You Can't Use PS4's Controller to Play PS5 Games

Happy we got confirmation for wheels, that was my main concern

Im hoping at least that ps4 games played on ps5 can be played with a DS4. I get that it shouldn't be expected that PS4 controllers will work for all games, but for some games where haptic feedback and what not aren't needed, and assuming PS4 games will be available to buy of the psn store on PS5, Sony should allow devs to implement ds4 compatibility. But i totally get Sony wanting to make some more cash from selling Dual Sense controllers. I don't like it, but that's business.

@redd214
Wait, wheels?

@TheAdza Did you even read the article before commenting? They confirmed DS4 will work on backwards compatible games on the PS5 in the second sentence.

@AlexSora89 Yes, racing wheels

@AlexSora89 The console is so big, it requires wheels to move around the house.

Makes sense since devs want to take advantage of what the DualSense has to offer.

I've just had to buy a new DuslShock 4 and they're still £45+. Strewth!

I just hope the new controllers are a bit more robust than the DS4. My ps3 controllers were indestructible and the batteries lasted forever. The PS4 controllers are utter pants. It’s like they made them with the snowflake generation in mind.😂 My 8 year old son got his PS4 at Xmas and his controller has tracking issues already and half the thumb sticks come away. I’m personally not interested in the vibration features and I knock them off anyway as I find it irritating. I just want a solid controller that doesn’t break after a few hundred hours use. I do love the speaker in the controller though. That was a neat addition.

@ApostateMage
I bet the Dual sense are £60 easy

@Kunfoostu "It’s like they made them with the snowflake generation in mind."

I was going to use my post to point out that as far as I can see, the DS5 doesn't have any features that would make a game impossible on other platforms, but then I saw this.

And now I'm trying to wrap my head around you complaining that stuff falls apart, and that the people who look after their stuff are somehow more sensitive? Like how do you make that logical leap?. "Stuff falls apart, people are snowflakes"

@Richnj I concur, this is reasoning AD 2020.

It's a shame it doesn't work though, the ps4 controller is my favourite, and the new one looks a lot chunkier.

Started seeing twitter blowing up about this a short while ago,& bit confused as to the reaction? Never expected DS4 to do anything other than play ps4 games via backwards compatibility. Clearly newer tech on Dualsense designed for next gen stuff. Its not like M$ for all their use your old controllers hype for next gen are going to sell a controller-less box with series X in it,are they?

And what about playing ps4 games on the ps5 with the dualSense?

@Greenfisted i did read it, admittedly really fast. I read something back to front later on in the article. Dyslexia can be a bit of a pain. Thanks for pointing out my mistake on the backward compatible issue. It did make the article seem like click bait and not make much sense to me until i reread it again for a 4th time.

YES !! WHEELS !!! Thanks.

I mean, it makes sense.

You can't use a plastic knife to cut hard food. You need a metal knife for that.

Yes its a kind of duh statement. The reaction is hilarious and predictable though. People react as if there s no DualSense controller included with the PS5. They are just being manipulated as usual mind you .
🤯
It's great and hopefully will push devs to use the DualSense features.

@Shepherd_Tallon
Hey. Most games are still cross gen anyway as of now so I dont see the problem. Eventually it will make sense to buy a second Dualsense but I dont think it's necessary now.

Edit
Of course there are LBP and,Astro bot but playing them with a DS4 would sort kill the purpose and what makes them interesting I guess 🤷‍♂️

Honestly what did you expect? Hardly surprising.

@ShaiHulud Yeah, I really like the DS4. It is by far the best pad on PS.

I bought a £100+ pro controller for the Ps4 which I love........ nice to know I have wasted my money and wont be able to use it on Ps5, Thanks Sony

So it will actually work with PS5, just not with new games, only PS4 games.
Not that big of a deal for me.

Makes sense. DS3 does not work on PS4. What's the point in having a brand new PS5 and then still use a DS4?... Sony has done the right thing. DS4 can be used for PS4 games on PS5.... Ideal.... PS5 games require Dual Sense.... Perfect.

The only reason I never bought an Xbox was the controller because I get a horrible wrist pain after playing even for 20 mins.. and now PS5 has copied their horrible design but I was hopeful when they said DS4 would be compatible, and now they say it wont work with new games (

@Kunfoostu What do you do that makes your DS4 break after only a few hundred hours? I'll admit they're absolute garbo by first party controller standards, but as long as you aren't abusing your controller by jarring the fronk out of your analog sticks, you can easily get well over 1,000 to 2,000 hours out of it. That said since my launch Wii's Wiimote and Nunchuk, Wii U gamepad from 2014, and my original PS2 AND PSOne controllers all still work, it shows how crappy the DS4 controllers are since I already replaced two of them...

Isn’t that kind of what I said. They are very weak compared to previous models and I suspect the ps5 controller will be even more delicate

@Richnj if a 8 year old can break a controller through use it seems pretty flaky to me just like the generation of people we are in. I’ve owed most consoles growing up and still do. I get them out every few years and everything still works and I’ve never had to buy replacement controllers for them. I now own 4 PS4s 1 for each of my kids and I’ve had to buy a few replacements. My kids are not aggressive children. They’ve been brought up to look after stuff. The controllers on the PS4 are naff this isn’t new news there’s plenty of forums about them. I stand by my snowflake description of the controllers.

That's... a really strange and annoying move. I can't see any reason why they couldn't work. Especially for local multiplayer. They just want us to buy more controllers instead of using the spare DS4s we'll have lying around?

@Kunfoostu Yeah, but a few hundred hours is like 1/8th of the amount of time my controllers have been lasting me...

@Robocod I think one reason some are angry is because Sony confirmed Dual Shock 4 controllers would work on PS5 even before they talked about BC, so it has been assumed all this time heart rate and microphone features would be optional or at least only required on a game to game basis.

Some already were planning to only own the one DualSense controller since they likely already had all the DS4 they needed, and again, it was reported earlier they would work.

@Kunfoostu As a former 8 year old, older brother of 5, uncle to 4, father of 1, and a former youth worker, an 8 year old is exactly the type of person who will destroy something through use.

"seems pretty flaky to me just like the generation of people we are in"

This is a weird topic to keep coming back to when discussing the build quality of a controller.

And xbox is bragging on Twitter that Series X is using xbox one controllers now 😃
I like how some of the press were trying for years to convince people that console war is some 'fanboy' imagination.

@Richnj Ha I remember my brothers bouncing the old SNES controllers off walls and each other’s heads when they would lose to each other and wind each up playing street fighter 2 turbo or Fifa. Ds4 can’t take that kind of punishment just like a father of 1 and former youth worker it seems. In fairness it was a tongue in cheek comment which I knew would make some one cry. I was referring to the sensitivity of the controllers nowadays is comparable to people nowadays. You seem case and point to me. Ultimately my point away from making you upset is the controllers are not that resilient and as they add more and more tech to them the more delicate they get. I personally just want a solid controller to play games and I’m not interested in it shaking if a character farts in game.

@Kunfoostu "Ds4 can’t take that kind of punishment just like a father of 1 and former youth worker it seems"

"making you upset"

No, as I pointed out in my first reply, I'm trying to wrap my head around it. I'm not upset, I'm just confused. Take the above quote. You're saying the DS4 can't be bounced off walls, and apparently neither can I?. What even logic is this?.

Not surprised Sony forcing me to buy additional controller, but excuse that it is needed for new features is comical. Both controllers have 2 sticks, 4 buttons, d-pad, 4 shifts, ps button, start (options) button and huge select button. Anything else is expendable (and will be switched off immediately).

I just need a GameCube controller si I can play Smash Bros on my PS5

What about PS4 games that are re-released on PS5? Like the Overcooked edition that comes with both games and all DLC? Will I not be able to play that with the DS4, but be able to play those games with the DS4 if I buy them for the PS4 separately?

This is a mess.

Recall how they started out the generation making fun of MS with how easy it is to share games between friends on PlayStation? Where is that simplicity here? Their FAQ page on games and peripherals compatibility will be a joke.

This is just greed to get us to spend on additional controllers I'm not happy about this 😡😡

@Richnj Damm... do you take everything so literal all the time. I bet your fun at parties. 😂 Don’t try to understand my logic. I was being facetious, flippant, sarcastic. I can’t be upset mate even with a killjoy like you. My medication doesn’t allow it. By don’t allow it I don’t mean my medication has a verbal say just to clear that up before you ask. Love you 😘

@djlard
Ummmm...new consoles come with new controllers. That's been the industry standard since Pong. People making an issue about it (or corporations acting like this is a selling point for them) are silly.

@sabaki08
The PS1 controller did not work with the PS2. The PS2 controller did not work with the PS3. The PS3 controller did not work with the PS4...notice the trend?

At least the PS4 controller will work for PS4 games played on the PS5. That's something that has never been offered by Sony before...so a lot more pro-consumer than what you are making out.

@Kunfoostu Wow the passive aggressiveness is strong with you...

@KisekiFan7 The Yoda wannabe reeks in you and thx captain obvious 🙏

@djlard
I will post what I did on PureXbox regarding this:

I can understand why PS4 controllers won't work with PS5 games. Its sometimes not that simple.
See Ratchet and Clank:

"“It also lets you know how the weapon is behaving,” Smith said. “One of the examples is the Enforcer, it’s a double-barrelled shotgun. It uses the adaptive triggers to give you tension as you’re moving your finger down halfway, you can fire one barrel.

“You pull it all the way down, you can fire both barrels. But all along the way, you can feel the difference between the tension tightening up.”"
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2020/06/ratchet-clank-rift-apart-ps5-dualsense-features/

This would simply not work on a PS4 controller. You basically can't play Ratchet and Clank on a PS4 controller. So Sony could have gone down the road saying "as a dev you can support PS4 controllers if you want", but then some games having support and others not will lead to customer confusion and probably to a lot of unnecessary complains. So maybe Sony just thought F it and took the easy road.

Take it how you will. But Sony is trying to innovate and sometimes it simply means leaving things behind. Just like Nintendo does. Sony is not consumer-friendly, they are dev-friendly. They listen to what devs want to be able to realize their visions and they build it. Most of their events are around developers being able to build their visions on PS.
Xbox is consumer-first. Most of their events are around value for the consumer.
That's the difference between the two.

I am happy that with PS5 a dev can choose to purely support PS5 and all new features without having to worry about compatibility with devices that don't fit his vision.

Anyway I think the DualSense is awesome and it's a bit like from DS3 to DS4, theres no coming back once I start using it.
🤷‍♂️ I dont know what's going on with the fuss.
Whatever

@lacerz not always the case, ps1, ps2 were interchangeable between both consoles, ps3 ps4 both share controllers also although the ps3 does not work with ps4

@redd214 Same. Now I can get GT7 day 1 instead of having to worry if my G29 was going to be compatible or not

This happens every Gen i.e the new console and accessories can't do this and can't do that with older Gen consoles But I know it will happen so I am not to shocked anymore

@tatsumi I know that first games gonna present "new" gadgets of controller - which will die sooner or later - but it easily could be bypassed... I know Sony supports devs rather than customers, but sometimes it is on the edge of ignorance. Of course I'll buy another DS5 as soon as it will be in different color.... it was just a scream of unhappy customer, hoping that one day big corporation look down and realise their customers want something different (backward compatibility) because only a few of people have one spare room to be filled by older consoles.

@djlard
Yeah, it would be great if Sony could be a bit more consumer-friendly. But then on the other hand, how many split screen/couch co-op games are there really on PS?
Just googling quickly about couch co-op games, it doesn’t seem like there are many at all.

Still, Sony could have gone down the road saying “if a developer wants to support it, he can, but there won’t be general support”. And the DS4 support function just being a flag that is set in the game’s compiled settings table.
So that the consumer can scream at the dev to support it instead of Sony.

It’s all about setting customer expectations right. Just like with M&KB support. Sony themselves should force innovation. But they could sometimes also just give an option to devs.

@tatsumi There are two reasons I "must have" second controller.
1. Diablo
2. Because of distance, it is very uncomfortable to play with wire, so one controller is charching, while second is in use.

@lacerz No one had that expectation then, but today, when all the tech is pretty much on the same page and interconnected, you can't tell me that. The reason it was a thing in the past was because of tech limitations. Figuring how to make such thing work today is basic stuff.