Topic: Metal Gear Solid V OT

@themcnoisy Yup. And knowing the story and background of Big Boss and having played the other games really enhances the ending, of course. Perhaps those who are critical of the ending were not students of the franchise, which you really need to be to get the full effect.

@Kidfried Good to know.
I would echo that even as much as I like the MGSV (definitely in my top 10 this gen) the same praise cannot be said of The Phantom Pain. When you get to chapter 2, you may be put off by the missions, as many have mentioned. The narrative really needed to be advanced in a more efficient manner, but the gameplay is so blasted fun imo that I was not bothered by it.

@Kidfried @Th3solution strangely I started witcher 3 whilst playing mgs pp, fallout 4 and lego marvel 1 and was immediately put off by open world fatigue, I got maybe 2 hours and sold it shortly after and never even got a trophy. I think with the big open world games you need to be in the right frame of mind. I loved watchdogs 1, sleeping dogs, horizon now, fallout 3 and mgs pp but they were front and centre of my gaming time. If you go in half hearted it will always be a worse experience.

@Kidfried thats the end of chapter 1 isnt it? (I cant recall tbh)

If your at chapter 2 skip all the 'hard' versions of levels and stick to the new ones.

Otherwise I cant remember and have forgotten. I was sure there was 50 though but I could be mistaken.

@Kidfried No ... it’s not what I would consider the true ending. That would be chapter 46, I think it is. This is where you get into the post game grind that many complain about I think. It’s been a while since I played the game so forgive me but I think this is where you play some missions leading up to the true ending and it involves repetition and may put you off. I didn’t mind, because I enjoyed the gameplay so much, but I really liked the true ending if you can get there. Also I think it’s chapter 45 is an optional ending for Quiet which I quite enjoyed and so I would recommend trying to complete that first if you enjoy her character. But that also takes going through quite a few prerequisites. Sorry, bro, but there’s more to do if you want the full experience.

I stopped at 31

@Kidfried Well I played for around 120 hours and I didn't feel like the story was interesting enough to play the remaining chapters. Parts of it were okay, but in the story department it was a far cry from the previous games. I really enjoyed the gameplay though but that was enough time spent!

His code name should have been Sleepy Snake. I loved David Hayter as much as the next MGS fan but I was positive that Keither Sutherland was going to put in a good performance as Big Boss. But having playing the game it's like he spent 3 hours in the studio recording. It's all Miller.

@Kidfried Once the credits have run their course it will all become clear.

@kyleforrester87 Keither Sutherland was going to put in a good performance as Big Boss.

Yeah thats a thing.

But you havent finished the game.

So errr I cant spoil it for you.

@themcnoisy I've always been keen to find out what happens at the end, I'll probably give it a watch on you tube soon.

@Kidfried There are literal exact repeat missions in the game 2nd chapter that are just “Extreme” or “Substinence” or “Stealth” versions of the original mission - the only variance being increased difficulty. However, some of the missions are unique, and I can’t remember if the Extreme missions are required to get to Ch 46. I played every single mission, 1-50. So I can’t remember which were skippable to still make it to the true ending.

@Th3solution they are not mandatory. You only need to run the fresh missions.

Im gonna check if my save file is still on the cloud. I may have to rerun the whole game early next year.

@themcnoisy Yeah, I think I purposefully played all missions before doing the true ending one just so it would feel like closure at the end. I’m not usually one to play a lot of post game stuff after there is a conclusive final ending, so I got them all done first, as I recall.

@Kidfried Awesome! Congratulations! So regarding the true ending, what did you think?
I’m having trouble getting the spoiler tags to work, which is weird. So I’ll just be vague ... did you see it coming, the true ending? Did you feel closure? Did you like how it relates and links into the Metal Gear Universe?

@Kidfried I agree with your assessment, although unlike you I didn’t see the end coming at all. But yes, all the deeper meaning stuff you mention was all very well appreciated by me as well.
As far as base building, I could see people thinking it’s kind of a grind, but I found it enjoyable nonetheless. It added a different dimension to the gameplay. Filling up the base with my soldiers was fun to me.
My biggest complaint, which I think I’ve mentioned, is the long loading screens when moving from area to area, even within Mother Base from one end to the other, with the helicopter rides. That got old quick.

@Kidfried Ha, ha! Yes, I’m with you, man. All valid points.
Even as long as it’s been since I played it after launch, I enjoy talking about the experience too. Not a perfect game, but a really good one. One of my favorites this gen.

@Kidfried great stuff and well done. The microbs werent properley realised when i played mgs pp, there wasnt an option to double down on exp or resources etc. The multiplayer was only just out i think by the time I was on my way to finishing the game.

It's a great game and im glad you and @Th3solution have commented alot of sense. I think we all admit the story is choppy at times and the game needs some serious fat trimming from its bloated obese carcass, yet taken with all its faults its one of a handful of games which has been truly next gen. Horizon is the only other open world game on ps4 in the same league for me.

For kojimas next game if it follows a similar template I want less unclimable mountains, stupidly long on foot journeys and less management sim.

I also love the fact the game is about language and the fact snake rarely talks. It all makes sense in the end.

@KratosMD I would 100% play mgs 3. Its ace. The story line is great, the cast are great, 2 bosses are best in class (the end and the sorrow) Ive also noticed loads of easter eggs that are not listed anywhere online. Certain scenarios and mission points mirror locations looks from mgs 3.

However I really struggled to enjoy it on vita, the missing triggers really make the game hard work.

If you stick with it for long you could probably work it out especially as you wouldnt know the difference.

@KratosMD You may have seen this online but thought I’d share just in case —

The order of the Metal Gear Solid Series timeline is as follows:

1964: Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
1970: Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops
1974: Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker
1975: Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes
1984: Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain
1995: Metal Gear
1999: Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake
2005: Metal Gear Solid
2007 - 2009: Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
2014: Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
2016 - 2018: Metal Gear Rising: Revengance

Personally, I had played MGS4 and Peace Walker prior to MGSV (never played Rising), but I don’t think it’s essential. Peace Walker does relate directly, both story-wise and gameplay wise. Peace Walker is a good game, better than Portable Ops imo. But honestly, it had been long enough since I played PW that I didn’t really remember much of the story when I played GZ and it quickly brought up incidents and characters from PW which reminded me sort of, but the MG stories are so confusing anyways, but yes, PW’s story is pretty important. So I guess my answer is don’t worry about MGS4 for now (I would recommend to play it later though), and play PW before 5 if it interests you or if you have it in your backlog. If you aren’t interested (ie plan to never play PW) then read a summary of the story online then play GZ, followed by TPP. As you probably know, GZ is essential to TPP, so don’t skip it.

@KratosMD - I just read @themcnoisy response and I didn’t realize you havent finished 3 yet either. Definitely 3 is worth a play, mostly because it is probably the best Metal Gear game.