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jaemohyun0618

I have a PS5 connected to LG Electronics' 55UN73 TV. The TV itself is quite fine; it doesn't have a VRR, but has ALLM, 4K Active HDR, as well as a total refresh rate of 60 hz, so it has no trouble delivering 4K 60FPS. However, lately I've been wanting to maximize the PS5's capability as much as possible. Which means I am considering getting a new TV. A TV that supports 4K 120FPS, ALLM, and VRR. At the same time, I do not wish to spend too much money on it. What are some of the best value TVs for PS5?

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nomither6

does it have to be a TV? monitors are really good , gaming monitors specifically

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@NeonPizza
Thanks for the reply. But aside from Samsung S90C and S95C, aren't LG TVs like C2 OLED and C3 OLED good as well?

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BAMozzy

OLED TV's don't tend to have 'motion' Blur because of their instantaneous response which can lead to a more 'stuttery' look at 'low' frame rates because the 'image' instantly jumps as each new frame is produced.

You get Motion blur with LEDs because they have a comparatively 'slow' pixel response which leads to the motion 'blur'. It depends on what you are 'used' to but the incredible pixel response time doesn't lead to 'motion' blur which LEDs have because that 'blur' is caused by the pixel taking longer to switch colours - which leads to 'blur' in motion. OLEDs switch in less than 1ms - more like 1-2 ten-thousandths of a second compared to 8 (or more) with LCD displays. That's why 'monitors' tend to give 'pixel response' times rather than 'input lag/latency' details as its more important when scrolling through 'text' to remain as sharp as possible on a computer screen.

The C2 is arguably the 'best' all round TV on the market right now and an 'excellent' gaming TV that also supports Dolby Vision - unlike Samsung TV's. However, OLEDs are more susceptible to burn-in/image retention which is 'almost' an inevitability 'long term' but really does depend on usage. There isn't a 'right' answer for everyone as people have different needs, different environments etc. But the 'best' TV in 'general' is the LG 'C' series based on cost, PQ and 'all round' use. There are TV's that may have 'better' 24fps motion processing, better audio etc so its more about picking the 'best' for you based on budget, usage and/or whether its 'weaknesses' (compared to other models) is a big issue for you or not - take Audio for example, it may not matter the built-in speakers are not the best if you use an external Audio solution or that the motion processing is decent enough that you don't see the need to spend more on a different brand/model with maybe worse gaming lag...

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@jaemohyun0618 I posted some of these comments over on another thread about TV’s, but I can speak to the LG C2 which I invested in recently. I was upgrading from a Samsung QLED Q60. I loved my Samsung and that TV gave many hours of enjoyment over the last 4-5 years. It still works fine and will be a secondary TV now. I’ve had my LG C2 for a couple months and it’s just so beautiful. It took some getting used to with the deeper pure blacks, but depending on the content I’m watching sometimes I just sit there with my mouth agape in awe at how gorgeous the picture looks. As for gaming, it’s been likewise fantastic and I really, really like the LG gaming mode you can put the TV into when your playing. In that mode it doesn’t just optimize the response and lag, you can also pull up a mini menu anytime you’re playing to quickly assess if you’re in VRR mode, what’s your FPS, and utilize some sliders to fine tune the HDR, brightness, etc. so while I was playing the other day a dark cave was tough to see details and I just pulled up the TV mini game mode menu and cranked a setting they helps sharpen and illuminate dark areas better and it helped a lot. My Samsung had a gaming mode too, but it didn’t seem to do much outside of maybe decreasing input lag and response and just changed some presets in the visuals.

I am not really sensitive to motion blur and frame rate but I think I can tell like BAM was saying that maybe it’s a tiny bit choppy on lower frame rates due to the much quicker pixel response. But as the generation progresses, there isn’t going to be many games stuck at 30 fps in the next few years. 60 fps is the standard and 120 should hopefully become more common as well.

When I looked, the C3 didn’t add much to what the C2 already did, and was significantly more expensive. Same with the G2. (This according to ratings.com and others) It just seemed to me the biggest bang for the buck was the older C2 model, which has dropped some in price now.

As far as image retention/‘burn in’, my TV is new so I have no problems, but after several years it could be an issue if you have the same static images in there for an unreasonable amount of time but the TV has backup systems to “clean” the pixels from that happening. So I’m told that even with heavy use with gaming and movies that people don’t usually have issues.

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@NeonPizza That's incorrect - the Sample and Hold as well as instantaneous pixel response can lead to 'persistence' of image in YOUR eyes which then leads to 'blur'. Like staring a light bulb and then seeing that 'light' for a few moments after looking away. The TV however is NOT blurry at all because it instantaneously 'jumps' to the next frame, no fading of the last frame etc.

CRT's only drew a single 'line' of the image and you 'never' see the whole frame at once. That line is moving so fast that you can't see it, but nothing 'persists' on screen 'long' enough and essentially acts like BFI where you may only see a 'part' of the frame every 0.1ms with the rest being 'black' so it doesn't 'persist' on screen as a 'whole' image for the duration of a Frame.

That's why 'some' have issue with OLEDs - their eyes are more sensitive to 'image retention' so that is persisting in their eyes after the TV has already switched to a new frame - you have that old frame 'persisting' in your head and looking at a 'new' clean frame on the TV - why BFI works to break up that 'persistence'. Also with 'slower' frame rates, it can look juddery because the frame 'jumps' instantly to the 'next', there is no 'blur' or 'fade' in/out as 'pixels' respond instantly. That makes them amazing at high frame rates as you get NO motion blur, crisp clean 'motion'.

As I said, not every TV is right for everyone. Each has their strengths/weaknesses and that also depends on the 'person'. Some hate the blur on LEDs in motion as 'detail' is blurry and objects leave trails. Some find the blooming and/or Dirty Screen Effect too distracting and don't find OLEDs an issue in motion at all without using BFI because the Sample & hold nature of these doesn't 'persist' long enough for them to 'retain' that image in their eyes/head.

I'm no spring chicken - at 51, I can remember when B&W CRT's TV's were 'common' so I know the difference between each and what that means. An OLED presents every frame 'perfectly' from the moment it switches to it, until the next frame, LEDs don't - they 'fade' in the new frame as the old frame 'fades' out due to slower pixel response times which leads to 'blur'. CRT's never show the whole image for the whole duration of a frame, they only show a 'line' at a time with the 'rest' black - like BFI.

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