CD Projekt RED has launched a new webpage outlining its commitment to restoring its reputation after last year’s disastrous Cyberpunk 2077 release. On the site, the Polish developer addresses its fans directly, outlining a roadmap for future updates to the title, as well as a personal apology by co-founder Marcin Iwinski, which we’ve embedded below:
In the video, the bigwig addresses all of the criticisms that have been aimed at the massive role-playing release. He stresses that the title’s shortcomings are not the fault of its development team, and fall directly at the feet of management – including himself. He explains that optimisation of the console versions, such as the PlayStation 4 edition, continued until days before launch – hence why review code was held back for outlets like Push Square.
Iwinski goes into a little more detail about the challenges it faced developing for Sony’s last-gen console, but he makes a few curious statements along the way. For example, he suggests that “our testing did not show many of the issues you experienced while playing the game”, which seems utterly unfathomable considering the scale and scope of the problems.
Nevertheless, he says that a new patch will launch within the coming days: “The first update will drop in the next 10 days, and it will be followed by a larger, more significant update, in the weeks after. Our plans for supporting Cyberpunk 2077 in the long-term are unchanged, and we will continue to introduce updates and patches to give all players across all consoles and PCs a better experience with the game.”
He also adds that the developer hasn’t changed its approach to the title’s previously announced free DLC, but that its “top priority” is working on patches and updates. “We will be releasing free DLC afterwards and we’ll have more to say about that in the coming months,” he promises. As previously announced, a native PS5 version will be made available as a free update, and this will launch in the second half of 2021. There’s no word on when the title will return to the PlayStation Store, although it states that it’s working with Sony to bring the game back “as soon as possible”.
Elsewhere on the website, the studio explains that it will not be “crunching” its staff in order to produce these fixes and updates, and it’ll be changing its approach with future projects. “The team is working to bring relevant fixes to the game without any obligatory overtime,” the webpage reads. “Avoiding crunch on all of our future projects is one of our top priorities.”
While we certainly saw plenty of promise in the project, we awarded it a 3/10 in our Cyberpunk 2077 PS4 review due to the scale of the issues. “Cyberpunk 2077 is a blatantly unfinished game, and the worst part is that CD Projekt has known this to be the case for quite some time,” we said. “On PS4 and PS4 Pro, poor performance comes close to wrecking the experience.”
[source cyberpunk.net]
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We'll see shall we...
Talk is cheap.
All because they wanted to hit the holiday release...
Yeah I'm just building a gaming PC now, not specifically for this but I may as well play it on that rather than wait for the next gen versions
I'll reserve judgment for when we see progress. People falling over themselves to praise how 'honest' they are on twitter makes me chuckle. I've finished the game and platinum'd it so will probably only go back to it when the PS5 native version arrives. I am glad I did that now considering we won't see it till the back end of the year.
I was waiting for the PS5 version... but I will most definitely have lost interest by half way through the year.
Wanting to hit the holiday seems unfathomable, as it would have sold like gangbusters regardless of when it launched. I'm still waiting to even start it, as I'd like to have the most ideal experience possible. Is it worth starting on PS5?
CDPR are sounding suspiciously like one of my exes at this point.
My question is how long Sony refuses to list the game digitally on PSN? I can't imagine it is a forever situation, but how long? If the January update is substantial? Do they wait until after February or could they possibly keep it off most of 2021?
So the only version available is for the console that can't run the game and the one that has a chance to run properly is 6-12 months off? Were releases for Witcher 1-3 this bad?
The game is more well received and just a better experience on PC like he said but that's not even going into the crazy bugs and glitches I've seen so far and especially the lack of what they advertised like multiple branching story options and more romance options than just Judy and Panam
I'm still having fun on the PS5 and not too bothered by a crash every 4-5 hours. You can predict a crash because there's a glitch in the matrix first.
@jmac1686 Well I guess they will put it back as soon as the game is in a reasonable playable state on the old PS4
Could be after the next update within 10 days, could be after the update in February, could be neven (doubt it thou)
Looks like all those death threats paid off
@nessisonett They said they wouldn't take it up the arse but they still did?
@hypnotoad That made me laugh. Though some folk barely object and actually welcome it.
So i'll buy the complete edition on Ps5 come 2022 good to know.
second half of 2021 means Fall which will change to Spring 2022 and then maybe May 2022 to actually exist, Xbox series X will probably get theirs in September
CDPR saying they didn't experience as many of the problems in testing as players did seems suspicious but at least they're prioritizing fixing the game.
@JudasGoat if you’re looking to have the most ideal experience I would definitely suggest waiting for the PS5 version. I’m really enjoying it on PS4 Pro, but I haven’t had any where near as many issues as some folks have. Seems like a gamble at this point.
With that said, even with my palatable experience, it clearly needs a lot of TLC and I couldn’t possibly recommend it for someone looking for the best experience. There is a great game here and your patience will reward you.
Edit: just to add, my friend bought it on PS5 and had it crash pretty much hourly. He then had his save file corrupted and swiftly requested the refund (which he still hasn’t received).
@hypnotoad As a bisexual man... I worry that further discussion of your scarily accurate comment might bring the mods crashing down 👀👀
2022 the game will be acceptable "playable" that is a hell of a long time, why bother buying it at all and waiting that long?
@nathanSF Do you see a black cat then a moment later see another black cat?
@Gaming365247 yep, sure seems that way 😜😜😂😂
I really enjoyed my time with the game (it's the closest thing to an open world Blade Runner game) but there's no doubt about the game's issues. All I want now is for it to be fixed and hopefully the free DLC adds to it substantially like more romance options, more customizations, more places to explore...just more of it cos outside of it's technical shortcomings it's still one of the best open world games, it's just that right now it feels like it's in alpha state. I just hope people don't give up on it.
Wow, that’s quite a wait for the PS5 version. I won’t even consider picking it up until that point but hope that everyone that’s already got it can enjoy it a bit more with the new updates.
@nathanSF same. It crashes every few hours, and there are a few visual hiccups now and then, but aside from that the game is incredible. The scale of the city is unlike anything I've seen before in a game.
I was very critical of how it was at launch, and I still am, but there's no denying there's something special here. Unfortunately it just needs a few more turns in the oven.
Welp, guess my wait to play will be a bit longer then. May not even get to it until 2022! Hopefully everything is ironed out by then, though what a disaster all around.
That’s a lie. They knew about these bugs and didn’t fix them z it’s not even optimized for PC. Yeah, CDPR is an untrustworthy developer. Witcher 3 goodwill was a fluke.
@nessisonett You're Bi-sexual?
I'm Tri-sexual...I'll try anything once.
I won't really.
I'm all talk.
Just ask the old woman.
A few things that didn't get addressed in that pathetic little mea culpa:
1. Why did everyone who was interviewed about the PS4 and XB1 versions lie about its quality?
2. Why did CDPR prohibit outlets who wanted early review code from showing their own footage and not strictly trailer footage? This is for the PC version.
3. What is the reasoning behind CDPR's founders and board not delaying the game further into 2021, or simply just delaying the console versions?
4. How much more brutal crunch are they going to force the developers to go through to fix the owners' screw-up? I have no reason to trust that they won't enforce crunch considering they've lied about this in the past.
I'm not expecting these things to be addressed because they're too uncomfortable for the founders to talk about publicly, but if we're going to play the "we're sorry, here's our open and honest apology" card, let's put on our big boy pants, cut the crap, and talk about the super uncomfortable and inconvenient truths of this game's development.
I completed a runthrough on PS5 with two crashes (one during the ending, annoying) and one bugged quest line that I couldn't finish. It was very good, nothing amazing. I may do another run once the native PS5 version launches.
Calling it, GOTY 2021
My refund was already processed. I’ll get it again years from now when it’s been patched to hell and in the bargain bin.
@JudasGoat I'm about 30 hrs in on PS5 and having an absolute blast. Yes it crashes every now and then (10 total; people seem to be reporting a wide range of crash frequencies), but it autosaves so frequently it's not been much of an issue other than being annoying (and I manual save with a few slots). I say give it a shot if you have a PS5. It's janky and unfinished looking, but also weird and unique and a hell of a lot of fun. And the upgrade will be free in the end, so no huge loss if you decide to quit and wait to play later. I'll be starting a fresh character build whenever the upgrade drops.
Cyber’punked: Ashton Kutcher Edition coming late 2021
I’ll hold out and buy this game in 2022 IF they fulfill promises made about dlc and updates.
I'm seriously starting to wonder if the inevitable expansions will be free or extremely low price at this point as a part of this extended apology tour.
272 hours total put into this so far. I think I like this game quite a bit.
@kyleforrester87 LMAO don't encourage them.
I think I will uninstall this until the PS5 version comes. 100gb for this game is not worth at all currently
I respect that thr Co-founder actually admitted that they were at fault and to not blame the developers.
@ApostateMage To be fair, while I can acknowledge and agree with almost all of the complaints people have had, I also really like it as well.
It's a really great game, and it's such a shame that conversation will always be dominated by the missteps CDPR management made.
Ps5 version later half of 2021...UGH
So glad I got my refund from sony! Played in ps5 for around 10 hours a d the crashing was to much not to mention how butt ugly it looked, well see what state its in come the actual next-gen version
170 hrs. so far. I like it better than any Ubisoft game I've ever played. On a base PS4. Can't wait to see how they add to it. I'd rather play a buggy great game than a smooth average one.
I will definitely be picking the PS5 upgrade version off the game. I assume most bugs will have been sorted by then. Looking forward to the game. cheers
@ApostateMage nobody cares how much you revel in filth they just look at you and laugh
I finally broke down and asked for a refund yesterday. The game is really fun, but the constant crashes completely destroyed any chance of me getting immersed in the world. It loss quick on my PS5, but that doesn’t make it less irritating. After his statement about not encountering many of these bugs during development, I knew I made the right choice. I enjoy CDPR games, but they’ve lost any support from me, including future endeavors.
I cant speak for last gen console players, but i quite enjoyed the game on PS5. After about 50hours in I had a few crashes here and there but nothing game breaking. I enjoyed the game and will continue to enjoy it. People want to bitch and gripe about anything and everything. They were not allowed enough time to get everything fixed and im fine with that. I will continue to send bug reports when I can to try and help the cause and get the game where it needs to be. Those who got their refunds awesome, I wasnt expecting this game to be anywhere near finished there was just no way. Its not like back in the day where a game was made and if it had bugs you were *****. Now we got patch updates that come out and fix things. Their will be many who do not agree with my decision and thats cool get your refunds and move on and sucks that the game was ***** for ya. I myself cant wait till they come out with this update for Ps5 going to make it even better.
I don't know why CDPR didn't say
"Our game is in wonderful shape. No game has EVER been released in a more wonderful, beautiful state than our game. Millions of people agree, that our game is the greatest game that the world has ever known. In fact, our game had a 10 rating across the board STOLEN from us!!!"
Seems to work in America.
CDPR: We were working on & QA testing this right up to release the bestest game ever! (Yet we DID have time to pre-release pc review codes for positive reviews & previews from influencers)
Also CDPR: Shocked Pikachu face,it's BUGGY! How did we miss this?!😂
Man that christmas money didn't seems so good anymore, now their reputation, stock, and relationship with sony is taking a hit because of they don't want to delay the game for at least 3-5 month.
@Papasears
Games should be released in a functionally complete state. Some bugs are expected, and that’s fine. But this game was broken upon release. Absolutely broken.
Quite concerning he did not address working on missing/broken features like the 'wanted' system. Even if there were no bugs and performance issues, the game is still unfinished
I don't believe them. Never buying another CDPR game at launch again (thank goodness we received refunds)
Ruined their goodwill.
Now the question is, what will come first: me getting a rtx3080 or Cyberpunk on PS5.
the problem with this is that I could have bought a copy at the end of the year for 80% less then what I paid when I pre ordered... Thanks for robbing me off money for nothing... I aint playing it now, its just collecting dust.. smh
Even without the bugs unless a lot of the cut content is restored and some direly needed quality of life changes are made, this game will really only over be mediocre to me. Really glad I could refund it, as I was incredibly disappointed with the end product.
I'll pick it up for $3.50 next year.
@ILikeStake seems to work like that everywhere now a days =/
@TheRedComet eh, I was able to beat it, save file didn't go anywhere and there was no game breaking bugs (in my playthrough). I get your point though
@Boon520 i didnt care for witcher 3 at all, I was wasting my time on MGS5 that year.
@jmac1686 i would hope they keep it off until the game stops crashing at the very least. Even then the game is mediocre and nothing new. I would highly suggest waiting not only for the game breaking performance issues to be fixed, but for them to improve really poorly implemented systems in the game.
Here we go again...part 2 soon and part 3 releases later half of 2021...
@Dodoo Yeah they should of concentrated of getting the PC version ready for Christmas then spend more time on the last gen versions for March release.
I don't believe what he said about testing as my friend came across loads of bugs within 5 minutes of playing.
I bought the game at launch but haven't played it yet as i want my first experience to be a good one as there's a great game beneath that buggy mess. I will wait till after the two news patches come out.
Question to all Cyberpunk owners here:
How big is your save file ?
I read if you played since day one (like me -but I gave up after 12 hours of bugs and crashes) you will get crashes if your savefile is bigger than 8Mb.
Mine is 222,3Mb !!!
I'm playing on PS5 through BC by the way.
The more I think about this ps5 update the angrier I get. I mean why release a game that doesn’t work on old generation and is at least 6 months away from being ready on new generation.
@Zeke68 You're pretty late on that, they fixed it a while ago
@nathanSF The crashes got worse for me in the second half of the game. It was like once in every 2-3 hours. By the end I encountered even three crashes during 15 minutes.
Only one regular and the secret ending left to complete, buy all cars and clear every district and platinum no. 13 will be mine. I really enjoyed the story and characters, gameplay was solid but really nothing special. Shame that crashes and many, many bugs took some enjoymnt out of it.
What is sad is I don't think the original vision of cyberpunk that they promoted and everything that was supposed to be in the game will ever be realised.
I think their reach exceeded their grasp.
Average game at best .
The game was bizarre for me on PS5:
All the way through act one without a bug, around 7 hours of play and really enjoyed it.
As soon as I started act 2 it was a bug fest and IMO totally unplayable, so sold while the price was good.
May dip in on the PS5 “proper” version, but only if it’s at least half price 🙄
@Nepp67
I played the first 4 days after release, quit due to nonstop bugs and crashes, tried again on christmas eve after that patch, played 4-5 minutes until it crashed and never looked back.
Until I saw an article about 8Mb today
So I guess if I delete game and save and reinstall and start from scratch I would have less crashes at least ?
The game still look like a PS2 title while driving and the city is far from populated on most places so I'm problably won't play this game in a long time anyway, especially with Hitman 3 coming next week and so on.
@2cents Mate, I don't mean to be rude but you sound like a complete and utter bellend!
@Zeke68 Man just wait until the 2 patches come in(first comes on the 23rd) you'll be doing yourself a favor. Unfortunately the next gen patch comes around the second half of the year.
@Boon520 I'm currently late into act 2 on my second playthrough. I just love exploring in any well built open world game and Night City is absolutely stunning for just wondering around and taking in the atmosphere. I really can't wait to play the proper PS5 version where it will look better and feel even more alive.
@Nepp67
Yeah, think you're right. I just uninstall it now to free up space on my PS5 for Hitman 3 instead. I also bought Code Vein and Nier Automata on the january sale so I have alot to play the coming months, not mentioning Nioh 2 that I play right this moment.
(Typing this inbetween missions lol)
I was waiting for the next gen patch, but I think I've gone past the point of caring now.
Don't even think I'll pick it up then. But I was barely interested in the game in the first place and it didn't really stand out as one id enjoy even when it was hyped up to oblivion, never played the Witcher series.
"Our testing did not showed a big part of the issues" really?
I guess that their qa team is not so great after all..
And not a single word about hiding on purpose the console versions on review.
Sorry, but this message didn't not improve in anyway my feeling towards CD red projekt..
And the excuse that the game is huge and all, well, just look at rdr2. it delivers way more and worked way much better.. That being said, i did not asked for a refund for my game, but it's still inside the plastic wrapping..
PS5 version was advertised as "coming in early 2021" before the launch and the wording they chose sounded like it will happen somewhere in the January-February time window, and now we're looking at a September–November 2021. Wow. On the positive news – I received my refund for the PS4 physical version directly from CDProjekt RED via PayPal. So it really worked.
@Zeke68 Hahaha, I actually need to continue playing Nioh 2. I forgot what mission I'm currently doing but it's in a cave with Lamias and a snake boss.
Glad I got my refund will be using it towards mass effect legendary edition.But before I preorder anything il be waiting for reviews learned my lesson.
@djape
Absolutely true but they allowed refunds, why wouldn't you apply?
@Mittsu was in hospital and wasn’t really up for the process
Well I've been playing it on a base PS4, and it runs much better after the two patches. To say "it's unplayable, it's a scam" like a lot of comments on here is ridiculous and makes me think people haven't even played any of it. The game itself is great and I can't put it down - unlike certain other games that bored me to tears within hours ( cough Far Cry games cough)
Yes it's not perfect, yes the visuals need more work but overall I'm loving it
@KingPev
100%
I am loving my time with the game, I am over a 100 hours in and almost at the platinum (I have the last mission to finish it off with the various endings). I have had a few crashes but nothing major on PS5.
@ApostateMage Do you know if it will be a separate trophy list for PS5?
do we really believe the PS5 version of Cyberpunk 2077, is gonna magically make the game better?CD Project Red we are tired of your lies/excuses, you lied to us about almost/everything about the game and know you want us to believe, here the PS5 version of Cyberpunk 2077, it magically solve all the issue PS4 and Xbox players is having with this game, don't fall for this fallancy.
Glad to see them at least trying to communicate and fix the game. What's done is done, but I'm confident they will sort things out. Like some already said: beneath the mess lies a gem of a game. Got Cyberpunk for Christmas, and I've barely played anything else since.
@Boon520 I've got it on pc, and looking at hours played on steam it's barely over 4, just couldn't gft into the game
Cool. Hopefully I'll play it later this year when 1) I have a PS5 and 2) the genuine PS5 version is released.
Same with Valhalla, another title I don't wish to even attempt to play on my base PS4.
It was the right move from sony to remove this bug-fest..if a developer doesn't respect a huge user base (115million ps4) then good luck selling to pc's and deal with piracy.
@2cents
Funny no cares about your comments. I just sit back and laugh at them. I bet your one of the idiots who hate on TLOU Part 2 for whatever reason too.
I am so glad i cancelled my pre-order before this dumpster fire of release.
As much as it hurts, I hope they also delay the ps5 version of the Witcher to get the cyberpunk into next gen asap.
I wonder if a PS5 will be available to guy by the time that version is out? Anyway the game has kept me thoroughly entertained for nearly 80hrs on a council PS4. What a world to explore and stumble across “stuff.” Gone “walkabout” in the Badlands for days.
I had loads of crashes on PS5, resetting my settings each time annoyed me so much I put in a refund request but heard nothing so after the second patch arrived I started playing again.
Still regular crashes but the settings were fine after each one and the load times so quick I didn't get too bothered. Got really engrossed and unlocked the platinum just before NYE.
Then yesterday the money was refunded...still had no notification/email from Sony. But now I feel quite guilty for getting it back seeing as I finished (and enjoyed it alot).
So I've £50 burning a hole in my pocket...maybe I'll buy The Witcher 3?
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L
Just like the hate on this game? Broken record much. Next game everyone will hate will be Resident Evil Village. And funny how 8 months out from release people like you are still triggered by TLOU Part 2. Then again 8 months from now people will also still be triggered by cyberpunk though its hopefully fixed by then
I always expected it to take up to a year. It's the same time frame as GTA V was last gen. Comes out on PS3, just as PS4 is launching, but takes a year to get upgraded.
Im enjoying it on PS5 I started playing a few days after release. But Im feeling like it may become boring here real soon Iv completed main story last week. Also I do see a crash or bugs every few times I load and play, from disc, never anything to major. I did have a couple glitches that had affected my mission or story I was on.
@Mostik I'm unsure, I haven't even got a PS5 myself yet. I hope it is a separate trophy list, though, I love a good trophy ping when I'm playing games.
@ApostateMage I am hoping so too, as I am really enjoying the game and would love a reason to start from scratch on the PS5 version (which I might do anyway). For info the trophy ping on PS4 is way better than PS5 IMO but good luck in getting one absolutely loving mine 👍
@JudasGoat it crashed on me a few times but it’s way better than PS4. Hoping next patch fixes it
I hope that the native PS5 release has a physical copy, this way I can buy it pre-owned.
@RBMango Allow me to answer your questions on behalf of CD Projekt Red.
1. Money is more important than the truth
2. Money is more important than informing your customers
3. Money is more important than quality
4. Money is more important than people
My main concerns are with basic design issues that they will find near impossible to fix with patches.
It's all so surface level. There's no feedback from character progression. I can barely tell the difference after 'levelling up' and still having to pump a dozen bullets into perps.
Changing your cyberware is just a menu. Jeez. Give us skippable cutscenes every time we make a change at a ripper. Give modifying our bodies more import. Crafting is pretty pointless with so many other guns in the world. The non-lethal options are lazy and the enemies react in the same way whatever you shoot them with. The hacking mini game is cack. I don't know enough to say the terrible AI can't get patched, but I hope it can. Tactical options in combat are quite limited with no variety leading to a vast amount of similar encounters; sneak around until one person spots you (which means everyone spots you) and then mop up whoever you haven't stealthed in unchallenging combat against pants AI. It's the future! Where are the drones?
Most disappointing to me so far has been the monowire. What? You're giving me a monowire and not giving me the option of garrotting people from behind? Ditto human shields. Hmm. Does that make me sound like a psycho?
I should add the caveat that of the 50 or so hours I've spent playing, I've mainly been doing side missions. I'm now just gonna mainline the story to see if that improves my opinion.
Well... I got my refund. But! I hope this will be an example for every other publisher who is punishing their workers that hard that they are forced to release this unfinished sh*** of software like it was and still is since day one. CDPR will never see my money again. Poor workers there. All of their work is lying in the dirt now. As always... the CEO´s do not know what is going on with their Dollar signs in the eyes... other than that. What is so special and better in this game than in others? I know bigger and better looking open world games without bugs and glitches everywhere. I feel a bit ripped off there.
@Shepherd_Tallon Are the standards this low now its crashes every few hours...☹️
@Flaming_Kaiser I would hope not. I remain very critical of that, as I said, and also of how badly it performs on last gen.
But there's no denying how special the game will be if and when it's fixed. And presumably it will be fixed. We just shouldn't have had to buy it first. I'm not a fan of early access, and this was very much an case of early access at retail.
Hopefully this is a water shed moment... Or I'm very naive because I can remember saying the same thing when Skyrim launched.
@PossibLeigh
I think you'll like it better following the story. There are some real nice set pieces in there, as well as some dialog done, imo, much better than most open world games.
Also, my therapist told me that doesn't make you psycho. (But my therapist exists only in my head, so, grain of salt.)
@Kidfried CDPR should hire you as their PR manager. Those are far more honest explanations than anything I've heard from them so far.
@LordSteev Haha, that's the only way I could afford a therapist! Thanks for the feedback, mate.
I don't really care about Cyberpunk 2077 anymore since I tried it on my base PS4 (which was the initial target) and it was trash, got my refund and I'm happy now...I will come back if the game runs and works well maybe next year? dunno, in the meantime there's a HUGE backlog on my bag and probably better games coming...life goes on. peace out.
@Shepherd_Tallon Skyrim was the game that made me dislike Bethesda i never had seen such a mess of a game.
@Flaming_Kaiser Indeed. I've been going back and forth this gen on whether or not I want to keep playing TES games.
I'll get a Series X at some point possibly, for Avowed and Fable. But I don't know if I'll be bothering with TES VI.
@nessisonett You can trust me
CD Projekt RED the Lando Calrissian of gaming.. Scoundrels to a man, but we have to try to trust them right? Because they're still the good guys.. 🤔
@Shepherd_Tallon The Bethesda game i played most is Fallout Shelter. 🤪
The problem is that its free too play with all those crappy timers. I would have gladly payed too get rid of them. Its a pity the game would have been so much better without the free to play mechanics.
My problem with Bethesda is that all their games are gimped on a Playstation so i have no special feelings toowards their games.
@Flaming_Kaiser Yeah that's fair. They can be pretty broken at times. TES VI needs to be something special in my books anyway, otherwise I think I'll be finished with that franchise.
@Shepherd_Tallon And i hope i can even play it on Playstation if not then i wont bother im that cheap. 🤪
@Matej Wow, that's awful.
@hypnotoad I thought pan-sexual were people who got off on shallow fried food
@nathanSF Yeah, tell me about it. Yesterday I was painstakingly picking items from storage of my car to sell them to vendor/advancing time and repeating it until I had enough cash for buying last car (because you don't have enough even after completing all crimes/gigs/etc.). And what happened after all this process? CRASH.
@Flaming_Kaiser Honestly this has been making me think, and if Project Awakening and Crimson Desert turn out to be solid 7/10 titles, I don't see why I need to play TES anymore, or where I would even find the time to play it.
@Shepherd_Tallon Yeah i agree there are so many great titles too play anyway.
I may pick up this ***** show game in 2022 in the bargen bin not before !
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