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HallowMoonshadow

Amazon Studios is getting a Fallout show made by the studio/people who do Westworld.

I... honestly don't see the point in a Fallout show to be honest beyond brand recognition 😂

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nessisonett

@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy Yeah, the main story isn’t interesting or unique enough to warrant an adaptation. The games are great (mostly) because of the side quests and the Bethesda formula, which wouldn’t factor into a TV show. I’m not particularly faithful.

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HallowMoonshadow

An anthology series about the various vaults could potentially lead to some interesting stuff @nessisonett... particularly if it leant into the dark humour side of things

... I don't quite see that happening at all though.

Just slap a wonky looking pipboy, power armour and some blue spandex on some actors, throw in some guns, gore and dodgy CGI and that'll probably be it 😅

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nessisonett

Finished watching that Penny Dreadful: City of Angels. I really enjoyed it, despite hating the original show, although that might be due to my overwhelming annoyance with everything Victorian. It doesn’t seem to have done too well from critics although it looks like it’s been review bombed by fans of the original show too. I dunno, the main family portray their parts brilliantly and every subplot tied together nicely at the end. I guess some people were just looking for something more.

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JohnnyShoulder

@nessisonett I really liked the original series of Penny Dreadful, but the only way I can watch the new one is on NOW TV, and i refuse to subscribe to that service unless I get a deep discount. There are a few shows on there which I would watch such as Watchmen, but having stuff like paying extra to boost everything to 1080p really grinds my gears!

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HallowMoonshadow

I didn't even know there was a spinoff show for Penny Dreadful @nessisonett so cheers for that!

Like Johnny I quite liked the original series myself, the first season in particular.

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JohnnyShoulder

Think my favourite season was the one with the witches, @Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy. Forget which season that was though, season 2?

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nessisonett

@JohnnyShoulder Paying for 1080p? Wow, that’s grotty. I’m only allowed to have Sky according to my landlord so at least I get Atlantic, which is clearly the best channel on TV.

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HallowMoonshadow

Yeah season 2 was the one with Witches @JohnnyShoulder

I actually quite liked how much of a barstool/how ruthless Sir Malcom was in season 1 & the episode revolving around the exorcism of Vanessa in particular I found rather compelling.

The other seasons were pretty good though too. I don't think I liked the ending much but it's been a while since I've watched the series!

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JohnnyShoulder

@nessisonett Yeah it is pretty grim. I think Sky Atlantic was the only channel I watched when I had the Entertainment package as it has the HBO stuff. Since Game of Thrones finished I'm less inclined to go back.

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nessisonett

I’ve been watching Ken Burns’ Civil War documentary. It’s pretty interesting, that’s what I studied in History at school so it’s cool that there’s such a detailed documentary about it. One thing I will say is that it’s old so historians have come out since and discredited some of what one of the dudes was saying but that’s to be expected. Apparently Ken Burns did a baseball documentary as well so I think I’ll watch that next.

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nessisonett

@LN78 I’ve found that I have an absolute disconnect between British and American history timelines. I cannot believe that the Civil War was during Victorian times, it feels almost like a whole different world. It’s also interesting that the Confederate army was so much better at the beginning of the war. Before studying it, I always saw the Union forces as a superior force that crushed them in a few years but the truth, as always, is a lot more interesting and detailed than that.

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nessisonett

@LN78 We used Battle Cry of Freedom in school, it covers right the way through from the Mexican-American War right through to the end of the Civil War so it’s an absolute tome. We were studying the 18th Century America in general (unfortunately no cowboys) so that one definitely helps. North and South, the other Swayze miniseries, is also pretty good, even if it’s incredibly 80s. Got to love all those mullets in uniform!

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Th3solution

@LN78 @nessisonett The American Civil War is one of the most fascinating historical time periods in my opinion (I’ve often thought its been overlooked as a ripe opportunity for a video game setting, but I suppose the topics at hand might be too controversial for a studio to take a chance on it). It’s also a war and a time period that is largely misunderstood. It was a dark, dark time in American history and of course was the single bloodiest war as far as loss of American lives is concerned. The whole ordeal can be very confusing to even citizens of the U.S. and so I certainly expect students of the era from the outside to be even more perplexed by why a nation tore itself apart so savagely. Slavery, of course, is a large piece of it, but State’s rights and many other issues further complicated the two factions.

I enjoyed the Pulitzer Prize winning book Killer Angels so I can recommend that as probably a more leisurely read. The novel is one of the first of its kind - a historical recreation of the Battle of Gettysburg, told in a story format akin to a regular novel, with dialogue and narration of the characters’ thoughts. As such, it reads much easier and entertains better than a chronicled dry academic textbook and really makes history ‘come to life’ and makes these historical figures seem like real people. I listened to the Audiobook once which was well done, as well as read it once. Killer Angels is the basis of the movie “Gettysburg” (not the mini series which was actually called “North and South”. “Gettysburg” the movie starred Jeff Bridges, Tom Berenger, and Martin Sheen; and the “N and S” mini series starred Patrick Swayze. The mini series was full of cheese and full-fledged fiction and drama. It was for entertainment purposes only whereas the movie Gettysburg and the book Killer Angels are an attempt at accurate recreation of the Gettysburg battle)

Edit: sorry; you’re right — According to Google, “Gettysburg” started out as a TV mini series also, but was put together for a theatrical release. That’s how I saw it was on DVD all edited together as a movie. I didn’t know it was previously chopped up into a series.

Of course, Gettysburg is where Robert E. Lee and the South lost their edge. They could have probably crushed the Union and marched on into Washington DC if only Lee had followed his usual tactical genius and played a better strategy and listened to his other generals’ counsel. Instead, he went counter to his previously proven record of defensive and conservative tactical warfare and ... well completely blew it on the Gettysburg battlefield and that was the beginning of the end for the Confederacy as the tide turned in favor of the North.

Ken Burns is a prolific documentary filmmaker and he has loads of really good ones, I hear. I have only seen parts of a few of them, but I really need to see the Civil War and Vietnam entries. They are just so long though and I lack the time to invest a dozen hours into each. But yes, the baseball one comes highly recommended, and I think it’s a lot shorter.

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nessisonett

@LN78 Oh dear, oh dear, that sounds like perhaps the most misguided show of all time. The Man in the High Plantation House, essentially. At least with Nazis, they’ve been typical bad guys for 80 years but Confederates are still revered in certain parts of the South. Let’s be honest, they’re both white dudes who made money off boobs and dragons, it would have been an hour of torture porn that was apparently ‘gritty’ but merely just pointless to watch. Like how The Handmaid’s Tale evolved into an anti-feminist show because by freeing the women, the show would end and the male head honchos would stop making money, therefore it’s just hours of watching women get mistreated while knowing that every escape plot will end in failure. Dear lord, that’s the worst idea for a show I’ve heard in years.

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Th3solution

@LN78 @nessisonett I find alternate history to be really fascinating and fun to ponder, but yeah - the show “Confederate” would have have definitely been a bridge too far (ba-dum-tshh) as far as a “what if...” type of thought experiments.
Interestingly, if your curious there is also another book called Gettysburg by Newt Gingrich and William Forstchen which is alternate history (well, actually in the intro Gingrich likes to call it “active history”) about the battle where Lee doesn’t send his troops endlessly to slaughter trying to take a hill that the Union army clearly has the strategic advantage to hold, and instead follows the advice of his long-time friend and adviser Gen Longstreet and takes the attack around the hill cuts off the Union army as Longstreet had apparently been pleading with him to do. The battle of course has a different outcome and then there are two follow up books Grant Comes East and Never Call Retreat as part of a trilogy of what would have potentially happened. The interesting thing is this isn’t just some random fiction, but an actual academic study of how things could have gone written by two scholars with doctorate degrees in American history. I only read the first book after I got interested in the battle, so I’m not sure how it goes but I think they show that the Union would have still prevailed. The book is “meh” as far as quality, not because of lack of scholastic insight, but just are not written well enough to have held my interest.
But if the genre interest you, the pair also wrote an “active history” series about the American Revolution and about WWII. Not sure if the British win the American Revolution in their series, but in the WWII one I did read the first of that called Pearl Harbor where they have the Japanese navy not making a few of the overt mistakes in that battle such as missing some key bombing sights like the dry docks and the oil refinery, and not getting too skittish worrying about the two American aircraft carriers that happened to be out at sea which I guess they were nervous were going to come and counter attack them from behind (which they weren’t). It’s interesting to contemplate, and I think Gingrich says that’s the point, that in so doing, one analyzes the historical information and learns the content better when you do these “what if..” projects. However, the show “Confederate” most certainly sounds like it was never intended to be an academic exercise to promote better understanding of history. 😅

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nessisonett

I don’t think I could sort my favourite TV shows into an order, it’s too difficult! Still though, top 5 would probably be:

Justified
Silicon Valley
Twin Peaks
Peep Show
Adventure Time/Regular Show, I couldn’t decide!

Argh, got to put Atlanta in there somehow too

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JohnnyShoulder

Yeah tricky to out in any order but here is 5 of my favourite TV shows

Game of Thrones
True Detective Season 1
Fargo
The Thick of it
The Haunting of Hill House

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nessisonett

@JohnnyShoulder Ooh, you reminded me about True Detective Season 3, that’s one of the best limited series I’ve ever seen. I personally prefer it to the first season.

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RogerRoger

Blimey, that's a really tough question. I could list dozens of shows that've had a big impact on me, and that I think are important, so any ranking would change frequently.

As of this specific moment, and in no specific order, I'd probably say...

Star Trek: Voyager
24
Twin Peaks (including Fire Walk With Me and The Return)
Due South
Star Wars: The Clone Wars

That list avoids franchise duplication (you could swap Voyager out for The Next Generation on odd-numbered days of the month) and overlooks other favourites, such as Boston Legal, Brooklyn Nine-Nine (or its older UK equivalent, The Thin Blue Line), Doctor Who (from 2005 onwards) and The Thick of It.

I also have a weakness for the heavily-scripted challenge segments from Top Gear, back when it was presented by Clarkson, Hammond and May. The characters they play are brilliant satire.

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