Humanity loves a good pile-on, and Marvel’s Avengers has become the whipping boy of the games industry this past year. The co-op brawler – which was above average at best, let’s be real – has attracted ire for all sorts of reasons, from its console exclusive Spider-Man money hat through to its pricey cosmetic costumes. One thing that developer Crystal Dynamics did promise, however, is that it’d restrict microtransactions to outfits – so it’s perhaps no surprise that the community is aggrieved by the addition of paid XP boosters and resources.
Available within the release’s in-game store, consumable boosters can be purchased with a currency called Credits, which must be acquired with real money through the PS Store. It’s worth noting that these operate as accelerators, bumping the amount of XP or resources you gain during gameplay. Some fans are particularly frustrated because recent patches have reduced the amount of XP earned during normal gameplay, and introducing these paid boosters feels like a Captain America kick to the crown jewels.
A quick glance at the release’s official Reddit page, for example, reveals all: the community is absolutely livid. Many are pointing to comments made just a year ago when the superhero outing originally released: “We’ve committed that content purchasable with real money in Marvel’s Avengers will be aesthetic-only additions, which will ensure we can keep the game fresh for years to come.” Obviously, the company has delivered a number of large-scale expansions at no extra cost, such as the recent Black Panther DLC, but for many these boosters represent one misstep too many.
Having microtransactions to begin with is bad enough for a lot of people, but adding worse microtransactions in a year later is just begging for trouble. Add the fact that exp gains were slowed with a patch and there's no real way to defend this.
Thing is, Avengers should have been a slam dunk for Square Enix, but they've dropped the ball pretty much from day one, and now this is where we're at. You can have access to the biggest IPs in the world, but it takes much more than that to make a good game.
SE are the absolute scum of the gaming industry. They should be bending over backwards trying to attract more players to this game but here they are fleecing the most loyal. They’re in for a rude awakening.
They did promise no MTX, other than cosmetics, and they lowered the XP gain before introducing a XP boost. People have every right to be pissed.
What a terrible move. Grinding was already glacial before the patch that slowed it even further. They're not even trying to hide the fact that this was their plan all along. So gross.
He but its optional and it gives you a feeling of accomplishment. 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
I loved it that people defended this.
The best thing this gets defended by gaming sites here with Ubisoft games because it was optional. 🤪 👍
Thanks Ubisoft for making it mainstream in singleplayer games just loke liveserviceeeee.
I wonder how many people still play this.
I kinda want to play the single player campaign but the game just seems to get more and more of a disaster as time goes on
I can't stop laughing at this.
Modern gaming...Create a problem... Sell you the 'solution'
Everyone can say it'll be different with Guardians, but I wouldn't touch that game after what they've done with Avengers.
The whole reason they put the game on gamepass, gain millions more players that could potentially buy out new microtransactions
Disgusting. Devs/publishers should not worsen a game after purchase. And making it more difficult to get something they clearly admit has value (through selling it for cash) is worsening something objectively speaking. Not even up for debate. Refunds should be mandated for both base game cost and all extra purchases up to this point. This annoys me and I don’t even have the game.
Yeah another reason why the game, the publisher, and the devs (don't even try to say it's not the devs, if you've worked even a day in the industry you'd know that's a lie) don't deserve this IP, the playerbase, or any defense for any aspect of this garbage.
Thanos was right. Half the gaming industry needs to go.
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@Flaming_Kaiser I still think that Ubisoft is dishing money for good reviews (and bans anyone who is not positive enough).
The number of articles about Ubisoft games you can see on mainstream media sites with close to no criticism is staggering. Even patches get the spotlight, when they should be the proof the game was botched at launch.
Look at Far Cry 6. Copy-pasted mediocre content with glitches and generally lacking in every way. Still managed to get 75 in Metacritic. And wait for all the positive articles about post-launch patches. (someting like that : Ray Tracing has been added for PS5 in update 1.57 yay! but it's very low rez and doesn't look good, but we won't tell you that...)
This is an industry wide problem. As long as the masses continue to buy in, we'll keep seeing this. The only thing you can do is not buy these types of games (or play the "free" ones). It really is a shame that developers creative energy goes to filth like this.
@Th3solution It had a spike in player engagement when it went on gamepass, but that was before this happened.
That’s why I don’t get it when some people say they don’t mind XP boosters in games, and you can just choose to ignore them. Uh no, if they are in the game there’s always a good chance that regular XP progression was purposely slowed down by the devs in order to encourage these predatory transactions.
I’m glad I never touched this game, and never will. I can see SE offload Crystal to MS after they help them with Perfect Dark. Studio seems like it’s going downhill fast.
Well, they have to make up for that declining playerbase somehow, right...?
Also, let's face it at this point, Sony definitely wasted money on exclusive Spider-Man.
This thing is going to be free 2 play within a year.
Here’s hoping Guardians is great, this is just a write off and I hope they can do something good from the license.
I actually enjoyed the game a lot and had a lot of fun with it despite it being universally hated by just about everybody and their grandmothers but this is pretty dispicable..i was never going to platinum the game because the online whilst fun in short sessions would probably take me the decade to grind it out but at least i can now buy my way to it...but i wont be because its a ***** thing to do to the people who still play it..shame..
@General_Spiller seriously! Though it’s not just gaming… it’s society in general.
Above average? Man, you guys have thrown the funnies out thick and fast recently.
I don't see the problem, it's a PvE game and you don't have to buy them
@Kevw2006 the problem is SE stated this wouldn't happen and they've gone back on their word.
Why do I care? It is not a PVP game
Tales of Arise had not only XP booster but you could buy 10 levels at a time... plus outfits... plus gold... plus items... plus SP points.
Didn’t buy any. Still a great game.
@Agramonte "the problem is SE stated this wouldn't happen and they've gone back on their word"
@Integrity I get that, Devs going back on their word.is happening all too often these days but I don't really get who this hurts
@Kevw2006 it doesn't hurt anyone. It's a matter of principal. And naturally the people who are going to feel most aggrieved are the gamers who actually play the game. And rightly so. I find that quite easy to comprehend even though it doesn't affect me in any way.
Publishers are already using teams of psycho-analysts to find ways to manipulate us into spending money on microtransactions and we acquiesce. To also have them blatantly lie to us is a step too far.
I have no problem with them doing this in free-to-play games, they have to get paid somehow, but until that happens this seems obnoxious.
And the lieing is obviously not good.
@Integrity And then it lost 68 Million dollars.
I was told Scarlet Nexus was not coming to GamePass and Bravely 2 was a Switch exclusive. 2 lies that actually cost me more money if they had told us the truth from day 1. This you can just ignore.
@Agramonte it sure did, and I can see that they have gone back on their word out of desperation. I get that. It doesn't make it right, it doesn't excuse them doing it and it shouldn't leave anyone in doubt as to why people are upset about being lied to. They chose to create an Avengers game to be a GaaS before they saw the backlash to Anthem and then made this frankenstein from the wreckage. They manage to kill a guaranteed hit with the world's biggest franchise. Losing money from an Avengers game is incredible incompetence.
I'll tell you what I don't understand. Its not why people are getting upset about being lied to, it's why people can't empathise why those gamers feel that way and shrug it off because they think it's no big deal.
Maybe if we all had higher standards, and held publishers to higher standards we wouldn't have them plying their crappy microtransactions on us, or lie to us, or release buggy games that aren't fit to sell. Maybe if we all stopped buying games from Publishers who have no respect for us we'd all be better off.
@Integrity I play the game and am a big fan of it but I just don't really get who it hurts. It's an optional extra that you don't need to buy. Yes they went back on their word but they're just giving new players an option to level up quicker
@Kevw2006 I guess it all depends on 2 things; whether or not you want to put yourself in the shoes of the people who feel like they have been lied to, and whether or not it matters to you that a publisher goes back on their word. Remember SE before this decision altered the rate at which XP can be earned so that it has to take longer. They upped the grind and created the 'need' for XP Boosts. They've created the problem and are selling the solution as someone here rightly put it. Personally I can empathise and do see this as something that's to be aggrieved by. For example because I'm principaled and don't wish to support it, I don't buy EA games with FUT-type gambling in it because I think its despicable.
Live service games are garbage, and I hope all these high profile failures will accelerate this model into its grave.
Sorry that I can't validate the overall concensus here, but I feel like this outrage is a bit silly, and oftentimes coming from people who most likely haven't even played the game. Recently picked up the disc version super cheap 2nd hand, enjoyed the solid campaign (and a bit further than that) and have never once felt halted in my progress or game enjoyment by scummy monetization schemes. Anybody who pays for these sorts of mictrotransactions (in any game) is a tool by definition. And the argument "microtransactions shouldn't be in a full price game" is valid, but if nobody makes use of them the companies will also get the message. If there's someone to blame it's people who blindly preorder games, even when there's no scarcity; people who are willing to pay scalpers premium prices for stuff instead of having some damn patience, people who spend loads of money on Apple crap... bottom line: dumb consumerism enables greedy capitalists! And then people here wine around about a publisher going back on its word!?
@Integrity I pre ordered, I'm one of the people you speak about, I genuinely don't see the problem
they've decided to take up whaling instead
@Kevw2006 so it would seem. That's fine, that's totally your perogative. Difference is that it doesn't mean it isn't a problem. Publishers who say a game won't have MTs, then release the game, then go back into the game code and increase the grind required to level-up characters specifically make XP boosts attractive, boosts they said they weren't going to sell, is a problem.
I don't want to keep going round in circles so let's end there Mr Kev 😊 feel free to have the last word if you wish 👍
@Th3solution my advice is pick the game up super cheap. (I did) and play just the single player story content and forget the game wants to be anything else. It’s a decent solo player campaign. But I’m glad I didn’t pay or support them. Just a second hand copy will do for this grubby practise. The campaign is pretty decent though
“I don’t see a problem” I blame people that but Apple products.
Hahaha. Classic Internet.
This is way too stupid of a decision for it have been made by game developers. I'm betting this decision came from a C-level suit sitting high up the corporate mountain.
@Th3solution The campaign hasn't changed. It's always been great. The rest should simply be avoided.
Terrible move, SE. Such a waste of an awesome single player game
And people hate on Bungie for doing paid expansions with Destiny... The model just works. Companies can promise free maps and add-ons but someone has to pay for it and Square Enix got tired of paying.
I don't blame them but had they done paid expansion packs, they could have made bigger, better expansions where they also could invest in fixing the game's issues.
@RavenWolfe81 would that be the Destiny model where you pay for DLC and then see it removed so you can't play it anymore not long before they sell you new DLC that will one day be removed? Yeah, not a fan of that model either.
I remember when CTR added mtx. We saw it coming, with all the seasonal cosmetics, but at least they didn't nerf how many in game currency you earned first haha What a dumb move. They should have just nerfed it from the beginning if they were going to do this.
Live service games are not my favourite. In fact, I really don't like them.
They should have leaved the Avengers franchise alone and made up their own new heroes. I actually think it would made it a much more successful game. It would definitely be a much less hated one.
I really wish a big game developer makes a superhero themed triple A game with all new heroes by the way.
Really so sad our fav hobby got so scummy, even exclusives, look at gts with their so high priced in game credit cars and selling each for real money.
Takes forever to earn in game. Pff.. i uninstalled it.
I as a general rule do not buy mtx or dlc at all. Any game that has them has zero effect on me. I bought Marvel Avengers when it hit $24.99 new physical. I enjoyed what I have played so far.
Is Square Enix trying to botch the launch of the Guardians of the Galaxy game? I'd even say it looks very promising, but it will probably flop anyways with how much good faith Square Enix has lost. One thing's for sure, I couldn't be happier I skipped the Marvel's Avengers game. I feel bad for the staff at Crystal Dynamics because clearly they have many competent people who worked on Tomb Raider, but leadership and publisher decisions are going downhill fast.
@mephistosghost To be fair it has no online component - so if they keep it that way it should be a decent single player campaign like Avengers.
SE publish some pretty good games and have had a strong year, but Avengers was a bad misstep and hopefully GotG can show what a single player offline game is capable of.
"upcoming experiences such as Marvel's Avengers are starting to shift things towards a much fairer model."
Remember the time that Push simped for live service games and Avengers in particular?
@Olmaz Do it good or just leave it. Look at Demon Souls no Raytracing but it looks brilliant i rather have that. Ubisoft games are mediocre games at best and the brilliant games the Indies (Child of Light) are games we dont get nearly enough.
@JohnKarnes I almost never buy DLC but there are enough quality DLC expansions that i rather buy then Avengers. Last of Us/Ghost of Thushima/Bloodborne and even AC Syndicate even was fun. Small DLC for Monster Hunter World because they had a solid basegame and free content.
The nerve of these publishers. This is pure greed but to outright lie about the game is appalling. Please let's see tighter gambling regulations and stop this ASAP.
This feels like breaking a game and saying pay us more and we’ll put it back. Pretty scummy.
@Integrity @Kevw2006 I disagree this doesn’t hurt anyone. The trouble is that the whole game is designed around completely needless grind. You are meant to be a superhero but to unlock all your abilities etc. tou already had to grind an unreasonable amount, far longer after the normal player was bored.
The developers are WELL aware of the grinding mechanics, they are deliberately aiming it at gamers with minor (or major) addictions, OCD etc. It’s cynical design purposefully aimed at these sorts of players using terms like ‘player engagement’. It’s the scummy side of this industry that IMO sits in the same camp as loot boxes, gacha etc.
@themightyant you're agreeing with me not disagreeing. The hurt I assumed Kevin meant was as in physical pain so I meant that.
Everything you just said is exactly how I feel about it 100%, and it saddens me when people can't see past their own experience to think about the bigger picture.
@Integrity Yes, sorry didn't make that as clear as intended.
Was disagreeing with Kevw2000 and cc'ing you in... unsuccessfully as it turns out
As you said they are creating the problem and then selling the solution. It's sad and hurts gamers.
What I really worry about is that I don't think the game has done quite as badly as many think, and this sort of thing will continue.
It's the 7th best selling game of the year (from launch in Sep 2020 - Aug 2021) according to NPD results, that's impressive considering how many are usual annual appearaneces in the top 10 (COD, AC, Sports titles) Add Game Pass and PS Now money plus Battle Passes and now Booster MTX. I think it's probably done more than well enough to see more of this BS, even if it wasn't as much as originally hoped.
SE has people paying them $15 a month to play FF14 and still need to pay $40 to play the expansion Endwaker next month. Nintendo sell Smash Brother for $60... and then another $55 of season passes (that just like a GaaS game gives you new character and a new board for a game you already own) Disgaea 6 sells you $3 characters, a Season Pass and a Booster Pack. Trails of Clod Steel IV has a $25 booster pack... You can just not buy those also
This only gets mentioned (or ignored) when convenient and fits the latest online narrative towards a game or publisher.
Avengers sold like crap for the same reason MUA3 did... They were mediocre games not worth $60
the online side of this game is a hot mess, playing through the campaign having fun.id never of bothered until it popped up on gamepass.
@Integrity Oh sure because every game with an expansion pack removes content./s Bungie's problem is they're too cheap to make a sequel and they use their vault as an excuse but that doesn't mean expansions don't work.
@RavenWolfe81 but I was specifically talking about Destiny because that what thenother bloke mentioned.
I didn't say it about all expansion packs so don't worry.
@Agramonte fine. We were talking about this game though. If other games are creating a problem to sell the solution then they are just as bad.
@Agramonte Still a disgrace also with Tales but Japanese companies are kings in these things.
Koei Tecmo is the king with sickening DLC if you look at the amounts of MT with a full priced games. Dead or Alive changing your hair color to the amount of costumes is sick.
I would say its singleplayer only with Tales but the next step will be a new way to make you buy. Look at the Avengers and AC for a example for faster leveling up.
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