It's been a tough year for the UK games industry, with major studios such as Lionhead and Evolution shut down – even if the latter team was fortunately kept together by Codemasters. But there are concerns that following last night's Brexit – in which the British people voted against staying in the European Union – there could be harder times ahead.
While concerns across the country – and, indeed, globe – are far reaching and complicated, we'll stick with the games for the purposes of this article. And according to Piers Harding-Rolls, a director at analyst IHS Technology, there's a possibility that UK gamers may end up paying more for future consoles – such as the forthcoming PlayStation 4K.
"The impact of Brexit on pricing depends on whether the exchange rate impact is sustained for a long period of time and whether it moderates after this initial shock," he told Eurogamer.net. "There has been at least one example in the past where UK pricing has been increased, specifically for console hardware, in response to a weak pound. Any currency exchange rate swing is more likely to impact console hardware pricing over software."
Harding-Rolls tempered that the competitive nature of UK retail means that prices will likely get driven down regardless, but if the value of the pound does continue to decline, then that could lead to international manufacturers such as Sony increasing the initial cost of their hardware in order to make up the deficit.
Of course, there's also concern about whether publishers will continue to invest in the country. PlayStation has an enormous base of operations in London, as well as first-party development teams in Cambridge, Guildford, Manchester, and Liverpool. So, what will become of those now that the UK's decided to opt out of the EU – as well as the many other studios around the country?
"Multinational games companies may reduce their investment given uncertainty around the economic and cultural mood which could ensue," cautioned former UK Interactive Entertainment chairman Andy Payne. Harding-Rolls said that he doesn't expect much change in the short or medium term, but the vote may prevent British developers from successfully recruiting talent from around Europe. "That could have implications for our competitiveness versus other leading centres of games development," he said.
Not good, then. Well, various UK-based developers are remaining bullish, with both the Wakefield-based Team 17 and Oxford-based Rebellion noting that the results may lead to uncertainty in the immediate future, but there's no reason to panic yet. Ultimately, we need to see how the coming changes affect the industry before we can say anything with conviction.
Perhaps the only certainty is that all of this, er, uncertainty could have been avoided. Alas!
[source eurogamer.net]
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We all have differing views on the referendum. If you're commenting in this thread, please keep your thoughts civil and on-topic. If you can't communicate in a polite manner, you will be banned.
Every single article I have read today, seems to point out that it was a very bad choice, honestly I can't understand why British people voted to leave, but I really hope it turns out good for you! As for the price of future consoles, is seems natural to become more expensive if british pound lose value against other coins, no ?
PS. Keep in mind if you are going to reply me with political and economical terms, most probably I wont understand them!
I can see the PS4k costing us in the UK a similar price to the US. They will pay $400 (for example) and we will now end up paying £400 instead of £350... Just hope our talented developers remain in employment. It will be difficult for them to join EU based studios IF they find their studios are being closed down - as we have seen happen lately. If other British studio's are not 'employing', they can't look to EU for work - it works (or worked) both ways...
The decision has been made personally its certainly not how I wanted it to go and there will be many ramificatons across all industries and especially for consumers. I never imagined this day would happen and it does make me feel a sense of sadness. Everything we are not making here will become more expensive due to the exchange rate. It would be nice if developers were supported with tax breaks or other additional help to make them competetive but I just can not see that happening. These are very tough times ahead. Its times like these where East 17 said it best "stay another day"
I really don't get why they wanted to leave EU. They can though since they have a somewhat strong economy, it is not like UK is so dependent on EU's money like Greece...
As for prices in well anything they may rise if pounds drop in comparison to euro. For us it may become cheaper to buy from Amazon (mostly books for my studies that I can't find here, games end up be more expensive due to delivery fee) unless they somehow have import fees.
@BAMozzy yeah I can see that happening with the pricing for the PS4K. People are probably lucky who have done pre-order on PSVR because I can see that also going up in price
I guess you guys can start on your plans for world domination via the Anglosphere again....
Subdue the Canadians (should be easy) and then launch a pincer attack on the US mainland with Nickleback and Alanis Moriessette.
The Canadian dollar fluctuates in an annoying fashion, prices go up quick when the dollar dips but only go down after months of being on the uptick, that's why you gotta hunt for them deals.
Also how many people own a 4k tv to actually take advantage of the improved resolution? Has that ever been in a poll here?
Very disappointed my favourite gaming site has decided to write what strikes me as a very biased article on leaving the eu. If I want nothing but negativity re this decision, I'll look to the myriad other articles out there already
@Lotan10 I don't think this article is biased at all. It's in-keeping with our usual style, if not significantly more neutral given the delicate subject matter.
I could have written something you'd really complain about, but I have some modicum of professionalism and this isn't the right forum.
@get2sammyb I could point you to your Facebook page where a number of people don't see it as such. Or perhaps the last line of the article.
@Lotan10 Fair enough. I think it's undeniable that the changes have led to uncertainty, however. If the status quo had remained the same, then I doubt we'd be having this discussion.
And if, for whatever reason, a remain vote had temporarily weakened the pound, I'd have written an article with the same slant. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Worry not, we try to avoid politics here as much as possible, but I thought this was worth a post. I'm sorry you don't agree.
I hope the Nisa store leaves the UK and comes to Europe. I don't want to pay import taxes and the expensive pound. Maybe it will be cheaper to import from the USA. Sorry mates nothing personal it is expensive is enough. I am really dissapointed that the UK left. Europe is not perfect but I think we will get better off it in the end. People seem selfish it is the same in the Netherlands so I hope we never get a referendum. Somehow I wanna see if scotland wants to stay with UK?
I've been seeing articles like this all day and its a humurous notion when one considers that the UK has lost a wealth of good studios these past few years whilst being in the EU anyway.The notion it somehow funds aspects of the industry here is another funny one. We pay the EU £12 Billion, they give us a £4 Billion rebate that they delegate on where its spent. We fund these endeavours with our own money in essence.
It's not even been one day yet. Give it a couple of months for everything to settle and it'll be business as usual. Everyone just needs to calm down
I voted leave because I feel this country has been dictated by the EU for far too long where we don't have full control over our laws and borders. Many assume the "leavers" are against immigration completely but that like many things are untrue. What I and many others were against was too much immigration to the point where places like Boston have become a huge community for Polish people. Middlesbrough (near where I live) have just lost over a hundred years of steel industry because both the EU and our leaders didn't do a thing to save it, yet some were surprised we voted to leave anyway. I and obviously 17 million more felt that something had to be done because for the past ten years they have sleep walked through their daily lives without paying any attention to the people who feel they were either ignored or left behind because of globalization, at least now they might be shaken out of their lack of empathy.
@get2sammyb that's cool, I think I'm just tired out from the bombardment of negativity today towards leaving the eu. It's nice to come to sites like this to escape it all tbh. Thanks for taking the time to listen, and not respond with vitriol or anger. Seen that far too much today
Among the not too many positive things that I can see coming out of Brexit there is the fact that a weaker pound may incourage international trading eventually - but to get to that point a period of money devaluation and loss of purchase power seems inevitable ;( That is going to mean more expensive games among other things.
Give it a few months and people will think what was all the fuss about.
Sterling hasn't been this weak since he played against Russia
Each to their own of course and everyone had their chance to vote. I certainly don't agree that it was the right outcome - a vote with their hearts instead on their heads! Immigration issue has dictated the vote rather than what being in the EU actually does and benefits. Hopefully Britain will learn from being in the EU with all the rights it gave to people, working directives, hours etc and we don't end up losing a lot of those just because of 'immigration'. Its clear that when you look at how people voted and where they live played a big factor too.
Just hope it doesn't split the UK as Scotland and Northern Ireland both voted to remain - Scotlands independence (or lack of) was linked very heavily to the UK remaining in Europe and they could now have a second 'independence' referendum yo rejoin the EU. They say there is 'safety in Numbers' but if we end up being a small island consisting if just England and Wales essentially with very little to offer in the way of produce/manufacturing, then we certainly have nothing to trade or bargain with. People say they will still want their Dysons but not if they can buy Miele for cheaper instead...
Maybe in 5yrs we look back and think it was a good thing - I hope so even though I totally am against it myself...
I'm personally glad you mentioned it, this is a once in a life time change and people that think it's all going to settle down don't understand the larger picture of what this means not just for the UK. This could be the spark that changes everything.
Part of me wonders if it won't happen... wait for Boris to take power and then make a U turn on an EU exit. If these politicians were committed to the exit they would already have put it into motion surely? He emerges as the saviour of our country... don't think it's as far fetched as it may seem either.
I have zero problem with people making an educated vote backing their beliefs but when I see some of the people that have been interviewed and their uninformed reasoning I really do despair of some of the people that populate the UK. A lot of them didn't even know what they were even voting for. I get the impression a great deal of the votes were protest votes but they've drastically underestimated what this will actually mean.
Where to go though, so many countries are going the same way, Trump in the US, Front National in France... and that's only going to get worse. A very worrying trend.
I sincerely hope it does work, because the majority of UK residents will have little option or come back if it doesn't. We actually had it pretty good IMO, and I think it's a pretty sad day for my country.
Eh, good thing I'm not gonna get one. I couldn't vote because I'm not old enough, but I would've voted leave. But really I don't know too much about the subject, so don't blame me if anything goes wrong. Personally, though, I reckon things will be better in the long run.
I am so glad push square published this article and triggered this debate,i am not a British citizen,but i am interested in politics and the news,back in 2014 when Scotland voted to leave the UK,one of the reason the majority voted NO was the EU membership,but i think now they feel stabbed and separatist will never lose this opportunity to reach their goal,i could not believe British people,i must say English people voted to leave and listened to unstable people like farage and made people like putin happy and descend their country into uncertainty and possibly(high likely) disintegration.
Stability will take months dont overreact . The people have spoken. Ironically the potential ps4 neo price was not a part of my decision making whilst i wayed up the pros and cons of voting out.
they also predicted doom and gloom if we kept the pound, that worked out ok,
As a gamer it simply means one or two less game purchases a year if I purchased the new ps4k. It shortens my 'backlog' of games and i see this as a breather and good thing! As for the politics we have heard scaremongering from both leave and remain camps. Let's give it a couple months and see which camp told the truth. Truth will set us free 😄
The stocks and pound will rebound. The EU is a sinking ship and I honestly can't understand how others don't see it as such. The UK could liberate all of Europe from the bloated, dying mass of the EU. Not to mention being able to propose the laws that affect your country is priceless, as far as I'm concerned.
Though see as how the Lisbon treaty worked out I can't see this decision sticking for long, but hopefully it does.
No panic on pricing is needed, the pound will recover after things settle, if anything the lack of Prime Minister til october is more likely to cause instability.
As for gamers, I cannot see prices rising massively , if at all, especially considering PSN charges 54.99 for the "cough" privilege of digital, compared to 39.99 on most online stores for a hard copy. All that would happen is their rather incredible profit margin for digital releases would take a small hit....
#sourcrepes
nonsense, the UK gets ripped off anyway when it comes to electronics and consumer products
I voted out. And i'm glad.
It's only really gonna hit Nintendo, because their subsidiary for the UK is part of the EU branch, and their UK market is so infinitely tiny that maybe the mark up on it isn't worth it. I see that as a victory at this point.
Hell I'm taking any positivity. Even if it affects my employment its more positive to 40 million than negative to 13 million, amirite?
@BLPs You see it as a "victory" that Nintendo may leave the UK?
Okay. Sure.
Next time please leave the insults out of the comments, thank you. -Tasuki-
I will ask you again to please watch the insults -Tasuki-
You seem to want to ignore my warnings. I will give you some time to think about it -Tasuki-
I think many of friends here still have not got it,they have not realized what is at stake,its the very existence of the UK,i think younger generation was betrayed by an angry older generation who wanted to take revenge on the establishment
@Bazza78 my friend according to numbers and statistic most young people and most people who live in big cities voted to remain,the future belongs to them,like i said,i am not a britsh citizen,i am just interested and do not want to see the UK's collapses
@Grawlog
To be honest I don't think hardly any Americans have an opinion on Brexit. The concensus (IMO), is that the EU is a governing body of overall good......but I'm far too daft on how EU regulations would actually affect my everyday life to make me want to throw in my theoretical two cents.
@Major-Zero
Sorry, but society is not ruled by just one demographic.
well the pound (while lower than it was) is starting to stabilise according to the FTSE Index (before the referendum it was 6,338.10 and now it's hovering between 6,100 and 6,200),most of the UK's trade deals were with countries outside the EU as while we was and currently still are a member of the EU the UK was pretty much independent anyway (hence why we never had the Euro)
to be honest it was only a referendum which in itself is basically a nationwide poll, or in other words the Government asks the public a question and they vote on it, the question is if the Government acts upon the answer or not?
for all we know the UK will stay in the EU because as it stands the UK hasn't actually started the exit process yet and there is still time for negotiations
as for how this affects things like Games and consoles, most likely all that will change is the price and things will become more expensive but when companies the operate in the UK are already paying all of the UK's tax requirements and company costs and distribution licences (which was always separate from the EU) it probably wont impact them much at all
@BLPs ???????
Not being in the EU doesn't mean mainland European based companies cannot sell products in th UK.
A subtle reminder to maintain pleasant discourse in this thread, please. And also, if we could maybe try to stay on the subject of games as closely as possible, that would be appreciated.
Thanks all.
It's worth pointing out that a large contributing factor of the exodus of British game developers over the news was down to the EU. The UK government had to wait years for the EU to allow the UK to give tax breaks to the game industry, due to its rules and regulations. It's just as feasible to suggest that leaving the UK will allow industries to thrive without the EU's beaurocrisy.
There will be positives and negatives of leaving the EU. It won't be as bad as some are suggesting but equally I don't think it will be as good either.
By reading some of the comments there is a bigger picture of the benefits the UK has by leaving the EU, it's not just all about immigration you know that's just mostly how it played out on TV.
The price of Hardware will probably stick around the same price, I really cannot see a massive change in price's.
@get2sammyb my points remain on point about all industry in this country, specifically engineering, including software and video games development.
The development constraints of being part of the EU, and education restraints for educating the future engineers and developers working in the UK should be focused on encouraging students at a young age in our education system.
The introduction of the new BBC micro computer into year 7 is a great idea. But school facilities and ethos need to be spurning children on to aspire into degree level and growing our manufacturing and in turn our exports.
A future video game hardware platform from an as yet to be established UK software and hardware team is not an impossibility, and would be better served and better supported with not being part of the EU.
New video game software development teams, supported and built with talent trained and educated in this country would be better for the economy as export, job supply and tax revenue all see an increase from such ventures without trade restrictions in place with the EU, with skilled jobs having quality candidates supplied from this country.
Not spending £350 million a week means there are more options to rebuild our education system and the potential investment into new businesses.
It basically means our tax can be spent on things this country desperately needs to rebuild itself rather than handing it over for free when we really can't afford to in the first place.
@DESS-M-8 I never said they weren't.
T'was a reminder to everyone in the thread is all.
It could mean a more expensive console or it could not...I play games to escape from this kind of thing, would have been better for push square to have sidestepped the current brexit arguments and focus purely on games in my opinion.
@get2sammyb just precluding myself from getting tarred with the same brush as people rallying/moaning over the result despite actually having no idea either way about what just happened. 😜
@get2sammyb
Brexit could also mean a cheaper PS4K for the UK.
But when you say more expensive.. More expensive than what exactly?
More expensive than Mainland Europe?
More expensive than originally projected?
A vote to look after our country?? BS Its been EU law and directives that has looked after people rights and welfare. The working week for example was EU law not UK. Immigration and the freedom of movement of people within the EU are 2 very different things. Most of the immigration etc is people from outside of the EU, people looking to get away from places like Syria etc. Its clear that areas of high education voted to remain because they understood the full implications of this vote. They saw beyond all the propaganda and BS.
This does affect gaming (although a very minor thing in the grand scheme of things) - EU tax breaks, ability to hire talent from the EU and also the ability to move to other EU studios when studios close, EU investment (let alone the drop in the value of the pound), the UK games industry will not be able to access schemes such as Creative Europe and Horizon 2020 programmes. IP's (Intellectual Property) can be affected by this decision too. The UK is part of both the Registered Community Design regime and the EU Trade Mark regime and also recognises the Unregistered EU Design Right. Such rights provide protection to rights holders across the EU Member States. Potentially such EU related rights might lose their validity in the UK. The implication being that those parties who originally held such EU rights may need to apply for UK trade mark and design rights to protect their rights in the UK. This may result in issues relating to existing development and publishing arrangements, IP licenses and security over IP rights.
The UK video games industry is a high technology sector that provides high skilled employment for over 30,000 people, including approximately 11,000 development staff and which contributes £1.1 billion to UK GDP. It is also export oriented, with at least 95 per cent of studios exporting. Following the referendum in favour of ‘Brexit’, it will be more vital than ever to strengthen (and avoid harming) those sectors.
For the video games industry, it is particularly important that policy makers ensure games companies have access to sufficient finance, benefit from Video Games Tax Relief and R&D Tax Relief, have clear and stable IP rights and can access highly skilled people from outside of the UK. Any new points based migration system must not be onerous or complicated, otherwise the industry’s growth could be held back.
If we lose the Tax benefits, the investment from the EU and elsewhere because the costs etc are more 'beneficial' in Europe, then we could find our 'gaming' industry collapsing because it isn't financially viable or competitive due to lack of investment.
Most of those who voted 'leave', lived outside of London and if you think that the 'politician' will put 'investment' into the the North or the 'rural' areas, then I really think you are misguided. Most of the investment will be used to stabilise the ramifications of this decision in the financial capital.
The point of the article is that there is uncertainty in the gaming industry, as there is in any industry, after a vote to leave the EU. I think that was completely the point of Sammy's excellent article.
There are comments going back and forth. Some people are saying, aww it will be alright in a few months. Some are saying it could spell real trouble. No one knows what is going to happen. What we do know is that the UK games industry has felt some tremors recently. The gaming industry does use a lot of EU talent which may become inaccessible. Since we don't know which way it is going to go, any major economic turmoil will obviously affect the gaming industry and its place in the World. Of course, it might not.
Personally, speaking as someone in the technology industry with European contracts, this is a disaster to me. The country is torn and uncertainty in economic turns very rarely brings stability.
i think this discussion has got WAY off topic
perhaps @get2sammyb should consider locking the comments because it is starting to turn into an argument
Just a reminder to keep it civil please, people. We're at 86 comments here, it's the weekend, and I can't be arsed with any aggressive arguments. With that in mind, anyone who steps out of bounds from this point is going to get a ban, plain and simple. Thanks!
Ok guys I just cleaned up the comment section, anymore off topic discussions on politics will earn the poster a ban.
Thanks for understanding.
See mine and @ShogunRok post above, thanks -Tasuki-
@Tasuki Sorry, I was already typing and your message only popped up as I pressed 'Reply'. I understand if you want to edit/delete my post now but please accept this wasn't intended to deliberately go against your post
@BAMozzy I figured as much, no worries
@Tasuki thank-you, I didn't want you to think I was deliberately disobeying and like I said, I fully understand and accept the editing of my post.
Once again thanks for the understanding...
I for one will still buy the PS4K regardless of a slight price increase. I own a 4K tv and I will also own the PSVR, so it makes sense to invest in the console more suited to those things.
This is the final warning discuss how this can impact the gaming industry if you are going to comment here.
Don't discuss the following. How other countries should leave the union, how messed up England is for whatever reason, how people should have voted. Doing so will earn you a ban.
Thank you for understanding
I'm 24 it's as much my future as it is the other young ones, But on topic, I'm quite happy paying a few extra quid for hardware for what I believe to be a better future in the long run, though I fear that so much panic in such little time from the markets is a tad redundant considering we've a minimum term of two years yet to arrange our books and settle up with the EU, one thing I'm hoping for in gaming is not having to put up with the censorship in some EU games due to some states stances on the material, hopefully the studios are safe though, there the guys in the industry really going to get kicked around and we have some great talent here. Fingers and twos crossed that it all blows over soon, no idea how long the Winchester will allow me to sit here for.
All going well, developers can relocate to Scotland.
well as i said in a previous comment
"as for how this affects things like Games and consoles, most likely all that will change is the price and things will become more expensive but when companies the operate in the UK are already paying all of the UK's tax requirements and company costs and distribution licences (which was always separate from the EU) it probably wont impact them much at all"
i really don't think that for companies and distribution, much is really going to change because of this
Wow I should really stay in the news more. All I can say is hope everything thing goes well for the UK. Obviously it was what most peeps wanted. And hope we can all still game together , you Brits are a riot to play with , cheers.
@Matroska
I am no British, but I understand what you are going through, we have similar problems here ( Greece )
There are so many thing I want to tell about this matter, but since this is getting kinda out of topic and we are in a gaming site, I don't want to talk about politics. The only thing I am goint to say ( again ), is that I really wish you the best!
Ok guys, I had to clean up this comment section again and had to give a couple of users a vacation because they chose to derail this thread with nor political talk that doesn't belong in this article.
Again keep the discussions to the article at hand. Not who voted to stay or not.
Thanks for understanding
With not just the pun plummeting but also investors world wide pulling their money out, it will take a while for the UK economy to recover. While prices will go up, wages will not and there will be jobs lost especially when the Leave process is completed and businesses have a massive loss of trade and tourism.
There's a few ways it can go. With job losses more may work for themselves and there could be more UK single person game developers. There also could be heavy discounting of games and consoles to fight the waning demand as more decide a bluray player and discs a fraction of the price of console and games is the only entertainment they can afford.
Worst case scenario is only the really dedicated console fans keeping buying consoles and games, and a lot less end up stocking and only with a reduced selection. Best case scenario is things return to normal in a year.
It really all depends on the work done by the government and businesses on making sure new deals are in place by the time Brexit happens to minimise job losses and business closures. But it will still happen, which is why investors pulled their money out of the UK to invest in countries with a much more stable and profitable outlook.
Haven't noticed any mention of the sudden introduction of immediate payment for pre-orders on the UK PS Store. Has this happened on mainland Europe as I believe it contravenes EU law whilst on the US store it's been common place for a while? Is this a result of referendum outcome?
I'd initially assumed it was solely for pre-orders that include content that can be downloaded ahead of release but nearly all new additions have this new caveat.
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