Nintendo Switch is a runaway freight train, seeing impressive success several years into its cycle. As you may be aware, the company recently announced a revised hardware model, the Nintendo Switch OLED, but despite including a better screen – similar to that employed by the PS Vita almost a decade ago – it’s leveraging the same internals as its predecessor and priced at a $50 premium.
Analysts believe that, at this mature stage in the machine’s lifespan, the OLED is only adding around $10 to production costs, meaning that Nintendo is pocketing the difference. It’s a seismic change for the industry, which has generally seen hardware costs come down as a console ages. We witnessed a similar story with the PlayStation 4, where the PS4 Pro actually kept the base cost of Sony’s last-gen console quite high – although the rebooted box obviously did boast beefier hardware.
According to The Japan Times (subscription), as reported by Nintendo Life, the PlayStation maker is “closely monitoring” the Nintendo Switch OLED, with Ace Research Institute analyst Hideki Yasuda noting that the handheld “could set a precedent for charging more across the industry”. Sony, of course, hasn’t been able to keep PS5 stock on shelves since launch last year, suggesting it could have gotten away with a higher price point.
Obviously, it’s still to be determined how the Nintendo Switch OLED will perform: our colleagues at Nintendo Life note that the reaction from consumers has been mixed, and shares in the manufacturer are down “roughly five per cent” since its reveal. But you can never count out the Japanese firm, and we wouldn’t be surprised if this new model kept its hybrid system healthy for years to come.
[source japantimes.co.jp, via nintendolife.com]
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I blame scalper culture, making companies go “hmm, look at what these suckers are willing to pay!” I think you see it in the pricing of NVidia’s latest GPU’s too. The 3080Ti for example.
I'm surprised a PS5 price increase hasn't happened sooner, tbh. It's basic economics: supply drops so prices rise. The supply of PS5s plummeted but the £450 price has stuck around (retail only, obv).
It might be too late as supply seems to be improving but never say never with Sony
There's always a market for "premium" hardware. The Xbox Elite controller sold pretty well also, which still blows my mind. I'm shocked Sony never jumped in with an "elite" DS4.
I probably won't buy one outright, but if I can upgrade it for $100 or so by trading in my old Switch, why wouldn't I? It's a decent upgrade from V1. Double the battery life. OLED screen. Double the internal memory. Better kickstand. etc.
Thanks for that cursed image in the article header, btw. lmao
I'm getting a mid tier steam deck. Why would I buy a 30fps switch now that this bad boy is around the corner?
How come people moan about the 50$ price increase for a new screen and revamped dock, but they don't have any issue with the PS5 adding an extra 100$ for a simple blu ray player over the digital edition???
@Loftimus Me too, I was reading about these last night I have been considering a gaming laptop but this Steam Deck looks the business in the absence of a new Sony hand held!
I also thought this could be why Sony acquired the PC port studio knowing that Sony games on the go can be a thing again if this works as well as it seems. Love the tracker pads
@Rhaoulos I think it's pretty obvious the PS5 Digital Edition is being sold at an enormous loss.
@Rhaoulos tbf, in case of the PS5 it's not about making additional $$$ on the BD player but rather eating the additional discount on the digital edition and making it back by restricting game purchases to the PS Store.
The digital edition is sold at a bigger loss than the regular one.
@Rhaoulos I think it is more to do with people were expecting more power out of the new Switch, if you play it docked like me then there is literally no need to upgrade! Although I must be honest I am still tempted as the new colour scheme will look good next to my PS5
This has to be the first time where a console I bought less than a year ago is worth more than what I paid for it. Weird times.
Why would Nintendo drop the price when its clearly still selling and people will pay that price. If I remember correctly from that 'Apple vs Epic' trial, Nintendo are the 'only' company right now not making a 'loss' on every Switch sold where as both MS and Sony are not making any profit at all from sales of their PS5/Series Consoles. I am sure the 'all-digital' versions are taking more of loss too a Bluray drive and all the necessary parts to include one is not more than £30-40 difference - but its also likely to have a 'bigger' profit margin on Games to offset that...
I think that Sony are in different position to Nintendo as they are also competing with PC and Xbox consoles as 'static' hardware vs a Mobile device. People will pay ridiculous money for a Mobile phone and then baulk at paying more than $500 for a Console that can 'compete' with PC's costing twice as much.
The question for Sony (and MS) seems to be more 'How much are we willing to 'lose' on each unit?'. If you are losing say $100 a unit, which may not sound a lot, but if you are selling 6m-10m a year, that's $600m-1bn a 'year' that they are 'losing' and a LOT of money they expect 'gamers' to replace by buying Software, peripherals, services etc - may explain why Sony expect us PS5 owners to pay 'extra' for PS5 versions...
@Mostik Saddly you're right. I blame all the idiots spreading rumours about a hypothetical and stupidly named "Switch pro".
@Voltan @get2sammyb I know you guys are both right, but it's still a $100 difference for a blu-ray player that adds nothing at all in terms of comfort, unlike a bigger screen and better dock. I'm not defending Nintendo, but if there is a demand for a premium version for both consoles, they might as well get something extra out of it. At the end of the PS5 life cycle, there won't be a loss for the digital edition, just pocketing an extra $80+ (?) for each standard ps5 since components get cheaper over time.
I see that Nintendo's approach to their games, i.e. shovel out old gen stuff with barely any polish added and sell for full price on the Switch, is starting to apply to their hardware too. Just money for old rope, essentially, as they haven't changed basically anything but the screen. Same potato hardware specs.
MVG did a video saying why this was hugely disappointing, especially being kneecapped by 4GB of RAM which is looking a little paltry considering Series X/PS5 are rocking a healthier 16GB. It's hard to expect more "impossible ports" like DOOM and The Witcher 3 when everyone's going to Unreal Engine 5 and it really needs the 8GB as a baseline, and ideally that 8GB with a much higher memory bandwidth than the Switch is capable of.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYJOJj40ONQ
@get2sammyb glad I’ve just managed to bag myself a PS5 digital to go with my disc version. I can see Christmas being a nightmare for some parents trying to get one
@Loftimus Same, I hope I can snag one. I still cannot get a PS5 but if I can get a Steam Deck then that and my PS4 will do for a while until PS5s are easily found. Sold my Switch last night and I am not looking back as I don't think Nintendo will ever try and keep up and I just cannot keep playing games on my tv at 720p lol.
If the steam deck does well it could really shake up the console landscape to a certain extent. Having it steal the OLED switch's thunder is well deserved. Nintendo should be ignored for bringing such a tone deaf device to the market.
@PSoneboi Switch games run 1080p on TV. 720p is on handheld.
Don’t think steam deck will hurt anything. At its price point, I would rather buy PS5 if I want to play as docked. But if you have a large steam library, then that might be different. Even then, you can easily stream to TV from pc. As a handheld, I don’t think 2-8 hours battery life and odd button placement would be ideal for that.
At $540 in my neck of the woods,personally don't find the OLED Switch great value when it still has the same drift-prone joycons & largely unchanged tech if you're playing it docked 🤔 But given the devoted Ninty collectors,I don't doubt it'll sell.
That said the new Steam portable will be attractive to modders given they've already said it can have Windows installed on it too & access to emulators,your steam & other pc store fronts too.
But without an increase in storage/features,it would be a hard sell to increase the ps5's price if your main competitor keeps it's price unchanged on Series X.
@The_New_Butler Didn’t know that. I play Switch for its unique games, not for graphic though. To be honest, games I play in switch, never notice the bad graphics. Rarely play as handheld though. Anyway my main driver is PS4 and now PS5.
Ah for a minute there I thought it was going to be 'Sony monitoring Switch OLED to assess their handheld future"
@mrbone Sorry I worded this wrong. I meant to say many don't even run at 720p on the handheld. Also, if many of the games are running at 1080p on my tv then I'd be really surprised as they look way worse than anything running on my base PS4 which is also running 1080p. Dragon Quest 11 is a great example of the Switch version looking so much worse on my tv then the PS4 version.
@Loftimus Probably because it'll be unsupported in 2 years.
Nah, Sony did the right thing with the price points, drive many people away if you charge 500 plus let's say, also they only really sell the console as a bundle now so imagine the higher cost and as a bundle it wouldn't be right.
@Rhaoulos You are looking at it from the wrong direction. It's not that the Blu Ray player costs an extra $100 it's that lack of a Blu Ray Player reduces the cost by $100. It may seem like semantics; but it's not.
No one is saying that the Blu Ray drive costs $100; but locking you into the digital store front is worth Sony giving you a $100 discount because they will make a larger profit from you in the long run.
@get2sammyb How does the ps5 digital being sold at a bigger loss distract from the point he's making though? 100 dollars extra for blueray edition is still 100 dollars extra isn't it?
All new hardware makes a loss. That's not the burden of the consumer.
@Bleachedsmiles Its not $100 extra for the Blu Ray, its a $100 discount for not having a Blu Ray (not the same thing!). Sony is willing to give you a discount thats much larger than the drive is worth, to lock you into their storefront.
@Loftimus Yup! Me too. I was about to go and ahead to pre-order the Switch OLED, but the Steam Deck is basically the Switch Pro I wanted. Plus I have a steam library of 700+ games so why not.
@get2sammyb @BAMozzy "Why would Nintendo drop the price when its clearly still selling and people will pay that price."
This article feels woefully inadequate looking at what Nintendo has done the past few years before the Switch OLED.
Wii U - launched at $299 and $349. About 6 months later they dropped the cheaper model and lowered the cost of the more expensive one to $299, the price of the cheaper one. Then for another 4 years while sales floundered they never once lowered the price. It died still selling at $299. So to say Nintendo hasn't lowered the Switch price b/c it's selling well misses the point of Nintendo, they don't lower prices even when things are selling poorly either.
The 3DS launched at $249 and a few months lated after dismal sales they dropped the price to $169. And it stayed there until the New 3DS launched. And then the New 3DS XL which launched at $199 and stayed there until it died. They also had a 2DS which launched at $129, and lowered to $99 then only $79. Then 2DS was replaced by New 2DS XL and that sold for $149, nearly double the old 2DS price.
So I don't think you can read anything into what Nintendo has done with the Switch OLED price, they didn't lower the price on their poorly selling Wii U for its last 3 years and they doubled the price on 2DS to New 2DS XL. Making money is what they do.
MS and Sony are price competitors no doubt, Nintendo does what Nintendo does, new, old, poor selling, great selling, they price stuff and it tends to stay there. Switch is 4 years old, $299. When was the last time any Sony or MS console held its launch price for over 4 years from launch? I think that's a bigger story than adding $50 for a better screen.
Ive been gaming more away from home lately and was really hoping for a Switch Pro as my Switch gathered dust up until recently and it’s really underwhelming even mostly using it for indies, but, I’m now really freaking excited for the Steam Deck and I’m planning on buying the top tier version. There is no way in hell I’d pick a Switch over a Steam Deck, Nintendo doesn’t have that many great titles. Most are okay, aimed at kids, and are way too easy in that regard to the point of being boring.
@thedevilsjester why does the reasoning behind the price difference matter more than the price difference itself? The reason can be they want to lock you into buying those £70 digital games they make more profit on...you're still only getting a blueray drive difference with the disc ps5 correct?
@Rhaoulos I've already saved well over $100 ordering physical copies for my PS5 at £50-55 or even less instead of the £69.99 most have to spend for digital copies, so there's that to consider I suppose.
I have seen alot of people complain just how barebones the OLED Switch was since its reveal , but I dont know what people were expecting when the world is facing the biggest chip shortage in recent memory from all manufacturers. it would of been an miracle for nintendo to release the Switch 4k pro that was rumoured .
All the rumours that people were reporting that said a new version of the switch was coming before Nintendo revealed it were pretty accurate . So if I were to make a guess Nintendo got cold feet last second knowing about the chip shortage but already ordered the OLED Screens from Samsung and had to put them to use in some way .
Regardless whatever actually happened , it would be naive to think we will never see switch 2 within the next 3-4 years with all the promised specs that were rumoured before .
I got a PS5 this year so I can't justify another big hardware purchase in a single year but if I was in the market for one I'd definitely be looking at the Steam Deck more than the Switch OLED. The potential of that thing is immense.
But as for charging more for the same hardware more or less, Sony should tred carefully following Nintendo. Nintendo is an anomaly of the industry. They get away with things the other two console manufacturers just can't. It's 2021 and you still can't send a message of any kind to someone on your friends list! I enjoy some of the games on Switch but I would be lying if I said I was satisfied with the hardware.
But in the end my opinion matters little since Nintendo does just fine anyway. But my point is just because Nintendo can get away with highway robbery doesn't mean Sony necessarily can!😆
@Loftimus It doesn't work like that. You can't get a 30fps console, or any other FPS console for that matter. I really would have thought a PC gamer would know that.
@thedevilsjester Good, we agree it's not a matter of cost, but what you get out of it. Since the dock includes an Ethernet port, and the ethernet adapter for the vanilla dock costs $30, article about a $50 price increase make no sense.
Following the same logic, it's an extra $50 for a bigger screen and Nintendo not selling accessories that should have been included in the dock since day one.
@Bleachedsmiles
The reasoning is extremely important. The claim is that Sony is selling you a Blu Ray drive upgrade for $100 when the Blu Ray drive itself probably doesn't cost more than $20-$30.
Thats not what is happening, at all, and it's an important distinction. You are getting a discount when you get the "Digital Only" version. $20-$30 of the discount is certainly from the lack of the Blu Ray drive hardware, but the rest of the discount ~$70 is a cost that Sony is willing to eat to lock you into only buying games from them.
People see a $100 price difference and immediately assume that its exclusively for the hardware difference (and that cost just doesn't add up); but its not, there is a lot more to the digital versions discount than the price of the Blu Ray drive.
@Old-Red I saved hundreds of pounds on PS4 buying phisical games instead of digital ones. All I'm saying is that people are comparing the manufacturing cost to the retail price for the switch, but refuse to do the same for the PS5. This makes no sense whatsoever.
@Rhaoulos We need to remind ourselves that Nintendo are a company that sold the PLUG for the 3DS separate from the handheld. Imagine that....you spend hundreds on new hardware yet the thing that powers it isn't included. Crazy. But nintendo did it.
@Rhaoulos I don't honestly care about a trivial price increase or decrease for Nintendo hardware one way or the other (the new model isn't a change that I find appealing enough to upgrade to regardless of price), I was just commenting on the notion that Sony is charging $100 for a simple Blu Ray player.
@thedevilsjester oh I totally get the reasoning behind it. But that reasoning isn't being sold on the box. On the box the difference is the Blueray...and that's all that should concern the consumer. I guess that's what I thought he was getting at.
@get2sammyb Yeah isn't only Nintendo that actually make money on the hardware starting with the Wii console onwards to the Switch?
sooooo, PS5 Pro might be more cash. Ps6 might be $800-$1000............
@Bleachedsmiles
It should definitely concern the consumer (even if it doesn't). The amount of money I have saved on buying new copies of physical titles that are half the price in retail as they are on the PS store, would have paid for a few PS5's already. Save $100 today, to pay considerably more in the long run.
Steam Deck isn't even an OLED plus it won't be able to run everything in your Library. 64GB storage for a so called portable PC is a joke too. Would rather buy a Switch OLED where I can install most of my games rather than Stream them assuming the Steam Deck will be able to do that.
Besides I already have 2 gaming PCs, one Desktop and a Laptop so technically I can already bring my Steam Library with me right now if I'm staying with someone.
@Rhaoulos they're two completely different things. Nintendo is charging a premium for a hardware revision of an old piece of technology. Sony, on the other hand, is offering 2 different price points for a brand new piece of technology.
so what if a new version of the ps5 came out are sony trying to see if they can charge more for it than the usual price decrease
@RSX901 I'm not a PC gamer but the steam deck is a lot more powerful than the switch. The switch is ancient in terms of tech and Im going to stick with what I said and call it a 30fps machine.
@tameshiyaku Remember the Steam Machine? same thing will happen again with this thing. I'll be very surprised if it does manage to find its footing but I'm extremely doubtful about that.
I'm really interested to see how steam new portable gaming fares, it's only $400, the specs is 2TF (more than ps4), and you can dock it to play on tv, if it comfortable to play maybe it will become some sort of ps4 portables with all the 3rd party and sony exclusives on it.
If steam can do it, I hope sony make ps4 portables too, the games already there, no need to make special games only for that ps4 portables, unlike psp and psvita.
@RubyCarbuncle hmmm we'll see. It sounds brilliant and, other than dodgy placement of the sticks and buttons, i think this has the potential to do really well. This is actually being developed by Valve, unlike those steam machines which were being made by all and sundry.
Will it hit Nintendo particularly? Probably not, but i hope its gives them a real kick up the arse given the Switch OLED situation.
Oh and Sony are looking at the switch OLED? Good. I hope they are ritually kicking each other up the backside. They had the potential to really disrupt the handheld market with the Vita. And they dropped the ball. Massively. The Vita - an 11 year old console - continues to offer features that this new switch model does not. And it deserved so much better from Sony
@Rob_230 Mhm we'll see I guess. Admittedly the Switch OLED was a disappointment for me too but at the same time I didn't set my expectations too high. I think it was silly to expect a 4K Switch now tbh but lol it's the internet I guess people will believe anything.
I don't understand this headline.
Sony had a perfectly good handheld and didn't support it properly.
So what's the craic here then?
The Steam deck looks good - trouble is, it won't have Nintendo games on it. Legally.
@Dan_ozzzy189 Switch OLED is very weak hardware for only $50 cheaper than PS5 digital edition and only $100 cheaper than PS5 disc edition. If Switch OLED is successful, Sony will likely price future PS5 models as more expensive like a PS5 Pro for $599.
I don't understand who would want one of these. Even with a trade-in you're spending more for an almost negligible difference.
People with money to burn really be ruining it for us poor folk. I can't get a PS5 and Nintendo is getting rewarded with profits (as usual) for another lackluster attempt at an upgrade. Sigh.
@Grumblevolcano I thought for a minute they were thinking of a ps5 portable.
@RubyCarbuncle well then it's pretty obvious that you ain't the target audience dude/dudess
@Ralizah I would love to go for a Switch eventuallyvbut this upgrade was really dissapointing. And i read that a lot of games where you need to download a lot of game. (no idea if its true) But i think i can wait a little longer. Some really nice games on there but i hate the Nintendo way with stuff sold where a lot of people want it and there is almost sold out the second its annouced. I guess i ll just wait because why pay the premium for those really dissapointing upgrades. Its kinda weird that the PS Vita had a higher resolution years ago.
@RubyCarbuncle I agree about the 4K idea but 1440P or 900P in handheld mode the more i hear about the upgrade the more i see how much the PS Vita was in the race.
@Dan_ozzzy189 I would love to see a PS Vita with a small upgrade inside and the 900P was better the Switch already. Drop it at €199/225 with cheaper storage maybe some games with unlocking rewards across the Playstation platform. PS1/PS2 compatible TV out. They just should have made the PS1 portable instead of the mini.
@Flaming_Kaiser PS Vita DIDN'T have a higher resolution screen. It was 544p vs the 720p screen on the Switch. And despite all the (perfectly valid) complaints about subnative games on Switch, plenty of Vita games also didn't hit the screen's max resolution like Uncharted, P4G, Gravity Rush, etc.
As for games that feature mandatory downloads, I don't own any. The vast, vast majority of Switch games don't have this issue. A few AAA ports have them because of the large file sizes (and big cartridges are expensive), which really aren't that different from AAA games on PS4 with gigantic patches. A few other games are collections that make you download one or more of the games to save space.
I can't think of any indie, exclusive, or AA games that do this, which are the sort of games almost everyone buys the Switch to play in the first place.
I'll just stick to older games if the price continues to go up
@Rhaoulos For me it was the simple fact that a good retail stand alone 4K blu-ray player is much more expensive. It was a deal at half the cost or more. Same as the blu-ray in the PS3 sold consoles.
The screen is the only reason I don't own a switch! If Nintendo had a lower cost stand alone switchless console I would have purchased one long ago! I don't need or want a mobile gaming platform. I own a vita and a smart phone for that but its extremely rare I use them for that purpose. I have a 43" 4K TV that's dedicated for my PC and PS5 only.
@RubyCarbuncle history doesn't have to repeat itself. The steam machines were an unfocused attempt to streamline PC gaming hardware by bringing out dozens of different machines, which begged the question "what's the purpose". The steam Deck is a much more focused approach which also brings a solution to mobile PC gaming. There are other machines like it, but not backed by a big player like valve.
I doubt OLED will change the sales pace of Switch, and it would have sold roughly the same with or without it. Switch itself just sells. Also, the $50 price isn't just for the screen, I did forget it also includes more storage as well, so even if it's $10 and $20, it's still $20 upcharge.
I think the scalpers situation confirms consoles could get away costing more. But then there's a problem with that. If the goal is to sell as much hardware as possible at the highest profit possible, raising prices would make sense for them. If the goal is to flood the market with cheap hardware to sell a ton of games, reducing the size of the market but raising the margin on hardware is kind of self defeating.
I fully expect after the scalper situation though, PS6 will be no less than $800. And once up to that point, it makes PC a lot, lot more enticing.
I definitely dislike seeing the video game industry go from a mass market commodity into this weird ultra-premium rich-boys-toys market though. It's very very uncomfortable.
@Loftimus same reason you buy a PlayStation for the exclusives.
a glorified fisher-price ipad .
@Ralizah I stand corrected you are right no idea how i got that idea. Still believe the pricehike is not great still believe ill wait for a real upgrade im not waiting for a 4K thing but a 1440P docked and 900P/1080P handheld mode would be nice. As cool as the 3DS was their strong point never really was graphics. But who knows maybe a Metriod console will persuade me.
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@Rhaoulos It’s all about expectations. I think if digital would have been $500 regular would have been $600 people would have been mad. Reality is people atleast people I know also pods I follow expected PlayStation 5 to sell for $500 so when digital came out it was like cool this one is a $100 cheaper since we weren’t expecting it verses looking at it as the regular is $100 more expensive. People are mad about the switch price jumping because people were expecting more upgrades so when there was only a screen upgrade and it then you hike up the price people are upset because it doesn’t feel like you changed much but your charging more again it’s all about expectations.
@Flaming_Kaiser Even the Steam Deck is only 800p, which really surprised me. I thought Nintendo was nuts with the 720p thing, but maybe not as much as it seems.
@NEStalgia Its still so low i would not want to have a 720p Phone but maybe im expecting to much of it. Gaming on the go is awsome but i dont use public transportation. If i have a choice to play on a big screen or handheld ill always go for the TV maybe its for the best i never bought one.
@Flaming_Kaiser Yeah, I'm not necessarily a fan of the low res, though at the size (at least of the non-OLED) the ppi is actually OK. But i buy crazy high res phones because I deal with a lot of small text. OTOH the crazy high res phones recommend the default of 1080p scaled on your semi-4k phone. Maybe I'm the crazy one
I spend a lot of time gaming off the screen, but yeah, between OLED model preorder mess, and not quite being able to justify starting a 4th platform library with Steam Deck, I'm looking into the middle ground of a big tablet and a PS Now & Game Pass sub.... Never thought I'd embrace cloud, but here I am (Plus local streaming from PS5 & XSX, but I hate putting extra hours run-time on those while they're so scarce to replace, so I'd rather use them only on the 4k screen!)
I think my interest in the OLED switch probably stems from trying to repair the hole in my heart left by Vita those years ago, anyway....
@NEStalgia Handhelds don't need to be super high res to look good, so there's no sense in flushing performance down the toilet by aiming high in that regard. With its specs, Switch probably would have fared better if it targeted the resolution of the Vita's screen, since so many games run at 540p anyway.
@Ralizah lol, yeah I was gonna say, what performance is there to flush away? .
Raise prices so Valve can swoop in with the aggressively priced steam deck I guess.
@ATaco
Aggressively priced? How so? The base model is $399 and the top tier is $649. That's expensive for a portable with no dock, an unknown battery life and compatibility concerns.
Loved my switch. Played it on my long daily commute. Played it docked on weekends.
Since I got my ps5 I now watch YT on the train and play my ps5 nearly every night. And i have zero interest in buying another switch for minimal upgrades especially now I know about the actual production cost increase of $10.
Hey Nintendo - pump that $40 per machine you're creaming off the top into fixing the awful online store.
@lacerz
Try finding a gaming laptop at that price with those specs. You'll quickly see that they don't come cheap. As for battery life, that's already been revealed. Compatibility? Again, already been answered. I would suggest checking out their FAQ before making assumptions about the device. It's quite the ambitious piece of kit which makes the price point all the more impressive. Gabe himself even said that they're taking the hit in the hopes that the device catches on. They at least seem more committed than they did with the steam machine.
I would legit buy a $600 or $700 Playstation. I use it all the time and love my consoles. All Sony has to do is make it the Pro version. They definitely could get away with a for-profit Playstation the market is ready.
these decisions are a result of brainless consumers who don't value their money and splurge on each and every new gadget that hits the streets. shop therapy, hype culture, media manipulation — call it what you want. should consumers go crazy over the switch oled, nintendo will have won yet again and get the message that yes, consumers want to spend more and receive less value in return. most consumers are too emotional with their decision making and have no idea how to manage their finances or what a budget is. and so here were are... a world where corporations are able to dictate what you and i should purchase. some people can see through the facade while most cannot.
@Loftimus because you want to play new entries in Fire Emblem, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Pokemon, and all the other Nintendo exclusives that will never come out natively on a PC or other manufacturer's console? That is why I own all the current gen systems and a decent gaming machine... I remain platform agnostic and just play the games that make me happy.
I feel like prices for gaming is a bubble that's on the brink of bursting, you know? Games, game consoles, game production, and PC parts are all going up in prices drastically. Something has got to give or things might start to fall apart.
I've started renting games online because I can't afford the new stuff. I hope companies don't get too greedy from all of this.
@Omnistalgic ...Please no. Hahahaha!! Honestly, how many people can actually afford a machine that expensive? Costs may go up, but I wouldn't be surprised if it came at the cost of losing quite literally tons of fans. I finally got a PS5 last week, but I wouldn't have paid a dime more for it.
@Rhaoulos I got the disc PS5, and I get what you're saying, but at least it gives me the option to buy games cheaper at launch. For me at least. Once I have bought 5-10 PS5 games, I've already made up the difference. So it's actually cheaper for me in the long run.
I don't think they will change the ps5 base model price but it makes sense that revisions with bigger internal storage will have a different price point where sony make less of a loss. People really don't want a switch pro, when you break it down they want a more powerful switch 2 that's backwards compatible. The hard truth for nintendo is that their core market is families and they care little about what enthusiasts think. Switches still fly off shelves over the world and plenty handheld gamers will buy the new model regardless.
@Rhaoulos because the ps5 is sold at a loss, clearly. It's incredible value for money. The opposite with Ninty hardware.
It would be a PR disaster to increase the price now, it's been too long. Normally it would be time to start thinking about a price cut!
@Loftimus because of Mario, Pockemon, Zelda, etc that are selling crazy, and only 10% cheaper 4 years after their release! I think people are nowadays hypnotised by Nintendo characters, paying a lot for whatever that has Mario in it!
Sure... more greed will help things. Hows the new software price working out?
How did the PS3 launch go again with that high price? Short memory leads to disaster.
Don't get too greedy now Jim or it will create another PR nightmare you seem to be so great at doing this generation. Really reminds me of the PS3 generation coming back again...
Just wait for a nice PS5 Slim in a couple of years for $50 more.
Nintendo can sell their stuff at whatever price they want and put it on sale (once every 2 years) and folks will eat it up and the concensus will say it's the best thing ever and buy it anyway. Nothing is gonna change that.
The double standard remains.
If Sony decides to increase prices by one dollar (or the equivalent to where you live), the internet will catch fire because of the outrage -"How can Sony do this?! Businesses don't need money to make more things! We expect top tier quality games all the time but they gotta give it to us for free!"
Entitlement...
@NEStalgia im staying with my PS4 now untill the PS5 is available normally the good thing about that is probably get a few revisions. I will go through my backlog with a insane amount of games which makes me wonder if i should start buying less games. Ubisoft games, Activision, EA games i will start buying way later if at all because i noticed i dont even finish them anymore because they are so boring. And i just cant sell handheld gaming to myself because im not going outside to game and i dont commute driving a car and playing the Switch isnt a good idea. 🤪
@B_Lindz yeah, I get that...But I think you follow the Apple model and actually release a good base unit that the majority are satisfied with (like iPhone 11 vs. Max) and the Pro model of PS5 Sony can sell for profit. It would be for the enthusiast, so a higher price is okay IMO.
@Korgon "But in the end my opinion matters little since Nintendo does just fine anyway."
This is the truth. I have all three consoles, and the Nintendo is, by far, my least favorite. I think the games aren't as good as the other two consoles, their philosophy of doing barebones remasters and selling them at full price is questionable, and their stuff never gets discounted. They are a distant third place for me. Mario and Zelda are fun, but I don't like them as much as God of War, Ghost of Tsushima, Gears of War, and Ori. As you said, my opinion doesn't matter, as they're doing perfectly fine without me buying up all their games.
@ATaco
But none of these questions are truly answered. Buzz words and PR snips captured in a company FAQ are not answers.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2021-valve-steam-deck-spec-analysis
@Rhaoulos 4K blu ray players cost more than $100.00…..I’m not sure why people have missed this over and over since they announced prices.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/promo/4k-ultra-hd-smart-bluray-players-150971
@lacerz
The article you linked me notes that the biggest hurdle to compatibility will be developer buy in. They'll have to optimize performance settings specifically for the platform and they'll only do that if there's a market for it...and as I said earlier, the console is aggressively priced for what it offers.
You have to understand that this is not the norm for PC technology, for a closer comparison you only need look at the GDP Win3 Handheld PC from Windows which goes for upwards of $1000. Normally these devices are aimed at enthusiasts but every way you look at it, it seems that Valve is trying to capture the more casual gamers and bring them into the PC ecosystem.
I will give you that Valve has released some real clunkers in the past but at the price point they're launching this at they're definitely taking a loss and I feel that they'll definitely try hard to support it. Fan feedback from what I've seen has been positive too, so things are looking good for the device.
At least, I can only hope so. Nintendo has held a monopoly on handheld gaming for far too long and them having some competition -you'll at least be able to play 3rd party games available on both systems with better performance on the steam deck- can only be a good thing for consumers.
@BerryD
Stand-alone players do, but internal drives that can read UHD Discs don't.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/LG-BU40N-ARAA10B-Ultra-Slim-Internal-Blu-Ray/dp/B071CPRK74
@ATaco
I'm not at all discounting this device. I'm just saying that it has a lot to prove before it can justify a purchase. And that's the double edged sword. Consumer buy in will be based on developer support, but developer support will be based on consumer buy in.
@BerryD
One of the reasons I bought a PS3 near launch was because the cost of a standalone Blu-ray player was almost identical. I did wait until WB threw their weight in support of Blu-ray over HD DVD though.
@Flaming_Kaiser IDK driving and playing switch doesn't sound any less safe than what most people seem to be doing That's why I refuse to do in store pre-order pickups.
Haha yeah, the backlog is real. PS5 right now is just a PS4 Pro Plus. That's not an entirely bad thing but since there's only a few games it enhances, really, I sometimes wonder why I have it. In reality I'll be playing PS4/x1 games I haven't yet played for the next 6 years!
Especially being in all 3 ecosystems (I was so tempted by steam deck but jumping into a fourth ecosystem is insanity, even if games are cheaper there. And psvr2 is next year. Do I even want to preorder? The pre-order PTSD may prevent that.) I have all the ps (or Japan ps/pc) games still on my backlog, all of them huge RPGs, plus all the xb 3rd party games, plus trying out PS360 era games that run much better now on Series (never did get to the last of the ff13 trilogy and it's now 4k on xb....), Plus switch..... I think I've only bought one PS5 title to date (miles). R&C is a must but I'll buy it later in the year. HZDFW....I haven't even finished the first yet! I'm now waiting for the inevitable directors cut before investing more time into it. It's the only major game without a PS5 patch. We KNOW they're going to do it...
Then add in game pass so I get to try all kinds of things plus all the ms third party .. And that includes cloud streaming with cross save... And who knows what the Netflix/PSNow thing might be. And then the new high/double dip pricing schemes aren't really encouraging me to buy much more....
It's the best of times, it's the worst of times in gaming!
@electrolite77 still close to £60.00 pretax. That’s also an LG drive different manufacturer. So while you have a point it’s literally coming down to a $100.00 difference here in the US getting you a dedicated 4K player and next Gen machine. It’s silly to complain.
@lacerz smart man I’m not trying to brow beat anyone but it’s simple. UHD disc players are not cheap. You’re getting a UHD player and a next Gen machine it’s a deal. Don’t buy it if you don’t like it.
Ohhh maybe they'll do a nitendo digital sale when it comes out.
Zelda breath of wild 70% off 45.99.
Mario Odyssey 75% off 39.99. 😂
@lacerz At the very least, being able to play a massive backlog spanning generations of PC games off the steam library should be enticing to many. I feel as though at minimum we should expect steam games that have already been released to work, since they showed games like control and Jedi fallen order running on the device and even older games like Factorio.
Where the device has to really prove itself will be how it handles things like playing games from Origin, or how well it'll run stuff off Gamepass or emulation, for those looking at those options.
But still, even if I could only play steam library games on the go at a (comparatively) cheaper price than the competition, that's still a heck of an argument to make for purchasing it. At least for me.
I really hope Sony doesn't increase console prices because if so I'm jumping ship to pc
@electrolite77 You are talking about the 'cost' to the Public on a Single Unit (inc and Packaging etc). There is the 'cost' to make it and 'profit' for the manufacturer, then there is the Distributor and their profits and then you have the retailer and their profits as they won't work for free...
Companies like Sony and MS go direct to the Manufacturer and buy in Bulk - getting them much closer to the 'cost' price. Going Direct can save 50% or more.
Even if Sony could make a PS5 with 'Disc' for say $350, by the time distribution and retailer profit margins are factored in, It would end up closer to $700 so they may have to sell it at a loss to the Distributor so they can sell it to the Retailer to sell at a Profit at $500 because the retailer or distributor won't work for free or at a loss - plus any local Taxes to the government too...
If the cost price per unit to the Public is $100 per unit, the cost to make is going to be a LOT less and in the case of UHD Bluray Players, Sony can use their 'own' at 'cost' price. In the UK, TAX is 20% so £90 of that £450 price point is going to the Government. The remaining £360 must also have the retailer Profit, the 'distributors' profit and any 'shipping' costs too..
@Ralizah Except you don't even get fair performance from the Switch. It's a 30fps machine on occasion with frequent drops into the teens in some of its biggest titles.
@BerryD @BAMozzy
I’m not complaining about it. I just think their margins will be lower on the Digital because that £90 difference isn’t accounted for by the Blu Ray. I think that’s one of the reasons it’s so scarce, even though (theoretically, though that’s complicated) potentially they stand to make more on software. I think the system is fairly priced for what it is (I still have the receipt for my PS1, bought shortly after launch-£550 in today’s money!).
Is the PS4 still in production? Has Sony ever done a price drop? It doesn’t seem like the PS4 gets the attention previous PS models received, later in their lifespans. When I look at a PS4, the prices are all over the place.
Nintendo have a wonderfully captive market for gaming on the go (thanks to Sony's ineptitude) and if someone's un-docked OLED Switch looks better than someone else's, that other person is going to be trying to get the better one. Same thing happens with the Apple sheep.
Be interesting to see if Sony increase the price for the revised PS5 hardware model - whenever that's due to drop?
@outsider83 Strange thing is that the PS4 base still seems to be keeping at its RRP(?) at £260 - which I'm sure is more than it was pre-pandemic? And if you want a new Pro, be prepared to pay £100 more than the RRP for the PS5.
Strange times...
@sanderson72 @outsider83
Don’t think Sony are fussed about selling PS4s. They don’t want to making many when they’re struggling to get PS5s in the shops, and they can sell PS4 games to PS5 owners anyway.
@electrolite77 I don't know, they're still making them so they're still wanting to sell them.
And while I don't doubt that some PS4 games play better on a PS5 if they've been patched, all the big titles are still hitting the PS4 so it's a veritable cash cow for Sony. To some people, a £200 saving over a non-existent console to play the same games makes a compelling argument - especially in these financially stressed times.
I'm just surprised that the 500Gb PS4 Slim (the only one now) hasn't repositioned to around the £200 mark. Still, if they're still selling in their millions at £260 (perhaps because you can find one?) then why reduce it?
@sanderson72
I can see the logic in reducing the PS4 but like I say I don’t think it’s a big priority for them. It could be that the transistor shortage is hindering production/pushing up production cost. But even if not I’d say the goal is to not be left with inventory. They could ramp up production and drop the price only to find demand isn’t there. Instead they’ve got a vast existing PS4 Userbase along with new PS5 owners to sell their games to.
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