Sony is underfire for insinuating in patents that it makes superior products to its rivals. While it shouldn’t be particularly surprising for a giant corporation to back its own output, boilerplate terminology discovered in a slew of PlayStation applications has sent the Internet into a frenzy on this otherwise tame Easter weekend.
The story started a few days ago, when GameRant discovered pretty standard documentation for a universal controller-like device, in which it referred to rival “home entertainment systems” from “different albeit inferior manufacturers”. The paper doesn’t specifically mention any other platform holders by name, but it acknowledges consoles like the PS4 and PS3 earlier in the sentence, so it’s probably safe to assume who it’s aimed at.
This sent patent expert Florian Mueller into a furore, where he pointed out in a strongly worded blog that this is far from the first time the Japanese company has used the terminology, and described it as “childish”, “unprofessional”, and even “stupid”. It should be noted that Mueller, in his blog’s biography, lists Microsoft as a client, although we’ll allow you to determine whether that’s relevant to the story or not.
“It’s amazing that no one has discovered this ‘tradition’ before, and that no patent office told them a long time ago to stop doing that once and for all,” he said of the wording. “Patent applications are not meant to be propaganda instruments for console warriors.”
In the frankly unbelievable blog post, Mueller goes on to outline the correct etiquette for patent applications, suggesting that it’s acceptable for organisations to discuss why their inventions may be superior to other products, but “calling competitors generally ‘inferior’ is gratuitous, stupid, childish, and unprofessional”.
He adds: “This is not attributable to pride in inventorship. It’s just insane. If a small company went to the same patent attorneys and wanted them to file patent specifications that contain such an outrageous passage, most patent attorneys would decline to attach their names to it. If Sony wants to engage in comparative advertising, it can do so elsewhere. Gamers are not going to make purchasing decisions based on the language Sony uses in its patent applications.”
Personally, we think this may go down as the biggest storm in a teacup in video game history – and there’s been no shortage of stupidity over the years. While we’d generally agree that the specific wording here seems somewhat unnecessary, we’re struggling to grapple with the absolutely absurd overreactions on some forums and social media.
Is it also problematic that PlayStation describes its platforms as the “best place to play” – or is this simply billion dollar corporations painting themselves and their products in the best possible light?
Microsoft scrambling to spin this as evidence for the ABK merger be like:
Not only has MS listed as a client but also ABK and this is the same dude that was tracking Sony's airplanes, so yeah.....
Not really sure what that sort of language is doing in a patent application but also nothing to get your pants in a knot about.
It does possibly speak to an arrogance in the culture of that company or perhaps just a deranged fanboy in their patent team...
MSN farted this at me earlier today when I was doing my rewards routine, somehow it wasn’t the stupidest thing that MSN farted at me today.
Man gaming news is gone to *****
There are kids going hungry in the world, people dying from warfare, and so many other awful things. Try to have a bit more perspective, Mr Strongly Worded Patent Complainer.
@Constable_What Lol was thinking the exact same thing, this Mueller guy probably started this whole farce on social media for that exact reason, especially since Microsoft and ABK are clients of his 🤔
Seems like a sulky rant rather than a professional opinion.
maybe just dont give it time of day? every company says they have the best product publicly
@Athrum Tracking Sony's planes? Ok any credibility this guy had has just gone out the window.
@UltimateOtaku91 Unfortunately, yes, that was a thing that happened.
@UltimateOtaku91 @get2sammyb https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2023/02/some-fans-are-so-invested-in-xboxs-activision-acquisition-theyre-tracking-a-sony-plane If only just for the hilarious art.
The time of pc master race is over, now it's sony superior race 👻😂
Well, sony being honest is okay I guess.
I mean it's pretty funny though 😂 Nintendo and Microsoft are clearly gaming peasants.
“Patent applications are not meant to be propaganda instruments for console warriors.”
This whole thing reads like a clown thirsty for attention, or, a clown using a patent application as a propaganda instrument....
It's not surprising to see though - Parts of the internet love to hate PlayStation. MS will cash in on that. Disney tried it a few years ago too with that whole Spider-Man fiasco.
It is what it is.
@BeerIsAwesome ah yeah I remember that now, didn't know it was this same guy though.
@BeerIsAwesome I was proud of that one!
"lists Microsoft as a client" 🤣🤣🤣
@get2sammyb You sir are a genius! 😁
Y'know, if there was something wrong with the terminology used the patent wouldn't be granted, because they do like to nitpick every single word just to make sure it doesn't break another patent.
I thought a supposed "specialist" would know that.
Also, he didn't show any examples from other console manufacturers, how can we be sure Nintendo, Microsoft or other companies aren't using the same terms but with different wording?
I mean, this is funny. But anyone seriously using this for console war fodder is an idiot.
I hate the internet.
Why does pushsquare keep reposting xbox twitter talking points?
It's certainly the most dramatic place to play.
I mean for the most part, accessories from Sony are better than most brands. I'm not specifically saying Sony over Microsoft here but there is a lot of garbage coming out of China nowadays from vastly inferior companies. I recently got burnt by one of those companies on a "universal" remote. Worked alright for about a month but at 33 days it failed and that's when I found out that I wouldn't get that money back, or a working controller for that matter.
So who cares if they say inferior companies, this is a big non-issue here because in a lot of categories, Sony is considered a Premium product.
Jim ryan steady taking Ls and ruining playstation
@nomither6 Didn't know Jim Ryan writ this patent....
Remember GamePro? Ultra Game Players? EGM? Edge Magazine? Next Generation? Those were the days. Miss the snarky replies in the "Letters" section...
@BeerIsAwesome And what exactly are you doing to help?
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Sony are really pathetic at this point. Just stop being crap please.
"Mueller, in his blog’s biography, lists Microsoft as a client, although we’ll allow you to determine whether that’s relevant to the story or not."
Okay it's relevant and says it all.
Just another day at Playstation HQ, sitting at the round table sniffing each other's farts. Let's be real, They've always been quite arrogant. It was only during the PS4 era when they actually had to gain ground they sucked up they gamer's ass. Now that's done, here we are again....
Strong Tuo Long Kim from South Park vibes coming from Sony here. All other console makers are Mongolians!
"Gamers are not going to make purchasing decisions based on the language Sony uses in its patent applications"
Okay then, so who cares?
Jeez, this Mueller guy sounds like he’s probably really fun at parties.
They are inferior. They don't have knack.
This just in! Company claims it's products may be superior to competitors! More at the top of the hour.
Honestly what nonsense!🤦♂️
Sony has consistently been the most viciously competitive entity in the industry for a while now. And they're fairly transparent in this regard. So this sort of thing shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who pays attention to their messaging.
@__jamiie I keep the PushSquare team employed by adding traffic to their site. Small things. 😎
"Stupidest." I'm not sure thats even a word. Has correct grammar been kicked to the curb by journo's these days?
Ok my bad as apparantly it is a superlative adjective. I have learnt something new today folks .
Wait, didn't Activision claim the same recently?
@TrillionTears whatever attracts traffic. Literally.
@nomither6 so many L's, we should start a go fund me for him.
@__jamiie you think that's pathetic? hahahaha. Thanks for the laugh.
Nobody should be surprised at PlayStations lack of class and etiquette after the way they have behaved in the whole ms/abk deal. Has nobody been reading their submissions to the eu/cma aswell? This is hardly news anymore, its expected. It's pretty embarassing but not a surprise at all. But it doesn't really mean a great deal either, their PR has been in the bin for well over a year now
I mean the PS4 did absolutely trounce the competition last gen so some bragging rights were earned...but arrogant Sony thought everyone would pay an arm and a leg for a PSVR2 so they needed to be humbled again. It happens every other gen and it seems they got cocky again with this gen.
"Sony is underfire for insinuating that it makes superior products to its rivals"
Gen 4 Sega:
If he works with patents then this is the kind of petty nonsense that goes on all the time and while he seems like he’s over reacting to those not involved, it’s actually just part of what he and his ilk do for a living and they enjoy it. But clearly he’s coming from his biased view and this triggered him.
I’ve done contractual work for an organisation that disputes legal documents, including UN resolutions.
Even though every word is scrutinised by experts they can still make a mistake, which can lead to disputes that drag on for years. And some people get really passionate about these things while 99.99% of the population would just be like “meh”.
So this guy is clearly relishing this “mistake”. He’s in his element.
Given the incredible spin on show here, it's kind of hypocritical to accuse some blogger of being biased...
I do agree this a storm in a teacup, but only because Sony displays this kind of childish hubris on a regular basis.
Oh no like every company in the world that take shots at their rivals not surprising this is not news.
@psycho_terror do you have any evidence of pushsquare being paid off by Sony or are they attacking Microsoft in this article?
Because if not I simply fail to see the hypocrisy
@ATaco what did you exact to happen with PSVR2 exactly? To cost less and have inferior hardware? Them how would PSVR1 customers justify the upgrade? For Sony to take an even bigger loss?
I'm genuinely curious.
Arrogance for me was increasing the price of ps5 when Sony was breaking records left and right.
Florian Mueller is an already well known Microsoft propagandist.
He's known for his incessant/childish lobbying/astroturfing attempts and has been called out dozens of times for it.
He's been caught attacking Android (back when Microsoft was making their mobile push), spreading FUD and lying about Linux. It seems like MS is now paying him to constantly attack Sony judging by his actions lately.
@nomither6 Is was wondering when where going to hate on Sony this article with a nonsensical response. Jim isnt the problem with everything wrong in the world even if some people like to believe that.
@Ichiban Yeah the arrogance giving me what I want in the game department. If they announce Demon Souls 2, ICO, Legend of Dragoon remake or part 2 and then they can say whatever they want.
Microsoft, Nintendo or Sony are all the same in the end it are companies trying to get you to their ecosystem give me what I want and I'll bite.
The only terrible thing they do is their CE system not adding a physical disk with a 200 plus edition. The great thing about that is that it safes me tons of money while I wait for games to go down in price.
Hmmmm but its true. Sonys playstation division have been consistent with there products since the beginning. Even the PS3 was beyond its time when it came out.
PS5 completely revolutionising the home console with the new high speed ssd, which at the time wasn't even on the market and still under cutting the price of the closest ssd in price.
PS4, the most powerful home console there was at the cheapest price, anyone had ever seen. Coming close to beating their own record in products sold.
Ps3 first true affordable blu ray player which was actually one of the best on the market, plus the tech inside the ps3 was rivaling pc when it came out, yes the machine was a nightmare to code for but in the end out sold its competition. Plus streamlined blu ray players into homes to be the new priority way to watch media
Ps2 top notch hardware which probably pushed dvd players to the mainstream because of its very affordable price and how many they sold.
Ps1 the first truly dedicated home console with 3d graphics and games on cd, with a cd player.
I mean with that track record, there isn't much debate, they are superior.
What have Microsofts xbox actually done. Not much really in the home console space.
360 did well but they had a whole year on the ps3,
They didn't revolutionise anything and as good as a build there systems are, they are still bog standard.
The only real superior part of xbox is xbox game pass but even that is not profitable at all and will eventually hurt the games industry and the developers. Because what this will create is Microsoft giving them just a lump sum of cash and then nothing. At least with game sales they have a chance to exceed expectations and long lasting revenue from sales, long passed its release.
But all in all who actually cares, is a patent, not a press release.
Problem with todays world is ameverything is now to open.
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Sounds to me like that Mueller needs to get out of his feelings a little bit. Too much emotion about some words in a patent application. Let it go my guy, they're just words. The only person suffering here is Mueller. I'm pretty sure Microsoft don't care.......
@Bez87 I'd go so far as to say that the problem with things now is people get far too emotional about things far too easily. I mean why is this man getting offended by words and even more bizarrely they're not even about him, it's absolutely bonkers.
Man why can't everyone just go in their preferred gaming corner and be happy 😂
@FuzzieGinge88 exactly carlsberg lagers whole advertising a few years ago was we are probably the best lager in the world. All though not to bad it is far from the best I've had.
Like I said its a patent not for the eyes of the public but the public now deem every ounce of information is for them.
People are now offended way to easily.
The world has gone mad and at the same time quite boring.
Next we will all have to be in single file walking down the street and only talk when we want something at a precise time.
Maybe the guy is just sad Xbox just can't compete.
I'm just surprised that Sony seems to think that VR is the killer app that everyone wants. They keep trying to cram it down our throats so I can't believe that they think they're peddling to a niche audience, I think they really want it to become a mainstream thing but I can only ever really see it being for enthusiasts...and even then for Sony to charge that much, they've got a lot of competition in the VR space...and that's what I mean by arrogant. Sony thought they could charge into this crowded market and, because it's Sony, people will buy it over every other VR device currently out there.
@Flaming_Kaiser he is with play$tation
Everyone has an agenda it seems. Glad this guy's got called out.
Of course the internet goes nuts! It’s Sony! The bad guy in current gaming world! Microsoft and Nintendo have to use their buddy energy immediately!
Switch is and I love it. Seriously, this is a stupid story. People are way overblowing this.
As the patent below indicated what Sony mentioned about the home entertainment system
US 10 ,245,505 B2/
GENERATING CUSTOM RECORDINGS OF SKELETAL ANIMATIONS
"Users may use any number of different home entertain determined skeletal-based body parts are mapped to the entertainment systems 120 , such as game consoles , gaming systems, set-top boxes , Blu - Ray® players , or a home entertainment may be stored in memory and played during play of a game device ( e. g ., Sony PlayStation®3 or Playstation®4)."
This is not about Xbox or WiiU/NS, it is about a patent which allow a universal controller that can control not only gaming console such as PS but also STB or Blu-ray player. These STB or Blu-ray player usually considering with lower end CPU than the video game console.
Sony mention this because they want to make the patent protection not only in the high end video game console but also into the low end of STB or blu-ray player. If Sony did not mention this, it will make this controller only link to the high end of gaming console. If anybody who want to use the low end home entertainment system with this controller technique, they could by pass this patent.
It is a fair description just mention this controller doesn't necessary to use high end CPU to make it work.
I don't know who the patent expert is, but I think as an expert he should read the whole article to tell a story. Instead of only capture a little part of the article then tell a story.
@get2sammyb Just to let you know since you haven't reported it there's a state of play for final fantasy 16 on the 13th April, was announced on the PlayStation blog today.
@nhSnork Also 3DO. That is, if anyone still remembers them since their console bombed horribly. And they went third-party well before SEGA did. Still not enough to save them because they pushed mediocre games like the Army Men series.
listen to Kratos and stop doing console Wars
Sorry SONY, "best place to play" is my house. And what kind of hardware I use for playing is my business...
@Hydra_Spectre ah yes, the company whose console ads showed SNES and Mega Drive thrown out like garbage. Them and Sega both exiting hardware biz in the end can seem borderline karmic at times.
They aren't wrong.
@Shepherd_Tallon you are right 100% because i can express or I describe something in other languages that have more adjectives and if translated literally it could sound different but soon Xbox fans won't be happy either, they aren't already and it's not about them but about Game Pass and it's not about Console and they are starting to realize what is reality but if there are people who want that subscription model it's OK , Games are fantastic way of Human creativity but if they turn to A.I. generated content without responsibility so when something doesn't work just download another one then i will do something else because Life is Beautiful.
@ATaco "I mean the PS4 did absolutely trounce the competition last gen so some bragging rights were earned...but arrogant Sony thought everyone would pay an arm and a leg for a PSVR2 so they needed to be humbled again. It happens every other gen and it seems they got cocky again with this gen."
The Switch has outsold the PS4. It seems there hasn't been the trouncing you'd like to.
And the PS4 absolutely demolished the WiiU, which was it's competition at the time and what I was referring to. Sony won last-gen hands down. I know it doesn't seem like it since the switch is so underpowered but it's actually competing against the PS5 and Series X, not last gen.
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