, the whole standard is a joke, let alone the feature implementation so you have to read a checklist to see what feature a given TV supports, where most consumers don't even understand what those features are, it's a joke. Like how USB 3.1 can actually be USB 3.0, unless it's 3.1 gen 1 because Apple didn't want to not be able to apply the standard to their latest hardware that only had 3.0 and stomped their feet at the time.

I'm not sure we'll be getting to a point where a HDMI 2.1 port means you definitely have VRR or some other feature in the next 5 years. In fact I think we're not going to be there when 2.2 is out. And most ancillary hardware BARELY supports 2.0 still at this point. Granted, Sony's part of the problem, themselves, as a TV mfr, but the whole thing is just a mess.

@JJ2 I agree with @TheRedComet, I feel like 60fps, not 4k, should be the bare minimum for the generation. That's really the innovation and leap forward for consoles that have been trapped at 30-fps since the PS2 and changes the whole feel of how a game controls and animates, even if it comes at the cost of resolution. A normal 1080p Blu-Ray still produces a more detailed image than a 4k video game.....they still have a lot of improvements they can make at 1080p to get quality as good as film at 1080p, but 60fps animation there's just no substitute for unless you're going explicitly for 24fps cinematic presentation, but then I think a game should take special care with how the camera controls and not have a swing-behind-the-shoulder (or first person) camera perspective for such a game.

This is awesome! I can't wait to get chat parties back. Folders would be nice but for right now I am just happy to have parties return. Do we have any sort of ETA on when this will come to the public at large?

@NEStalgia
Was talking about supporting (dynamic) 4k here. Of course that means some games absolutely need 60fps. So supporting both is good and it is what it is 👍
(Was talking about hardware potential here)

A bit of common sense guys. It’s not one or the other. Any machine can do 60fps.

@Rural-Bandit
Hi mate, congrats on your LG C1, its a nice telly and I bought the 48 inch myself as a monitor for my PC. I couldn't resist buying a second PS5 to run through it too - that way both myself and my wife can be playing PS5 in the same room on different screens xD
As for the feature set, it makes zero difference in my experience of the games I play, and I regularly play the same game on a TV both with and without VRR - apart from the screen display differences of course (one is high nit HDR, but OLED has colour pop and black detail to compensate). Even with my PC, where VRR might get some use, I run a 3090 Ultra so I simply never dip below 120hz or 60hz on the games I play and VRR does nothing for me.
I hope Sony's 1st party titles stay locked @60hz so I can continue to be ambivalent about VRR

I think you will find that most people buying a new telly couldn't give a fig about VRR and will simply buy the best picture quality they can. I'm actually not a fan of LG's operating system, start up advertising and intrusive OS systems changing display settings I deliberately choose, so now that OLED is offered by so many, I'd never choose LG again. That screen pops though and games look super good!
In terms of image processing and motion clarity for watching film and TV content, LG is not optimal, though I could not say say its poor by any standard. There are definitely better sets though in terms of these attributes, so people like me who see no pressing need for or difference with VRR or not, will make a purchase decision based on having a better picture and motion handling rather than tick boxing a feature of little relevance to their needs.

For myself, I need high brightness as my main room is bright with lots of windows (the OLED is at the darker end of the room!). I'm excited to get OLED pop and dark levels with better peak brightness and the new techs coming in the next year or so should have the brightness I need for me. I imagine when I buy a new one its likely to have VRR anyway, but if it didn't it would not be a deal- braker for me, and I do run a Series X through it which has VRR.

I guess we all have different priorities, but I did just want to point out that its not an issue for many, even tech heads like me xD

Thanks for your reply!

@Rural-Bandit Thank you. I've not played Far cry 6 or Res 8, which may explain why I've not seen the need for VRR! Maybe if I had, I'd have a different opinion xD.
My pockets are not that deep my friend, but my wife married me as a game developer who constantly held gaming parties, so she accepts a significant part of our income will always be spent in pursuit of perfect gaming Good job she plays games as much as me!
Stay safe!

Why isn’t anyone talking about ALLM or game mode? It’s a disgrace that Sony hasn’t fixed this. Every time I turn on the PS5 I gotta go into my tv settings and turn in game mode. This is a disgrace and should have been a feature since launch.