Xbox boss Phil Spencer has given a backhanded compliment to Sony, saying that he thinks the Japanese giant did a “good job” with its recent PlayStation 5 showcase, but believes Microsoft will be able to demonstrate the Xbox Series X’s “hardware advantages” with its speculated July livestream. He added: “I think we’re in a very good position.”
“Just being honest, I felt good after seeing their show,” said the talkative suit. “I think the hardware advantages that we have built are going to show up as we're talking more about our games and frame rates and other things.” The executive is referring to the fact that Microsoft's next-gen console has more teraflops than the PS5, although Sony’s system has advantages in other areas, such as the speed of its SSD hard drive.
“I thought they did a good job,” continued Spencer, speaking as part of GameLab Live. “I thought they do what they do very well and they did that, but when I think about the position that we're in, with the games that we're going to be able to show and how they're going to show up, and the hardware advantage that we have, I think we're in a very good position.”
Microsoft’s already had one shot at showcasing the Xbox Series X, which went down like a lead balloon. However, Spencer has suggested that fans are “going to be really pleased” with its next showing, which is likely to centre on exclusives like Halo Infinite. Rumour has it that Sony will speak again in August, with this month’s reveal event touted as just the beginning of PlayStation’s communication plans.
[source gamelablive.com, via videogameschronicle.com, gamespot.com]
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A new ip would be good you can't just keep wheeling out halo forza.
And say buy our system!
I am one of those who would never buy an Xbox system ever again.
That said, if an suikoden collection or part 6 is announced I HAVE to buy it.
Luckily, that will never happen.
Or will it?
Nah, never happen.
I hope Xbox does bring it, I think they will have a good launch line up, better than PS5.
But we all know Sony will bring out the big guns next year and continue through as they did with PS4.
@darksoul77 they know that!
It's why they then wheel out gears of war every other year.
Only joking xbox fans, can't wait to see what the presentation is like.
I'll wait and see if these "hardware advantages" actually mean anything. Native 4K is the resolution bar and I dont see 10TFlops on these new GPUs having any trouble reaching that so 12 Tflops is kind of a waste. ( Xbox One X did some games in native 4K with 6 Tflops) And it's not like they will be showing games like AC Valhalla running at 120fps. Most ppl still have 60hz refresh tvs.
@themcnoisy they've learned how to make a system that works but forgot what made the 360 so popular!
Nope. The damage is already done. The public has largely already dismissed the Xbox One S Series X One 360 Series. Its gonna be PS5 and Switch in every home.
Show us something new take a few risks !!!
@3Above I think because they're launch games will also be coming out on Xbox One they're going to be pushing framerate and resolution rather than visuals.
Sony's reveal was very good overall, but it's not like it was a knockout blow.
Microsoft can definitely showcase new games with even more gameplay this time round than the PS5 showcase.
As for people criticising more Forza, what's wrong with more Forza?! Gran Turismo, Ratchet and Clank and God of War are having their umteenth installments too. It's not a problem so long as the games are still good.
Halo could be dreadful (5 certainly was), but a new Perfect Dark, Fable, Banjo Kazooie, Forza, Obsidion RPG, Hellblade 2 etc... As a fan of games it's disingenuous to suggest that Microsoft has nothing to offer gaming.
@get2sammyb ahhh, that's their game. It sounds good on paper but once Next gen 3rd party games come out they wont be able to run at those high frame rates.
I have nothing against XBox, and I hope those who purchase one get a lot out of it. But, I believe that next gen., PlayStation will continue to demonstrate advantages and superiority in great games that can be played on the platform, which is all I really care about.
Just being honest.
Hardware means nothing if you don't have the games
Original Xbox was more powerful than the PS2. How did that turn out again?
Halo infinite eh? Nice to see them flexing those IP muscles...
I hate to say anything against a console because you know, games is games, but I think Microsoft would do well to focus on building a software advantage rather than a hardware one.
Halo6 to Halo2784 and Gears 87, plus Forza 865 will never look shinier
Good luck Spencer, we got Bugsnax over here.
I feel like Spencer does a lot of talking but hasn't backed anything up yet... Time will tell
I don't even care about terraflops...I don't really even know what they are so I don't care about the new xbox.I had a 360 and loved it but Sony are just better and make better games.I'm never going back.
Oh and Halo sucks
I went MS for the 360 generation - but felt burnt by the number of machines I had to buy so Eventually went PS3 then PS4. The main games I play are god of war, Spider-Man, Horizon Zero Dawn, Last Of Us 1,2, unchartered + 3rd party ones like Witcher, red dead.
Simply put I play single player story driven games.
Does anyone have MS equivalent 1st party games I’m missing out on - because only coming to this site for info I have no knowledge of what I could be missing out on.
I don’t like halo, gears or racing games from 360 days so anything else I should investigate?
I doubt it would make me not buy a PS5 but it may convince me to consider an Xbox first if the prices differ wildly.
The time of talk is over, it's time to show us the games. Sony already shows us the receipt for ssd with ratchet & clank dimensions jump, and power with 4K and RT for most of the ps5 event games, it's time for microsoft to do the same.
It's not always about the hardware, Phil. And even when it's about the games, I can get them on my PC. Tell/show me why I 'need' Xbox hardware.
He sounds like a certain president that shall not be named, giving backhanded compliments and congratulating himself on his hardware advantages... yuck
Windbag Philled Sphincter farts out more pungent bad air from his rotten mouth.
Personally I don't believe a word he says anymore.
Wouldn't be the first time Phil overhyped an xbox event. Or the second. Or the third. Or the fourth....
I'm definitely curious to see what they've been doing in the past few years.
I mean what is he going to say? Ultimately, it is the games. If they come out with some spectacular first party style games at launch, great. Competition is such an important thing but from an exclusive perspective they really suffered last gen. I think Sony dominated the marketing message last gen and I feel that going forward as well.
I am Sony through and through but I do want the Xbox to be decent as competition is what drives innovation, I don't know if the PS4 would have been so good if they hadn't have got the PS3 so wrong compared to the 360 (I loved my PS3 BTW). It is all about the games for me as the performance of each will be outstanding I am sure.
Scalebound for x box series x at launch.oh🤔 wait that game got cancelled .ok phil.x box could not even beat ps3 on theyre best hardware.haha.word up son
@Ashkorsair Isn't this a PS IP? Konami.
Interesting how all the Devs (not just Sony devs) bigged up the PS5 because of the SSD yet have barely said a word about the Series X though. Series X will no doubt have a better price what could help them but they might find Devs will be focusing on the PS5 more because of the SSD while giving out lesser versions to Series X, in fact its already been said some PS5 game won't have loading screens because of the SSD while the Series X versions will have loading screens or "lifts" to hide loading screens.
I will point out though MS have nothing visually or power wise what's 1st party on the Xbox One X what can top The Last of Us Part 2 on a base PS4. For me this tells they want the most powerful console but that's it really it, they don't really care about showing it off.
Unless Xbox can show the absolute mayhem that Ratchet & Clank did, no thanks. Senua's eyes blinking randomly as a sequel to a game about mental illness isn't a selling point.
@Mostik. And the ps3 still outsold the Xbox 360.haha.word up son
I'll be curious to see what they have, the power gap between them isn't especially large but the machine learning could be the ace up its sleeve that can widen it with clever image reconstruction to push higher framerates. In any case we haven't seen their first party games yet and they really need to bring it this time
@playstation1995 I didn't know that mate, I never played on one but from what I read and saw it seemed like that was the generation Xbox 'might' have won but as you say we still outsold them so even on our bad days we are still the best 😉 word up son 👍
I don't view this as a back handed compliment.
He literally says they did what they needed to do, they did it well.
He then says I think we are in a good position. He didn't say because of the Sony event, he just said the Xbox brand is also in a strong spot.
Yawn. Keep talking Phil. Quite frankly i'm not interested. 360 was more powerful, but it's what you do with that power that counts. Talking up your hardware as being most powerful only serves to reinforce to me that you have learnt nothing about what actually matters. The games. Halo just doesn't cut it any more im afraid.
Ultimately both machines will be excellent and what ever the consumer chooses, they should come away happy with their choice. But i much prefer how sony have gone about their business rather than the little snipes and jabs that Spencer keeps taking
Halo Infinite is on PC too (and XB1), and if the one selling point of the console is its power, you're really messing up by buying it over a PC. The reality is that the Series X is for people that want to play games they can play on PC but with worse graphics and performance because they can't afford the PC option. I really don't think that's a great strategy.
The only way MS stands a chance is if they reform Rare and bring back Banjo, Conker and Perfect Dark as exclusives. Maybe THEN Sony will be in trouble. Until then, no chance in Hell.
@Bloodklot there were some spinoffs on ds. (suikoden tierkreis, meh) and the first was on Sega saturn also.
When buying a console graphics don't matter too much to me especially when it's marginal, it's the exclusives that matter and Sony has that won every generation, also I love JRPG's and games from Japan, which are pretty non existent on xbox
The wording is interesting.
He says twice :
' the hardware advantages that we built '
' the hardware advantages that we have '
Hes also trolling in the video when he says 'you want to hear the games, not the console'
What he really means is, 'crap, Sony's event was dope and ours is looking only slightly better than EA's.'
I'll believe it when I see it. Sorry Phil but you have a reputation for over hyping and under delivering. You've said pretty much these same words at every E3 this gen and failed to deliver at each one.
I don't understand why the Xbox fans praise you? As far as I'm concerned, as a former Xbox fan you've done nothing but de-value the Xbox.
Atleast Don Matrrick actually bothered to get exclusive games for the system. You've provided none. And that's the key Phil, GAMES!
This statement from him just reeks of damage control to me.
I prefer having a pc to an xbox. Powerful hardware is one thing, but having the caliber of talent to execute using it is another. Looking forward to seeing their offering from 1st party studios, as they've been left wanting this generation.
Ooh arr rage rage fanboy nonsense
@resigamer28 perfect dark is heavily rumoured to be at the microsoft event but developed by one of the teams they acquired in recent years, not Rare. Guess we will see what they reveal next month. Im sure it will be good. Its just a question of how good
I find it interesting that people are dissing Xbox for preparing to show off another Halo or another Forza, yet praise Sony for showing off another Ratchet & Clank and another Gran Turismo. Let's not forget that Demon's Souls is a remake.
I am fine with someone having a particular console preference - especially with Sony having some really great first-party games, but don't criticize the competition for using existing IP to hype a new system when your preferred console uses existing IP to draw up hype just the same.
@lacerz Bloober Team already said that instant switching between light and dark worlds for The Medium is impossible without Microsoft's SSD solution. I wish it was actually shown off, but I wouldn't pass judgement just yet.
2.4GB/s is still really fast - and with other things built into Microsoft's API that allow for smaller of chunks of data to get utilized as needed (e.g. when on-screen), that 2.4GB/s stretches even further.
In the end, Sony's storage solution means that developers have to optimize less than Microsoft's solution, however, the end result will be virtually identical.
Let's talk TFLOPs. In order to achieve the target framerate at the target resolution, no, TFLOPs don't have as much of an impact because developers have various new techniques at their disposal to achieve those framerates/resolutions, plus GPUs are more efficient.
Think of a TFLOP as a hose. Think of an apple as your game using a target resolution/framerate. In the old days, to squeeze that apple through the hose and still come out an apple, you needed a bigger hose.
Today, you can grind up that apple and squeeze it through the hose without making the hose as big and still come out as an apple. Think of that as things like dynamic resolution, image reconstruction, variable rate shading, etc. However, a bigger hose means less grinding, or being able to push more grinded bits of apple. So more TFLOPs means higher native resolutions, more visual effects, higher (more steady) frame rates, etc.
So again, while TFLOPs don't necessarily mean much to achieving [resolution]/[framerate], there are still advantages to being able to achieve higher TFLOPs.
Take the UE5 demo. It ran 1440p/30 on PS5. Higher TFLOPs means it could run something like 1600p/30 on Series X - just spit-balling. Nothing game-changing, but still an overall cleaner image on Series X. Or, it could mean that it could still be 1440p/30 on Series X, but visual flourishes could be increased.
Congrats Microsoft on your better hardware. Good luck with the 2 games a year.
Good, while I'm a self admitted Playstation Fanboy I still want to play the best games I can. I skipped the Xbox One as there was nothing that made it essential for me personally, played Cuphead via Switch and the only other game that I wanted was Sunset Overdrive, I want them to sell the new machine to me as a place that caters for me as a single player guy who wants to have games I can only play on that machine.
Looking forward to this, ps5 reveal was pretty underwhelming for me so while I'll still definitely get the ps5 I could be tempted to get the xbox first...
@johnny30 last I looked I had plenty of games to play on my Xbox. You mean exclusives? The only 3 iv played on PS4 that interested me was horizon, Spider-Man and Detroit.
I currently play on the Xbox one x since it plays 3rd party games way better then the PS4 pro
What you have to remember is that MS opted to split their show into different sections - that last showcase was all 3rd Party and a lot of it maybe was teaser trailer - but then so was a LOT of Sony's - although Sony did show some First Party and eventually revealed the console which did give it an edge.
An SSD is NOT going to make a game look or run faster - won't suddenly make a game run at 60fps - although it can help devs increase the speed if 'streaming' was causing the gameplay to be 'slower'. That doesn't mean the game can suddenly be 60fps, it just means you can get from point A to point B in the game faster because you are not so limited by streaming in the assets.
The SSD doesn't transfer Data faster than RAM either - its a 10th of that speed but it can fill the RAM much quicker. CPU and GPU are still the fundamental requirements to running games at higher visual quality and faster frame rates. Not to say the PS5 is under-powered - far from it - but that the Series X has a substantial advantage - especially as the PS5 appears to be incapable of running at its 'max' CPU AND GPU frequency combined. In other words, it won't be running at 3.5GHz AND 2.23GHz. Whether that 'matters', we will see. If it drops to 2GHz for example, you get that 9.2TF performance that the PS5 was rumoured to have and could run at that frequency, only boosting to 10.28TF in high demanding short bursts - dropping the frequency of the CPU to do so.
Of course with advances in rendering techniques, things like 'native' resolutions may not matter as much as they did back in 2013. Games like H:ZD and GoW prove that CB rendering can still deliver an almost native 4k like presentation and maybe at normal distance, the difference is negligible.
For all we know, the PS5 could run at 3.3GHz CPU and 2Ghz GPU as 'standard' but if the GPU needs a boost to cope with a sudden 'explosion' for example, it has to drop the CPU to 3.1GHz and boost the GPU to 2.23GHz or in a particular CPU intensive scene, it may have to drop the GPU down to 1.8GHz to boost the CPU up to 3.5GHz. If this is the case, the difference is even more significant. Even at 10.28TF, the difference is larger than the Pro to X - more than a PS4 and of course its also RDNA2 which can do more per TF too.
If visuals are equal, that means the Series X could offer higher frame rates. It could mean that if frame rates are the same, the Xbox can offer a lot more visual flourishes, higher resolutions etc. It could mean that it offers 'both'.
Again, whether that matters or not will come down to individuals. Its not taking into consideration whether or not aspects like the haptic feedback is more important than just rumble triggers, whether or not you can see any difference from loading/streaming or asset quality because of compression, whether or not loading times are impacted and by how much, whether you prefer the games that one console offers that the other doesn't etc. Its not as black and white as the specs
@ApostateMage huh? There wasn't much Sony showed off minus the ps5
Most the games are meh or arnt coming out any time soon and also even then those games arnt ps5 exclusives. I believe 5 were and the rest are timed and slated for PC releases
@playstation1995 yet PlayStation had cancelled games so has almost every game developer... Point what now?
Spencer talks a good game.
Having said that the video game industry is littered with examples of the lesser-powered console “winning”. For example gameboy vs lynx/game gear, 3DS vs vita etc...
Sony have got the games locked down. MS have huge amounts to prove in that respect.
The amount of people here spouting off half information or misinformation in general lol.
Truly shows most y'all do not do any research before posting anything lol.
Anywho I'll most likely hold off getting a ps5 till I see any other interesting games for the ps5. The only one that speaker my interest was horizon but that didn't have a release date i believe
think MS has already lost they just don't know it yet. when you look at how many views Playstations PS5 reveal got in 12 hours compared to MS which had been up for ages it says it all to me.
@Ken_Masters that super fast SSD won't mean anything if a 3rd party game developer does not utilize it. most third-party game developers if they're not making a exclusive they do not really take advantage of a console's full power
Well, they would have to say that... For me backward compatibility is a big deal at this point, as have a fairly large digital library I've built on PS4. I have an original Xbox, and a 360, but thats it with Xbox for me. What they tried with the 'One' all those years ago just put me off their consoles thereafter. If I buy a next gen system, it will be only one, so PS5 is the option I'd go for.
@David187 gee I wonder why....... If you didn't notice Sony's was one event and most came on to see the ps5. Microsoft have her split up their event and already showcased what the new Xbox will look like at another event beforehand so of course it will have less views since people wanted to see the ps5
Just give up now Sony, save yourself heartache... said nobody ever.
@PupTwilight I'm talking about the 2-minute video they put up after the event seriously take that MS damage control somewhere else.
@PupTwilight exclusives are what make a console unique. Microsoft will be holding jtself back by allowing the games to work on older consoles. I'll be able to play them on my pc, well most of them lol
As great as the ps4 is, gamepass is outstanding and could be the deal breaker unless sony are holding back on some huge launch games
@PupTwilight. The point dog is that people was waiting for this game.and a brand new ip.and just like that it was cancelled.so what you saying🤔.word up son
@Deljo. A dealbreaker so much that ps5 will outsold x box again playa.word up son
@PupTwilight what misinformation is that?
After a generation and half of mediocrity and 1st party games aiming for the lowest common denominator, perhaps keep the facade of humility until you produce anything even close to PS exclusives in risk, ambition or quality.
Slight resolution bumps to 3rd party games ain't really a win, and I can't help but feel skeptical that MS is going to be willing to fund big budget AAA titles at the rate Sony does when they are giving the titles away on Game Pass (price hike incoming?!?)
But, hey. IF they start to deliver when it comes to their first party then I'll buy an XBSX to sit alongside my PS5 ... after I move into a bigger house to fit them both in.
Ok I watched the video and I can summarise all the news from it.
Spenser :
https://youtu.be/U5TqIdff_DQ
@Ristar24 I agree and still hold their antics during the X1 reveal as the reason I won’t buy another Xbox.
Luckily Sony and Nintendo give me far more quality games than I can keep up with!
@playstation1995 A deal breaker for me bud, you do you. I'm very much a sony fan but also buy xbox and it would be worth it to me to just buy the series x with game pass even if I never bought a game. As much I as love my ps4 pro ps now is awful in comparison. Dont understand the fanboys who limit themselves to one brand, I'm a gamer that wants to play the best games no matter the system
Microsoft: Our latest console is the most powerful console ever. Were in an awsome position.
SONY: So was your last one and look how that turned out for ya.
My view on the subject is games sell consoles not spec. MS have all the grunt but none of the games. Halo, Forza (which i love btw) and Gears (Loved 1 and 2) are all old hat. They have the power, they have the IP's but they just dont ever seem interested. They need to take some risks this gen i think.
@Deljo Probably not going to go down well here, but there's a phenomenon where low self esteem people incorporate outside factors in to one's own self image (more so than those with higher self esteem at least).
Like nationalism, but it can and does extend to brands, and these people are more defensive following a critical take on their brands, because it's felt as an attack on their self.
And it's worth noting that PS owners are the most brand loyal, of all gamers.
@Richnj That seems like a fair explanation, strange to have such a strong connection to a faceless company simply because you've enjoyed a few of their games. I've been in this hobby for a long time (long before Sony entered the fray) and for me it's all about the games
@GamingFan4Lyf
Apparently Phil Spencer can actually suck an apple through a hose.
Sony have so lost this last generation. Big time.
I moved from PS4 and switch to Xbox One X and switch nearly 3 years ago. PS4 is just weak and the range of exclusives is so limited it’s laughable. I recently moved back to PS4 as the XBox Controller is disgusting and cheap and I cannot stand it.
Far better quality controller on PS4, but instantly recognised how inferior the hardware is. I still stand by the opinion PS4 was pointless and not worth the upgrade from PS3.
In the course of 7 years, AAA console exclusives on PS4 stand at:
Street Fighter V
Uncharted 4
Bloodborne
God of War
Spiderman
Last of Us II.
and that is it. For a 7 year run, that is disgusting and in my eyes an utter failure to deliver to your customer base.
However. The next gen for me will rely on the controller. Visuals are not really improving any more now from gen to gen and AAA titles are getting less and less about a quality game than they are fancy packaging. The I demo games of the last 7 years have far outshine the big studios in terms of quality and originality. The development budgets are so obscenely high that they cannot risk to take a risk anymore and just produce cookie cutter games and invest in graphics. Point in case, Uncharted 4. Brilliant franchise but it peaked with Uncharted 2 which is an all time classic and subsequently got more boring with each sequel. Pretty game, but didn’t add anything or get any more interesting over the next two games.
Forza Horizon duped me into an XBox One X and it looked incredible. After a week???... goddamn it’s a boring game.
Console manufacturers need to go back and rediscover what makes an amazing gaming experience. The controller must be the best it can be, solid and intuitive. It is THE only conduit between you and the experience. If the interface is problematic then it’s bad experience no matter what. Then rediscover what makes a great experience. Sitting through cutscenes and QTE set pieces is..... crap and cheap.
Spider-Man and Gears of War? Garbage and vacuous.
Doom and Metroid Prime? Absolute benchmarks of what a gaming experience should be.
@darksoul77 is that in comparison to the endless list of quality exclusives that play stick has?? 😂 😂 😂 😂
@Dezzy70 the PS4 has slowly died in its arse for the last 2 years. PS5 could not come fast enough for Sony.
@Deljo. I dont care about gamepass.because i buy retail games and psn games.i got too many games.i couldn't care less about that.i save up.got money.so psn games and i buy brand new games on ebay.some are cheap also.ps4 games price are always down.so im good.word up son
@johnny30 PS4 has the weaker hardware and weaker games but it seemed to do ok.
@playstation_king it’s awesome how many PlayStation fans now use this default Nintendo fan response now the PS4 evidently the far inferior hardware, yet it was most sony fans that sounded nothing but power hunger and graphics driven when PS4 first came out when it had the stronger hardware at the time 😂
@Redman35 cuphead is ****ing awesome. Literally one of the best games of this console generation along with Katana Zero. I can’t believe neither of these are on PS4.
@Ken_Masters still doesn’t load as fast as Switch.
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L think a few come here now just to troll.
I guarantee when DF does comparisons 1 & Half TF is not going to make this huge difference!
All this hardware/schlong size comparison means nothing it's gonna come to preference of system and quality of games like it always has, sorry but Xbox relies on two exclusive franchises for big sales Halo and Gears both of which are past their sell by date the rest are multi platform, no staggered release (so far) so people won't just pick up the first console out the gate.
But Phil, whatever happened to calling Amazon and Google as your true rivals?
@Shinobi1Kenoby they wasn't much of a difference between ps4 and xbox 1 hardware wise. Ps4 had superior games
They need better and more exclusives.
He's definitely right about hardware advantages, but those advantages do them no good if they don't have a lineup of games worth playing. From a software standpoint, Microsoft didn't even show up this last gen compared to Sony churning out the high quality exclusives one after another. I'm hoping that their recent run of studio acquisitions leads to a surge on this front, but I have to admit that my expectations for Microsoft are quite low considering their last few years.
@Shinobi1Kenoby whilst I admit I was impressed with the ps4 graphics compared to the ps3, I honestly don't care much for more realism graphics, games could keep this gens graphics for another 30 years and I would never complain.
I honestly go to the system that has the games I'd enjoy the most, it's not about the name of the system, if xbox had games like the last of us 2, horizon zero dawn or zelda then I would buy an xbox.
And if graphics were my priority then I would get a pc
Whatever !! Until Y'all bring back Crimson Skies PS Will Always Rule !!
@johnny30 I didn’t bother with Xbox one. I moved from PS4 to XBox One X and it blows the 4 and the Pro out of the water. As for games. Every single multi format game is way superior on X and it is just better hardware. The number of exclusives worth playing on PS4 is minimal at best. The best saving grace of PS4 is the Xbox controller is just dire and the PS4 has a better quality controller
@BAMozzy Alot of people keep saying "higher framerates" but the reality is that you either run at 30fps 60fps or 120fps. Anything between those is juttery. Do you think that the extra 2 Tflops in Series X will let them run games next gen games at 120 that PS5 only runs at 60?
@playstation_king to be fair, THE best format for volume of actual quality AAA exclusives is the Nintendo Switch. First party and indie. The number of exclusives worth playing on PS4 or XBox one is minimal and probably no higher than 5 for any one person. The size of the Exclusive content library on switch is the main selling point. When it comes to cross format you pick Xbox or PS4 and the PS4 loses every time to Xbox.
For me it comes down to the games, and the things we've heard from third-party devs. But also the difference between the two philosophies behind the two platforms.
XBOX are a tech company who have made a beast machine.
They seem (I say "seem" because how can I know other than how I perceive them based on what they say) to care less about selling you a system and more about selling you XBL.
They're also not really trying to push the boundaries of how games are designed or elevate the art form. The machine is stronger, and it will have visuals that will blow our minds, but it's still just the next console.
I'll probably get one, but it will be 3 or 4 years from now.
Sony are an electronics and entertainment company who keep repeating that they believe in the generational leap, which is what I want to hear. But the most impressive things that are being said are coming from the third-party devs who are getting very excited about how they will design games going forward. That's the most interesting thing to me - a console that will actually allow for advances in the way game design is approached. It feels like the same excitement that we had when PS1 dragged us all away from cartridges and on to discs.
Plus, I already know that PlayStation has the games I want to play. As do Nintendo, for that matter. They get me with Zelda every time. But I wait every summer for XBOX to show me a game that I need to play. I get excited every year for their show thinking this will be the year they convince me.
I genuinely hope they convince me this year, but so far, I'm happy with Nintendo and PlayStation.
I’m buying a series X at launch mainly due to their fantastic backwards compatibility. I have a 360 hooked up and now Xbox One, and the thought of just having one console to play four generations of games is a pretty big deal to me. Catching up up Forza Horizon, Halo and Gears along with a few others, plus Flight Sim 2020 and Cyberpunk will be enough for me to start.
Unpopular opinion talking out of my @ss (like everyone anyway)
Cross gen games will look and perform better on the SeX.
Next gen only games will look and perform better on PS5 ..
🤓
Haha
@Shinobi1Kenoby if thats the case why did the ps4 outsell the xbox nearly 3 times? And why you on this site if you have an xbox
@Shinobi1Kenoby what do you mean by cross format? Every big third party game sells more on ps4.
I own a Nintendo switch and agree it has a huge library of first party games and I've enjoyed them thoroughly, but it has to keep pumping out first party games as third party support from the big devs is abysmal.
@Shinobi1Kenoby your list of ps4 exclusives is way off, your missing loads
Then there's the console exclusives that aren't in this list as they are now on pc such as death stranding and horizon zero dawn, but they are console exclusives for the ps4
https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/explore/ps4-exclusives/
Ps2 beat xbox
Ps3 beat xbox 360
Ps4 beat xbox one
Ps5.......
@3Above What you are not taking into consideration is Variable Refresh Rates (VRR) that HDMI2.1 offers - meaning a game can target anything from say 45fps up to 120fps and as the screen refreshes as each new frame is presented, it stops the 'judder' and screen tear too.
The reason games target 60 or 30fps currently is because TV's refresh at 60hz so it refreshes with every frame at 60fps or twice for every frame at 30fps meaning the game looks and feels smooth with no screen tear. The reason yo get judder is because a frame is held on for an extra frame because it missed the refresh or you get screen tear because not all the image was ready so you get some of the new and some of the old frame displayed.
If a game is running at 50fps for example, VRR will make the TV refresh at 50hz so it will play smoother and better than 30fps. That could mean the Xbox for example could run at higher frame rates (like 70fps vs 90fps). That also makes a difference in terms of gameplay. If a game is running at 60fps, it has a lower input lag than the same game running at 30fps because its processing the input from a controller 60 times a second. That's why games like Last of Us or Uncharted on PS4 feel more slicker, more responsive than they do on PS3. If a game is only running at 30fps, it only needs to process your 'input' 30x a second and the impact of that button press. For example, if you press to jump, there is a delay between that reaching the console and that being processed and then the result of that being rendered but if you are checking for what inputs you have done only 30x a second, there is added delay compared to say 60x a second.
Higher frame rates are NOT just a visual thing but also the way a game feels and its responsiveness. As far as the display is concerned, TV's in the past have had fixed refresh rates but with Variable Refresh Rates, you eliminate 'judder' and screen tear because you match the refresh rate up with the frame rates.
Another aspect of course is that some games may well be capped at say 60fps but that doesn't mean the game will run consistently at 60fps. The fact the Series X has a lot more power, the Series X could run at a much more consistent frame rate - or maybe if the game uses Dynamic resolution Scaling to reduce the impact of dropped frames, run at a more consistent visual quality.
Devs seem to have a choice of deciding which area will drop in quality during more demanding sequences. If they choose to keep image quality consistent, that often means a drop in frame rates but if they choose to keep frame rates more consistent, you get a drop in visual quality. I prefer a drop in visual quality myself as its often less noticeable - especially in those high action moments but the point is, fewer sacrifices/drops would be necessary. Of course Devs could still opt for settings that are much higher on Series X so it drops frames more as we see sometimes on XB1X - opting to go for a full 4k whilst the Pro targets 1440p for example when maybe the X should target 1800p instead to get a more stable frame rate. If they keep the visual settings identical though, the Series X should give a higher frame rate and reduced input lag leading to a smother, more responsive gaming experience - if that matters as I am sure it will still look, feel and play great on PS5 too
They sure won't be demonstrating any first-party games. They need to demonstrate something. Sadly, whatever they have doesn't match my PC so I'm not seeing what they're target market is unless it's to be outsold by Sony.
@BAMozzy ahhh I see. I didnt know it would change your display's refresh rate.
I remember buying my past consoles on games and games alone it was never about teraflops and that rubbish for consoles gaming. But with Phil Spencer that's all he ever mentions
@darksoul77 you forgot about Gears of war!!
It’s simples, who brings the top AAA exclusives gets the money.
Xbox 360 did this well and sold well, as did the PS3 in the end.
PS4 did this well and sold loads, double the Xbox one.
Switch does this well with their Nintendo IP’s and sells very well, with weak hardware.
It’s games games games.
They all only talk about frame rates, while Sony talks about a whole range of experiences you will get with the PS5 (haptic feedback, next-gen audio, seamless world loading).
Question is what you care more about.
To me it is what Sony offers.
@Richnj
Interesting. These pile on articles really seems to reinforce what you are talking about here. Referring to Spencer as a talking suit comes off as pretty disingenuous to me. Seems like he cares a lot more about the business than Mattrick did. I guess it's their job to fan the flames around here.
@playstation_king you’re missing the point. EVERY console has exclusives, I’m talking about ones worth playing that are genuinely good games. I went through that list you posted to pull out the stand out system sellers.... there are very few. Most are watered down sequels to franchise that peaked long ago. If you want to start reaching and extend that list with the likes of everybody’s golf, chimparty and ALL of the PS3 game remasters because it makes you feel better be my guest. PS4 is weak and always has been. It has lost out massively in terms of quality it can put out when it has superior release as an option on XBox One. The hardware is better, the interface is better, the operating system is better. But both formats are weak on exclusives.
If you can only afford 1 console, you’d have to buy an XBox One X.
If you can afford 2, get an XBox ONE X and a Switch.
If you can afford all, definitely get all.
The only part that PS4 trumps the XBox One X is the quality of the controller. And even they both lose out to the Switch Pro Controller by a mile. If I could use that pad for PS4 and XBox, I would.
I’m not saying you’re wrong. It’s your opinion, same as my opinion is mine. The only issue is, your ID handle leads me to believe your “opinion” might be slightly biased toward PlayStation.
@playstation1995 Can only imagine what the ratio would have been if the PS3 released at the same time 🤣
@Shinobi1Kenoby I can see this going on forever so I will say let the sales do the talking and the sales show ps4 dominated the Xbox this gen by a mile.
Xbox relies on 3 franchise to save it every gen, halo, gears and forza
And my ID aside I had an xbox one at a lunch and a ps4, the Xbox was cluttered with adverts, I played halo and gears then sold it. And I also had a Nintendo switch since launch and I love it amazing games such astral chain and fire emblem and yes the pro controller is really good and 60 hour battery is amazing whilst my dualshock 4 can only handle 4 hours.
Ps5 vs xbox series x will come down to sales to determine which is better, let the sales decide
Hes probably gonna rock out crackdown 4 and claim its powered by alien technology.
@Dezzy70 Better than PS5? HOW
@Akimi Oh yeah, Spencer is miles better. Mattrick oversaw things like Kinect and the decline of xbox's first party strength. Spencer has pushed for cross-play, Backwards compatibility, and the purchase of some highly respected studios. I'm not surprised he feels good about the XSX. It's his console, not the failure he inhereted from the last guy.
@Shinobi1Kenoby I just want to add to the exclusives discussion. During the PS3 all anyone ever talked about was Uncharted, Killzone, God of War, and Heavy Rain, and I was sat there having more fun on Infamous and Resistance.
And if you look at the most played games of the xbox and PS, most of not all end up being multiplatform games. More so for xbox of course. Fortnite, GTA, Call of Duty, Red Dead, Fifa etc.
Arguing over who has the best or most exclusives is pointless. You could genuinely have been an xbox exclusive gamer this gen and played the vast majority of releases this gen and had zero negative impact to your gaming experience because the console "only" sold 40m units.
When talking about exclusives the only real answer is "X console has more exclusives that I personally am interested in". Anything else is someone trying to justify their personal preference and console choice to complete strangers, of who, the only ones that care only care because they too are looking for that justification they made the right choice.
@Shinobi1Kenoby your missing a couple AAA games mate but it's cool not everybody has the same taste, Horizon Zero Dawn and both inFamous games, can say HZD wasn't fun if you want but then it shows you probably didn't play it, taking down robots with a fcuking bow and arrow?? Pretty fun.. as for Xbox Exclusives I just picked the two I fancied up on PC State of Decay 2 and Quantum Break.
Wow, this comment thread is embarrassing. The ignorance is through the roof. I had a PSX day one and every console since, I love PlayStation. The people who comment on this site though, crikey. It may be time to say goodbye to Push Square after all these years
@playstation_king I don’t think you need to eat a whole XBox to try and prove your point?
“ And my ID aside I had an xbox one at a lunch and a ps4”
@playstation_king I genuinely believe the Switch has been the surprise stand out console this format. It suffers massively from missing out in the big name multi format games. But terms of quality volume that isn’t available anywhere else, it is ridiculous. PS4 and XBox are both weak in terms of exclusives, always have. They are hardware manufacturers, not gaming companies, so it always comes down to power and controller. I was PS4, then left when they jacked up the PS+ price. Got an XBox one X and it was the first console that felt like an actual generation up from the PS3 so multi format games became a bonus again.
Only problem is that the XBox controller is garbage and after nearly 3 years I’m back playing PS4. The hardware is just noticeably a LOT weaker. The total if playable multi format outweigh the exclusives on either machine, and they are all categorically better on XBox One X. But ideal world, get all three.
@Richnj ..... eh?
@LocalPenguin I’m sure you’ll stay. You love it really!
Or you wouldn’t even be reading and posting in an online forum where this type of discussion is rife, has been for the last 20 years and will continue to do so. 😂
I’m hoping your ID is an NHL reference, in which case. Awesome!!! If not? Long live the Antarctic flightless birds.
coz we got da best graffix innit, dats all dat matters bruh
@Ajhutchinson. I know right.ps3 is amazing for that.mike tyson tko x box 360.word up son
@mini_piekarnik spoken like a stereotypical modern gamer. Excellent impression!
Cannot wait to see them bring it in July, every opportunity Microsoft has had its talked about 4K 60 and higher, meanwhile So has hardly said a word about it.. I think the Series X will be flexing it’s more powerful muscles next month.
@playstation1995 I'm the same to be fair and my point isnt about money. I definitely buy most of my games for the ps4, the occasional game on switch but for xbox one I subscribe to game pass and get all of the first party games and alot of others for a decent price. Honestly I play the ps4 much more than the others currently but why miss out on some fantastic games because of some weird sense of loyalty to sony. Mario and zelda are amazing games, forza is by far the best racing series and there are many others that most gamers would want to at least try...
Xbox has one huge advantage over Ps and that is backward compatibility. When I see my psx, ps2 and ps3 backlog... so many machines, so not enough tv inputs...
I really look forward, what Green team brings. Even if nothing important, than it keep our Blue team in move.
I’m gonna be ditching Xbox and playing their games on my PC. No need to get an Xbox when they put their games on Windows as well, with even better visuals and frame rate.
All about the games. Give me a reason to get on board with the new Xbox, Microsoft.
@pip muz What's wrong with them? Nothing but let me educate you on how I saw the 360 era. Look at our studios we have exclusives and we will continue to combat Sony. Ps3 stumbles hard Microsoft all but shutters most of there studios leaving.....yep Forza, Gears(not yet owned by Microsoft),Fable, and Halo. After year 2 maybe 3 of the 360 Microsoft forgot what exclusive ment until now.......maybe. What happens if they get a big lead or Sony does will Obsidian and the other great studio be put to pasture? Its happened before and unlike the world whats to believe history does repeat itself.
Played Ori will of the wisp, Gears 5, Gears Tactics on PC Game Pass.
I enjoyed them - Gears 5 has a spark of becoming something great when it comes to narrative.
But They need some new IP, it is not enough. They have nothing worth trading Zero Dawn, TLOU, Spider-Man or God Of War.
@3Above
4K at decent fps depends on what is displayed on the screen, if only 10 triangles are displayed every gpu can do 4K120 easy.
10tflops are good, but if you increase the objects/details on the screen the gpu is reaching their limits, which will happen with even stronger gpu too when you increase the objects/details high enough.
So you can't say this gpu can render all in 4K at decent fps.
@pip_muzz true, but I think Sony have some knock out blows of their own still to come, will all be very interesting to watch.
I think all of you are bluffing. Personally, despite Sony's superior first-party games, based on my personal experiences, Xbox has a way better gaming experience, especially within the online ecosystem. It's more enjoyable especially the third-party games I've played online. Don't know why but it is what I noticed.
Maybe Xbox are right?
But the 5.5Gb a second PS5 SSD can help free up the PS5 hardware to even surpassed the limitations of the Xbox.
Again skillful developers will show what the consoles can do in their games.
Also we all know exclusive games make a successful console which the PS4 has shown.
@JJ2 that's the only thing I agree with, Sony 100% needs a significantly quieter console with the PS5. Given the size of it, I'm optimistic.
@invictus4000 Early days, my friend.
I personally do not think that there will be any dramatic "hardware advantage" over the PS5.
According to Cerny's presentation, PS5 will have MOST OF its RAM dedicated to the GPU. More dedicated video memory means more rendering. XSX only has 10GBs of dedicated VRAM.
@Tacktful They have already promised a quieter console. Also the bulkier form factor of the PS5 points out to a more effective embedded cooling system.
Not in a million years lol
Last of Us 2 and God of War on PS4 are going to still look better than anything on the new Xbox
@AlisonPentouseus yes, am quietly optimistic now I know the size of it - big fan(s) in there!
In the short term... neither are worth buying. Hardware wise, they just aren’t needed or provide any significant generational upgrade over the Pro and One X.
In addition to this, we will just get continued remasters for the first 2 years again and twin releases where the vast majority of all AAA titles will also be released on Pro and X.
I won’t even be looking to buy one till probably year 3 when the inevitable bug fixed, better design, more power, smaller model comes out. Who’s still got and plays the original 4 or One?
Hardware is all very good but doesn't mean anything if you have no games!
We will see, but even given what he said about graphical improvement in new generation, i don't think their advantage will be noticeble. I wonder how big will 3d audio and gamepad features be a leap.
I hope to be as happy with MS' July showcase as I was with the PS5 reveal event. I'll just leave it at that.
I understand the sarcasm, what with this being Push Square and all, but that doesn't justify the grinning Kratos. That picture is cursed as all hell.
@darksoul77 The expensive PS3?
@LocalPenguin You are going too stop coming here for some people you can always block the people you dont like.
@Shinobi1Kenoby
The best thing to do is buying the original console a few months after launch, then selling it just when you're hearing news that tells you a mid-gen console is on its way.
If you sell your original console just BEFORE the mid-gen one is out, you're not going to lose a lot of money.
Hence, you can enjoy 6-7 years of playing on a newer generation console.
@Shinobi1Kenoby PS4 has weaker hardware yeah, but better games? I'm not sure there's evidence for that.
@Shinobi1Kenoby D'oh.
If I had stuck with Microsoft this gen I would have missed out on playing the likes of Horizon Zero Dawn, God Of War, Spider-Man, Uncharted 4, Days Gone and now The Last Of Us Part II.
No thanks!
@EquiinoxGII
no, as mentioned above the exclusives are far better and diverse than MS, apart from forza and halo there exclusives have been pretty poor, but with any luck we will see better exclusives next given with companys they bought,
even if ps4 exclusives are not for you, you cant honestly say Ms are the same or better
Oh and Persona 5 as well, to date my favourite PS exclusive (aware that it was also released on PS3).
For fans of sp games it's not even a close contest, PS are easily out in front of every platform.
That's this gen though, next gen should be closer but ultimately I still expect Sony to come out on top.
Talk is cheap, the proof is in the pudding and I haven't seen Phil Spencer pudding yet.
@johnny30 just cause it sold more doesn’t make it better. Coldplay have million selling records and they are crap 😂 “you can’t trust people, people like coldplay”
I also didn’t realise I had to own a console to be granted access to this site. But if it helps you, I own a PS1, PS2, PS3 and a PS4. Can I stay? please sir?
Microsoft also ballsed any chance of overriding success with the XBox One when they attended that E3 and told everyone the new XBox one would come with a Kinect that the CIA would have full access to. That bombshell knackered them and lost consumer confidence for over 2 years and gave Sony an unbelievable head start. Truth be told, neither machine offered anything worth playing for at least the first three years, but you always get gadget whores needing to be seen to own the latest gadget.
Xbox is irrelevant to me, I’m a Sony fanboy all the way, have only ever owned PlayStation products!
On the latest news :
Spencer is going to bare it all at the event and THE SIZE WILL SURPRISE EVERYONE!!!
Edit.
Yes of course I'm talking about the LockHard,. I think. That's what they are saying...
Good luck Phil. Competition brings out the best in game creation for all of us. Level up next generation. Peace to all gamers!
As many have said, they'll need exclusives. Sony flexed a decent amount already there with Horizon and Ratchet, plus we know we will be getting FF7R part 2 and 3 first for ages if not exclusively, then there will be the next GoW. I enjoyed the Halo series (Never played 5) but no where near enough to buy a different console for it. I got a 360 for £60 about 2 years before before ps4 came out to play through a few exclusives, but ended up selling it about a year later tbh.
Glad to see Spencer talking up the Xbox, competition is vital and I'd love to see them do well. But as others have said, as good as Halo and Forza are, there needs to be a bit more than that. Looking forward to the next showcase but right now I'd say Sony is the one out in front.
Time will tell, but at the moment I just don't imagine there'll be many instances where the Xbox Series X will demonstrably outperform PS5. Does the average user notice minor differences in texture quality or lighting or resolution? No. To be a striking enough different to be worth talking about, a game would have to be say 30 fps on PS5 and 60 on XSX. Or a big difference in resolution, something like that. And I don't see it happening, because any multiplatform developer/publisher is going to want the experiences on both platforms to be as close to each other as possible.
So, if we accept that multiplatform games are going to be almost identical on both systems to all but the most discerning fans (and while vocal, they are the minority, let's face it), then it comes back to exclusives. And when it comes to those, Sony has historically had the edge. We'll see though - MS has made some smart acquisitions and they could have some really great stuff lined up.
They're just cooking up a confusing mess that the masses won't understand. It's really powerful, but for the first third of its life will only play the same games as the 2013 Xbox One. It has 'all the best games' , except all the exclusive hits on PS5 and Switch. It's the 4th Xbox generation yet its name is a word salad with no obvious link to previous models. It sounds like some weird special edition "the Series X, now in Black".
I've no doubt it'll be a powerful slick device, but as PS4 and Switch have shown, a strong identity in the market, quality exclusives and a clear target audience are the drivers of success.
Don't mean a damn thing if you don't have any 1st party games on your platform.
Yeah it'll be more powerful. But so was the XB1X. Having no games didn't do that machine any good over the Pro now did it.
There's a reason why the Switch is selling so well even though its the weakest system by far - games.
MS better learn or they will fail yet again.
Believe it when I see it.
@3Above That's the point I'm trying to make. When they say "higher framerates" I'm sure they don't speak about 10 fps more because that term is used to describe the transition between 30 to 60fps or from 60 to 120fps.
@Shinobi1Kenoby Switch is better than ps4???? Nothing on the switch can compare to persona 5 royal. Also, 3rd party games on the switch are 95% a much inferior experience over ps4 and 100% inferior over a ps4 pro. If you don't want ps5 and you find it's exclusives lacking then you're more than welcome to play forza horizon 5 and halo 6 on xbox. Nobody will miss you.
Non-story right now. As others have said, it's about the games, especially exclusives. This generation I decided against buying every console, not enough time or money anymore, and just got a PS4. Not regretting it one bit. If Microsoft would ever give us Fable IV I would take a hard look at the new Xbox.
If they show anything a slick as ratchet, I'll be amazed, that ssd is game changing and when you have sucker punch, naughty dog, insomniac, japan studios, guerrilla etc etc in your ranks, 2 teraflops will mean nothing at all, these guys will match those graphics of Xbox with no issues, just look at this gen
What a surprise Phil Spencer thinks the series x is going to be better. Is this news? Coming from the people who said they understood Xbox fans wanted to see gameplay at their last event and then proceeds not to show any gameplay. Microsoft and series x will do okay this next gen. But they are going to lose handily again for many different reasons.
@OthmaneAD ......... 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Please miss me!!!! There will be a big hole in my life if you don’t accept into you’re elitist PlayStation fan club.
I HAVE a PS4, I play PS4, that’s where my opinion that it is garbage has come from. The PS3 was awesome. The 4?..... not so much. They should have missed 4 and released 5 last year as the 4.
Did you mean Persona 5 the PS3 game ported for PS4 to help sales? 😂 😂 not exactly a PS4 exclusive is it, the same as The Last of Us isn’t.
The switch is a better platform than PS4, it is seriously one of the best designed pieces of gaming hardware I’ve ever seen. And that despite the fact it misses out on a tonne of third party support. I own and play all three and the Switch just is the best gaming hardware out of the 3. XBox One X is the best hardware to play high end multi format third party games and PS4 is the best place to play Spider-Man and Last of Us 2.
I say get both if you can. They both have good and bad things. I prefer games on the PlayStation but I love the Xbox game pass where you can download games to your console from the app. I wish Sony had that with their PlayStation Now.
I will never buy another Microsoft product. I recently bought a Surface Laptop 3. I discovered a issue where if I power off the laptop (not sleep), the next time I turn it on, the wifi card stops working. The only work around is going into the BIOS and disable the wifi card, reboot, go back into the BIOS and re-enable the wifi card. This will work until the next time it’s powered off. Searching the Microsoft forums, they have known and acknowledged the problem 9 MONTHS ago! They’re haven’t released a fix! And if it can’t be fixed by software, they are knowingly selling a known faulty product. I’d be an idiot to buy more microsoft products.
@Shinobi1Kenoby
There’s no reason to get an Xbox. If you want to play the best Xbox games, at the best graphics, just build a PC.
If you want the best console get the PS5.
If you want to game while traveling, have young kids, or only into casual/social gaming, get a Nintendo.
It’s not rocket science.
I'm buying both consoles anyway with PS5 being the 1st purchase. I have both Xbox one X and PS4 Pro. Yep the Xbox series X will be more powerful than the PS5 but the SSD on the PS5 has swung it for me to be my default console as both are capable of 4k 60FPS. Currently my Xbox one X is my default console because it's so quiet and has better hardware than the PS4 Pro with GamePass providing better value than PS Now but Sony has undoubtibly got better exclusives by far.
I would say to him “that’s nice, but regarding games which is why I buy my system, PS is still the champ at making exclusives that I freely open my wallet for, and what is the point to your wanting to drive home so much gratuitous violence that fails to advance the plot in your games.”
Xbox is crushing Sony on BC.
They're going to do 4K, HDR, 60fps on older games.
Longtime Xbox fans are happy and being rewarded.
As longtime Sony fans, we are SOL...
@resigamer28 Because there are no sequels on PlayStation right?
@__jamiie Difference is Sony have original content, MS ONLY have Halo Gears and Forza. All the promises of exclusive Xbox stuff, all a load of bollocks. I'm an owner of a Xbox One and a PS4 and the Xbox One is used for Bluray films now because it has no actual games which I can't get already on PlayStation
'MS only have Halo, Gears and Forza' is a really stupid comment. Also, third party titles mostly perform better on Xbox One X.
@Col_McCafferty @Col_McCafferty you would have missed most of them and not really missed out on anything.
Horizon Zero Dawn - not played.
God Of War 3 - was better
Spider-Man, - mediocre. Good swinging. Bad combat pales even in comparison to the original Arkham asylum.
Uncharted 4 - second worst one. This peaked at Uncharted 2.
Days Gone - meh
The Last Of Us Part II. Genuinely the stand out game of this format.
Even if you claim they are all amazing must buys - that is only 6 games out of a 7 year format run. That is abysmal.
@EquiinoxGII where did I say PS4 has better games?
@OthmaneAD Forza and Halo are also abysmal games only played by XBox fanboys.
@Ajhutchinson now you put it that way, I have always dreamed of taking down robots with a bow and arrow. Sounds rad.
He's baaaackkk!
😆
@Shinobi1Kenoby Maybe you don't play jrpgs, but the jrpg ps4 exclusive selection is strong: Persona 5 royal (that isn't on ps3), yakuza 6, judgment, Fist of the north star, Sakura wars, FF7r, nioh 2, bloodborne, Star ocean: Faith and integrity (look these up, they aren't playable on anything besides a ps4, some may go to pc or switch later but as of now, the ps4 is the only way to play them). If you don't like this type of games, then your loss. But to anyone who is a jrpg fan, the ps4 is a godsend. Switch, on the other hand plays games like ***** and emulators handle their games better than their own hardware.
@OthmaneAD 😂 wow. Do you even actually own any console, or is all this just wild stabs in the dark.
There are tonnes of JRPGs on Switch, not my thing, but they’re there.
Final Fantasy VII is better than the remake.
Bloodborne isn’t worth the disc it was printed on.
Persona 5 Royal is ANOTHER remaster of a PS3 game.
Yakuza 5 isn’t any different to 3 on PS3.
The rest you mentioned are mediocre at best.
It just reiterates that PS4 is the new Wii; Quantity over quality.
I hope the PS5 is better, but so far it already looks like Sony are following their pattern from PS4 which juts looks to give you the same old experience all over again and make you pay for it all over again. This is because they are a hardware manufacturer, not a software developer that makes hardware. This has been to slow death knell of gaming quality for the last 20 years. Gaming culture is dying and micro transaction graphic whorism is rife all because of Sony and Microsoft. Sony are worse than Microsoft at the moment.
@Col_McCafferty never left.
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 and here to stay.
@Shinobi1Kenoby You saying that yakuza 6 is the same as yakuza 3, and that judgment and fist of the north star are mediocre at best means you haven't played them and that you are forming an opinion based on .. nothing (imagine saying anything yakuza related is mediocre... the sheer stupidity and lack of taste). I bet you haven't played any game I mentioned and based on your first comment, you don't play any jrpg it seems. If you ask any jrpg fan you'll know the ps4 is simply amazing in terms of exclusives. Also "Gaming culture is dying and micro transaction graphic whorism is rife all because of Sony and Microsoft" Wth? ALL Sony 1st party titles "besides ND games" have 0 microtransaction in them, at most 1 dlc as it's the case with HZD. Maybe Microsoft has them since they make mostly MP games unlike Sony which focuses on SP. If anything, Sony is the company that is the final grace for what you're saying, if sony 1st party games go full microtransaction mode then Western gaming is doomed (A lot of jrpgs franchises are still free of any dlc or microtransaction like dragon quest, star ocean, final fantasy (besides XV, there are no Mt in any ff game), Danganronpa, Kingdom hearts...)
@OthmaneAD
https://youtu.be/5q2OWpjtct8 Fist of the North Star, looks, plays, moves and controls like a PS2/Dreamcast game. 15 year old cookie game rebadged for PS4. THIS type of game is made for fans of the franchise and not to appeal to the gaming community. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but definitely puts it in the mediocre category.
ALL yakuza games are mediocre. The intent behind them is massively appealing and I looked forward to them on PS3.... but they never moved on from PS2 and play in the same weightless, cumbersome and clunky fashion as the predecessors. Sega took the Shenmue build and rebadged it for Yakuza and never had the in-house talent to develop much further than the 2000 classic.
If you want a list of classic and actual good quality JRPGs then you need look further than games like, Octopath Traveller, Xenoblade Chronicles, Breath of the Wild, Dragon Quest and Fire Emblem. Dragon Quest is also on PS4.
I also never said Sony is going micro transaction, my comment was the gaming community is slowly going that way. DLC used to add to games to extend the longevity of their appeal, now they’re encumbered with the design of the game from day one as a business strategy. Sad to see.
The PS4 has a lot of exclusive games, however this list https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/explore/ps4-exclusives/ reads more like a bargain bin that a console selling list.
@Shinobi1Kenoby I was really looking forward to it and it fell a little short, think I built it up to much in my head. The visuals, animations and music are stellar.
@Shinobi1Kenoby "ALL yakuza games are mediocre" is one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard. The best video game series is described as being "mediocre". Another ignorant thing you said "DLC used to add to games to extend the longevity of their appeal, now they’re encumbered with the design of the game from day one as a business strategy. Sad to see." Are you serious? the strategy for publishers is to NOT release dlcs after the game is out??? Are you living in a rock, literally most games come with a season pass and most dlcs are ideas the developer didn't chose to include in the main game and sell it later for a profit. Having a game with no dlc is the way to go as you can one coherent experience unlike when the story is incomplete and you need a dlc to complete it (FF XV, DA:I anyone). https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/explore/ps4-exclusives/ doesn't include 3rd party exclusives and those are very important to any console. Also, there are much more than those exclusives I mentioned since every single game that's released in japan first and then translated to english after was a ps4 exclusive at some time (Yakuza 7, death and request 2, Trails of cold steel 4, YS IX, Yakuza isshin, chaos child chu chu and many many more.) The ps4 exclusive list can be doubled if you include those type of games. And as I said, you can criticize sony as much as you want, but it's the best gaming platform for GAMES and with the ps5 launching. The PC masterrace will be no more as the ps5 (and series x for that matter) will more powerful than most pcs out there and if the games are better optimized for these systems than it might outperforms even a flagship gpu
@OthmaneAD the yakuza franchise is mediocre.
The PC master race???? 😂
After that everything you said just sound like a plug hole draining. Sorry.
@Shinobi1Kenoby
You know what’s funny tho? Calling the Switch the best designed bit hardware ever. The joy con drifts, dodgy wifi, disconnecting joy cons, usb LAN card issues, heating so much it warps the screen and cracks the plastic.
But i mean, what would a kid with no friends know about anything?
@Shinobi1Kenoby because it’s still correct 😂 why would the truth change because of a few years 🤣
@EquiinoxGII every single third part release is a weaker experience on PS4
@HeroYoshiko your applying the opinion of the Wii on the Switch. That’s is just all different levels of *****.
@HeroYoshiko because these types of problems are into exclusive to switch. Never any issues with Xbox or PS4 controllers? Drift occurs with joy cons die to their inherent mobile natures and people not looking after them properly. They are not built to withstand the hammer of mobility; the 3ds circle pad was. This is a manufacture fault not fitting the intended use.
The Switch Pro Controller however, takes a huge dump from a significant height on every controller that’s existed before or since it was released.
@HeroYoshiko warp units, I would warrant have been people that have stowed it somewhere it shouldn’t have been.
I have a day one release TO THIS DAY with thousands of hours, docked and mobile, still tip top condition.
@HeroYoshiko the PS4 just is **** hardware with nothing to offer. It’s a slab of plastic and at best, is a PS3.5. Waste of money, always was and will be.
@Shinobi1Kenoby
Lol you idiot 😂
@HeroYoshiko beg your pardon? That’s not even remotely a comment on anything, just an outright direct insult. Based on nothing. Unless you care to elaborate on why somebody more intelligent than you is an idiot?
@OthmaneAD 'Switch plays games like *****' First of all, I'm not sure which 5 letter word you were censoring. Secondly, your comment is an absolutely stupid fanboy thing to say. The Switch has an amazing selection of fantastically performing JRPGs.
Hey @OthmaneAD listen to @__jamiie There is a gamer with more clue brains and seemingly more eyeballs too as that is all it really takes to see such a glaringly obvious fact.
@Shinobi1Kenoby I bet you love playing ark survival evolved and the outer worlds on docked. Nintendo fanboy, you know zelda looks like ass when compared to CEMU? Not that I suggest you don't buy the game but it's just hilarious the enormous difference (look for zelda ray traced on youtube)
@Shinobi1Kenoby lucky for me I have both.
@OthmaneAD do you even know you’re typing? Or do you just stab at keys while asleep then hit send? That made no sense at all or have any coherent point. Reaching as far to guess what games I love or fanboy over? 😂 you are pathetic.
I own more consoles and games than you ever will and having been playing way longer than you I’m guessing. Any opinion I have is from playing 1000’s of games over 10’s of consoles across decades, you utter child and I based on my experience of said games. Not pathetically defending PlayStation because I’m so immature that I have to love the only console mummy can afford to buy me.
@EquiinoxGII both what?
@3monthbeef come on man, it’s a GBA with dodgy control sticks. I’ve owned one from launch, it has it’s place. But to call it the best designed anything is hyperbolic.
@Ajhutchinson I’ve now played Horizon Zero Dawn.
It is crap.
Action sections, very well made.
However, the story is “meh”, the in game graphic engine is just standard with a misleading cut scene engine to compensate. (Still employing this tactic in this day and age is pathetic)
The amount of talking, talking, talking, talking is excruciating. It makes a 30 hour completion around 18 hours watching NPCs talk and at best, only 12 hours of you actually doing anything. So goddamn boring and disappointing after it started so well.
But it’s all flash and misdirection to appeal to the general PlayStation fanboy mob and it worked yet again.
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