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@Hyena_socks BG3 escaped the woke backlash because it wasn't woke. In fact the CEO of Larian was so based that he advised developers to not let politics influence their games during the game awards. We need more people like him in the industry. Better games AND less layoffs.

At least they are working on a new Batman game

@Hoodie718 I am glad that you enjoyed it. Most people didn't. The market has spoken. I sincerely hope that ME5 will be a good game for many, but that depends on the upper management of Bioware and the decisions they make going forward. If they double down.. You know what they say about the definition of insanity.

@wildcat_kickz I also explained why I didn't like the game. I knew that you weren't reading my posts!

Why would I care about the future of a studio that makes bad games? 3 in a row. I feel bad for EA because Bioware is bleeding money and they will get a lot of bad PR if they shut them down.

@naruball When you said that not all good games succeed I thought that you meant that not all games have good marketing. I suppose that the genre matter a lot also. Can't expect an indie game made with RPG maker to sell all that well regardless of reviews.

@wildcat_kickz I disagree. I don't think that you read my posts and reached this conclusion. You simply chose to remain closed minded instead.

@Hoodie718 You have to admit that censorship is annoying. Only old people who will never play games get upset over stuff like that. That should be a bipartisan issue for all gamers.

@MikeOrator A game like Horizon really needs to drop away from other big releases. People are getting sick of the Ubisoft formula so they will choose something else if given the choice.

@Hoodie718 Boycotting bad games is a lot easier than getting a lot of people buy bad games. That's why our side is winning.

@naruball The problem wasn't the amount of marketing. The problem was the content of the marketing. And the game itself.

@Hoodie718 Yes, it will get removed because this is not the right place for it. And it's too long. It's proven to be true many times over tho.

It actually did play a major part. The quality of the products dropped too much.

@wildcat_kickz Keep in mind that the art director of Avowed publicly admitted that he wants to hire black people to work on games. No mention of skill or experience. Just skin color. There are real victims in all of this.

@naruball A game having good marketing is a given. Just how hard is it to make a trailer and then send it to IGN, Steam, Sony etc

@wildcat_kickz I think that you don't quite get what's actually happening in the culture wars. We have no power to stop these companies from doing whatever they want or regular consumers from consuming what they want. Consumers stopped consuming bad products on their own because they can only get burned by studios butchering movies, tv shows and games so much before they start rejecting it. And what do they do to pass the time instead? Go online and watch YT or listen to podcasts. I actually think that this is the main reason the youth has shifted to the right.

And people will get fired because their products no longer sell.

This reminds me that Crysis 4 got announced, but there is not even a page on Crytek's site about it. Guess that the project never got off the ground. And Bioshock 4 seems to be in dev hell.

@wildcat_kickz The problem is that they didn't simply fail to make a game that appealed to gamers. They got rid of their experienced staff and completely butchered the lore of their franchises. If you spend some time researching the state of the gaming industry or Hollywood you will realize that vocal haters are not merely complaining that they didn't like a product. We are complaining about the way these studios operate because they are in a bubble and instead of listening to criticisms they double down and attack their fans. DATV was directed by a person who directed Sims. EA has enough money to hire an experienced RPG director, but they didn't. Just like Amazon could have hired experienced people to work on Rings Of Power, but they didn't. I'll leave it at that.

I have a feeling that when people asked for a remaster of these games they actually meant a remake, but didn't know it yet.

@lazarus11 A game that revolutionized the RPG genre in 2011 gets a pass. You can't compare it to DATV in any way. Unless you are comparing the active player counts on Steam to laugh at modern Bioware lol.

@lazarus11 I thought that the gameplay was just fine. Felt like a much less impactful God Of War 2018. And almost every reviewer mentioned that there is no variety later on.

To be honest with you I don't buy a lot of modern games because as you said most have bad writing. It's almost as if this is the reason there is a video game crash. BG3 did well. Elden Ring did well. Just sayin. No crash for studios that make good games.

I wonder if ND will manage to make their next game as polished as TLOU2 if it's larger and more open? Something like that without crunch must take a decade to develop.

@lazarus11 I played the game for about 6 hours and returned it. The writing is just lame. If you disagree then you are in the minority. The low sales and player numbers speak for themselves.

@Hoodie718 But they don't want the game to fail. They think that they are doing the right thing because they are in a bubble. And reality then hits them in the face. If you have been paying attention to movies tv shows and games you know that a lot of those projects flop.

Yes, articulating it all here is not productive because this is not even a post about the game. It will get deleted lol. Keep in mind that the problems with the game have nothing to do with the premise or the inclusion. It's the execution. BG3 won over even the biggest doubters because Larian turned out to be the best developer currently active. DATV couldn't do that because Bioware are a shell of their former selves. The director used to work on the Sims...

@JohntheRaptor Yes, I think that the development started around the time Marvel got popular and they thought that everyone who went to see those movies will enjoy the game as well. That's the major flaw when your dev cycle is 10 years long.

@pyrrhic_victory That would probably delay Cyberpunk 2 by 6 months

@LordAinsley 1. When someone replies to me of course I will respond. You will probably respond to my post as well.

2. We haven't discussed at least 80% of the talking points about this game because this forum is not the right place for it. So yes. I didn't get into it.

@ChrisDeku Good products need praise just like bad products need criticism. Can't have one without the other.

@Hoodie718 It's funny you say that because a lot of the vocal 'haters' of this game feel that many game developers are trying to gatekeep us out of this hobby by making awful sequels to our favorite franchises on purpose. Just like Hollywood.

You could say that there are 2 sides to every conflict. This time the 'haters' won.

@Hoodie718 You seem very misinformed. Most of the people who made Bioware a great studio are long gone. The director of Veilguard used to work on the sims. Don't feel bad for them. They are just suffering the consequences of their actions. Unless the next ME is great they are done. I guess that they got lucky that the ME LE didn't disappoint financially.

@Hoodie718 Dragon Age Origins vs Veilguard is the perfect example of how to do inclusion correctly vs incorrectly. Origins still had racism, slavery and morally grey main characters and didn't shy away from making a realistic game set in medieval times. Nowadays you can't have both due to toxic positivity.

Just because the game is not dead on arrival doesn't mean that it didn't bomb. It's far below the top just a month after launch on PS and big RPGs from Skyrim to KGD to BG3 have more players daily than it on Steam.

Yikes.

@lazarus11 Veilguard is the furthest thing from great to many. That's why it flopped despite taking over 8 years to be developed. Ouch.

People hate this game for very justifiable reasons. You might disagree, but pretending that the launch went smoothly will not fix the issues.

@Hoodie718 I am not going to get into it on this forum as comments get removed, but this developer is in many ways against gamers. Also, the game's writing is abysmal and it removes all of the grit and intrigue of the past games.

Maybe they decided to do a second expansion and a mp mode after all?

Nice to see the Veilguard far away from the top. I was worried that a lot of people who enjoyed the franchise a decade ago would have been fooled into buying it.

@Max_the_German There are way too many games to play already. Can't just do the bare minimum and expect people to care. You need to make a good product and market it correctly over months and release it when there isn't too much competition.

@JustCameHereToSay Porting games nowadays is very easy. Even if the game doesn't sell a million copies day1 they will make a profit eventually. PS consoles keep releasing, but Steam has been the same since day1. People will be buying games from there in 20 years.

@Max_the_German To be fair that would require hiring people to almost completely remake old games made for different tech. The juice isn't worth the squeeze. Especially considering how people are already complaining that their output has diminished. Everything costs time and money.

I just hope that Sony VR games will get ported to PC eventually. Everything is better at higher frame rate and resolution.

This is actually an interesting year because there was no Elden Ring or Baldur's Gate 3 to embarrass the rest of the industry. The nominations are all of similar quality.

@ATaco Exactly. Those ideas are just marketing and a month ago people decided that this marketing strategy is over.

@Loamy Until everyone starts blaming extremists on both sides this conflict will keep raging.

@DennisReynolds I am sure that for him the game is garbage because he has no interest in playing it. The problem is that he uses inflammatory words instead of saying 'I am not interested in x'.

Don't forget that people have had the mental faculty to recognize that a fire will burn them even if they didn't put their hand in it first for thousands of years.

@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare I don't think that copying is a real problem. If it was people would have boycotted most racing, sports, fps and Ubisoft style games not made by them like HZD.

The reason Concord's studio got shut down was because there was no hype about the product. NMS, Fallout 76 and Cyberpunk had a lot of hype so even if they became worth playing a year after launch people will show up. Concord came out of nowhere and it quite frankly didn't do anything right. There is no way to justify keeping that studio alive. And there is no way to justify keeping that Sony CEO in charge after his contract comes to an end lmao. Talk about out of touch.