Sony “might be” working on hardware level PlayStation 3 emulation for the PS5, according to talkative Games Beat scribe Jeff Grubb. The industry observer – who’s proven to be well-connected – cited sources who’ve indicated that the platform holder is exploring support for its last-last-gen console, although it “may take some time”.
Earlier this week, the Japanese giant announced a new PS Plus subscription tier that will include classic games, spanning systems like PS1, PS2, and PSP – but PS3 will only be supported through cloud streaming in select territories. This is because the PS3’s architecture is notoriously exotic, although it has been argued that emulation may be possible with the right level of investment.
“Since talking about this all week, I’ve looked, I’ve asked – it sounds like Sony might be working on emulation for PS3 on PS5,” Grubb revealed, as spotted by VGC. “It may take some time. I wish they would come out and tell us that. Tell us that you care about this stuff because that is what was missing from the PS Plus announcement – to me, it seemed like they didn’t care about any of it. They just slapped it together, put a new name on it, and sold it.”
The journalist’s not wrong here – it’s something we observed in our reaction articles, too. The new tiers of PS Plus could potentially be very exciting, but Sony did a piss-poor job communicating why consumers should care – unfortunately, this is a recurring theme for the firm of late.
Obviously, getting PS3 games running on the PS5 will be a tremendous hurdle, and just because Sony’s potentially working on it doesn’t mean it’ll ever reach the public. But it would be nice if the organisation was a little more forthcoming about all this: we’d argue fans would appreciate it if the platform holder came out, admitted it was exploring the possibility, and outlined the challenges it still needs to overcome.
To us, that’s better than giving the impression it simply doesn’t care.
[source youtube.com, via videogameschronicle.com]
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Kind of a shame Sony shot themselves in the foot with the PS3. They're still feeling the effects of terrible console architecture.
Really hope they do make an emulator for the PS5. I'd like to play MGS4 on it.
Bro how are we still getting weekly Spartacus rumors even after it was revealed?
Let's keep our prayers up!! There are some gems I missed in the PS3 gen I will visit if it happens!!! Go for it Sony!!
I hope they manage it, getting PS2 emulation working on PS3 once they abandoned proper backwards compatibility for later versions of the console, must have been a challenge too.
Really hope that's true. I understand that it's complicated but I'd rather wait years for a functional PS3 emulator on the home consoles than having none at all. Heck, imagine playing the OG demon's souls as well.
We shall see. If this is true though, why didn't they announce that this week? They could have just said that emulation is only possible with the PS5 hardware and whilst we are figuring it out, the option of streaming will be available at the launch of the rebranding. I still want to know if they are keeping all of the backwards compatibility behind the higher tiers or not.
Bit weird they wouldn’t announce it if it was in the works. But it’s Sony so absolutely in character.
Easy solution : Get PS3 machine, get PS3 games, place your PS3 near of PS5 like siblings.
Even if they did as unlikely as it is it won't be disc based compatibility. If they were going to offer physical disc backwards compatibility then they'd already be doing it with the PS2 since the games will be able to be played natively but locked behind the subscription.
And even if they got an emulator working via the subscription people will still get the pitchforks out because the consumers and fanboys love to complain and stir up trouble.
PS1 though is an impossibility as it has been confirmed prior to launch that the PS5 is incapable of reading CD's because it doesn't have the correct laser. And even that being the case people will still moan even though it is out of their hands. 😪
I've given up on anything Grubb says tbh. Yes, he's leaked some stuff but usually, he's more wrong than right.
It's a bit of a pain having to fish out old equipment when you feel like playing old games again so if this is true I would welcome it with open arms.
@Deadlyblack I wouldn't exactly call it terrible when it produced amazing visuals of the likes of TLoU, Uncharted 3, and Beyond Two Souls. Those visuals coming from 2006 hardware is impressive even today, at least it is to me.
Yeah lots of devs complained about it being hard to work with, but look at what it was capable of in the end. It was terrible alright...terribly underrated
@Anti-Matter That’s not really an easy solution at all. As the years pass, PS3 games and systems will just get rarer in good condition.
I'll believe it when I see it. I just don't see this as something modern PlayStation would want to invest in.
@Deadlyblack Still a lot of my favorite games and it killed DVD thank God i hated that those discs scratched so fast. Bluray was a gamechanger for me.
Um yeah… not getting my hopes up. Sony didn’t even in the slightest imply it was in the works. If it actually turn out to be, it’s probably more than a year away.
@SoulsBourne128 Really if i get my PS5 then i already have the Demon Souls Remake and it looked better in every way.
“ Tell us that you care about this stuff”
That’s the point though. I don’t think they do care, they’re being forced to provide this as a response to game pass not because they want to. I believe they’d have been happy leaving everything as it was if they didn’t have to react to MS.
Their messaging and lack of apparent care supports this notion.
I'd rather they work on physical backwards compatibility for PS1 and PS2 discs as a majority of the series from those gens have been largely ignored. Tack on upscaling so everything isn't a blurry mess and don't stretch the image and I'd be happy. I know many would love to see trophy support added as well.
In contrast, many PS3 games have seen ports to PS4 which work well on PS5. The only added benefit I would see from PS3 emulation on PS5 would be if Sony gave us back the digital PS3 games we purchased during the gen to download and play. Odds of that happening are near zero, but one can hope.
I only want to see this happen to see the reaction of all those that are banging on about architecture nonsense excuses.
@Deoxyr1bose this is push square so they will milk every chance they get to mention it..finally glad that the ps5 may get some chance of ps3 emulation..not for me tbh but i know there are an awful amount of peeps on here who will cherish being able to play some sub 720p games at eye wateringly bad refresh rates..happy days..
Before they knew what they had, they patented it, packaged and slapped it on a lunch box.
And now, now they want to sell it.
So, news or "rumour"?
@DrClayman "I only want to see this happen to see the reaction of all those that are banging on about architecture nonsense excuses"
And if it doesn't? What will the people like you, who have been proven wrong, do exactly?
@nessisonett And worse still, the ps3 and 360 are more prone to breaking down than most other gens.
@Northern_munkey The emulation might upscale and help the games run smoother. That in addition to convenience is why it’s so appealing.
Yasss I want to emulate wasted days from yore. At a more crunch time in my life
@Deoxyr1bose This isn't a Spartacus rumor. This would be actual PS3 backwards compatibility on the PS5. At least as of right now.
@Fragile But comments like that are likely at least part of the reason why PlayStation's backwards compatibility is a joke in comparison to Xbox's. People saying they don't care about it and that they bought the latest system just to play new games on it, when it's obvious it isn't true since it's been a topic ever since Sony abandoned it after the initial batch of PS3s.
I would really appreciate this. The motor on my PS3 disc drive broke while I was trying to play through the MGS series and I know MGS 4 is trapped on PS3.
You would think they would announce this if true, it would earn so much good will.
Can we please stop with the rumors and speculation? They've done more to damage Sony's image than any They've actually done in the last two years.
@Grahamthecracker haha this is the exact reason I went and bought the Super Slim with the slidey top. The whole system seems much less prone to failure than the others.
Sony probably had no intention of doing native PS3 backwards compatibility no. However, because 95% of the responses of this new service is about PS3 being disappointing and not being native, maybe Sony is now going to tackle it because of it
@Gloamin that’s the one I have… lol it’ll make it easier to repair if I ever get around to it.
@RubyCarbuncle same here, can never find a charged controller
@nessisonett Keeping launchday PS3's well maintained is no laughing matter. There are so many potential fail points.
I've just always hated Sony outlook on the PS3. They've always looked at is as a dirty mistake and always tried to sweep it under the rug. The PS3 generation was amazing and the PS3 was a gem of engineering at the time.
@Jaz007 indeed it might but i doubt it..like i said its not for me..i dont want to play emulated games i want remakes or remasters that utilise the console i just bought..if people want to have emulated ps3 games then great..enjoy but for me it just smacks of laziness and the path of least resistance..
@Deoxyr1bose Spartacus (or the PS+ premium tiers) and PS3 emulation are not the same thing. In fact, even when you do play a PS3 game on PSNow (or the new PS+), its actually streaming from real hardware, not emulation.
@GADG3Tx87 If emulation was working, via a subscription; what happens when the system is no longer supported by Sony? Can you still play those PS3 games on your PS5? A feature with an expiration date isn't what a lot of people are asking for.
@KilloWertz A loud voice on the internet doesn't actually translate into much. Sony removed PS2 backward compatibility from the PS3 models because "Its a feature that everyone asked for and no-one used". I can attest to that first hand, as I made sure to buy a launch PS3 so I would have backward compatibility, and after a couple hours of FFXII, I never touched that feature again.
@thedevilsjester They removed PS2 backwards compatibility from the PS3 because it was expensive and a big part of the cost of the console.
@Northern_munkey wouldn’t be bad if the games were actually upgraded like they are on Xbox . 7th gen had some amazing games , arguably better than last gen ; it’s just the horrible choppy 25-30fps is intolerable nowadays , even back then it was bad though to be honest . Any FPS that wasn’t COD ran like crap on 360 .
@LN78 My fat PS3 is somehow alright but definitely an anomaly. It’s two generations ago now. Most people surely retired their PS1 by 2007!
@Flaming_Kaiser True, although I do miss the weird ancient aesthetic the original game had, especially the music (Remake's ost is not bad but it went a bit overboard with the vocals. Case in point? Dirty colossus lol), which still makes it one of a kind in the Souls series. Plus it's always nice to look back at how Demon's Souls used to look like, like watching an old movie after watching its remake just to see what was the original movie's vision back then. It may not hold up today but it's still important to Playstation's history.
@nessisonett Have you swapped out the fan or the thermal paste?
You can emulate almost every game on PS1-2-P-3 on PC with a decent CPU. Instead of buying a 2TB SSD you can start saving up to buy a i9 12900k..
@thedevilsjester
I'm well aware of that, I think you may have missed my point. I'm not saying that's the way it should be (streaming) I'm just saying (native) is the way it won't be. Despite this either way people will complain as I said, because in gaming, you can't please everyone. Someone somewhere will always be overentitled.
Myself, I have my PS1, PS2 and PS3 because I won't rely on a corporation to provide me access to backwards compatibility or preservation. I know not everybody does that but it's better than asking for something you might never get.
@Snake_V5
There were a few reasons, and that was certainly one of them, but a quote from Ray Maguire (Sony UK) on why they removed it:
"lots of people think that backwards compatibility is high on the agenda and yet few really use it"
Various studies during that era, and my own personal experience agree with that sentiment. I feel that the eighth and ninth generation is different though, and think that more people would make use of the features. Enough to make the R&D time worth it? I hope so.
@Pat_trick I appreciate the JP quote.
PS3 emulation on PS5 is more annoying than the BlueBox abandoned rumours at this point.
I hope so. I missed out on the ps3 generation.
“might be” and "exploring" says it all. Nothing to see here, move along.
Still got my 2503 Slim which is working well. Only thing I'm missing is PS2 emulation which is annoying but hardly a deal breaker.
@nessisonett Why announce that you are looking into something. Sony are much better off keeping quiet totally and letting people say what they want if there isn't a proper solution ready to go.
@GADG3Tx87 No-one has PS3 discs anymore, if they did they'd have a PS3 that they could play them on.
@Anti-Matter That is if your PS3 doesn't break down. Especially when you consider Sony has already stopped supporting the console. At some point, you'll have no choice but go with emulation lmao
@Apfelschteiner
"No one has PS3 discs anymore or a PS3 to play them."
Um, I do. My PS3 is sat right next to my PS5 and I was recently playing Mercenaries 2 on it
Y'know what else? I was also playing my PS2 a couple of weeks ago. A little blast on Mercenaries 1, Silent Hill 4, Star Wars Starfighter and Simpsons Road Rage
Some of us kept our consoles and games. And mine still work as perfectly as the day I got them. Even my PS1 from 27 years ago, I was playing Dino Crisis 2 on it last year
@Apfelschteiner @GADG3Tx87 Same here. I've got about 400 CIB PS3 games.
@Deadlyblack I mean it’s pretty hard for them to plan ahead back then past the ps3 to think of how it effects the ps5
I’m guessing why they don’t announce it ( assuming it’s even true) is unless it works well enough then it’s not worth releasing.
Good!
I have nearly perfect internet and streaming the games is just not good enough! The input lag is so bad, the anlog stick takes more than a second to react. Sometimes the quality of the image also goes down!
I'm the first one to criticize Sony when they make mistakes (despite loving the Playstation brand) but this time if this is true, kudos to them
@SoulsBourne128 why would you rather play the original demon's souls over the remake? Putting the price aside.
Is it really worth it?. It's notorious knowing that the PS3 is a bitch to emulate. Will the investment reap the rewards?
People bang on about Gamepass etc but these folk forget that Sony was doing back compatibility and emulation on older systems before MS was...MS may have pushed on but at one point original Xbox emulation was rough...
Personally they can keep all this stuff in the eras it lived it. I never purchased a PS5 or SX to play older games. I still have my consoles and games going back to the late 70s so it's not something that interests me.
@Mezzer
Its more nuanced than that. Not only is there a lot of benefit of consolidating all of those consoles (3-5 generations, all with one device); but playing games on the PS3 or even PS4 to some degree is frustratingly slow (UI-wise) when you are used to how snappy the PS5 is. There is also the additional (potential) benefit of higher resolutions, and better frame rates.
Now is that worth it to Sony? Probably not. Games make the vast majority of their money within the first few months of release; and slow to a trickle after that. Years (or decades) later, the number of sales for a game even if it were available and playable is a drop in the bucket. (And, of course, if they allowed original discs, they wouldn't get any money from that)
The most they could hope for is the non-tangible worth of making your fans happy.
I hope it's true but I don't believe the things Jeff Grubb says. If there is any chance Sony is working on this, then I hope they are also working on Vita games too.
It's better for them not to announce anything publicly because there's no guarantee it will happen. And people will keep asking for updates on the progress for years to come. If they decided it wasn't working out and had to scrap the idea, then there will surely be a backlash over it.
It would be nice to have BC for all generations. It will be expensive but it would also make them appear more consumer friendly and give people more confidence to buy games from them knowing they will be safe. Right now MS is looking like the good guys as people feel confident their games will always carry over to the next platform. Would also be a good help with their service too and get people to keep paying for it.
For PS1 and PS2 games, it would be nice if they could do an external Disc drive to read those discs. If it couldn't run the games then at least allow us downlaod them and use the disc the same as PS4&5 games.
@Deadlyblack They didn't shoot themselves in the foot. Sony actually takes risks on things with each console, when they made The Cell processor it was way ahead of its time. They only got rid of it with PS4 to save on production/development costs. There is a reason that to this day its so hard to emulate, its a strong complicated processor.
I would love to be able to play Resistance and Killzone on PlayStation 5! I missed out on those at the time cause I was playing 360. Please make it happen Sony!
Issues of the day:
Sony prioritizing tricky emulation.
Or
Microsoft boss buying lions share of agricultural US land and refusing to grow food on it for the people at the start of the 'great reset'.
EDIT:. Even seeing it written down I bet loads of people have pitchforks out for the former, and next to no sentiment for the latter.
If they get PS3 properly working, I’ll sub. I’m not interested in the others long term.
PS1 and PS2 were great for their time but they don’t age as well, mostly; when comparing them to the PS3 and old 2d games.
@Snake_V5 Agreed. It's a shame cos that era was a certainly a high point in gaming history for me. Specifically Sony's promotion of growth in their first party studios as they established several brand new, mainstay AAA IPs. Not to mention that the Cell architecture, while hard to use, it was genuinely unique and produced some great results at the time.
@Mezzer it would make the upper tiers of new PS+ a lot more attractive as the PS3 games would be downlodable to play instead of stream only. This would enable them to make PS3 games available in the regions that don't support streaming.
@nomither6 i agree
Still listening to Scrubb, huh.
@LN78 Nah, most I’ve done is install CFW and it runs alright. Well, alright for a PS3. Skyrim still runs like garbage.
@nessisonett
I bought an used PS3 Slim White color 320 GB from my local game shop owner with very good condition and if I calculated my PS3 Slim age, probably 12 years old if the machine have been manufactured from year 2010.
For the PS3 games, they are still working until today (though I have ever experienced with dead PS3 disc which will get Disc Error reading on PS3, so far only 4 games was dead and got the replacement for 2 games) and most of them are already more than 10 years old.
Would be really disapointed if it was a feature only available on ps5
@LuisCruz13
I will not go to emulation as I got PS3 Slim in December 2019 after I buried my dream to get PS3 machine in year 2014 due to difficult situation. So when I got my dream back, I will take care of my PS3 Slim.
@nessisonett "Skyrim" was slideshow bad after a point. Wasn't it a fault with the memory cache or something like that?
@Snake_V5 I wish they'd kept it as a more premium version Idve definitely payed the extra money for the BC
Ironically the PS3/360 era was the generation that I played videogames the least, because life. So I don't have too many fond memories or nostalgia for those games. But I hope Sony is able to get some kind of emulation going for those that do... That said I think buying an original PS3 on eBay is the best way to go — I would consider it, just to play old PS1 & PS2 discs...
Get native Saturn and Dreamcast emulation on there and you'll have my dollar bucks.
Most of the games are available on PC or on PS4 or PS5 through remasters and backwards compability anyway. I just don't see the need for them to be available on PS5 through emulation.
But then again as handheld gamer formost these day, I've pre-ordered a Steam Deck and do not intend to purchase a PS5 after the disappointing PS4 generation.
Hardware level? Like, emulating the CPU itself? If Sony came out with an FPGA-based solution for hardware emulation of their retro consoles, I would quite literally poop my pants.
I want to moan and say something like "umph, bet they don't let you use your discs or PSN games" but at this point I don't expect them to. It'll be PS Now only, even if they enable downloads.
That kind of sucks because I have loads of digital and physical PS3 games and a big hard drive.
@shgamer the PS4 generation was hardly disappointing.
@LN78 @nessisonett Skyrim was the game that offed my Phat BC PS3. Broke my heart.
And if you think Skyrim was bad, do not even attempt New Vegas. The dam quest was never ending. My stubborn ass was too commited to getting the plat to stop at that point.
@ryanburnsred ps3 visuals were abysmal. Considering the games came on bluray, the games often looked like last gen ie ps2 graphics compared to the Xbox 360 version which came on DVD but had much better graphics. There were exceptions ie Resistance but apart from that.
@Richnj new vegas ps3 is broken. There is a coding error where some quests don't load properly and now the game doesn't get updated anymore its virtually unplayable. Get it on 360 or PC GOTY if you want to play it still.
@eagletrippin i bought a second hand slim 160gb the other day because some idiot threw out a mint box for one and I walked into a shop after knabbing it and bought the console with pads to go inside. Thats 2 ps3s I own now with 4 controllers perfect for double boxing.
@Apfelschteiner ps3 and 360 games are some of the highest selling items at CEX so you are full of bull to put it nicely.
@Resi32 Don't worry, I played it on 360 first. I really enjoyed my experience there and earned all the achievements, and that is why I wanted to play it on PS3 and get the plat. I did finish Fallout 3, New Vegas and Skyrim on PS3 but they weren't pleasant experiences.
Coincedentally, I'm currently playing the Anniversary edition of Skyrim on PS4. Shall plat it again, and I'm definitely having a much better time.
If it's true, awesome! My PS3 is still kicking but it would be great to be able to play some of the classics again on a modern platform. Streaming just isn't an option for myself as my internet simply isn't up to the task.
I know many folks make the argument that not enough people use backwards compatibility on a regular basis enough to warrant the work involved in making it work but that argument simply doesn't make sense to me. There are many features that get limited use on PS5 like the PS+ help card system but when it is used in a good way, it's much appreciated like with Ratchet for example.
I don't use the flash light function on my phone every day but sometimes it comes in handy. PS3 emulation is something that would definitely come in handy at some point.
Please don't turn into another Nintendo with this mess, Sony. I know all too well just how awful communication and customer relations can become, being a longtime fan of the big N myself. Being open, respectful and tranparent to the people who actually give you money should be a given ...You did wonders with this throughout the entire last generation, don't throw it all away now.
(I'd say they're still nowhere near Nintendo's level, mind you ...but it's been starting to go downhill, I feel.)
@Richnj i need to finish both 3 and NV on my 360, but I'm crap at the games frankly.
I could see them getting a limited amount of the PS3 library, the games that didn't make the most of the architecture, working well on the PS5, but I'm pretty sure there will be games which will only run with serious regressions in performance.
If they do this just for PS Plus Ultimate or whatever they're calling it, they can be selective about the library they offer, as well as making sure that remasters and remakes of some of the games which don't make it are included.
If they just roll it out and say you can play your old games, but only these ones - they're going to have a messaging nightmare.
I love the PS3, still play it now and then ...Great games, hilariously overcomplicated architecture. It's a wacky little grill- shaped thing, that's for sure.
@Resi32 Presumably these people with PS3 games also have a PS3 though, right?!
How much did Nintendo say about N64 on Switch again?
I can't fathom the conversations at Sony. "Sooo.. this here PS3 emulation, ya think that's something we should look into?"
Just unbelievable that they could be this clueless and this inept.
I mean, I believe it, but its still unbelievable.
I definitely miss the era of Shaun Layden/ Jack Tretton, Andrew House, Shu Yoshida etc being out on the stage. I used to tune into E3 and PSX for a lot of that mainly.
There seems to be no proper personalities coming through atm which I think is what helped them get through the PS3 era.
@Apfelschteiner they should. i still have mine. i don't understand why people would sell their ps3 consoles but keep their ps3 games?
@Uncharted2007 its weird because the ps3 could play ps1 discs just fine. you would think that the ps5 could do that.
@Aggirivator this should explain everything to you ,
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-sony-creates-custom-ps3-for-playstation-now
I would love to be able to platinum the Mass Effect games again. I’m sure there are others from PS3 that I missed
@CWill97 i've played the remaster , you are much better off getting that instead of playing the ps3 versions.
I imagine they don't want to announce they're working on it too early. Much like the name change situation, it's probably more complicated than we think. They really shot themselves in the foot by making that Cell Processor.
"ALLEGEDLY". lol
@Anti-Matter
That’s the best PlayStation set up honestly, especially if you can snag a 60GB US or JP PS3 and use mods to make it reliable.
That covers all five generations of PlayStation.
I won't believe it until PlayStation officially announces the update on their blog.
If Sony can pull this off it would be huge. Crossing my fingers.
@GADG3Tx87 Most emulation is software based, that goes for the xbox too, but it can read the disk DRM then give you the option to download it. If a kid in his garage can make a emulator for PS1, PS2, dreamcast, gamecube, etc without having the official schematics and full access to the tech then a multi million company with all those and more not been able to do it is a joke.
I don’t see Sony doing the investment.
I think they’ll form a small studio that will work to release PS3 collections for PS5. Stuff like a ported Resistance trilogy.
"They just slapped it together, put a new name on it, and sold it.”
There it is again the always negative reactions from journalists. No wonder Sony doesn't communicatie.
@TheRedComet I think if they were going to remaster old titles, they would have fully commited to doing that on the PS4. There was nothing stopping them already doing that. They clearly just don't want to bring their PS1-3 titles forward in a remastered form unless it's to fill a content gap. (AKA the Nintendo approach)
The supposed reason for not having PS3 BC was that the PS4 wouldn't handle it, but now with the power of the PS5, a lot of people seem to think it's viable now. Which would presumably be why it's being looked in to.
@Richnj i see thousands of PS3 games at CEX. I’m sure younger children of PS5 owners would enjoy playing these, giving the games a second life.
I've still got my ps3 and about 40 games for it so I couldn't care less what sony does with this. You can find good games for like £1 in charity shops nowadays. Only problem is the ps3 is painfully slow by todays standards.
@Luigia Yeah definitely, that would be awesome.
My son has been playing the Spongebob squared game on xbox, and having a lot of fun with it.
And I'd rather he played old titles like that than something like Roblox that is constantly asking if he wants to buy in game credits.
@Deadlyblack I think if this service does very well, they'll probably do something like that ('success breeds success/good money after good' and all that). It a way, it could work in Sony's favour. Ride the initial 'new service' hype for a year, then create a 2nd hype wave, 1-2 years later with the announcement of PS3 emulation and maybe some more 1st party games on the service. I genuinely think gaming services like this are the future (I may be wrong), so it's only in Sony's interest to keep improving it. The cynic in me also thinks announcing stuff like PS3 emulation could be a good excuse to increase the subscription price down the line.
If Sony (well, Mark Cerny) can manage it then hats off to him!
However, I think the effort of trying to emulate a RISC core with multiple separate processing units using a turbo-charged but frankly ancient push/pop Wintel style processor running on Linux may be a step too far.
If it is possible, you might get a poor frame rate emulator up and running and probably a few melted PS5s (might make it look prettier!)
@EmperorJake Why does everyone seem to think that the PS4 is so painfully s-l-o-w these days? I've yet to experience a PS5 but my Pro is 4 years old, has an internal SSD and experiences a very snappy UI and loads games in a fraction of the time compared to the original HDD.
If they're working on it I have no idea why they didn't announce it with the subscription reshuffle. That said they clearly thought they could reshuffle their current services and act like it was a new service and people would be excited. Seems like they may just be completely out of touch.
@sanderson72 I assume it was a typo and they meant PS3 given the rest of the comment.
I might be the minority or majority. Although I grew up with PS1 and 2, I am not keen to replay the retro games. Remastered is a different matter but I am not even interested in my favourite GTA- vice city despite it being free on PS Now. I don't even replay my childhood best games- Super Mario 3 and Donkey Kong on the Switch. The voice of critics is surely loud, but they might just be the minority. Really would like to know the data from Xbox backward compatible games.
@MetalGear_Yoshi if they are working on it, could be a year off and they may decide doesn’t work well enough. If they announce would just get pestered for it even more. Look at VRR.
Remember all those rumours saying the PS5 would be backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2? I'm not going to trust these kinds of rumours until there's an official announcement.
Probably be ready just in time for the ps7 when Sony finally pulls the plug on psn for ps3 and vita
@sanderson72 compared to a ps5, the pro is a snail. I have both and going back to my pro is like going from Fibre to Dialup. Plus games playing at only 30fps when they run at 60 on the 5. ouch
I really doubt all these PS3 rumors, Sony bought an entire streaming platform/ architecture to create PS Now. They haven't even recouped that investment yet, due to sluggish customer engagement with Now. The whole point of Spartacus was to relaunch Now and hopefully recoup their investment. PS3 emulation may come eventually, but Sony will never allow us to play our old discs in a newer system. They will never allow BC again due to Jim Ryan's overwhelming greed.
I trust Sony. I trust them to be focused like a laser on the next $70 GoW/Horizon/Uncharted/Ratchet/LastofUs game. And since subscription services are now a thing, I trust them to Hoover up $60/80/120 per year too (much more, if you pay as you go). But we'll never get actual BC from Sony again, all they care about now is the money. MS is the only one that allows BC with old discs and the games are enhanced too.
They can use PS5’s Tempest audio engine as a “repurposed” Cell engine since they are similar in arhitecture.🤞🏻
@GamerDad66 this is just silly. why shouldn't they care about money? they aren't running a charity.
@MetalGear_Yoshi , if they announce it and it doesn't work as well as they hope , and they don't actually use it , then it would be even worse. assuming this is all true btw , it might not even be true.
@sanderson72 Was meant to write ps3, sorry, typo!
I want to pop PS3 discs into my PS5. That'll be awesome
PS5 PRO with ps3 compat.
Course they will sell it back to you.
Lets be real, they should've been working on this since the launch of ps4, it's not happening, what shocks me is that they didn't utilize ps now to allow players the chance to stream their old ps3 games they bought digitally! I don't care if they are streamed or not I just want sony to register I have bought catherine digitally for ps3, therefore I should be able to stream it on ps4/5 through ps now without paying another damn sub. Surely that's easier than ground up cell emulation?
For now I'd take the rumour with a pinch of salt. However longer-term if Sony wish to expand the new ps plus tiered system,a locally run emulation running via ps5 would be an advantage.
I would suggest people keep expectations in check all the same...Microsoft threw large resources including a large team,& some hardware design elements of their APU to help with things as well as recompiling title by title.
We know from Mark Cerny's ps5 design speech they included certain elements of the ps4's APU to help games run on ps5,the closest to a ps3 mention he made was in relation to how they designed the tempest engine.
Digital Foundry mentioned they tested RCPS3 on ps5 & though games like ps3 demon souls ran okay, SPU intensive titles don't. Again,as has been mentioned, the modding team behind RCPS3 have done remarkably well to achieve what they have without reference documents that a playstation team would.
But for comparison sake,we still don't know if the basic ps2 emulation they used on the short-lived ps2 classics on ps4 has gotten any improvement for the new ps plus yet.
So even if they were working on an emulation solution to replace the ageing ps3 "blades" currently in use for PS Now territories,we'll have to wait & see if it can be done & what could run on it from the current ps now titles. 🤔
Would be nice for PS owners to access some of the Ratchet & Clank games & RDR/Undead Nightmare again though!
As much as I'd prefer a straight ps4/5 port of the latter,knowing Take-two they'd probably farm RDR off to Grove Street Games...& that's a true apocalypse nightmare!!😋😂
Not sure what games I'd actually be that bothered to try again anyway? GTA 4, RDR, Fight Night, PES 2013, Joe Danger, Skate 3, Splinter Cell: Blacklist, Top Spin 4.
Most decent games are ported/remastered on PS4 anyway to be honest.
It would be great if it happened, and it would be even better if they could enhance the games in some way the way MS has been doing. PS3 was Sony's worst hardware but one of their best libraries, especially early on before it tanked hard and they regrouped, there are a ton of great, older gems (especially Haze... ) but I'm not counting on it. It just doesn't seem Sony-like to put that kind of time and money into something "nobody wants to play."
i couldn't be happier if this were true it'll get sony that extra goodwill with fans. i prefer newer games but will go back to the ps3 more frequently than other ps consoles to play games
@mrbone There's a very old article below that showed BC on Xbox was really popular a few years ago and I'm sure that hasn't changed. Personally I play original Xbox and 360 games all the time and love that I've been able to catch up on games I missed out on the first time round.
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/05/03/xbox-backward-compatibility-playtime-nears-1-billion-hours
Meh who cares, I would never load a ps3 game, I rarely play PS4 games now, the games and graphics on ps3 are just too weak now to go back.
@twitchtvpat @Robinsad yeah, very true. If there's one thing we've learned in the recent past it's that it's probably best for companies to play their cards close to their chest.
It sure would be nice to be able to revisit the Metal Gear collection on PS5 again, since at the very moment the PS3 is the only way to play all of the canon games (except Portable Ops, if that counts) or settling on Xbox for a portion of their games today.
I still have my PS3, but it was way more convenient playing through PSNow on PS5 before it was taken down.
Remember the sony ps3 had an extra OS feature on launch consoles to play ps2 emulation. They removed it cause people could have it thinking it would be a security flaw they removed it. People sued em for it. Id imagine they sill stay away from any emulator to leave the ps5 more secure. Which is why i bought a 2nd ps5 for the hack in the future
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