When the PS4 launched the controllers were notorious for having issues where the rubber would wear off and peel from the sticks. This new material appears to be vastly improved even over the current iteration of Dualshock 4 sticks and as such is reported. I get that you're antsy and desperate to see more significant news, but it's not a valid reason to spout off like a temper tantrum brat just because you have nothing better going on in your life. There are ways you can express your opinion while also coming across as an adult. It's an article about a controller. Relax buddy.
@Haywire "every argument you make for PS4 compatibility, holds up for the entire catalog."
Ideally everyone would want BC for all Playstation games. Here is the problem.
1. Sony enjoys reselling PS1 and PS2 games on their store. 2. If Sony added BC for PS1 and PS2, it would be through emulation which is flawed 3. PS3 BC would be way too difficult to implement.
PS4 BC should be extremely easy to the point of being native to the PS5. PS1, PS2, and PS3 BC would either be through emulation or be a costly and difficult process to implement through native compatibility.
You asked why PS4 BC was so important. I answered why. It's important because it should be a simple and native process. PS1, 2, and 3 are less important, because it would not be a simple and native process.
@GADG3Tx87 Nothing has been insinuated. They literally said the 100 most played games will be BC.
And did I actually say that MS implemented full bc for all Xbox consoles? I mentioned that people are upset about the lack of proper PS4 BC because MS are implementing full BC. Of the Xbox One... Even XB1 controllers are compatible....
Again, you are defending a company for giving you less features. Every single time you reply to me I'll point this out because it gets more absurd with each comment.
@GADG3Tx87 I literally just told you that your anecdotal experiences dont change well established facts about electronics. Do you know what anecdotal means? It means you're own personal, individual experiences do not factually tell the entire story. List as many disc based consoles as you want, then google whether or not disc based systems are more prone to fail. Enjoy the facts you'll be presented.
"You just want to set a narrative." You are the one defending a company giving you less. Figure that one out buddy.
@Haywire It's important because the PS4 and PS5 should share the same architecture meaning that PS4 games should natively play on the PS5. The PS3 for example, had a very difficult and complicated architecture to work with, as a result people understand that PS3 BC is unrealistic. PS4 BC should be so simple though which is why people are upset. People are also upset since Microsoft are implementing full BC. There is no reason for Sony not to as well other than incompetence or greed. Considering how many incompetent decisions Sony has made, (PS3 architecture, Vita Memory cards, PS4 being severely underpowered but still falsely advertised as a "4k" console), it may very well be incompetence.
1. As I already eluded to, as a console user you have conditioned into thinking it isn't a necessity through generations of it being normalized. As a PC gamer, I find it absurd especially when the PS4 architecture has become so close to PC. This isn't a case of a bizarre and complicated system like the PS3 where backwards compatibility is hugely difficult. PS4 to PS5 backwards compatibility should be very simple and native due to the architecture. For past generations, it's subjective as to whether or not BC was a necessity. The problem is that going form PS4 to PS5, it IS a necessity due to how simple it should be. Thats is why most people are upset. Because of how easy it should be, this makes it a necessity. Either Sony doesn't know what they're doing, or they want to save money.
2. "If you look after stuff then you don't need to worry about finding a replacement."
I cannot believe you just typed this out. Modern consoles have so many moving parts and disc based systems are prone to fail. This is a fact. A PS2 for example is FAR more likely to malfunction than an NES. Malfunctions are a regular and expected part of technology and it doesn't matter how well you take care of something. Things can and will fail no matter how well you baby them. You anecdotal experience doesn't change the fact that electronic malfunctions are plentiful and greatly increase over time.
3. Emulation has so many issues and requires so much effort and time to even be viable. This is such an odd counter to even bring up.
You are grasping at straws in an attempt to justify a company purposely excluding features in it's new product. Actually take a step back and let that digest. You are trying to find as many excuses and justifications as you can for Sony not including a much wanted feature in it's new console. I don't want to accuse you of being a fanboy, but to actually defend and try to justify you getting less in the way that you are makes one think.
@GADG3Tx87 "It would be nice but you could just... Keep the old hardware? That's not crazy right?"
Revisit this comment years from now when the PS4 consoles are discontinued, your PS4 dies, and you have trouble finding a quality unit that isn't nearly worn out from being played so much. I don't understand how the need for Backwards Compatibility is so difficult to understand. It's about future proofing our purchases.
It's amazing how some of you have been so conditioned by console manufacturers to willingly accept less. Don't care about playing old games? Good for you. That doesn't change the fact that it's a simple and basic necessity at this point with the direction console architecture has gone.
The fact that Sony hasn't cleared this up is proof that they literally meant it how they said it. So many people are still shilling with "Sony is being misunderstood" or "Sony just worded it poorly" and "all PS4 games will be playable they meant that only 100 will be boosted by the PS5 power at first!!!!!!"
If any of those were the case, then they would have cleared it up by now. In the midst of criticism and negative headlines regarding this, their silence is damning proof.
@tatsumi What you say is true for much older "legacy" games but not so much for the modern games of recent generations which don't face those problems and can take advantage of the PC power.
Backwards compatibility is only a luxury because console makers chose that fate for it. Sony chose to abandon backwards compatibility (reselling old games for new consoles is one reason why. Something Nintendo loves as well) and as a result have far less experience in that field then Microsoft. Their choices have put us in this position where we need to view 100 compatible PS4 as a "luxury".
@tatsumi Are you are aware that PC is fully backwards compatible with 1000s of games through many decades and can still reach framerates and resolutions for modern games that blow the console equivalents out of the water? I'm not saying this to brag about PC. I'm saying this because I'm beyond disappointed in Sony's negligence and incompetence when it comes to console design.
Bottlenecking and compatibility should not even be in this discussion at this point. It shows shows how far behind consoles and especially Sony are when it comes to designing tech that is compatible with previous generations. First the PS3, now this. It's a joke at this point. Full native Backwards compatibility should be a basic necessity for all consoles moving forward. The bad tech doesn't end there though. Even the PS4 Pro was an underpowred joke since it's marketed as a 4k machine but outputs many games to 2k or lower with the hope that average consumers won't notice the lesser resolution on a 4k tv.
Designing the PS5 around new tech that isn't native backwards compatible with the PS4 is the first mistake. It's pure incompetence. As the PS4 architecture has come much closer to a PC then any previous generation, everybody expected that the PS5 would have full native compatibility since it would share the same architecture. Sony messed this up just liked they messed up the PS3, the Vita, and the Pro. They have the games, but not the tech.
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Re: PS5's DualSense Controller Has Vastly Improved Analogue Sticks
@DonJorginho
When the PS4 launched the controllers were notorious for having issues where the rubber would wear off and peel from the sticks. This new material appears to be vastly improved even over the current iteration of Dualshock 4 sticks and as such is reported. I get that you're antsy and desperate to see more significant news, but it's not a valid reason to spout off like a temper tantrum brat just because you have nothing better going on in your life. There are ways you can express your opinion while also coming across as an adult. It's an article about a controller. Relax buddy.
Re: PS5 Backwards Compatibility Will Play Overwhelming Majority of All PS4 Games, Improved Framerates and Higher Resolutions
This should have been stated from the beginning. Sony really needs to work on their delivery as the communication for the PS5 has been terrible.
Re: Sony's Poor PS5 Backwards Compatibility Clarity Prompts Damning Headlines
@Haywire "every argument you make for PS4 compatibility, holds up for the entire catalog."
Ideally everyone would want BC for all Playstation games. Here is the problem.
1. Sony enjoys reselling PS1 and PS2 games on their store.
2. If Sony added BC for PS1 and PS2, it would be through emulation which is flawed
3. PS3 BC would be way too difficult to implement.
PS4 BC should be extremely easy to the point of being native to the PS5. PS1, PS2, and PS3 BC would either be through emulation or be a costly and difficult process to implement through native compatibility.
You asked why PS4 BC was so important. I answered why. It's important because it should be a simple and native process. PS1, 2, and 3 are less important, because it would not be a simple and native process.
Re: Sony's Poor PS5 Backwards Compatibility Clarity Prompts Damning Headlines
@GADG3Tx87 Nothing has been insinuated. They literally said the 100 most played games will be BC.
And did I actually say that MS implemented full bc for all Xbox consoles? I mentioned that people are upset about the lack of proper PS4 BC because MS are implementing full BC. Of the Xbox One... Even XB1 controllers are compatible....
Again, you are defending a company for giving you less features. Every single time you reply to me I'll point this out because it gets more absurd with each comment.
Re: Sony's Poor PS5 Backwards Compatibility Clarity Prompts Damning Headlines
@GADG3Tx87 I literally just told you that your anecdotal experiences dont change well established facts about electronics. Do you know what anecdotal means? It means you're own personal, individual experiences do not factually tell the entire story. List as many disc based consoles as you want, then google whether or not disc based systems are more prone to fail. Enjoy the facts you'll be presented.
"You just want to set a narrative."
You are the one defending a company giving you less. Figure that one out buddy.
Re: Sony's Poor PS5 Backwards Compatibility Clarity Prompts Damning Headlines
@Haywire It's important because the PS4 and PS5 should share the same architecture meaning that PS4 games should natively play on the PS5. The PS3 for example, had a very difficult and complicated architecture to work with, as a result people understand that PS3 BC is unrealistic. PS4 BC should be so simple though which is why people are upset. People are also upset since Microsoft are implementing full BC. There is no reason for Sony not to as well other than incompetence or greed. Considering how many incompetent decisions Sony has made, (PS3 architecture, Vita Memory cards, PS4 being severely underpowered but still falsely advertised as a "4k" console), it may very well be incompetence.
Re: Sony's Poor PS5 Backwards Compatibility Clarity Prompts Damning Headlines
@GADG3Tx87 Oh here we go.....
1. As I already eluded to, as a console user you have conditioned into thinking it isn't a necessity through generations of it being normalized. As a PC gamer, I find it absurd especially when the PS4 architecture has become so close to PC. This isn't a case of a bizarre and complicated system like the PS3 where backwards compatibility is hugely difficult. PS4 to PS5 backwards compatibility should be very simple and native due to the architecture. For past generations, it's subjective as to whether or not BC was a necessity. The problem is that going form PS4 to PS5, it IS a necessity due to how simple it should be. Thats is why most people are upset. Because of how easy it should be, this makes it a necessity. Either Sony doesn't know what they're doing, or they want to save money.
2. "If you look after stuff then you don't need to worry about finding a replacement."
I cannot believe you just typed this out. Modern consoles have so many moving parts and disc based systems are prone to fail. This is a fact. A PS2 for example is FAR more likely to malfunction than an NES. Malfunctions are a regular and expected part of technology and it doesn't matter how well you take care of something. Things can and will fail no matter how well you baby them. You anecdotal experience doesn't change the fact that electronic malfunctions are plentiful and greatly increase over time.
3. Emulation has so many issues and requires so much effort and time to even be viable. This is such an odd counter to even bring up.
You are grasping at straws in an attempt to justify a company purposely excluding features in it's new product. Actually take a step back and let that digest. You are trying to find as many excuses and justifications as you can for Sony not including a much wanted feature in it's new console. I don't want to accuse you of being a fanboy, but to actually defend and try to justify you getting less in the way that you are makes one think.
Re: Sony's Poor PS5 Backwards Compatibility Clarity Prompts Damning Headlines
@GADG3Tx87 "It would be nice but you could just... Keep the old hardware? That's not crazy right?"
Revisit this comment years from now when the PS4 consoles are discontinued, your PS4 dies, and you have trouble finding a quality unit that isn't nearly worn out from being played so much. I don't understand how the need for Backwards Compatibility is so difficult to understand. It's about future proofing our purchases.
It's amazing how some of you have been so conditioned by console manufacturers to willingly accept less. Don't care about playing old games? Good for you. That doesn't change the fact that it's a simple and basic necessity at this point with the direction console architecture has gone.
Re: Sony's Poor PS5 Backwards Compatibility Clarity Prompts Damning Headlines
The fact that Sony hasn't cleared this up is proof that they literally meant it how they said it. So many people are still shilling with "Sony is being misunderstood" or "Sony just worded it poorly" and "all PS4 games will be playable they meant that only 100 will be boosted by the PS5 power at first!!!!!!"
If any of those were the case, then they would have cleared it up by now. In the midst of criticism and negative headlines regarding this, their silence is damning proof.
Re: PS5's Backwards Compatibility with PS4 Has Fans Baffled
@tatsumi What you say is true for much older "legacy" games but not so much for the modern games of recent generations which don't face those problems and can take advantage of the PC power.
Backwards compatibility is only a luxury because console makers chose that fate for it. Sony chose to abandon backwards compatibility (reselling old games for new consoles is one reason why. Something Nintendo loves as well) and as a result have far less experience in that field then Microsoft. Their choices have put us in this position where we need to view 100 compatible PS4 as a "luxury".
Re: PS5's Backwards Compatibility with PS4 Has Fans Baffled
@tatsumi Are you are aware that PC is fully backwards compatible with 1000s of games through many decades and can still reach framerates and resolutions for modern games that blow the console equivalents out of the water? I'm not saying this to brag about PC. I'm saying this because I'm beyond disappointed in Sony's negligence and incompetence when it comes to console design.
Bottlenecking and compatibility should not even be in this discussion at this point. It shows shows how far behind consoles and especially Sony are when it comes to designing tech that is compatible with previous generations. First the PS3, now this. It's a joke at this point. Full native Backwards compatibility should be a basic necessity for all consoles moving forward. The bad tech doesn't end there though. Even the PS4 Pro was an underpowred joke since it's marketed as a 4k machine but outputs many games to 2k or lower with the hope that average consumers won't notice the lesser resolution on a 4k tv.
Designing the PS5 around new tech that isn't native backwards compatible with the PS4 is the first mistake. It's pure incompetence. As the PS4 architecture has come much closer to a PC then any previous generation, everybody expected that the PS5 would have full native compatibility since it would share the same architecture. Sony messed this up just liked they messed up the PS3, the Vita, and the Pro. They have the games, but not the tech.