Leaked legal documents published online as part of the ongoing Capcom leak have started yet another social media sh*tstorm, as non-lawyers misunderstand the language and share their interpretations online. A clause in Sony’s marketing contract for Resident Evil Village mentions that “each version of the game available on PlayStation platforms [must] maintain content, feature, and technical parity (subject to any material platform limitations) with any equivalent version of the game or DLC released on any other competitive platform or PC/mobile platform”.
Some people on Twitter and enthusiast forums have taken this to mean that PlayStation has paid to ensure the title performs identically across all platforms, but it’s not true. In fact, this is just bog-standard legal language that stipulates Capcom can’t add “exclusive” features to Resident Evil Village on any other platform if they’re not present on PlayStation 5 and PS4, which obviously makes sense given the context of the document. Similar language can be observed in a comparable Microsoft contract through here.
This is the second time in as many days that social media has been outraged by a leaked document it doesn’t understand. Earlier in the week, it was widely reported that PlayStation had paid to delay the PC version of Monster Hunter: World, and was responsible for the release’s lack of cross-save and cross-play. That information was misunderstood before being shared, and has since been clarified by the proliferator – another example of why you shouldn’t believe everything you read on the Internet.
With regards to platform parity, it’s absurd that people would even think such a thing to begin with. Sony’s corporate mitts are all over Marvel’s Avengers, but that game has a lower overall resolution on PS5 than, for example, the Xbox Series X. There is a clause within the Resident Evil Village document which states that PlayStation has dibs on adding the game to one of its subscription services, such as PS Plus or PS Now. Again, this is all fairly standard stuff – the marketing arrangement also means PS5 and PS4 players have been able to play the title’s demo first. Shocker!
[source twitter.com]
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Legal speak - it's all white noise to me.
I just wanna enjoy these games.
People be dumb
Haha, bloody hell, can we all just calm down? It's like the gaming community needs something to be outraged by, so it digs up these legal documents, completely misunderstands them, and proceeds to go apesh*t. It never ends!
@BoldAndBrash Twitter has always been bad, but honestly it's gotten so much worse over the past year.
"This is the second time in as many days that social media has been outraged by a leaked document it doesn’t understand"
I would have assumed this happens 3 or 4 times an hour
The internet used to be a series of tubes, but now it feels more like a machine for turning misunderstanding into ad clicks.
Social Media is, in general, a huge outraged misunderstanding beast.
Look the internet got upset at something...again
You’d think that “(subject to any material platform limitations)” would have tipped them off 🙄
@thefourfoldroot Apparently not!
Lol of course a fan site would defend sony on this saying no. Meanwhile PureXbox list this as RUMOR. Doesn't effect me either way as i have pre-ordered this on Xbox 1 as i have all my Resident Evil games over there
This is what happens when regular Joe Blogg's suddenly think they are lawyers.
The only negative spin on this is that the document does show that Sony have paid to ensure the game can't hit Xbox Game Pass for at least 12 months, and after that Sony have first dibs.
Other than that, the document is standard affair for a marketing deal.
@theheadofabroom Its still a series of tubes, but they have been retrofitted to be sewer pipes.
Could I go full tin-foil hat conspiracy theorist for a minute? What if Microsoft are using sock puppets and bot farms to stir up negative sentiment against Sony to try to turn their fan-base against them. It's worked for many governments, individuals and companies over the last few years...
So I take it Sony have basically blocked resi 8 from appearing on game pass ?
I think there’s a small part of the Xbox vocal community that is actively trying to put Sony and PS in a bad light. I still remember the “leak” that stated ps5 wasn’t able to run RE8 in 1080, 60fps...
@vapidwolf No, they just have "dibs" on putting it on one of their own subscription services for a year. As they're the marketing partner, this is perfectly normal and understandable.
I don't understand what people are losing their minds over!
@vapidwolf
Thats what purexbox says probably for a year. Maybe Village will be May's PlayStation 5 plus game
@vapidwolf IF the document is true they paid to add it to their services before. What is wrong with that? For all we know it’s the same thing for many GP deals
@blinx01
This was an interesting point. If Sony now have to pay for games not to go to Gamepass for a period of time, then that makes them creating their own new game subscription service slightly less unprofitable and so more likely.
@TrueAssassin86x Absolutely zero chance RE Village is on PS Plus in the near-future. Zero.
@get2sammyb If I buy it and it turns up on PS Plus in June, I'm sending you the invoice
@get2sammyb Twitter... initially I didn't see the point of it, but signed up. And I really quite enjoyed it. Spoke to some good people with similar interests... it was all pretty friendly.
In the last (I'd say) 3-4 years, it has degenerated into a very polarised thing. Seems mostly filled with hate from people unwilling or unable to consider any point of view but their own.
I'm still using it, but much, much less than I did. No matter who you unfollow, the unsavoury stuff still seems to weasel its way in your feed from retweets or suggestions. When I use it on the web, I've even started to access it via tweetdeck.twitter.com so that I don't get Twitter's own recommendations, because even they are often filled with clickbait headlines and nauseating content.
@get2sammyb
They have blocked it.
"During the term, Publisher shall not shall not authorize, assist or encourage any third party to include the Game in any Competitive Platform subscription service that is competitive with any PS Subscription Service, including but not limited to Google Stadia Pro subscriptions, Microsoft's "Xbox Live Gold", "Project X Cloud" or "Game Pass" subscription service or similar Competitive Platform subscriptions services."
@ShogunRok It's not a new observation, but regrettably I don't think to propensity for outrage in recent times has been at all limited to gaming circles. Rather, the gaming community is just reflective of the propetual and unnecessary anger that is so widespread in today's world
@Paranoimia Yeah, agreed with you on Twitter in general. I still use it as well (although a lot less these days), but I'm very careful what I post and share now. I prefer to retweet things I like/have worked on/think are cool. I'm very conscious of not contributing to the toxicity (although I'm not perfect).
@thedevilsjester Nah, that's just social media and news websites. The non-sewerpipe-tubes are there to keep you around to click on the endless flow of excrement
@PapaGlitch Very true, it's a microcosm in a sea of microcosms.
@blinx01 Read the next part. The "term" is one year and it explains how if Capcom want to put it on a subscription then Sony has first right of refusal to put it on PS Plus/PS Now.
What do you honestly expect when they're the marketing partner? It's why the MLB thing was so absurd to begin with, as many assumed they'd have a similar kind of clause for that!
Twitter is a blight, just delete twitter, it's the place where people pretend having outrage and cancel people. I already delete twitter app from my phone and nothing value was lost.
@get2sammyb
Yes, I can fully understand why they'd do it. Why pay to market a game that could be 'free' on a rival platform? Makes no sense.
However, you stated to @vapidwolf that they hadn't blocked it. That's the point I was correcting.
I really fancy having another go at the demo....Oh !
I do find the part about a deal to have the demo on PlayStation first quite strange. Not seeing the benefit Sony get from that.
@hypnotoad Yeahhh, that demo is a mess!
@blinx01 No worries, I see what you mean now!
@dav2612 It's just marketing. It more "closely" aligns the game with PlayStation, I guess. I'm sure they have data to back this kind of thing up, but I agree it seems stupid when you stop and think about it.
@get2sammyb I know it's been brought up several times, Sammy but how ridiculous are these timed settings !!!
@ShogunRok some of the comments in that twitter thread are mind blowing. Folks saying its doesnt say something when the post they are responding to contains a picture of the exact thing they are disputing. Even when its pointed out to them they refuse to acknowledge it.
Twitter is the absolute worst. I wish it would cease to exist. It gives voice to the tiny groups of people who lose their minds and in turn is picked up by mainstream media. It’s a cancer to society.
It's a conspiracy I tells ya! fixes tin foil hat
Twitter is such a sewer system. I'm pretty sure they dug this up to get mad at Sony since they can't get outraged over the PS3/PSVita online store debacle anymore.
@ShogunRok You mean the Gaming Community has taken 'something' out of complete context and/or completely overblown a situation? Never!! its never happened and will never happen
I know you know this next bit, but for others...
Parity means the same 'core' experience - that doesn't mean visual quality/settings or 'performance' - it means that the story, the setting, the 'game-play loop', etc etc is the same. It means that Playstation gamers (in this case) cannot miss out on some 'content' (like an extra area to explore, an extra character, an extra weapon or even an extra 'cosmetic'. These have to be on Playstation. If the Playstation can only offer 1440/30, its not going to 'ruin' the game experience by demanding its 4k with an unlocked frame rate capped at 60fps - just to have visual/performance 'parity' with another platform that may be able to run the game comfortably at 4k/60 - This is a 'hypothetical' situation as we know this game will run at 4k/60 on PS5 but the point is visual/performance is not part of that.
Part of the reason I prefer Consoles in general is because the developers should optimise the game to the fixed Hardware spec of a console. If they cannot get the 'same' visual quality and performance from two competing platforms, I would rather they optimised the game to run consistently at a fixed frame rate and if that means a big difference in the 'visuals', so be it.
On a separate note, I am often not impressed by the choices Capcom often choose at launch with their 'RE' games in recent years. RE8 is no exception. I really do not understand why these games don't have 'caps' on the frame rate or use Dynamic Resolution. Its clear that the RT mode on PS5 could benefit from DRS to improve the frame rate consistency. On PS4/Pro too there are modes that a 30fps cap and/or DRS would improve the overall experience. In the past too, they have 'pushed' resolution too high for the game to run consistently on at least 1 platform.
Throughout the last gen in particular, there are so many games that had some deal/association with a specific brand, but the games were far from 'equal' on visuals - the XB1 for example running at 'lower' visual quality than the PS4 and the XB1X having the advantage 'generally' over the Pro - that's expected because the devs are 'optimising' the game to the 'specific' capabilities of the hardware and as soon as they don't, the Gamers will question their integrity and/or ability.
a guy ive known from way back on a forum put a tweet out saying he wants Microsoft to sue Sony because its anti consumer I said, tongue firmly in cheek, you mean like buying a set of studios and making all there games exclusive despite them being on multiple platforms for the last 20 years. You'd think I'd pushed his mum down the stairs with his reaction.
social media was a mistake!
Woah woah woah dumb Twitter people aside can we just acknowledge how anti-consumer it is of these big companies to release the inferior version of a game 6 months - a year before the superior version? Reading that Monster Hunter line re-opened an old wound for me with Capcom and Rockstar on that one.
Having the console version release far before the PC version encourages “double-dipping” and doesn’t benefit anyone besides the shareholders. Even when the PC version is taking longer to develop, which is understandable, it hurts the fans to force them to chose between missing out on a launch or paying for a game twice. For most big releases there’s no issue whatsoever with getting a game out on all platforms (or if there is a delay the inferior version comes last aka DooM on Switch) but for whatever reason in 2018 we had two huge releases do this. Capcom is even doing it again with Monster Hunter: Rise coming to PC in 2022.
Just had to bring this up eh PS? 😑
I've seen lots of Xbox fans losing their mind over this even though there's virtually no difference in the consoles anyway. Not to mention that PC isn't going to be held back by PS5 settings
Haha that's it. That's how they ll explain the PS5 power for the whole generation. I mean you have no chance to reason with idiots who think they are more intelligent than Cerny. I loved how Road to PS5 exposed thousands of them 😆
@gregarus I too have been thinking this. There seems to be quite the movement to psychologically destabilise PlayStation owners confidence in their own platform. Despite the minimal differences between the consoles at the performance levels. And some of the best games of the generation running beautifully on ps5 hardware.
I didn't hear about this, but heard that sony is looking for some kind of agreement with capcom, to keep resident evil village off of gamepass. At least for the first year.
@LordSteev very well said.
@Kopite Yes. Microsoft who is worth over 10 times what Sony is worth is obviously at a disadvantage.
@Kopite Those games would have come to Xbox anyways. Microsoft essentially paid 7.5bn to NOT have them on PlayStation.
@KayOL77 he tried to compare Microsoft buying Bethesda to Sony buying Insomniac which I found pretty funny tbh
@Jimmer-jammer Thanks man!
@Kopite @gregarus Yeah. Despite I think 16/17 games exclusive to ps platforms and a close relationship with Sony. Bethesda made a significant amount of money from PlayStation platforms. They aren’t even in the same league.
Twitter is full of twits.
Hahaha the nonsense that people believe on here sometimes I tell ya
@get2sammyb as blinx noted, it is being blocked for a year. There is a chance the game would had not gone into any such service for a year regardless, but blocking like this just does not sit well.
It's one thing to have some exclusivity deal, it's a whole other legal matter to just block any consumer facing deal at the same time the company refuses to provide that deal.
In the US, at least, that is often seen as an anti-competitive, consumer hostile move.
If this was going onto PS Now, that would be a different matter, but it's just about blocking a deal that can benefit consumers.
Also, I'm holding my judgement on the technical parity side until Digital foundry gets on the case, but there is no question the XSX has more horse power than the PS5, and the odd 45fps on RT for both platforms simply sounds extremely suspect. If they actually set a 45fps hard cap on the mode, I know what side of the "conspiracy" I'll be siding with at that time.
@Tharsman Xsx is going to have to render native 4k probably with raytracing. The ps5 checkerboard implementation is a very good one. Very smooth and well worth the slight image compromise. One thing that can really hurt native 4k is the sheer amount of alpha effects. Resident evil demo exhibits lots of alpha on the outdoor scenes. It’s locked 60 on ps5.
@KayOL77 the Raytacing mode is the one I was referring too, they so far said it targets 45fps at 4k on both system.
@Tharsman I think it might be referring to a worst case scenario. The demo on ps5 rt does not drop to 45fps. But then we haven’t seen all areas. It will be interesting to see how xsx handles native 4k + 60fps + rt + periods of full screen alpha.
@FatalBubbles This site is basically twitter too, lol. Merge purexbox, nintendolife and pushsquare and you'll get the same results.
@get2sammyb well you know because erm...people.
Wow. This is interesting. It’s entirely possible that Sony has updated its contract for 3rd parties to disallow them releasing games on PS4/5 for full price IF the competitor(who is 10+ times more wealthy) is willing to give its customers said game for borderline free. I hadn’t even thought that this was a possibility!
@TrueAssassin86x The biggest Playstation hater that needs to be here its getting sad. 🤪
@ScottyG Or you wait and buy it on the platform you want. Damn and i thought was weird Nobody has a gun to your head that you need to buy it. A little patience goes a long way.
@Flaming_Kaiser
Lol I said right in my comment “force them to chose between missing out on a launch or paying for a game twice.”
Please read my full comment before you @ me have a good day! 😁
"this is just bog-standard legal language that stipulates Capcom can’t add “exclusive” features to Resident Evil Village on any other platform if they’re not present on PlayStation 5 and PS4"
Shucks. I was hoping for Indiana Jones to be an xbox exclusive unlockable character for RE8.
@gregarus I've read many articles about xbox that read more like infomercials than opinion pieces recently, i'm wary of forming conclusions based on just that, but that's how it is I guess.
Guess Xbots will have to pay for their games, like the rest of the world.
@Balosi even comments in YouTube promoting Xbox seem to follow a template with words being swapped around 🤣
@Kopite My own brother seemed to get quite hostile at me the other day because I’m not making any moves to get an Xbox and gamepass 🤣
@PapaGlitch You have a point mate. I think it is much more widespread and nothing seems off the table to target. I wonder if people are genuinely feeling they are suffering more for things that used to be easier to deal with.
People gonna ‘people’!
@KayOL77 my brother has been hostile to me since I sold my 360 (already had a PS3) because I only played Forza and left 4 dead and didn'tthinknit was worth it. Everything else i played on playstation. I then didn't want an xbox one because of the whole TVTVTV and the price of the thing and now, he's just screaming "game pass" at me. I trialled it for 3 months on my PC and there is a hell of a lot of filler on there and PSNow has a wider choice, and games can be downloaded now too, so for me, it's a better value proposition... he's become really toxic towards me and Sony.... there really are hard-core xbots out there. He always goes on about how it's all about the games, yet has refused to get a PSVR, even though he calls himself a hard-core console gamer. He said he's going to wait for Microsoft to release VR when the technology improves..... surely, as a huge company, you innovate for yourself right? ..... xbots will be xbots
@KayOL77 I recently rebought a PS3 so I could Replay Dead Space, my friend told me to pick up an Xbox Series console because there backwards compatible with 360 games, he couldn't get his head round why I didn't want to pay £250 (minimum) when the PS3 I got was £60
@Beefy01 I was in a similar situation when I sold my 360, I was only playing COD and Mass Effect when that was announced for PS3 I sold the Xbox the weekend after
@Beefy01 Your brother is hostile to you just because you prefer one console over the other? Lmao
@Beefy01
Wow that's sad. I always thought console wars was only on the Internet. I've never seen any toxic behavior in real life and have many friends who like xbox. Only some harmless jokes sometimes.
On the Internet you have all the psychopaths spending unbelievable time being shills or looking up everything they can find trying to spread FUD.
You would not believe what they capable with countless alt accounts or in deranged continuous tweets pretending to be experts. And I'm not talking about the amusing back and forth for fun but about some really deranged people.
@JJ2 probably my brother lol
@get2sammyb absolutely. I have to really limit my time on there.
@JJ2 they ARE deranged. It’s sad.
So this outrage is directed at Sony for being prepared to spend money when MS weren't? Or have I misunderstood? I expect MS could have beaten Sony's bid had they wished (what with having access to most of the money in the world that isn't Jeff Bezo's). Shouldn't the Xbox gang be asking why MS didn't secure them exclusively...or just bought a copy for every Xbox owner? These console manufacturers are all generous benevolent charities after all!
I remember MS having this same clause for the X1. Weren't people really mad about it back then?
@Gilvin hyperbole sells
@Beefy01 tell him to grow the f**k up. 🙄
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