Sony on PS5's Response to Game Pass: There Is News to Come, But Not Today

Honestly, am much as I love physical games, I would love to have a PlayStation Game Pass.

Say what you want about Microsoft, but Game Pass helps you not spend $70+ on a single game.

But who knows, I'd love a PlayStation Game Pass, but I can suffer with $70, it's not as bad as murder I guess.

@HotGoomba___Rebrand I 100% agreed.

Microsoft games aren't worth $70.

PS Now has great potential, just needs a wider back catalogue with parity across the regions. The problem is that you can’t download PS3 games, if you could then it would be a brilliant service. They should revisit the PS2 on PS4 emulation strategy and put the games on PS Now with PS1 games similarly emulated. There we go, a Nintendo classic system style approach but with more third party support and I’d absolutely get it while still paying full shebang for the brand new releases. Best of both worlds.

@Splat Yeah you're right, Ori's worth a thousand.

@JohnKarnes Yeah, you're right! I hate good deals and love spending $70 on games each!

Now Jim Ryan is flipflopping too?

Why do they need play pass (lol)?

They are selling 20m with some of their titles. They'll get like 5m if they put them there. Xbox barely made 2 games that sold over 5m.

I like the pressure that devs need to make good games to sell the games themselves. People will remain in gamepass regardless if a game is goty level or not.

@Splat They could be worth the $70, but leaning on gamepass might not promote them to do so.

Movies are different. I don't feel like buying a movie because it is the exact same thing over again, so renting them or paying a service sounds better.

but a game, I replay the game in different difficulties, play as a different role, get the platinum months or years later and it would bother me if I have to either buy the game or pay the subscription again, to not have it again after I stop paying.

or a multiplayer game, which you go back because and update or whatnot.

Idk. ps plus is required to play online is more crucial and there are only 50m subs, so I don't think sony could make the money back with 20m subs, especially with one and done games.

Again. I want ps5 games. Not ps4 ones with raytracing or better performance..Gotta step it up devs

Now that's something I'll be curious abt

@JohnKarnes

Jim Ryan got the job because the last dude move into heading up PS Now - to me, that screams they have BIG plans for that to be the future of PlayStation, or else why would you demote yourself.

@JohnKarnes Also, you know that Game Pass isn't just Microsoft Games? There are games from plenty of publishers, most notably EA, so you don't have to waste money on EA games.

And Microsoft is working behind the scenes making great games starting 2021 with Halo Infinite and Psychonauts 2 and Microsoft is buying a huge amount of studios, so really the "Microsoft has no games" argument doesn't really work well anymore, even if they don't have as good games as Sony yet.

Also, that's an insult to Ori, so how dare you.

I reckon they are rolling PS Now into PS Plus or vice versa. The number of games coming to PS Now that have already been on Plus is growing, so it probably isnt too much of a stretch to see the two services merge now that we have seen the launch of the ps plus collection.

I think the difference to game pass will be that we still wont see new games launch day and date on the service - which is the right move for Sony's bottom line.

I dont think Microsoft's model makes much sense from a business perspective even if its great value for the player.

Sony would still benefit from the profits of new releases then, plus if they rolled the two services together at no extra cost, it would be a good PR win

A subscription based model only makes sense to me for lower budget releases but I suppose we’ll see what the future holds.

@Splat That's kind of a ignorant statement 😅 I personally wouldn't/won't pay $70 for any game, no matter the platform. But when Killer Instinct 2, Hellblade 2 and maybe Fallout 5 come out those games certainly are worth $70 assuming I accept the premise that any game is worth that price.

@HotGoomba___Rebrand Halo Infinite doesn't look great, even for a ps4 game.

Now if you pay gamepass, you are paying EA. Eww.

@Rob_230 if they merge ps plus and ps now without increasing the price, that actually makes xbox look greedy. Especially with pay xbox live to play free to play.

@JohnKarnes Maybe they remove free ps plus games per month. If it increases subs to 70m, they wouldn't mind not increasing the price.

Didn't he say they've no interest in a gamepass style service? Oh wait, Flipflop Ryan.

Nevermind

@LiterallyDoNotCare Never said that Halo looked great, but I bet that it'll be fun. And yes, ew to EA, but at least I don't have to pay for their garbage
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Gamepass is good but many Xbox games have been rushed messes and PlayStation has been able to deliver impeccable quality that will almost certainly suffer under a subscription model

The economics of the original statement don't make sense. I have no idea how much Sony makes off of one game before retailer markup, but assume $30 profit and 5 million sold that's $150m. A PS+ subscription is $60 annual, which earns them $300m income. Double the price and toss in access to all Sony published games and you're effectively running a game rental service where all players have instant access to the games and a guaranteed $600m income assuming you have at least 5m subscribers. As much as I hate GaaS, I've had a subscription to Xbox Live just for the games and most months don't even use the service.

@HotGoomba___Rebrand but if you pay for gamepass, you pay EA now because what you pay to ms, they have to pay ea with some of that sweet moneeeey.

Yes, but halo 3 was more fun.

When we can buy PS5 to start play anything because now that's sound impossible mission and I will be lunatic to spend more than 1000€ for PS5 console from the "scalpers", because for that money I can buy AMD 7 5000 series and new GPU (RTX 3070 or AMD RX5700XT)... 😉

@LiterallyDoNotCare

At least it's not going to Take-Two.

And yes, Halo 3 was the best one.

@HotGoomba___Rebrand So... you would want Halo Infinite to be as good as Halo 3, wouldn't you?

But again, since it's $15 with the added 100 games, you don't mind, and this will be a problem for pushing quality.

Take two is much better than ea. Borderlands 3 , XCOM 2 and Red dead redemption campaign.

All EA has is respawn.

I bet it’s news about PS Plus Collection on PS5. Either new games added, or games rotating in and out (hopefully the former). I’m already getting so much value out of this since launch—quite a few AAA games I’ve yet to play!

Sony games are actually worth paying full price for, whereas Microsoft hasn’t put out an exclusive I’d consider worthwhile in, well, awhile.

@Splat I mean they also aren't charging $70 sooo

@LiterallyDoNotCare Well I'm not getting my hopes up, but I'm secretly praying that it'll be at the very least better than 4 and infinite.

And yes, it could soon be a problem with quailty, but EA could release good titles on EA Play, although admittingly, it's either Respawn or EA Originals (indies). And either way, EA games wouldn't be the first group of games I would play on Game Pass. I'm satisfied with what Microsoft and Third-parties are bringing out.

But I'm very worried on what EA could do to Game Pass negatively.

And when I jokingly said that it's better to give money to EA than Take-Two, I wasn't talking about the quailty of the games, I was talking about the image of them. And in my opinion, EA's image is slightly, still bad, but slightly better than Take-Two.

@HotGoomba___Rebrand I mean, the EA games include Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Dead Space, Star Wars Jedi, The Sims, Skate 3, Mirror’s Edge, Burnout Paradise, SSX, Crysis and stuff. There are good games on there amidst the not so good.

@nessisonett I wouldn't really consider Crysis EA, even if Game Pass says otherwise, but still a great selection.

On and Unravel is good too.

@nessisonett old games? I literally do not care.

@HotGoomba___Rebrand So you literally do not care?

@LiterallyDoNotCare Well there’s still the brand new releases but I was more drawing attention to the fact that you gain access to their back catalogue as well. That’s the appeal for me more than anything, although being able to play a bit of Fifa or Madden with my brother without actually paying is great.

@nessisonett Never played dead space and I crave it.

Maybe I literally care about this.

PS Now is already a great response to Gamepass. Even if we ignore all the streamable games, you get far more downloadable content for far less money. Sony just needs to prioritise it; stop duplicating games on PS Plus / roll the two services together .
I’m hoping this is the announcement, along with news of it being streamable on phones.

@Splat and Sony’s 20 hour games are? No thanks

@JesWood13 Question. Have you played the games you don’t consider worthwhile or are you just judging them before you play them?

So, @LiterallyDoNotCare, I literally care but not literally care enough to be literally excited but literally intrigued enough to not LiterallyDoNotCare.

@Akurusu He ain't spending $500 to find out.

sony babyyyyy

@HotGoomba___Rebrand your avatar says you literally do not care about anything

This is it. I’ve entered the Twilight Zone of comment sections. My family are cursed and your stolen goods are now forfeit.

A Game Pass kind is not gonna happened on PS, because, from my point of view, Jim Ryan is right, Sony's exclusives and not only, costs millions indeed so with a subscription like that one they will lose the investment. This is my opinion. Microsoft offers the Game Pass because there mostly are old games and what is new are not very expensive, so that is it. Enjoy!

GamePass is looking very good right now. I like PlayStation, but paying $70 for a 20 hour game sounds like something a sheep would do.

@Akurusu You give me meningitis

@lcipri but I aint got no ps5 to enjoy life

With the power of the cell and ssd. Nothing stops sony.

@LiterallyDoNotCare If that was the case, the only thing I would care about is Sam & Max.

@Splat just wondering, what were xbox series x launch games. Exclusives...if u know

Anyone thinking that ms won't raise their games prices, i have bad news for you
https://www.vg247.com/2020/11/17/microsoft-considering-raising-price-xbox-games/

I live in Russia and PS Now still isn’t available here. So he might just be teasing that.

I don't want sony to respond to gamepass, the quality of the games will end up dropping in time to come

If Sony go the game pass route one thing is for certain, their games will drop in quality

Just rename psnow to psplus platinum and make it worldwide, and focus the ads on the fact that you can download 800+ games on the service.

@JohnKarnes yea last AAA game was gears 5 and that was just a shadow of what gears 2 was.

@LiterallyDoNotCare Me neither yet. I still enjoy my PS4.

Probably a version of PlayStation now without the ability to stream games.

@JohnKarnes Then don't use it. The rest of us who want a service like Game Pass can enjoy it.

@Rob_230 Am pretty sure the executives at Microsoft did research if releasing games day one on the service was worth it. I think they know what they are doing.

@UltimateOtaku91 How do you know that? The quality will not drop because if it does, then nobody will subscribe to the service.

Currently PS Now is a good service with good games this month. Could be improved upon by adding more PS3 stuff. Also I don't think it needs to thrown first party stuff from day one, as they are worth buying

@Total_Weirdo Yep. My favorite Lucasarts game.

@kingv84 the quality will drop as developers will make shorter games at the very least. At worst they will reduce the quality and go for quantity/ MTX.

GamePass is very lacking in the new quality and long games that we are used to.

Pas ce soir Josephine...

I don't know. I feel like Microsoft has moved to a lot of B-tier games (not in terms of quality per se, but in size and scope). And they have a bunch of indie games. They don't have a TLOU2, Ghost of Tsushima, Horizon Forbidden West, God of War. Nothing of that calibre. GamePass works for them, and their games. I feel like Sony either has to drop the quality or quantity of their games, or significantly increase its price, but what's the point if it's way more expensive? People will complain either way.

I don't think PS will have anything similar to Game Pass anytime soon but sounds like they're planning something and that's usually good news

@Menchi nice assumption, as usual. Hey, as long as you get to bash Sony.

@Voltan exactly

@kingv84 if they knew what they were doing just because they did their research, they wouldn't be so far behind Sony. And Sony has made many terrible decisions, after doing research.

Tv Networks also do extensive research before making a new TV Show and yet most of them end up flopping anyway.

Research helps, but not as much as you'd think.

@Akurusu then it's a good thing you can wait pay less than half of the initial price in a matter of months.

I much prefer Sony's quality over quantity approach. I already have far too many great games to play with over 80+ unplayed games in my library from my time subbed to ps+. I think the industry already has a saturation problem, the last thing I want is to have to pay a sub for a huge selection of average-good games I don't have time to play.

I go to Nintendo for the highest quality gameplay and Sony for the over the top action/blockbuster games, long may that continue.

@kingv84 well, looking how Gears Tactics just bombed and the way Halo Infinite looks I would say the heavy investment MS has put into game pass and acquisitions is already starting to show in the quality of their games. I have a feeling game pass will be flooded with microtransactions down the line too.

@kingv84 Listen here.

You LITERALLY... do not care about the quality of a game.

@Old-Red Bugsnax is using the velocitah engine on the ps5.

but it don't matter. I am playing these games on my new nintendo 3ds.

I'm curious! I think they will just merge PS plus with now and have more launch games there. Probably indies though!

It's not sustainable for Sony to make premium blockbuster titles and release them day one through a streaming option. That's not at a price competitive to Game Pass nor without some additional hidden costs.

Xbox can do it because they have the weight of Microsoft behind them so it doesn't even matter if Xbox loses money. Sony can't afford this and Microsoft know this. This is their plan, to drive PlayStation out of the market.

They're scum bags really.

@kingv84 Of course the standard will drop, quantity over quality.

It's the NetFlix model. They do produce the occasional good content but the majority of stuff you've either seen before or have no desire to watch in the first place.

Xbox fist boasted about BC then it was playing old or indie games on Game Pass. Why? To make up for their lack of genuinely great exclusive titles. The aim though is to kill PlayStation then they will be the only real player in the market. Then they can up the price of Game Pass!

It's as devious as it is obvious.

@kingv84 im sure they did. Microsoft are alot of things - including extremly intelligent and accomplished business folk.

However. They have also acknowledged that they are losing money on game pass, or at least the profit margins are very small. Microsoft can afford to lose money on game pass though. Its a drop in the ocean for them. They just want to get players locked into their ecosystem.

Companies like Sony cannot afford to copy the model by giving away their first party exclusives on day 1. And i wouldnt want them to if it means they couldn't afford to reinvest in the next big experience. As Jim Ryan has said, their exclusives are too valuable. Sony rely on that revenue to drive their business

Game pass will harm the industry in the long run. You will have gamers demanding games for free (as part of a sub). That means there is less money for developers to reinvest in new games. That will undoubtedly impact the ttpes of games developed. You'll see more service based titles following a model like fortnight, stuffed with micro transactions etc, all designed to keep players playing longer and longer. It will be the death of the single player experience. 6 to 10 hour titles dont really make sense on a service that demands constant engagement.

Hey its my opinion. You've got yours. I don't deny game pass like services are wonderful for the consumer. For now. I just don't like the possible future that such services will deliver

Another day, another squabble in the comments section. Push Square.

How do big third party developers truly feel about Game Pass? The likes of Rockstar, Ubisoft and CD PR? Their new releases aren't madre available on GP from day one, Xbox players still have to buy them if they want them from day one.

Sony certainly could do more with Plus and Now, maybe merge the two, but I don't think an outright copy of GP would work for them and neither do I actually want or need it.

You don't have to pay £70 for any game, all you have to do is wait a few months and games inevitably come down in price. Nobody is holding a gun to your head!

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PS Plus and PS Now for £60 a year.

@sanderson72
Given the current BF sale, you can get each for £37.49 ( so £74.98 the pair).
I would absolutely do this if Sony would guarantee no duplication of games between them, but...

@HotGoomba___Rebrand Why are you complaining about a €70 privé then. Almost everything from MS is stuffed with MT.

@nessisonett from your post I deduct that PS Now does not have parity between regions atm, is that correct? I was already wondering about this, but couldn't find this anywhere.

@Angry_Chainsaw Waiting is just as easy next year you get it for the normal price.

@HotGoomba___Rebrand If they game is great ill spend €70 without thinking about it. If you look at MS games its or a liveservice or multiplayer stuff with payed add dlc and MT. Halo asking money for skincolors, lootboxes in Forza yeah that what i want.

I hope that Jim Ryan is referring to combining PS Plus and PS Now together in one subscription. I mean, that's something that Sony should of done a long time ago.

Im more than happy to keep paying the going rate for the quality games Sony has pumped out. Sure free is great but these devs deserve praising for the time and work they put in. Stuff like GOT, GOW, GT, Horizon etc.... Yeah id rather pay and have the money reinvested back in to the next project.

So the main problem seems to be the production costs of 100m and more per game. Maybe they should shrink the studios and reuse and/or simplify the assets.

Give me Sony’s top end AAA titles any day instead of cheap game pass, end of.

I guess at the end of the day the markets will decide. If Xbox narrow the gap or maybe even overtake PlayStation this gen then maybe the decision will be taken for them.

It may lead to severely reduced budgets for their owned studios and compromised visions and/or games full of MTX but if that's the way it goes then so be it.

If that does happen I may have to review my interest in gaming as I like AAA titles that are complete upon release and don't generally play AA or indie games.

I don't think people saying it saves you $70 are necessarily correct. If you you were going to purchase a $70 and it comes on game pass then great, you saved that $70 but you spent $120 a year or more for it. You also won't get the majority of games you want on there.
I certainly there is merit for both types of service. If you only buy 2 games a year and they are Fifa and COD then game pass is a terrible service that will cost you $120 a year, plus the $140 you spend on the 2 games you bought.
If you want to play a variety of games but not bothered what they are then Game Pass is an amazing service and may save you some dosh you may have spent elsewhere.
It feels like one is aiming for Quality while the other aims for Quantity. I hope to have both to get Quality and Quantity.

I would love to see something along the lines of GamePass on Playstation. In fact I've a Series S alone for the GamePass stuff, there are great games (even xbox360 games). Maybe Sony could wait say a year after a game release to make it available, I don't know. There's value for us gamers even if games aren't available on day one. Look at PS collection for PS5… it's amazing and all those games are "old".

@MattSilverado
But, what is the standard Gamepass price and how many games now?

As it currently stands.

Hell no to GamePass.

Sony Quality > Xbox Quality

Microsoft has NOTHING on Sony exclusives YET.

@thefourfoldroot bruh finally someone else sees it. Everyone keep asking Sony to respond when they already did years ago! Game Pass is just better prioritized and marketed by MS but PS Now is actually a much better service. 800 games (400 downloadable PS4 games) vs 200 games on game pass. You definitely get more out of PS Now. Sony just aint pushing it yet

@thefourfoldroot it's around 10usd for Ultimate (allows PC and Xbox, which also is great for me because I do use my PC for games). You have "more than 100 games". Currently on mi Series S (with an external 480GB SSD I bought in preparation for the PS5 arrival in a couple of days) I've installed:
A plague tale
Alan wake (already played it on 360 back in it's day)
Burnout paradise
Doom Eternal
PES 2020
Forza Horizon 4
Gears 5 (always hated gears but just to try it)
Monster hunter
Nier
both Ori titles
Outer wilds
Quantum Break
Ryse son of Rome
Jedi fallen order
Tetris effect
Man of Medan
Unravel

The only way a subscription based service can work for the gaming industry is if it becomes the standard for ALL game access, not just 1st party and old games. But in order for that to happen they need a strategy for it to be consumer cost friendly AND developer profitable.

Sony as well as 3rd party publisher's biggest games sell 10-15m on PS alone. Some even more. Publishers keep 70% of the cut. so @ $70 per game, thats $49 profit per game. so at just 10m sales thats $490m profit off one game. Looking at a year like 2020 with game releases like AC, COD, 2077, all the sports games, TLOU2 with potential of selling 10m minimum on PS, thats $3.4b just off those games. Thats how much Sony would have to make off sub fees to make it worthwhile for them and other publishers to launch their games into a subscription service. Assuming each subscriber pays $10/month (120/year) they would need 29m subscribers just to pay off those 7 games, now think about the hundreds of games that release every year.

There's a reason why as big as Netflix is they still dont get day 1 blockbuster movies and TV shows. Netflix instead invested into their own studios to make quality Netflix movies and TV shows and that seems to be the route MS is going with their recent spending spree but we gotta wait and see how their game quality turns out.

@MattSilverado
See, $100 for “over 100 games” compared to PS Now $60 for over 400 games downloadable (plus hundreds more streamable) just doesn’t add up for me.
But then I don’t have a gaming PC. Maybe that would make all the difference.
Of course it depends on the quality of the games too, and feasibly there could be better third party games on Gamepass, but Now has great games I want to play and barely have time to so...I think Gamepass would have to come down in price or massively increase their range of games before I would consider them on par for me. Just a personal perspective though, if I only had Xbox I’d absolutely get Gamepass.

Piss off, Ryan. What a incompetent mouthpiece.

@MattSilverado all of those game you named are old as dirt tho. they not worth paying an ongoing subscription to keep playing so unless you play them all in a couple months you could have rented or bought them for cheap.

I use PS Now from time to time and while I found a lot of old good games on there too, its just not worth an ongoing subscription fee.

@LexVVTi PS Now is not available we I live. Most I've put are old games, but there are many others, some new/not so old (say Doom eternal or Jedi, Flight Simulator 2020 on PC, then for instance The Medium on day one, etc). Anyway I'm not saying it's "cheap", but it's an option to play as many titles as you can for some money. I don't really like MS games, in fact I loved my 360 but skipped all Xbox consoles and had a PS4 and Pro and now a PS5, but just wanted to test this out, I think you can cancel the sub anytime so no harm there.
Thing is games at 70USD is simply too much here, for a single game I play once and done, like God of War or Horizon, or Last of Us2... loved all of them, but I'm not the kind of player that hunts for trophies and stuff, so I do hope Sony can throw out some alternative to the gaming cost, even if you have to wait some time. Maybe leave out first party games from the sub, or offer a discount, I don't know. But I would love to play all games on PS5, even PS4 games I don't have such... say Sekiro; it's old? yes. It's good? it seems to be! but it's 59usd (now discounted to 39 I think)... anyway, you get the point. I'm not saying "give us all games, day one, paying 1 dolar" , no. Just another kind of option may be good, maybe isnt. Playstation Collection for PS5 is great, sadly I've played them all (mostly).

@thefourfoldroot Well, last time I've checked PS Now was not availabe in my country, and... how does the downloadable stuff works ? I thought it was for streaming only...

@MattSilverado
No, all PS4 games are downloadable (over 400) plus ps2 games. It’s only the ps3 games which need to be streamed.
Shame Now isn’t available in your country, it’s a great service.

@thefourfoldroot yes. I checked now and still not available. Yes, downloading games is way better, and yes, seems like awesome value. What I don't understand is why it can be available worldwide, if there's a "Internet speed thing" the just make the download option available for some countries...

@Flaming_Kaiser Game Pass is more than just Microsoft Games. Also, I prefer paying $70 over microtransactions, don't get me wrong, I just prefer not spending a lot on plastic.

@Col_McCafferty Microsoft knows that some gamers want to play old games.

@LexVVTi Yet there are little to no PS2 games.

@Akurusu And some gamers don't.

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@Splat Yeah Ori is definitely worth way more than 70. Same with Killer Instinct, Sunset Overdrive and Master Chief Collection

I'd still buy the games I like and keep a game pass, if the option existed. The game pass would be for games I'd consider but wouldn't prioritize buying

@Adol_Xin Yep, it’s barely in countries as it is but games like Tekken Tag Tournament 2 are in the US but not the UK. It’s frustrating when you see a game online that people are playing over there but just isn’t on our service.

@Col_McCafferty

Actually Netflix is becoming a very viable and alternative option I think, to major big budget studios and Hollywood who aren't funding as many films.

Without Netflix we wouldn't have The Irishman, Roma, I'm Thinking of Ending Things and Fincher's upcoming film Mank amongst other films.

I'd actually swap them around and say Netflix is both Microsoft and Sony. Sure, they produce tonnes of content like Microsoft but also has a few gems like Sony.

I really, really dislike Jim Ryan. There's something very smarmy and disingenuous about him.

Not having to subscribe to PS+ in order to play multiplayer games online would be great but I know that's not going to happen.

@nessisonett

Yeah EA’s issue isn’t really the games it publishes. On a fundamental level, most EA developed and published titles are good.

The issue is how the company handles it monetization schemes.

@JohnKarnes lol Sony will release a Game Pass style service for PlayStation. No matter how old and blunt you are. Those who want it will use it and those who are old and blunt can ignore it.

@JohnKarnes lol we will revisit these comments in the future to see who is right.

@HotGoomba___Rebrand PSNow is better than GP so why haven't you already got it if you would love it?

As someone who owns and Xbox One S and a PS4 I can't imagine gaming anymore without Gamepass. There are so many games I never would've checked out that I've wound up loving it's scary! I use my PS4 for the twice a year exclusives but the Xbox is where my daily gaming occurs. For those of you FOOLS on here who refuse to give Xbox or Gamepass any credit here's some advice: keep enjoying your mouth breathing, mom's basement dwelling pathetic existence crying that Sony exclusives are the only thing worth playing and you don't mind paying $70 every time you want to play a game. You keep enjoying living in the stone age, not accepting the truth and the rest of us will enjoy games in the new era.

I think the new PS Plus set up for PS5 is a good idea, so if Sony keep adding to it this would make up for not having a Xbox esq game pass

@Hyperluminal Let me explain. PS Now isn't bad, but Game Pass literally has many perks, as in free Disney+ for 3 months, Game Pass let's you play on more devices, and on console, it has EA Play and Xbox Live Gold for free (if you have Game Pass Ultimate), and it's all downloaded to your console so you don't have to worry about input lag.

While PS Now might have some better games at times, that's all it really has. And even then, Game Pass has more games and variety.

And with PS Now, you have to stream most of the games. Sure there are exceptions, but the games that do require streaming have input lag, not as bad as Stadia, but it's still there.

Also, I feel like Game Pass is a better deal because it's usually on sale for like $1 a month for 3-6 months, while PS Now stays $10 a month unless you get 12 months.

If Sony combines PS Now and Plus, it could be real competition with Game Pass. And even without it, PS Now is definitely a cool service and I recommend more than Stadia. But it's not at Game Pass levels of good yet.

You're wrong on so many levels. PSNow has over 800 games compared to 200 on GP, with PS2 and PS4 games downloadable, no streaming required. You can subscribe to it for £37 for a year right now, nobody pays the full monthly amount you mentioned unless they're too lazy to wait for a deal. It has FAR more variety than GP with more AAA titles. To their credit MS put on their first party titles at launch but so what, they just spent the last entire generation not bothering to make them in any great number. PSNow is a better service that if Sony bothered advertising and bringing it to every country theyd make a fortune but Sony, thankfully, have prioritised making content rather than appropriate it. And I own an Xbox for GP and I'm annoyed that MS have placed it central to their plans. I don't want a fractured landscape like we have with TV and films where we have to sign up to multiple subs and I don't expect GP pricing to remain cheap in the longrun.

@Hyperluminal 1. You didn't @ me so I didn't see the comment. Sorry for the late response.

You have a point with the games, I didn't realize the amount of games, and I already said that some games didn't have to be streamed, but I should've been more specific. But the PS3 games that have to be streamed are kinda iffy. I got it for Ratchet and Clank, and it works, but Game Pass' offline games (on Console and PC) is so cool.

I'm a little mixed with the games part though. Does it have more variety? Debatable. And Microsoft absolutely should've made more titles, although they seem to be improving that with the new Xbox consoles, which is good. But Xbox GP has Xbox 360 games, good third-party games, soon Bethesda games and now EA Play on there, so that makes up for it.

You have a lot of good points. Is PS Now better? At this point, it's kinda personal preference, but depending on your situation and what you want to play, yes.

But, if there's one thing that I don't like about PS Now, it's how long the games are on the service. Some games are permanent, while others don't even stay for a year. At least with Game Pass, it gives you a discount for games that are leaving the service; correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Sony doesn't that.

Overall, XGP and PS Now is better than Stadia, so I think we can agree on that.