Gran Turismo Sport's HDR Implementation Is Drawing a Lot of Praise

Wont do you any good if you don't have HDR equipment.
Which seems to be most people.
Kinda preaching for the choir this.

@get2sammyb

Maybe, maybe not.
But HD was a substantial upgrade over SD
HDR ? at that price range ?
Not so much.

@kyleforrester87
I got a HD tv it does fine.
I'm in no hurry to upgrade unless my tv croaks

But can you imagine that black and white TV held out till the 1970's ?
In fact, there are still about 8000 hold overs the UK still using black and white sets.

@get2sammyb
Guess we wil have to see in 2029 how things have gone.

I want flying skateboards by then damn it !
Also can i post to a news site if Kyle is interested in the black and white article ?

@kyleforrester87

I'm one of those types of people who will buy a tv and use them till they keel over.

Never understood the appeal of fishing myself though.
but ah, not interested in that article about black and white tv users then ? ;p

I'll have to check this out on my 4K HDR TV later on.

@kyleforrester87 Your 4K HDR must be small or not have excellent PQ for it to be under £1000. Usually for a top of the line 55" 4K HDR TV your looking at closer to £2000. I got my 55" Samsung KS8000 for £2100 last year but won't be upgrading till it has significant upgrades like HDMI 2.2 etc.

My lg b6 is ready

I don't have a HDR-enabled TV, but when my current one dies on me I'll be making bloody sure my next one is! I would love to see the likes of HZ Dawn and Forza 7 in all their HDR glory, but can't justify spending the money on a new TV when my current one is working fine.

So far HDR hasn't really impressed me on PS4. Tends to make things looked very, very washed out and bright. Thought it was my TV at first, but my X1S does a fine job both on 4K blu ray playback and games that support it.

@MaccaMUFC i got the 55 inch ks7500 last year for £950 i think you got mugged off my friend lol

@RedMageLanakyn somethings wrong there. Maybe with your setup.

Effects like lightning grenades on destiny, neon in infamous and clanks bright eyes literally look incredible. Like they would if you seen them in real life. When you switch hdr off it looks dreary in comparison.

@kyleforrester87 @MaccaMUFC i bought a tramps Phillips hdr 4k tv for £400 from Argos and the games look amazing in hdr. However the lag is shocking.

@Gunners85 I actually never paid a penny for it, I got a check of £2100 when my old LG OLED 1080p broke, even though it was only £1800 and I only made one monthly payment as I got it on finance, I don't know how or why but I wasn't going to complain so I just cashed in the check.

@themcnoisy Well, I've tried dozens of things, from swapping hdmi cords, swapping hdmi ports, messing with TV settings, PS4 and PS4 Pro settings, i spent probably 4 hours working on it when I got my TV. When I plugged in my X1S and it ran through the initial setup, everything worked and I haven't had to touch it since. Could be that my Pro and TV aren't playing nice together for whatever reason, but it's not enough of a problem that I'm going to send anything back.

@RedMageLanakyn The most common cause for that issue is the RGB setting and whether one is set on full and the other on limited or vice versa. You need to ensure that these match - limited to limited or full to full otherwise you get washed out HDR or crushed shadows (depending).Sometimes having this set on Auto - particularly with the Pro as it seems 'broken', it often doesn't match up with the TV. It is some communication issue between the two. You are better off manually selecting the RGB yourself. It shouldn't matter if you opt to use 'Limited' as a lot of TV's can only cope with Limited RGB and Full is more common with Monitors or 'quality' HDR TV's.

Also you may have to set the HDR properly in game too - often by adjusting sliders to give the 'right' range.

I won't be upgrading to a 4K HDR TV until better TV's are available, what I mean is, TV's that take more/better advantage of the HDR specification and for sure it has to have Dolby Vision (12bit) dynamic HDR. To be honest, to reap the benefits of 4K resolution you need a big screen because on two 42" displays the further away you are from the screen the less noticeable the difference between 1080p and 4K are. With HDR however you can notice it from across a room, it's striking. For me personally HDR has my interest more than 4K does. Viewing distance in relation to screen size is very important. P.S how many people calibrate their TV's to get optimal picture quality and balance, I bet most people buy them, take them out the box and plug them in, job done, maybe they will use one of the picture presets which is not the same.

@BAMozzy Right on, I might take another run at it this weekend. My TV is a Vizio P55-C1, which is a higher quality model from last year from what I've gathered. It does support full RGB on the X1S, and both forms of HDR as well. Thanks for the info though, I'll keep it in mind when I look at it again.

@RedMageLanakyn Well its not a 'bad' TV but its not exactly premium standard. Not belittling or criticising but it doesn't meet UHD Premium standards in any area - black level, Peak Brightness and Wide Colour Gamut but its better than some 'budget' HDR TV's as they can be even lower brightness and not even offer any WCG but at least yours does. It also has a proper 10bit panel too so that's better than a lot in its price range. Talking of its price, it wasn't bad according to the reviews I read and Rtings seemed to think it was OK but it's not on a par with the Samsung KS or QLEDs, the Sony XD/E9 series, the ZD9 or the HDR OLEDs from LG/Sony - all of which are UHD Premium - meaning they meet the minimum standards for HDR10.

Like I said, I am not belittling your TV but the fact that it doesn't meet HDR10 standards can affect HDR playback and in particular its tone mapping. The reason I looked up the specs was to see if it was related to the quality of the TV and what RGB it supports. Some of the HDR TV's can actually make gaming look worse than SDR (Games don't always handle HDR as Films do and Eurogamer recommend not using HDR on some 'HDR' TV's for the better experience) but yours should handle it OK - maybe not to the Premium TV standards but at least should give some reasonable level of HDR

Anyway the setting you are looking for is often called HDMI Black level and you want this set to Normal if you set the Pro to Full RGB. based on the fact you said it's washed out, I would imagine your TV is on Normal but its receiving a limited RGB. If it was the other way round - ie the TV on Limited and the Pro sending Full, you would have ended up with crushed blacks.

@kyleforrester87

oh well here we go
http://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/tv/its-50-years-colour-tv-13266376

@BAMozzy No worries about belittling the tv, I had to do some convincing to the wife to even get something new, she doesn't really see the appeal of HDR or 4K, so i had to keep the price under $1000 to keep her happy! Overall I've been happy with it, looks 20x better than my last TV and seems to handle UHD content well. I've messed with the HDMI black level settings in the past, and i do remember trying to get the settings to match up with the PS4. There was also another setting for UHD content, and HDR as well. Might need to reset the tv to factory settings and put PS4 and at default to see what happens an go from there.

i prefer monitors and there aren't really any HDR monitors yet.

@RedMageLanakyn UHD settings are usually to turn on the TV to accept a 4k source that uses HDCP2.2 and is needed whether its HDR or not. Generally the issue is more likely to be with the PS4 Pro's 'Auto' setting for RGB rather than the TV. It seems that this is quite common with the PS4 Pro and not just with Visio TV's so its better to fix this to Full (or limited) and ensure the TV is set to match. I could explain more why its important to match but the end result is that a mismatch results in either a washed out image or crushed blacks. The problem with 'Auto' though doesn't affect every game either it seems. I have heard of people criticising a games use of HDR when other games have looked great but this game looks washed out and its usually because they are using 'Auto' with RGB on both TV and Pro. However its usually the Pro that's sending the 'wrong' information (telling the TV its a full RGB but only sending limited) which causes the washed out look.

I wasn't criticising the TV but some people can get very defensive when you tell them their TV isn't 'Premium' Quality even if it cost £1k or more in some cases. Of course they can still be an upgrade over their previous TV as often they quadrupling the resolution and can offer a bigger contrast than SDR. Its kind of like being used to seeing 1080p games and then the Pro comes along and offers 1440p. That still looks better than 1080p so its an improvement and looks better than what you were used too but it doesn't match up to a 'full 4k with 4k assets etc. That doesn't mean that the Pro/TV etc are inherently 'bad' but you do miss out on some of the impact the full 4k/HDR could offer you.

Again not criticising at all - i know not everyone can justify the costs that having the full impact can offer - especially as the content isn't exactly abundant yet and it may suffice until such a time as when the full specs are available at much more reasonable cost and there is sufficient content to benefit from that too.

That being said, I won't lie either and 'pretend' that something is better than it is.

@BAMozzy Well, another hour put in and I've made some progress. I was able to fix the high level of brightness, and got the black level to what it should be. Some colors are still a little off, but i think I know how to fix that. I've only tested on Horizon so far, hopefully these settings are good for all games so I don't have to make separate profiles per game

Anyways, thank you for your help! Your advice gave me a definite step in the right direction, and I'll keep playing with the settings to tune things in.

I'm sure driving a bumper car in 4K HDR must be way more funny then doing it in 1080p!

@RedMageLanakyn Happy to hear you made progress and I was able to help. Some 'tuning' can be done in game with 'sliders' to set the HDR level for your display too.

@andreoni79 4K HDR makes the game look better, which in turn makes the game more immersive. The more immersive a racing sim is, the better.

@Moeblob That's true, but the power of current gen consoles should be used to improve game mechanics too. If it wasn't for the graphics, GT Sport could perfectly be a 2001 game.

@andreoni79 I can't talk about the gameplay myself, since I've not played the demo or the beta, but from what I've heard this game have great driving pishycs just like the other games in this franchise. I can understand if you're talking about the lack of damage models, dynamic wheater and dynamic time of day, although I personally don't see these things as a big deal.

@KitsuneNight you can get a 4k TV in the UK now for under £400

4K and HDR are amazing.

HDR especially, is the greatest update to visuals in a long long time.