Topic: Nintendo Switch --OT--

I'm noticing this system is having a hard time doing anything right.

@themcnoisy I am not arguing with your reasoning at all. The value of it though is very much a personal thing. PS+ at £40 a year may not seem 'great' value to someone who has no interest in online gaming on their PS4, no interest in the IGC games and/or the extra discount in the store.

With around 50% of PS4 owners also subscribers, this indicates that 50% don't see PS+ as offering 'value' to them yet I personally wouldn't want to be without it because I want to game online. I am sure you probably get more value from your PS+ subscription than I do as I don't buy games online (generally) and don't often have any IGC games of interest to me yet you also have a Vita so have more reason to subscribe and can keep that 'fed' with games without ever needing to buy a game at all - especially as 'new' games seem few and far between - is it still getting releases??

For Switch owners, that £20 'could' provide enough incentive to subscribe - not just the online but maybe the access to a few games a month - even if they are rotated rather than kept - is enough for less than £2 a month.

@BAMozzy yes obviously value is relative.

I would like to see a rollback in the 'paying for online' it's free outside of the console space and its annoying that with the 3 consoles they have all followed this approach. Costing £100 a year between them. But hey its the modern world. I won't be buying it, having the switch offline will do.

@themcnoisy I'm glad I enjoy single player games more than multi player games (or is it because I rarely play mp games due to the paid service?).

Some people use the argument that the free games make up for the price, and while that could be true, I have no interest in those ''free'' games. I usually buy my games when they come out, and if I don't buy a game myself, I probably didn't have much interest in the game anyway. I'd like to see a stripped down version of those services as an option. Remove the free games, just the online play. You know what would be even better than that? Allowing users to host their own servers, and bypass the subscription altogether.

I don't really play PS4 online, other than Destiny, which I havn't played in a while, but I'm bound to get back on it once D2 launches.

I don't really play the free monthly games.

But I keep my subscription for the odd times I do want to play multiplayer, and for the store discounts, which I expect make up for the majority of my subscription fee.

Maybe Nintendo will give store discounts for members too.

@KratosMD My Nintendo. Yeah... Got an e-mail the other day with a birthday gift from Nintendo, a whopping 30% off a game of choice (well, from a limited selection). Turns out, I already own those games, and I don't have a 3DS, so those discounts were pretty pointless...

@Octane 'Allowing users to host their own servers, and bypass the subscription altogether.'

Yup I like this idea.

@kyleforrester87 PSplus is fine, you get the triple benefit of stable online, a variety of games and (recently very good) discounts and Its been available from the PS4 release. The Nintendo offering is no bells online with a moon old game that, lets be honest, anyones passed caring about.

It's more the case of the Nintendo service coming way after the switch release, I'm happy with the here and now don't change it!

@KratosMD your example is bad business all over. Nintendo are great at making games, but I don't trust them to do right by the consumers due to their usually backward business strategy.

I'm not a big online player, though I do it occasionally with friends. With PS Plus, I maintain that mainly for the choice but largely for the discounts and the 'free' games. With a Vita and a PS4, I do tend to play at least 3-4 Plus games a year, as well as swelling out my library so for me, it is worth it.

I don't think the $20 a year for Nintendo is extortionate but to be honest, the MP aspect interests me even less then my PS4 so without added fringe benefits, I probably won't bother. I would echo the sentiments that Nintendo do go out of their way to make things challenging for their consumers.

Super hyped for Metroid Prime 4 and the new Pokemon RPG!

Nintendo's E3 is going so much better than I expected.

@Ralizah You got any trailers for those games? I'd like to see them

@Octane It's not like people don't know what Pokemon and Metroid Prime entail. They're coming. That's enough for now.

I am kinda underwhelmed by Nintendo's Spotlight...it might be that we come from 2 days of eye-melting stuff but it all seems so dated. I am really hyped for the new 2d meteoroid though! And Prime 4 but all we got is a screenshot...that was so lame! And also : "Pokemon team is working on a Pokemon game for switch!" ...oh, you don't say! Here is another bomb: gran turismo 7 will have cars!

The more of SMO I see, the more I love it. This Mario game is so weird and creative!

Seems safe, conservative Nintendo is safely in the rear view mirror.

I love how weird it looks too.

To those saying they didnt show much of substance that we wont see for years, I direct you to the much lauded Sony 2015 where we got the Last Guardian, brief CG for FFVII, and the launch of a funding campaign for Shenmue 3.

Here, we got announcement that Pokemon was funded and in development, about one year out, Metroid Prime 4 is funded and in active development, and Super Mario Odyssey is in October.

And whats sad? Prime 4 will still land before FFVII. And that one of the highlights wasnt asking for funding.

This was the holy trinity for Nintendo just as Sony had theirs.

@BLP_Software
All true. Nintendo wins E3 this year, hands down. MS didn't impress nearly as much as I thought it would considering the Xbox One X was being shown off and I think the reason it failed to impress is because in the end, it's still an Xbox One just like the PS4 Pro is still a PS4 and it's going to be held back by the base model because the company is tethered to that userbase. MS signed some big third party marketing deals but Sony has some to counter that and none of the games these companies throw money at are exclusive anyway. Since MS didn't impress that much, I think it's obvious Sony decided to play it safe and basically recycled what we saw at their 2016 shows. Nintendo, despite having the shortest 'conference' actually had new, interesting announcements. If somebody isn't to Nintendo games, sure, it won't appeal but as somebody who just likes great games, Nintendo takes first in my book. It's not an A+ showing but it's a strong B, maybe even B+. Sony and MS were C, C- at best.

@Gamer83 I think its some double standards to see CG for games that go MIA for years and a bloody crowdfunding campaign on the stage of Sony and the return of a seemingly dead property to be heralded as amazing, but this, with confirmed active development and a release just months away is "nothing".

Would it be better if they crowdfunded Prime 4 and decided Pokemon gets some CG and didnt arrive until 2020?

@BLP_Software Hey, this is not a competition but the comparison is not fitting in any any way.
We already knew about Super Mario Odyssey, it wasn't announced at this E3. That the Pokemon team is working on a Pokemon game is barely an announcement, and surely not a shocking one.The Metroid Prime announcement IS cool and I am super happy about it but the game has not reached that "mythical creature of dreams" status in gamers imagination as FF7 remake or Shenmue 3. Those games were the poster child for far-fetched fan fantasies never coming true. Something like it would be the announcement of Half Life 3 and the closest Nintendo equivalent would probably be a Mother 4 announcement.

Comparison aside, I felt that they didn't have much to show, especially for a console that is not getting a lot of the multi- platform offerings, and I noticed how VC wasn't even mentioned again. It must be said though that E3 is not the only occasion for announcements with Nintendo and they will have other digital reveals throughout the year but this presentation was extremely low key with just one big surprise announced in the most dry way possible.

You're both right...

BLP is right that excitement over the Pokemon and Metroid Prime announcements are no more silly than the excitement surround FFVII:R, Shenmue, and The Last Guardian.

Feena is right that the Nintendo announcements just can't compare to the Playstation announcements. Metroid Prime 4 comes the closest, but it was just the resurrection of a fan-favorite series after years of being in stasis, not a wild dream project that nobody ever thought would happen. I do think Sony was kind of cheating by reaping the benefits of the excitement over Shenmue, though.

I can appreciate someone looking at Ninty's E3 and saying it was underwhelming. I thought Sony's E3 last year was underwhelming (outside of the Resi VII announcement, which, again, was kind of cheating, considering it's a multiplat), and people regularly talk about how amazing and mind-blowing it was. It all depends on what you got out of the games on display.

FOR ME, Super Mario Odyssey is easily a GOTY contender, and I thought the Metroid II remake looks awesome. Additionally, I thought Xenoblade, FE Warriors, and Mario+Rabbids looked really solid. Finally, Metroid Prime IV and a new Pokemon game on a device with the power of a home console are incredibly exciting. I thought it was a really good showing.

^I agree and wouldn't ever say that any kind of excitement is silly hahaha, it's the best part of following the industry and events like E3.

This was my Nintendo E3:

Super Mario Odyssey looks interesting and kind of an oddball ... I like that. At the same time there is something very Super Mario Bros movie/Sonic 06 in its aesthetic that I might need a bit more to digest but probably will contribute to make it more unique. I will probably get a Switch at the time this comes out.

Xenoblade 2 looks terrible imho: bad voice acting, dated graphics (way inferior to Xenoblade Chronicles), extremely tropey-looking characters. That trailer came strikingly close to a JRPG genre parody. FE Warriors is...another warrior game. But we knew about all these titles anyway.

New announcements: Kirby and Yoshi 2d platforms. Ok I guess, but I feel like we had 100 of those in the past years? I am sure they have their audience though. I refuse to acknowledge the Pokemon announcement as an announcement. It's a given. Microsoft is working on a new Halo. Square Enix and Atlus are working on JRPGS. We know. Show me how different/evolved it will be running on the new hardware and I might get excited. They didn't even have a title for this one...

Now, the Metroid titles news are really exciting! Super Metroid is my favourite game of all time and while I would have preferred sprites over 2,5D I am all over return of Samus. Psyched about Prime 4...I have been waiting for this announcement at every E3 for 3-4 years. It just seems strange they hadn't even the faintest glimpse of the game/concept art to show after all of this time.

What's up with the Virtual Console? The Switch is the absolute perfect fit for it and we don't know anything about it. It would totally make the console for a lot of people.