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BAMozzy

@themcnoisy I could see the PS5 having 2 HDMI ports - but one of those being a audio out port for lossless Dolby Atmos. Some Amps don't support 4k HDR pass through and no TV (yet) has eARC so having a separate HDMI audio out - like the dedicated 4K bluray players do could be a thing. I don't expect a second HDMI TV output though.

Couch co-op may well be wanted by a small minority but it is a small minority. It seems pointless to build a console with the option to offer couch co-op on multiple screens for the few games that offer couch co-op. I am not saying couch co-op won't be supported in games but no doubt as prolifically as it has been this gen. I have two TV's so I would rather play online with both TV's connected to their own console. My Bedroom TV has a PS4 and XB1 set up with the Pro and X set up in the main room so it would be easy to have two people playing. Downside though, it may require 2 copies of the game - depending on how you buy...

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themcnoisy

@BAMozzy great idea. I once set up my gamecube into 2 audio outs and set them as a quasi surround sound. It was stereo plus an extra left and extra right speaker. I set the outside speakers to be better on high sounds and my normal stereo speakers to be more bassy. It was amazing. But the police came round when I was playing fzero gx as it was too loud. Good times.

This dolby atmos sounds great. Are the speakers wireless? If so thats a huge win. Even with the limited space in my front room I could put one behind the tv, one on the games storage to the left, one further left in the corner and one in the rear left over the door. Not true surround sound due to my living room but it would be better than the awful sound out of my phillips tv.

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BAMozzy

@themcnoisy Dolby Atmos can be Wireless - depends on the set-up you have. The most common set up seems to be the 5.1.2. The 5 being the centre, left and right front, left and right rear, the 1 being a base (the usual surround sound set up) but the 2 are either ceiling mounted or up-firing speakers that bounce the sound off the ceiling to give a more 'surrounded' and better 3D sound scape. Bullets for example sound like they are literally flying over your head. Cinemas for example that use Atmos, have speakers overhead but not every household are going to mount speakers in the ceiling so they have speakers that far the sound upwards to bounce off the ceiling. Its similar to soundbars that bounce sound off the walls to give a much wider and simulated surround sound from just a bar.

Samsung make a Dolby Vision Sound bar that fires the sound up from the bar as well as the providing the left, right and centre front sounds. It also comes with 2 wireless rear speakers and a sub too. The issue with wireless speakers though is that each usually requires its own power supply, so they do have 'some' wiring but its just the power.

My surround system isn't wireless but the wires were really easy to hide, I just ran them around the room under the skirting board/carpet. My Speakers are floor standing 'towers' so you don't have to trail wiring up the wall to where they are mounted - it keeps them tidy at least. My house has the plug sockets about 3' off the floor and under my TV, I have 10 sockets (yes I need all - 1 socket though is used to power the six block extension) that are not so easy to hide.

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@JohnnyShoulder You must be quite happy with the numerous fighting games that seem to be releasing. Tekken though does prove my point about the 'need' for a next gen and I wouldn't be surprised if Soul Calibre 6 also gives a good reason to bring out a new gen too.

Again, I know resolution is just 'part' of the equation when we talk about 'Graphics' and again Graphics are part of the equation when it comes to making a 'great' game.

Tekken though runs at 1536x864 on a PS4 and 1920x1080p on the '4k' PS4 Pro. That's not the whole story either as the game uses 'dynamic' settings to keep a 60fps lock. Unlike some games that dynamically scale the resolution, Tekken scales the post processing pipeline - so things like texture filtering, anti aliasing etc can drop down in quality. I expect Soul Calibre to be very similar too.

Of course if you own a 1080p TV, the Pro at least is delivering a full HD and can have better texture filtering etc. In fairness, you aren't likely to be looking at the textures in the heat of the battle with all those effects on screen but for 4k TV owners and a console that is supposedly selling itself for the 4k market, its a far cry from the '1800p' that Sony were expecting Devs to hit at the minimum with chequerboard or other tools that minimise the GPU workload to give the impression of a 'higher' resolution. That was what Sony sent to the Devs - guidelines on what they expected - along with the frame rate order that could not be lower/worse than the base PS4. I am not criticising the Pro for only going so far, taking that 'half' step into UHD. Sony will want to sell its next gen and its much easier if there is a big step up in visuals as well as the other areas (4k HDR Bluray, Dolby Atmos, Game VRR, improved frame rates, maybe even Dolby Vision as their TV's will support that etc). The jump from 1440p (Pro) to 2160p (PS5) is the same jump up from 720p (PS3) to 1080p (PS4). I totally understand why the Pro is literally the same as the PS4 with a 2nd GPU bolted on - it was never meant to be a 'new' gen but to essentially just double the resolution - hence 2 PS4 GPU's bolted together. Slight boost to GPU and RAM speed but basically the same to ensure that the Pro works perfectly with all existing games - also ensuring that you won't get 'exclusive' PS4 Pro content. The difference also ensures that any game that can't run at 720/30 on a base PS4 won't run at 1080/30 on a Pro either so they can easily justify why certain games etc won't release on that generation.

On average, the Xbox One X is rendering over 2x the resolution of a PS4 Pro. That would be the equivalent of 720p vs 1080p for HD TV users to try and put some perspective on it. Again, I am NOT bashing PS4 or Pro but trying to show what the difference is and why Sony need to bring out its PS5 sooner. Its also showing that whilst games are still coming, still looking great etc, that the actual 'quality' of the 'Presentation' is dropping. By presentation, I am referring to 'sharpness' and quality of the visual settings - like draw distance, shadows, anti aliasing etc - not the actual quality of the games ambition. Its obviously worse for XB1S owners as Tekken runs at 720p and with a few settings lower than the PS4 can deliver - none of the consoles offer the 'high' settings either - not even the Pro. For 1080p TV owners, the drop from 1080p to 900p with great temporal anti aliasing may not be that obvious. Games like Star Wars Battlefront looked incredible at 900p on a PS4 but Battlefront 2 on a Pro, whilst it looks 'good', up against the X, its a much bigger gap than the XB1 to PS4. There is still a gap between the X and the PC as well though not as big a gap as the Pro to X. The point I am making is not about how much better the X is but more about how far Sony are behind in terms of delivering the 4k console and why I believe Sony need to bring out its 'next' gen sooner.

Of course Sony can sit on its hands for the next few years, let the exclusives sell the PS4 and the Sony fanboys will be happy with their games regardless of the visual quality and performance. Like I said though, I would MUCH prefer to play those at 4k/60 than 1440p (or Chequerboard 1800-2160), much prefer to play games with locked frame rates AND resolutions but if Sony don't bring out a PS5 sooner, then I will make do with the 'Pro's' performance. I would rather play the games than not.

To reiterate, its not that the PS4 is literally 'dead' or would be 'dead' the moment that Sony release the PS5. Sony have supported their older generation well into the next generation. The PS1 for example was discontinued months before the PS3 launched so it continued pretty much all the way through the PS2 era. The PS2 was discontinued months before the PS4 released and Fifa 14 was released on all 3 generations of Playstation - maybe not as in depth on PS2 but considering its age, that's still an impressive run. The PS3 was discontinued over a year ago (unless you count Japan which carried on until May 2017 but ended a month before the Pro launched in NA) so I can't see Sony suddenly drop the PS4 as soon as the PS5 comes out. I can see them discontinuing the Slim at some point and just making the Pro though. If people don't want full 4k, they could still buy and play PS4 versions but at least they would have the console for the 4k era. It would be great if the PS5 is fully backwards compatible and games like God of War, Spider-Man etc all ran on a PS5 rather than have to buy a PS5 'remaster' in 4k/60 with improved textures etc. A free 'PS5' update similar to what we see on the Pro/X. Its clear that a lot of the Xbox games are releasing with future BC in mind. Play those on the next box and the dynamic scaling, unlocked frame rates run at their max level - full 4k with no need to patch. They still could of course to improve the visual settings like Shadow quality etc.

Anyway, I think the point has been made that whilst games are looking 'spectacular' they are also beyond the current generation of consoles and having to be scaled down further and further to run at 'adequate' frame rates. The current offerings from Sony are not delivering the 'full 4k' experience either and Sony surely must want to be delivering that to its fanbase.

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JohnnyShoulder

@BAMozzy Wow you got all that from me saying i prefer fighting games when playing couch multiplayer?! Credit to ya. 😉
Sorry i should have elaborated, i meant back in the day when there was no online. Yes there was a world before then.
I hardly play couch multiplayer these days, about once a month with my bro on PES.
Only played two fighting games this gen, the first injustice which i hated and mortal kombat xl which i really liked. And that was only the single player in those.

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@JohnnyShoulder LOL - no but that just reminded me of examples I could use to explain why I think we need a next gen Sony sooner rather than later. If they leave it too long, then the cross-over phase will be much more short lived. Third Part Devs are pushing PC's let alone the consoles.

The last time I played any couch co-op was probably playing Black Ops Zombies in split screen online but that was before my Son got his own XB360 in his bedroom and after that, we played online together. I remember sitting around my 26" TV playing games like Mario kart with the family - by the time the N64 arrived, we had a 32" TV but was still happy to play Goldeneye etc. With the Wii, I had my 46" HD TV by then but I also found it more frustrating playing split screen. Playing Zombies or MP in CoD split-screen was awful despite the fact I had half the screen. If I played side by side, I found it too restrictive to see the enemies flanking, if I played top/bottom, I found that the view seemed to narrow - in both cases, it was a struggle to do well.

Fortunately now my Kids are older and have their own console. When my Son visits, I can at least still play full screen with the main room and bedroom both set up with consoles. I buy Physically but my son has a lot of Digital games as I often keep his credit topped up so he can buy what he wants. This means he can download the games to one of the consoles - or even we can share the games if I don't have it myself - at least on Xbox anyway as that is his preferred console.

I don't like fighting games myself. The last ones I actually bought myself were games like Yr Ar Kung Fu and Way of the Exploding Fist. I also had Barbarian but got bored of that quickly - too easy too chop heads off LOL. A lot of my friends loved Street Fighter in the Arcades but I couldn't stand it - much preferred to play Gauntlet - Showing my age now! LOL

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