There’s a new PS5 in town, and early analysis suggests it’s lighter and more energy efficient than its predecessors – perfect for the impending energy crisis. In fact, a brand new teardown from YouTuber Austin Evans reveals that the innards have been completely revamped: Sony is using a smaller motherboard, alternative cooling, and has even changed the SSD enclosure.
In fact, while the exterior of the unit remains identical, the internals have been completely transformed, with the motherboard specifically two-inches smaller than its predecessor. The heatsink, which has already been shrunk once, is now even smaller – making the original machine’s look like a veritable monster in comparison.
One downside is that the CMOS battery has been tucked away, so this could potentially cause issues decades down the line should you have an old device in need of a replacement. But the upshot is that the unit pulls around 20-30 watts less than its predecessors while gaming, making it much more energy efficient. It makes roughly the same amount of noise and operates at a comparable temperature, too.
It’s customary for console manufacturers to optimise hardware design over time, of course, but the caveat in this instance is that the new unit is rolling out alongside a price increase in most parts of the world. There’s no question that Sony has made these adjustments to cut down on costs, but it’s clearly not keen on passing those savings on to consumers.
[source youtube.com, via theverge.com]
Wow you've come to great lengths to post this shill's videos.I'm blocking again ads to your website cause its the only thing you seem to care about.
How do you know its cheaper to manufacture? Is it not possible that parts are more expensive than before? I don't know the facts but has it been shown that even if all things being equal you make a side-by-side of the PS5 architecture, as it was and as it is now, the current increase in cost of manufacture and parts procurement may negate the savings of using a more efficient build? Has that been demonstrated?
Will be buying a second PS5 in the new year. This model sounds rather good to me
@riceNpea FFS they wouldn't be using the parts if they were more expensive, I can guarantee you that.
A lot of the parts are made of minerals and materials that are pretty expensive in themselves - so purely in the reduction in weight and size of some of these parts (particularly the motherboard and cooling) you'd often find a decent saving.
Wow, that's quite a difference in under 2 years.
And yes, of course they wouldn't be making these changes unless it resulted in a cheaper build. Why would they increase production costs if it meant raising the sale price just to damage their reputation?
@Widey85 not sure why you're swearing, I'm only trying to understand something, is that really how you deal with honest questions. You misunderstand me, I'll take the blame for that if not being clear enough for you. I'm not saying they are using more expensive parts, the article intimates that the PS5 is cheaper to manufacture because it's using a smarter design. I'm questioning whether it is possible that the proposed savings of that smarter, apparently more efficient architecture could possibly be swollen up and negated if the costs of the parts have risen to a price point that's on par with what Sony had to pay when they originally designed PS5. Could it be that in real terms Sony is saving any money with this new build and is doing it out of necessity because the original architecture would be too expensive to continue producing? It may be the case that the overall costs are comparable.
All I'm asking is if this has been verified or are we all assuming the new architecture is automatically cheaper just because it has been revised? I'm happy to be educated on the matter
My partner has a launch day PS5, while I've held off and got the XSX as the exclusives I like (Spider Man, Ghost of Tsushima) are on the PS4 too and perform well enough.
I always get both Xbox and PlayStation every generation, and this is the longest I've gone in a generation without picking up the second console - normally the price has started to come down or has a shrunk / Pro version on the horizon (I'm cursed to always buy just before the Pro is announced!).
But this design has me concerned - it's plainly obvious there are way less cooling fins in the newer units, even if the ventilation unit looks a bit bigger.
That's a worry as it suggests the fan may have to go higher for games later in the generation that really tax the PS5 - as the fins in particular are important for cooling (just look up fanless CPU coolers for PCs).
Given the higher clocked GPU I think I'm going to hold off until these newer units have had some chonky games thrown at them - otherwise I might wait for a Pro or Slim version (I could accept a Slim making more noise for example as a trade off to get rid of the huge size - not sure we can fit two in the house!).
@riceNpea It could certainly cost the same as the previous design in todays money, given the rising cost of everything, but if they did not make the changes they would be spending more now doing it the old way, so it is still a saving whichever way you slice it.
I guess you have to cost in R&D/changes to the production line and so on, but then these sorts of efficiency savings will really benefit into the future, with learnings going into new slimline models etc.
So long term it's obviously a smart move.
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@kyleforrester87 yes that's how I see it too. They may have been forced to come up with a better design to combat rising prices of the parts. Which is why I thought it a little unfair to say Sony is making a cheaper PS5 and charging more for it. That's why I asked the question if that had been verified or assumed.
@Jacko11 Why do you visit the site then? I don't get it.
@riceNpea Of course you already know, but it is only assumed since why would Sony talk about that stuff. But personally I think it is obvious enough to reasonably assume and present as a given. No harm debating it, though.
More energy efficiency is always a great thing, makes it better for the environment and for our electric bills even if only by a few bucks.
@kyleforrester87 I think when information like this is being presented as news its important as the reporter of the news to not add a bias if its an assumption, especially if it gives the impression that Sony are hitting the customer with a double whammy of making a console for less money than when it released AND charging more for it. Its an important distinction sp thank you for saying its worth the debate, I appreciate it.
@riceNpea No problem At the same time this isn't panorama, I don't really mind a bit of bias when it's in relation to the heatsinks Sony have in their PS5, it does not actually impact me at this point and I can draw my own conclusions where it matters. It would all be a bit boring around here, otherwise.
@riceNpea Sorry, it's more frustration that I'm affected by the price rise and redesigns, and I've seen you in many threads asking this question or defending Sony on these particular points.
As a direct answer, you see the big fins in the first design? They're often made from aluminium or other metals (particularly if need higher thermal conduction) that are reasonably costly for such density and quality.
The first and second clearly use the same metal, the third may use a higher thermal one - but even then it's so much smaller there's no metal around that could compensate for such loss of surface area.
In terms of better R&D etc. - there's not been any massive strides in cooling in the last 2 years that could explain such a significant reduction in the cooling unit size.
Instead I suspect a minor change in material that is a better conductor so they could shrink the slightly hideous second design - but even if it was one of the best conductors around I don't see how it ends up more expensive or better at cooling than the launch unit.
Sony (and their fans like Digital Foundry) will argue it still cools current games more than enough and is a bit more efficient as the cooling solution was overdesigned - but I'd argue I want the overdesigned version when I'm playing on an overclocked GPU and playing games later in this generation that give the PS5 a workout.
So for me it looks like short of stealing my partner's launch edition, I'm going to have to wait for a Slim or Pro version...
@Widey85 thank you. I'm not defending Sony, I'm trying to be fair to them because assumptions on cost are being made. I don't think I've commented about this subject before so I'm not sure where you've read my comments on it. Tha k you for your technical breakdown, most informative, I can see how the architecture used in the new PS5 would be cheaper if the cost of manufacture hasn't also risen in tandem with it.
What I want most from the new PS5 is an end to coil whine and the problems i still have with Rest Mode crashing the system. Heck I still get Internet drop outs all the time. My launch PS5 leaves a lot to be desired, I'm not impressed by it.
I was reading just yesterday that the current PS5 costs very little on your bill when in standby mode, compared to the Series X which costs something like 15 times more.
Sony have been making a big push for energy efficiency. Fair play.
@riceNpea Can I ask what you tried to resolve your internet drops? I'm running on WiFi with a paltry 15mbs on a very good day, but drops have never been a problem unless there's an issue with my network.
My PS4 on the other hand, I had infuriating issues with drops until I figured out what the problem was.
To add something to the “why would they make it more expensive to make” thread - would it be possible that they could go for parts that are in fact more expensive but also more easily available?
We all know that the main constraint to the PS5 business is availability, not the price.
Of course I doubt there’s enough publicly available info at the moment to confirm one way or the other.
Edit: on second thought - I guess the problem was the semiconductors used in chips and those are probably still the same.
"There’s no question that Sony has made these adjustments to cut down on costs, but it’s clearly not keen on passing those savings on to consumers."
Do we know for a fact that this is increasing profits, or is it just decreasing losses?
Not to be a plonker or anything. I only ask because if that statement is speculative, it's the kind of thing that can trigger people unnecessarily.
@riceNpea No problem, when building a PC for use on the TV I wanted to try and avoid a fan (but also didn't want to go water cooling as if I screwed up there's just way too many electronics in the living room that could drown) I got way too deep into cooling solutions and technology so I'm quite intrigued by the pictures in the article.
Coil whine is a nightmare, short of taking the covers off and checking nothing is in the fan area there's not much you can do either.
I only mention checking the fan area because I've had a metal shaving from manufacture, a simple crumb and an overhanging cable from an expensive power unit (that wasn't as tightly packed as it should have been!) cause me whine-type noises over the years as once up to speed they create high-pitched noise - short of that though sadly there's not much to be done.
Internet wise, are you plugged into your router with a cable or are you using the Wifi? And do you have any of these devices in a 10 metre radius - microwave, cordless landline telephone or weirdly a fridge or freezer?
@Shepherd_Tallon I wish I had a solution. EVERY time I turn on the PS5 the internet cuts out (I get that annoying LAN message in the top right corner saying its lost, and then saying its connected, over and over again) and I have to restart the PS5. This helps it calm down but doesn't resolve the problem. I don't play online much but watching Netflix or stuff like that can be annoying. In general when I am streaming media it's a lot better behaved (ironically) then when I'm playing an SP game, but the issue remains.
My PS5 is in my manshed so I've not tried it in a mother part of the house however, it is wired. I think the problem is with the port for the cable.
Lord... that youtube thumbnail 🤢
@Widey85 it's wired, and like I said to Shepherd, it's in a detached shed with nothing near it. I think it's a design issue with the ethernet port.
@riceNpea Ignore my query about cordless phones / microwaves then as they're more a Wifi issue.
How does the cable run to the router, do you use Powerline adaptors or have a long one going all the way to it? And does anyone else in the house get internet disconnections?
If direct to the router and no one else gets them, I'd maybe try a different port on the router and maybe a new cable if it's a bit frayed / loose at the ends. If tried those and only the PS5 has the issue, I'd maybe try the latest firmware and contact Sony support if that doesn't help unfortunately
@riceNpea Ah if you find it seems to move in the port, I on occasion have used electrical tape to force a cable into a particular position in the port so it maintains connectivity :S
Really bad if you're forced into it, fingers crossed stock is better soon so could at least get a replacement PS5 or get it repaired depending if go via home insurance or Sony support...
@Widey85 I'd rather get stuck in a lift than use Sony support. I'm willing to bet you're right about using tape and finding a sweet spot for the cable in the port. It is a long run from the house to the garage, I may try swapping the port at the router, don't know why I haven't tried that! 😳😁
@riceNpea I had this problem when I first got my PS5 on launch day. I fixed it by using a better quality Ethernet cable. Not had the problem since. Also worth setting up static IP addresses for all your networked equipment. You may have tried all this and just have a faulty network socket. Who knows? I just thought I would chip in and help if I could.
@Shepherd_Tallon I think it's a fair point that it's might be about decreasing losses if they've moved back into a loss per unit - although with Jim Ryan that could just as easily mean "we started to make less profit per unit".
I just really wish Sony would be upfront about it - if I'm buying a later model, I want to know what's improved, what's maybe a little bit cheaper / less cool, how well tested it was and if they plan on another version really soon.
And be honest about the need for the redesigns, particularly when it's just gone up £30 here and 50 Euros in our neighbours.
Some of the refreshes can be fine - the 1TB PS4 for example I ended up picking up and it's still going strong - while the later PS4 controllers seemed cheaper plastic than my original one and don't match (which drives me nuts). I just wish Sony would actually communicate!
@riceNpea Ah nuts. If it's wired then I'm way off with what I thought the cause might be.
Sorry I can't help 🙇♂️
@Widey85 I agree with you there.
I've said before that I prefer a quieter Sony and I've asked what's the point in communication when they just get hate anyway, but there are times when some communication wouldn't do any harm and I feel that this is one of them.
Edit: I guess they're not obliged to tell us anything though really.
@Bizzy nice one. Will try that too 👍
@Widey85 Why do you need to know what's changed though, as long as it works as intended? Isn't that one of the nice things about a console, you just put in games and play? And they are always revising parts in other electronic/mechanical items, does it really matter I wonder? It's nice when Sony communicate but I am not sure I need them to be open and transparent about stuff like this. Certainly I can see why it is no value to them as a company. But I guess if it impacts on the quality of the product in a meaningful way it is good for us to know, though.
@Shepherd_Tallon as long as it doesn't affect PSVR2 otherwise I'm going to go apeshit
@riceNpea 😩 Don't jynx yourself!
(Ridiculously excited for PSVR2 myself)
@Bizzy Good shout, for long distances I've often gone for a slightly more expensive shielded cable just in case it runs too close to an electro-magnetic source.
Static IPs could be a shout too.
Pretty glad at the moment I've more networked devices than ever before but they all seem to be behaving (I've jinxed it now!) - university I used to get it in the neck from housemates if we got lag while gaming, and spent way too many days playing with router settings so it's nice to find someone else who knows the pain of playing with those settings
@kyleforrester87 On occasion though the quality has definitely been affected.
I can look at my first couple of PS4 controllers (one with the console, one bought with it) and they're a dark, shinier higher-quality plastic.
The later ones I've got are a dark grey almost-black that's more matte, and the sticks are more grey than black and I don't find the build quality as good.
But according to the barcode and model number, they're identical (I've not checked if there's some minor version number somewhere that probably is different) - and when buying online they often still had the old picture, I even returned the first one thinking they'd sent me the wrong model.
So while if Sony use this new cooling system to make a smaller PS5 (which I'd really prefer) I might give them the benefit of the doubt on it, if I'm going to have to get a big one I'd rather know what the difference is than trust them like I did with my controllers (and got burnt)...
@Voltan I think your original point still stands. Raw material prices are up across the board, as well as shipping and manufacturing costs especially when compared against the costs from a few years ago. For all we know, Sony’s primary manufacturer might’ve told them the old parts are getting too hard to produce and changing up materials is the only way to continue making units in the numbers Sony wants, which could mean renegotiated contracts, shipping from additional locations, increased R&D, testing, additional tariffs/general taxes. Or the new SKU could be way cheaper for Sony to produce and consumers are getting bent over a barrel. There’s really no way of knowing, so for journalists to pretend they know for a fact this SKU is cheaper to make us just disingenuous. They’re just playing off of peoples emotions about the PS5 price increase to drive site traffic.
For people upset about the price increase, at least this new unit is more energy efficient, so if you manage to get one you’ll likely make up for the cost difference a few times over by the time the PS6 comes out. A small ray of sunshine, but it’s at least something.
I like my big ass ps5..it has zero coil whine and is super silent even when a disc is in it. Stays nice and cool and for £450 it was a bargain for the tech thats in it and even though its going to increase by what £30? Its still a bloody good bargain..dont buy one if its too expensive for you..build a gaming pc and you will wish you bought the ps5..
Oh and it dosnt cost that much to use either...
@Shepherd_Tallon did it say what the actual numbers are? I'm wondering if it's propaganda and the cost difference is actually insignificant like a fraction of a cent vs a cent.
@Northern_munkey It only makes noise with the discdrive at the start but after that its so bloody silent and the console is so fast i love it. 😁
PC is nice but if you want stuff like great cooling and part plus a good looking case you are going to pay premium prices and thats without the graphics card and the SSD.
How have shipping costs been affected in this economy? If it's cheaper to build but more to ship it might even out to the same profit margin.
@Northern_munkey Think my point at least is if I'm paying 30 quid more than my partner (and this is 2 years in where PC has moved on a whole generation or 2 in graphics tech while Valve are doing great things with the Steam Deck) if it then overheats playing Wolverine or Spider Man 2 but the launch one doesn't I'll be fuming.
I'd be done with Sony at that point - already feel cheated by the cheap late gen controllers they skimped on
@Milktastrophe Oh it did. I read it in a standard newspaper.
I don't know if I'm allowed to link it here, so I'll paste the relevant info:
If you google "PS5 energy consumption stand-by" and go to the news tab you should see some articles about it from yesterday.
Also, personally I have never used stand--by mode anyway. I switch everything off at the wall when not in use or downloading.
this is why i prefer the launch model.
il wait until the ps5 mid gen refresh ( or maybe itll just be ps6)
Cutting down costs while bumping up prices, the Sony way for this decade!
@Shepherd_Tallon It has been repeated on Nintendo Life:
2 years on almost and I still can't see a reason for a PS5 over my SSD Pro...there MUST be some games coming out for it soon?
@riceNpea The console itself is now cheaper to produce and manufacturer - using less raw materials, reducing weight so as 'cargo' cheaper to ship etc
I would expect that rising costs of raw materials due to high demand as well as 'global' issues has increased the 'base' cost to produce a Console that 'initially' lost Sony some Money per unit, then 'revised' to use less material which may of brought their costs down to break even/maybe even make some money per unit, but as costs keep rising - not just the 'raw' material cost, but even costs of transporting raw materials, shipping consoles around the world etc so reduce weight and material costs - instead of making 10 consoles from 1kg of Copper (for example) they can get 15 now so they get 'more' consoles from the same quantity of raw copper than before so as Copper goes up, its offset by Sony using less of it - in theory...
But Sony are also putting up prices in the areas it has always had a big advantage in terms of sales, but not in the one region where Xbox generally gives Sony much more 'competition' and much closer in terms of Hardware units sold. They 'believe' that the strength of their 'fanbase' in these regions, places where the PS5 has more demand than Units, will pay 'more' for Playstation - even without CoD promotions, earlier access and 'exclusive' playstation only content. Relying on the strength of their 'brand' and their own 'first' party studio/games (which includes Bungie/Destiny)
@Widey85 It draws 20 W less power. So they can remove that amount of cooling without affecting the performance.
@Ryall Not really - wattage has little relation to heat, as a more efficient smaller power supply can be more concentrated so actually generate more heat.
Also a less powerful power supply may be a concern when you're pushing the limits of the PS5's power - so yet another reason with the cooling that I'm slightly wary of this upgrade.
I'd rather have the overengineered original cooling system if I'm playing a later game like Wolverine - we all remember how much the PS4 Pro sounded like a jet engine when playing the last few PS4 releases...
@kyleforrester87 “Why do you visit the site then? I don't get it.“
I’m not sure I understand your message. Did you mean to say ‘again’ rather than “then”?
Tbf, I thought my comment was funny but it did deserve deleting as clearly breaking community rules.
@bamozzy read about exchange rates and then you will understand alot of why US price didnt rise. sure its terrible pr, but have to read beyond twitter and understand sony isnt ms and have unlimited cash, so have to factor in current economic situation.
Gubbins? What that?
But I'm fascinated by these yearly revisions...
In a few more years, I can get a normal sized PS5.
@Shepherd_Tallon according to NHK World Japan Sony hike the PS5 price because of rising costs of its parts also due to the Japanese Yen being weak at 24 Year Low against US Dollar and you know Global Inflation too.
@MisterXpoSay Indeed. I was just reading about it in the financial times the other day. They laid it all out in a way that made perfect sense.
To be fair to Push Square they explained it well at the time too.
That video that says 'the new ps5 is better' how exactly it sounds worse to me it's only better for Sony because it's cheaper to manufacture lol
Still can't find one. All the Wal Marts in the surrounding cities of me finally have series X's, but who wants one of those. Apparently no one as they are in stock, yet to have seen a ps5 in the wild though.....
PlayStation didn't raise the price here in America because who's the number 1 competitor to them here? Yep. The rest of the world seems to care less about Xbox, and I don't think Sony is worried. If it were largely due to inflation, why not so with MS or Nintendo?
Still waiting for them to announce an actual PS5 Slim or Pro...until then I won't be replacing my launch day PS5.
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