Television manufacturers often play a demo reel on their brand new displays in order to best show off their products to the public. You know the ones -- there's usually footage of glitzy cityscapes, swimming polar bears, and fields of flowers, all of it beautifully crisp to entice shoppers. Well, Sony has been using Gran Turismo Sport for a similar purpose, and the game has been spotted running on the company's new 8K TV.
At CES 2019, the Japanese giant, which is obviously known for its high end electronics as well as its games, is showing off the Z9G, a 98-inch LCD television with an 8K display. In the above video, you can see some brief off-screen footage of the set showing Gran Turismo Sport which, thanks to some upscaling and other clever technical wizardry, is displayed at twice the resolution as normal.
It's pretty impressive. While this doesn't really confirm anything, it's interesting to postulate whether the PS5 could potentially run games at such a high resolution. If 8K TVs eventually become the norm, we guess the games will catch up at some stage, and it looks like Sony could be pushing the envelope in this area. Are you eager for 8K games, or have you yet to even make the jump to 4K? Start saving for the Z9G in the comments below.
[source gtplanet.net]
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Meh, don't really care about 4k or 8k.
Thing is, twice the resolution on a screen that big is going to look like a 4K picture on a TV half the size, i.e close to what we actually have in our living rooms, no?
That being the case, don't get me wrong it's impressive, but isn't it more worthwhile from a general consumer perspective to have a more realistically sized TV with an 8k panel? I'm not sure my living room could hack anything over 65 inches.
8k on a "regular" size home TV would be almost completely unnecessary. It's cool for tech shows like this and on a 98" inch screen a bigger resolution is nice but ultimately stuff like this is unlikely to be coming home. There are bigger tech advancements to visuals they can make than simply keep upping the resolution.
The PS5 certainly isn't gonna be 8k capable. It'd be nice if it actually did proper 4k though, and at a minimum it has to be better than the One X so there's a decent bar to hit (or excel) already.
@kyleforrester87 I'm gonna say, at this point not only are we seeing diminishing returns in cost to consumers for the specs to run stuff like this in a console, but the TVs are the barrier.
To get the benefit of a 3840 x 2160 image, you need a TV large enough to support the DPI. That obviously has to sit somewhere in your house. That's a 40" plus TV at the minimum.
For an 8k TV, that's 7680×4320 and this TV shown off here is 98".
Assuming that's the industry standard diagonal measurement, that is a TV that is 8 feet across.
8 foot TVs.
Not in any reasonable home are you going to have the combined vertical/horizontal shelf space or wall space to facilitate such a thing.
Even a 60" TV and up is one hell of a stretch.
So I have to ask, the hell is the point?
Also, I find it weird how for resolutions we went
240p
480p
720p
1080p
all named for the pixel count along the horizontal axis
But then we go to 4k and 8k which named for the....vertical axis? Why?
@Knuckles-Fajita @roe I am not sure it would be necessary per se, of course video games in general are not necessary. But take the Retina display on iPhone, such a high resolution on a small screen was undoubtedly a big step up over the screens used prior which were considered sufficient at that time.
I agree the returns obviously might not warrant the cost, but your eyes really do get used to the difference between SHD and UHD - going between Gran Turismo and Mario Kart 8 last weekend I was surprised at how jaggy MK8 looked in comparison. I expect the same would be true of 8K.
For me, as it stands I don't really think I want higher resolution just to allow for bigger and bigger displays, I'd prefer higher resolution on a display of around 55-65 inches to get a really (really!) crystal clear image.
Looks amazing but not interested in 4k or 8k etc. Games look more than great already on my HD TV.
@kyleforrester87 "going between Gran Turismo and Mario Kart 8 last weekend I was surprised at how jaggy MK8 looked in comparison. "
I take it that was played on a PS4 Pro at 4k?
Because the thing is, MK8D would look jaggy compared to Gran Turismo on a standard PS4 at 1080p anyway. It lacks anti-aliasing so even compared to a lower resolution game with the feature it will on average look jaggier Even at 4k, MK8D would still look worse. XD
As for something like phones, my phone has a 5.5" display at QHD. Do I need it? No. Does it look different if I turn it down to 1080p? Everything looks bigger, but no less clearer.
But then if I go to my, comparatively bigger, 6.2" 720p Switch screen, it looks fine too. On a smaller screen the difference becomes negligible.
Though I want to meet someone who could accommodate a 98" TV and then ask them how much Daddy paid for the room
The 4K standard is just getting a little popular and now they are releasing 8K TV... with most contents still in FHD and almost nothing in 8K.
We can expect a PS5 Pro in about 5-6 years with a few games in 8K.
@IBeAGamer 4K is only useful on a big-ish screen if you're close enough. I have a 55" 4K TV and when I sit 4m away, I don't see much of a difference between FHD and 4K content. But I do recommend a HDR compatible TV. It makes more difference than 4K.
@Knuckles-Fajita yup it was GT in Sonys Pro version of "4K".
And I do agree, it becomes negligible butttt it's still down to the individual and it's something you'd probably need to use for an extended period to really see if the difference was worth it for you.
@kyleforrester87 I do wonder if, like VR, upper resolutions can truly benefit me
@Knuckles-Fajita Look at it this way: richer people pay for the first few generations of new technologies. This funds R&D and leads to cheaper and better products a few years later.
I don't care about VR and 8K at the moment, but make it affordable and I'll get an 8K TV when I decide to replace my current one and I might buy a PSVR on the PS5 if they improve it and make enough good games VR compatible.
This could apply to the ps4 Pro, high end PC, cars, etc... You never need the most expansive version
@Rhaoulos well that's it too, increased resolution on TVs results in consoles with more horsepower which increases the resolution of VR. It all leads on to the next thing.
It's really annoying to me that high quality TVs really only start at 55" or 65" which is way too big for my living room. 1080p has always looked hideous on a 65" screen, 4K is acceptable on it, but I would just prefer a high quality, 40" 4K TV. Since that doesn't exist I had to go for a 32" 4K monitor, but there are no monitors with Dolby Vision yet and xbox one is now supporting it so that's a shame.
Slow down world, i want to get off.
Drop me off in the 80's.
@GoodGame People said this about standard definition.
Whether 8K is necessary or not, VR definitely needs the bump in resolution more than anything else. And a TV can always display a higher resolution than VR, playing from the same system of course. So whilst 8K on TV may not be that important, getting 4K in VR would be pretty cool. Not PS5 though, but in a year or 10 from now.
Here's Sony pushing new 8K tv's and all I want is a new TV that's compatible with my old school consoles 😂
@carlos82 Unfortunately, I don't think there has ever been a TV that has made Saturn games look good. (Maybe one day technology will get there!)
@kyleforrester87 You are wrong. It would still be twice the resolution per cm^2 on a tv half the size. 8k is 4 times the resolution of 4k.
And the TV isn't big enough to be twice as large as most TV's in use anyway. It is bigger than average but nowhere near close to twice the size.
I'm sure the PS5 will be quite capable of playing games at that resolution... just as long as you're happy to pay £1000 - £1500 for the console.
I can't even be bothered with 4K until I basically have no choice. Bought a new gaming PC capable of 4K easily, but still only bought a 1080p monitor with it. On the screen sizes viable for my use, it just isn't worth it.
@KeanuReaves Ah thanks. But at 98 inches, isn't it it's almost double most 4k sets which seem to be at around 50 inches? I think my point still stands, that for me there seems to be more value for an 8k (or even higher) resolution on a 40-65 inch screen, instead of a screen at 100 inches that I couldn't fit in my living room.
I think ps5 will have dedicated hardware for scaling games automatically to 8k (checkerboarding version 2). I hope it has one for framerate too, like the one on my (lg) tv but better.
And I think it's cool if playstation hardware upgrade had synergy with their tv, like ps5 has 8k hardware scaling while sony make 8k tv.
I don't see the difference between 1080p and 4k on my 55inch tv though, so I think 8k is a waste on tv smaller than 75inch.
@kyleforrester87 Well even at 100" it would still have twice the pixel density of a 50" and they also said they had an 85" version which just further increases the pixel density ratio. It should be said that higher pixel density has diminishing returns at smaller view distances. TVs at that size utilizes that.
@Rhaoulos Depends do you stream 4K or do you really have it on disc. 🤓
Do you have a expensive 4K TV if it says 4K at €500 it still will be crap. 😁
Shouldn’t it be 4 times the definition?
If 8k has double the horizontal pixels and vertical pixels 4k has, then resolution is quadrupled.
Best thing about this is the puzzled look the Sony guy gives the presenter after he says “we’re here at CES 2017”
8k is 4x 4k and as GT Sport runs at 1800p CB (in other words 1600x1800 and uses previous frames to reconstruct at 3200x1800p image which is then upscaled to 4k), doubling that, could mean they run natively at 3200x1800p. I expect they would need to quadruple it to 3200x3600 and use CB to reconstruct a 6400x3600 image which is then upscaled to 7680x4320 (8k).
8k is a real possibility for PS5 - if it comes with HDMI2.1. It doesn't have to be 'native' 8k - as we have seen from GT Sport which isn't even 'native' 1800p and games like H:ZD and God of War. When you consider Fifa runs 'natively' at 4k/60 on a Pro, 4x the power for a PS5 should be enough to boost that to 8k. I am not suggesting that many, if any big AAA complex games with massive draw distances, lots of complex geometry with complex lighting/shadows etc will run natively at 8k on a PS5 - it may just be the domain of small indie and more visually simplistic games. I would expect the PS5 to be HDMI2.1 so 8k is a 'possibility' but then so should 4k at 120fps which I would prefer to see.
With such a wide range of Displays out there, I wouldn't be surprised if the PS5 games offer much more choice over settings - 1080p, 4k or CB 8k with options to pick Ultra, High or Medium visual settings, cap frame rate at 60 (for TV's that can't offer better) or unlocked (VRR will help) etc - more like PC options. Its possible that some will still have an 'old' HD TV, some a basic 4k, some with HDR, others a 4k with HDMI 2.1 so can offer 4k/120, and some with 8k TV's too so it makes sense for devs to offer settings to get the 'most' out of the game with the display they have.
Yes techs great but nothing will beat the arcades of the 80’s:)
@kyleforrester87 cheeky, there are plenty of good looking games on the Saturn, just not many 3D ones
I'm getting ready for 8k! Gonna remove my sofas, remove all cupboards (who needs vases and physical stuff in this day and age!) and shelves. Install bean bags, getting rid of walls and hang tv on the beams! Yeah gonna go interior naked!
@Flaming_Kaiser
Exactly, if you can't tell the difference of 4k on my LG oled then you need to go to specsavers, and stop kidding yourself that there's no difference. The difference is night and day. I will agree though entry price for good oled is high currently, but this will drop. I got mine as a mix of buying a big house to please the wife and a decent bonus when I needed it, but £3k is a lot for younger gamers to be investing in. The only benefit of being 42
@Frigate
That's so tragic first time I've been called middle age before. Guess it's true. Unfortunately I'm cash rich time poor as it were, so I don't get to game very much. Think it was about 5-6 hrs per week on that video thing you can do to sum up your ps4 life. But putting it into context I'd spent £500k on a house she wanted so I really felt I deserved a great tv. Out of interest how old are you?
@Frigate
Honestly if my 16 year old daughter read that I'd never live it down 😂
8K already? We only started the 4K craze a few years ago; slow down a bit!
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