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Th3solution

I really enjoyed this article. Thanks for sharing.
I think I probably subconsciously knew that game developers used these little tricks to engage us, but never saw it explained quite this way with the whole biochemical responses they are targeting.

I have most recently noticed the "Bonding" mechanic while playing Persona 5 earlier today. I kept thinking, "Why am I given dialogue response choices when they clearly don't matter and really don't change the NPC's response or direction of the conversation?" Now I know.
Also I noticed that "Fairness" mechanic when playing UC Lost Legacy recently whereby the jumps seemed to be unusually forgiving like jumping in and out of moving vehicles in the final chapter and some of the crumbling pathways that seemed to slow down and give you time to run off and jump.

Game developers, those clever devils. Emotionally manipulating us all these years!

“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.”

kyleforrester87

Part of the thing that bugs me with ND games is how obviously some of these concepts have been implemented when you're playing it. The level design has me rolling my eyes too, during a chase scene you're lead towards your goal by various light sources and flapping cloth etc. They might as well have a big cartoon arrow hanging from the sky pointing toward the exit. It just makes everything feel so artificial?

I guess I like a bit of jank in my games. Occasionally it's nice to feel as though you're stepping outside the cage of the game, defeating the developers intentions.

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kyleforrester87

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kyleforrester87

@KratosMD I think when you play a lot of games it's easier to get into the developers head and understand the direction they're pushing you toward. I can't speak for Lost Legacy though as I've not played that one, maybe the open world nature of it makes it less obvious where to go next.

kyleforrester87

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BAMozzy

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Rudy_Manchego

Great read - thanks for sharing.

I guess it is like anything, if you notice it then it breaks immersion, if you don't then it builds up the enjoyment of the game. The first time I played the Jeep section in Uncharted 4, when you are being chased, I remember being completely exhilerated at me choosing my own path and was 100% immersed. It was only on playing that I realised that I was being nudged gently into the correct places. Now obviously there was trickery going on but my first option was to ignore it and just go with it.

Then again, when you see certain puzzles or obvious paths for climbing or doing then it does break immersion but I think this is the inevitable consequence of those mechanics being used a lot. I think games like Dark Souls are popular with dedicated gamers is because they throw in new mechanics that aren't what we see in most games and make you rewire your brain a little.

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kyleforrester87

@Rudy_Manchego Dark Souls lack of map and lack of way points makes all the difference. When you stumble upon a secret in those games you feel like you're one of the few people who might have actually found it. I find games like The Witcher very tiresome in comparison. A map full of question marks for you to check off? Whats the point...??? Let me discover those areas naturally.

I'm very keen to try Zelda, the lack of hand holding is very appealing.

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Rudy_Manchego

@kyleforrester87 Yep - I remember on Bloodborne finding my first shortcut back to the lamp and was so excited.

The problem with open world games, in general, is that they become shopping lists for me. Go to new area, get collectibles, do side quests, do main quest, move on. Zelda took me a good 10-20 hours to get my head round the concept of not having constant reminders of where I was going. When I realised there was subtle nudges if I wanted them or I could just keep wandering and exploring I felt liberated and finally 'got' the game. Before that I was a tad grumpy that I didn't know what to do, that is how deep the open world mechanics had gotten into my player expectations.

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Rudy_Manchego

@JoeBlogs Ha ha oh boy, I got so annoyed with the lightning, I would just port away until I realised that I could just unequip the metal weapons and armor and actually use it against foes.

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BoyFromMars82

I hadn't really thought about any of these, except I had heard about the 'rubberbanding' in Mario Kart.

@Rudy_Manchego @JoeBlogs I am tempted to try Zelda but its the lack of hand holding that is holding me back. I quite like linear games because I feel I can get some gaming in a short amount of time, rather then spending an hour or two wondering what to do!

BoyFromMars82

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kyleforrester87

@BoyFromMars82 Don't get me wrong, I love linear games too. But if you're going openworld, then I should feel like I'm on my own to do what I want and discover what I want. Otherwise make a linear game. Don't have me running round a big map chasing icons lol

kyleforrester87

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Th3solution

Yeah, I hate to admit, but although I consider myself a relatively hardcore veteran gamer, I like a little hand holding, but I like it even more when I don't know my hand is being held.
Like has been said, some of it is time constraints. With so many games to play, I can't be wandering around aimlessly and not making some kind of progress toward a goal. If it's too open world, it runs the risk of losing my interest. I tried Dark Souls a long time ago and didn't get too far into it, partially due to the nebulous goals of what path I was supposed to take, coupled with lack of save points and easy loss of progress when dying. Maybe I need to try it again one of these days; I've been tempted to give Bloodborne a try but I worry I will still just get frustrated.
Playing Persona 5 now and the game makes sure to tell you to look up in the right corner to find out what you're supposed to be doing 😅. That's more my speed.

“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.”

Rudy_Manchego

@BoyFromMars82 It is a mindset change and I was really not sure it was a good fit for me personally but what I found, with the Switch anyway, was that you could pick up, have a wander for a quick bash and then put it down. Because there weren't lots of missions or objectives I was able to find time to do a bit of exploring and then put it down. I managed to fit over 100 hours over several months while playing other games.

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