Just got back from Deadpool & Wolverine and, ye gods, that was "Gratuitous Cameo: The Movie"! I'm shocked by the amount of quite inspired cameos that has managed to go unspoiled and I was very surprised by a couple of them. I'm sure the Internet Spoiler Machine (tm) is already in full swing, but I will still refrain from greasing those gears and keep the specifics to myself.
Oh, yeah, I also found it very, very, very funny and after having just seen Deadpool and Deadpool 2, I think I can say with some certainty that this one is my favourite (in spite of me not being a fan of the decision to bring Hugh Jackman back as Wolverine). I can't be sure, though, so I better go see it again (this will be the first time ever that I've gone back for seconds on a Marvel movie in the theatres)
@FuriousMachine spoilers are what worry me most. The movie comes out in Kuwait exactly tomorrow at the 25th. Well it’s already the 25th but we have one of the earlier timezones so whatever. Actually it’s quite ironic our time zone is so early but we get movies so late. Anyways Deadpool is the last hero movie franchise I’ve cared for due to its detachment from the MCU. At least the first two movies so I’m quite hyped for this, and I’ve generally been a fan of the character some time before the ps3 game was even a thing (although it’s surprisingly tricky to nail down a significant Deadpool “thing” before that. He’s a surprisingly young character history-wise)
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@Yousef- Yeah, dodging spoilers for high profile releases like this is tiresome; hope you'll make it to the cinemas in time to avoid the brunt of it
And while Deadpool now officially is a part of the MCU, this one stays mostly "MCU adjacent" (though they are having a lot of fun with the multiverse thing).
I believe Deadpool debuted in the comics in 1990 or 1991, so he's one of the younger mainstays of Marvel, absolutely. He debuted at a time when I had a window where I'd "outgrown" comics (I grew back into them again ) so I've never had much attachment to him outside the movies (I played the game, briefly, but it drowned in all the other releases at the time, for me).
I do love the movies, though
Just got home from Deadpool & Wolverine - up there with Winter Soldier and Endgame as the elite marvel movies for me (for different reasons or course).
@FuriousMachine huh, we got interesting contrasting perspectives then. To start thing off, I actually didn’t get the sense 7th gen was packed. But that’s mainly on my end because there weren’t that many genres I was into so I felt it was pretty dry. What didn’t help was my lack of literacy in English, I didn’t become self-taught and fluent in English until a much latter point in my life and as such rpgs were out of the question for me.
As for the comics, this is an interesting. I’m actually well aware of people who fell out of love with comics since the 90s and can see how Deadpool back represented things they resented. There’s people who probably still see him as the antithesis to everything they like. Me personally? It took me a little longer to stop following comics. I was already well acquainted and had my brain too marinated in Deadpool stuff to hate him. To this day, he actually remains one of the guys I’d eat up anything he cooks.
Also yeah it’s interesting how young he is for how big he is. I believe the biggest “recent” hero (in terms of how recent they are) is likely Kamala Khan, a character I’m also quite invested in.
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@Yousef- Yeah, I think you may be right. I assume they introduce new characters quite regularly, but I don't think anyone after Kamala Khan hit it quite so big as she did. Brilliant character; I really love her (and Iman Vellani does such a great job portraying her)
And me not reading comics in the 90s had nothing to do with the comics themselves, I was just at "that age" where superhero comics weren't "cool" enough. So I'm pretty sure I would have loved Deadpool back then, if I'd known he existed
Was just about to see if anyone had seen the RDJ announcement and it seems I'm late to the party. Utterly bizarre decision. I'll admit I'm curious to know how they plan to make it work. Odd it's for an Avengers movie also, thought they were making a Fantastic Four film which the character is more closely associated with.
@BearsEatBeets Yeah, Galactus is reportedly the main villain for the Fantastic Four movie, which is also a "period piece" (set in the 60's in a reality different than ours, apparently). I would not be surprised if there's a Doom cameo or setup there or something, though. It was also confirmed that the FF (along with the Thunderbolts) will appear in the Avengers movies, so that's likely the connection..
How much of all this is smoke and mirrors or subject to change, I don't know. All I know is that I'm excited about The Thunderbolts* and vary about the rest of it.
Regarding RDJ as Doom.... Honestly, what the hell is happening at Marvel?
Under most normal circumstances, even if I do not agree with a specific casting choice, I can usually 'objectively' appreciate why such a decision has been made.... but this is borderline absurd, not to mention remarkably confusing.
Is RDJ the result of Marvel's "smash glass in case of emergency" plan??
IMO, they either should have stuck with the Kang narrative and re-cast (would have been challenging, but do-able... especially as appearance differences can be explained away with Multiversal logic.) OR followed through in a better casting choice for Doom.
This might be unpopular, but I was really hoping they would bring back Julian McMahon - who played Doom in the 2 early F4 films. Julian McMahon's work in 'NIP/TUCK' was fantastic, and genuinely think he is a solid enough actor. The fanfare would welcomed the return of a familiar face also.
(Or as a runner up, the actor who plays Jaime Lannister - can't remember his name - but he would have been excellent)
The more I think about RDJ coming back as Doom, the weirder it seems....
On a plus-note, good to see the Russo boys back at the helm
@FuriousMachine Now you mention it that does a ring a bell regarding the 60's setting. Another bizarre idea and can only assume there is going to be some kind of teleporting/dimension hoping near the end so that they can tie in with the rest of the MCU.
Ultimately I think the desire to have all the films be 'connected' is just going to get more and more convoluted and messy. They did a great job to just about pull it off up to Endgame.
Can't say I'm familiar with Thunderbolts but sometimes that can help with the enjoyment of the films if you have no preconception of how it should be going in.
@BearsEatBeets I fully expect them to wind up in the Negative Zone or similar at one point (I say "similar" because with the Quantum Realm and the TVA realm already in play, I suppose they'll probably want to avoid adding yet another realm that can displace them in space/time, not trusting their audience to be able to grasp that much variety. See also: distrusting audiences to grasp variety in actors).
Not sure how that would fit with the Galactus thing, though, but I don't believe they'll spend much time on earth, at least.
It is speculated that Avengers: Secret Wars will serve as the cap to the entire MCU thus far and provide a soft reboot. Maybe they'll loosen up the "everything is connected" thing after that. I only know that I fully expect every post-Secret Wars role to be played by Robert Downey Junior.
@CJD87 I agree 100% with the notion that they simply should have recast Kang instead of going with Doom, but that would mean leaning even heavier into the multiverse things, and that has not gone over well with audiences, to say the least. I think going the Doom route is not only to handle the Majors problem, but maybe also tone down the multiverse stuff. Can't say I'll miss the multiverse, it is lazy and while I loved the cameos in D&W, I don't want the MCU to simply re-heat old characters and actors (which is why I was against bringing Jackman back, too... it worked in Deadpool, but I do indeed worry that they'll make him play Logan 'till he's 90).
And, yeah, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau (Jaime from GoT) would make great Doom, but they could even go with a relative unknown, as Doom absolutely should be masked and/or disfigured for 99% of the movie (allowing for 1% if they insist on doing the origin story). I worry that we'll get a Stallone/Judge Dredd situation here. And that's the thing, I've tried to be accepting of RDJ as Doom with him only doing voicework and nothing else, but I don't think they'll go that route and we'll end up getting notes of Tony Stark in our Doom.
@FuriousMachine Yeah the whole MCU has been a bit of a hot mess post-Endgame, with a few notable highlight amongst a sea of mediocrity.
RDJ is a class act, and was/is phenomenal as Tony, but it just seems to senseless to cast him in another separate high-profile role - it just reeks of confusion, and I just can't see how it will work well.
As for multiversal escapades.... I'm just so over it. Also had enough of every movie needing to tie into other multiple franchise entries (TV or Movies) whilst trying also to serve as a standalone narrative.
Its exhausting, and also makes me feel like the stakes are never 'really real' - any character can reappear of be brought back to life via Multiverse shenanigans. At least Deadpool 3 was pretty funny, and generally a pretty entertaining 2 hours.
I guess tough for Marvel/Disney though as that initial run from Iron Man - - -> Endgame was a decade of majority-hits, with very few misses. Films like The Winter Soldier, Civil War, Homecoming.... all seem like a million miles away from today in terms of quality.
I guess time will tell, but superhero fatique is definitely a thing.
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