After the game went gold earlier this month, we thought Cyberpunk 2077 was all set for its 19th November release date... But nope, it's been hit with yet another delay. Fortunately, for those who are dying to get their hands on the open world adventure, the delay is not significant. Cyberpunk 2077 will now release on the 10th December 2020 — just a few weeks later.
According to CD Projekt Red, the delay may not be very long, but it'll be a huge help when it comes to shipping the game across all of its promised platforms. Fair enough.
To be totally honest, we're kind of glad that Cyberpunk is being moved back a bit. November is an absolutely crazy month for new games, and, of course, next-generation hardware. Having it launch in December should give everything a lot more room to breathe — including Cyberpunk itself.
What do you make of this? Call Keanu in the comments section below.
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Oh no, I actually called this a month ago as a joke. I wasn’t serious!
I guess "a game going gold" means absolutely nothing.
There it is.
It's only a few weeks and I was planning on waiting for the full fat PS5 version anyway. Not like there isn't anything else to spend your cash on next month!
Raise your hand if your waiting for the inevitable 2021 delay, has any other game been delayed 3 times in one year?! I planned on waiting for the next gen update but this stinks for everyone who planned on getting it with the new boxes. Obviously for the best for the product and staff, hope they can actually stick to it
@Kidfried “Definitely launching next month”, oh no! Poor Liam is crying in the corner right now.
I totally get developing a game like this is crazy difficult. Just don't say your game has gone gold if it hasn't.
Lmao!!!!
Another delay in December?
lamo and again. The hype is dying anyway... hope to het my hands on the next gen version next year.
This just means I get to play Assassin's Creed Valhalla before jumping into Cyberpunk, it also sounds like it'll take advantage of next gen hardware in some at at launch
*****. all I've looked forward to during this whole goddamned quarantine is playing ***** cyberpunk. This is some dog ***** right here. I'm done with preordering games until 24 hours until release.
@carlos82 Yeah, CDPR has previously said that Cyberpunk will take advantage of next-gen hardware — it's just that the full upgrade won't arrive until next year.
I guess it's kind of like how Ghost of Tsushima is being patched to run better on PS5, beyond backwards compatibility.
This is just funny at this point
PS4
PS5
PC
Stadia
Xbox One
Xbox Series S
Xbox Series X
Wtf are the other 2 platforms? 🤔 🤨
They shouldn't have bothered with the next gen stuff till post launch. That was 6 extra things to work with.
@viciousarcanum Linux and Mac? Probably not but perhaps.
@viciousarcanum there is a "day 1 minor next gen upgrade" for all 3 platforms and a proper next gen upgrade for XSX and Ps5 next year
What a disappointment, these guys are flipping horrendous when it comes to scheduling.
Lmao ffs....this seriously hurts my PS5 launch 1 week vacation
I knew this was happening...effing hell!
@viciousarcanum PS4 Pro and Xbox One X
There is no chance this releases on December 10. I think the game is far from ready and honestly, I see this being delayed until Spring 2021. At this point it should be, stop with the little delays and give some serious time and breaking room.
@viciousarcanum ps4 pro and Xbox one x
@viciousarcanum Guess they are considering Pro and One X as different versions
@get2sammyb I expect in 2-3 weeks we will be getting the next delay announcement to March 2021.
@redd214 Because those versions will have different visual setting profiles over the base machines.
I'm so glad I kept my Hyrule Warriors pre-order, almost delayed that purchase to give room to cyberpunk on pc.
@GamingFan4Lyf thanks, I'm aware
@Kidfried
They thought it was gold, but turns out it was one of those chocolate coins in gold wrapper.
@Deadcow those 6 people have the right to play games too and its not as if much else ever comes out for them 😛
The other delays didn't really bother me, this one has though. Was really looking forward to playing this on PS5 launch day!
Ahhhh itmust have just gone Gold plated then.
My dissappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
Bummer. I was going to play the heck out of this over Thanksgiving break from work.
Guess it will be Christmas break instead!
@redd214 I'd guess it gets delayed to Spring 2021 and launches alongside the next gen versions.
@Kidfried it means it's playable and passes qa but testing late on may have found some pretty game breaking bugs not picked up earlier so rather than release like that and get complaints they've pushed it back for a big day 0 patch.
It does mean one bad thing.. in 15 20 years when psn is killed for PS4 and 5 then those disc versions already printed will be inherently broken for those loading up on an old machine for nostalgia's sake.
On a separate note the Twitter seethe is strong. It's a couple of days...some folk need to chill.
This is not acceptable. CD is just practically wanting people to not buy their game. All of those delays and even when it went gold and after the fact that they needed crunch? Really? Get out of here.
tlou 2 wins goty then. Unless Demon Souls remake...
my personal goty is my profile picture
That first patch is going to be huuuuuuuuge
This hurts the Series X|S lineup. It was the one of the few "next gen" game to play and is now a month after launch. Better delayed than rushed, but stinks they can't nail the landing for Game Awards and Black Friday.
Thank you people who complain on crunch. They are paid more than enough, its been delayed enough, and if you want to complain about work complain about sweatshops not guys who make 100K a year
@Revengercm Uh you want to just rethink that?
@gort132 U wot m8?
Are you really saying all the staff get 100k a year? Are you off your nut?
So next Easter it is then.
Just delay it until next-gen version ready and launch it at the same time.
I was going to hold off on playing a substantial PS5 game because CP was so close to launch. Now, it's back to the drawing board to figure out what next gen game to purchase.
Seems like the hype got more less now, if they keep delaying this anticipated game then they might have no other choice to just cancel the game for whenever. This delay ***** has to stop soon, this is the reason why more people got done with the hype and they'll have to cancel their preorders if this continues.
@solocapers 70 bucks. It went gold. you would think they'd have to work even harder . They make 100k a year for three delays on a game smaller than Witcher 3? If you're going to delay it that much don't make it live for preorder.
@Nepp67 Has more than 50 perfect reviews and I see twitter polls with tlou 2 even getting enough votes for game of the generation and always winning goty 2020 polls.
I always vote for doom eternal, but it is what it is.
Means nothing in the grand scheme of things, especially if this ends up being anywhere near as good as The Witcher! Although I am disappointed this won't be able to be the first game I play on PS5
gone gold yeah sure
@God_of_Nowt I think by december most people will already spend their money on holidays games or next-gen console, it's better for cdpr to launch the game on empty month early next year.
@God_of_Nowt At CD project Red? The juniors make from 50k to over 75k. More than enough to live comfortably
What a contrast to Destruction AllStars's delay yesterday. Still I can happily play Spider-Man and Sackboy on those days instead.
@gort132 Again. Where are you getting 100k a year from?
It's a couple of weeks.. absolutely no reason for the tears.
I swear they are waiting until I book time off work. Literally booked the 19th & 20th off yesterday and today this news breaks.
Crazy but I'm glad. November already has my wallet dead, it didn't need more beatings.
@Deadlyblack lmao
@solocapers yeah like he said something about cyberpunk or something went gold, idk where he got that from but he does sound a bit dumb or stupid don't u think? Lmao
@viciousarcanum PS4 PRO and Xbox One X?
@God_of_Nowt i agree with u, i mean idk where or what hes talking about. 1st was about cyberpunk went gold then he now talks about junior money like what? Is he dumb or what? Lmao
Having a 6 person private bonfire this month with whizz bang bangs so was going to wait until December, anyway. Bad news for everyone who was going for launch date, though :/
@God_of_Nowt i get what your talking about. Lmao.
Well now I can compare reviews of Immortals Fenyx Rising and this to make a purchase.
The game went gold and now its delay.thats got to be a first.word up son
@LTPenguin I don't think there's problems. CDR are notorious perfectionists with their game releases. I don't remember if delays were as much of a thing but there was a ton of tweaking with The Witcher III, they just care about putting out high quality games.
Yessss!!!! November was too crowded anyway
@Medic_Alert separate team
Gutted.
Well I'm not rearranging my leave off work again. At least I will have demon Souls to play on ps5 on the 19th.
Called this one weeks ago when I first saw the news about the game going gold.
My feelings towards Cyberpunk 2077 are now the same as the ones I have about my club winning the league - I'll believe it when I see it.
Silver lining - it'll give my wallet some room to breathe. Spidey, AC and Cyberpunk at the same time would have been a bit of a Stretch.
@AJDarkstar Your PS5 launch day game was going to be a PS4 game that doesn't have a PS5 specific update? Granted its going to look good on any platform, I am going to wait until there they update it for the PS5 (and for me personally, release a PS5 retail copy)
Does this make cyberpunk the first game in history to get delayed after going gold?
My question is are they going to reprint all the physical discs with the updates or are the discs and people with no internet or poor internet going to get a completely broken game.
@God_of_Nowt I don't know about game developers specifically, but I do know about software engineers in general, and the lower end is ~$65k USD, for those fresh out of college with little to no experience, and it only goes up from there.
A quick search on glassdoor for game developer shows an average (at a glance) of about $75k-$100k USD.
@Tchunga possibly
Seriously kills my next gen hype... FIFA 21 PS5 version and Cyberpunk delayed to December in the same day !! Double blow... guess I’d just get smiles Morales then cos I sure ain’t paying £70 for demon Souls as cool as that looks
Not sure why people are accusing them of lying about it going gold. What’s on the disc is on the disc, they are talking about having the day one patch ready for day one
HAHAHHAA. How many delays is that now? 4? 5?
@God_of_Nowt Gotcha, yeah I tend to only think of engineers, but you are right, artists, designers, composers, etc... come nowhere near making that much at that level, and depending on the ratio will certainly lower the average.
LOL, every one of you whiney little girls are going to buy it on day one regardless, and you know it.
Maybe this either really needed to be a current gen or next gen game, 9 platforms is abit much when it's already been delayed twice.
I didn't want to purchase a new PS4 game for my PS5 so it's not delayed to a person that was already going to wait.
All I need is this game my PS5 and another country wide Covid lockdown and i am sorted
@LordSteev If by day one you mean day one when the PS5 version launches, absolutely and without hesitation.
@God_of_Nowt I know that ~$65k (USD) is a pretty common entry-level wage for software engineers in the US. As I said, I don't know about software engineers in the game development industry; but I would be surprised if it was lower than that (though I don't claim to have any first hand knowledge in that sector). I don't know how much that is in the UK, ~£50k?
A delayed game is eventually good. A rushed game is forever bad.
CDPR have their reasons. It's not the end of the world. Plenty of other things coming in the meantime
@Rob_230
No Man Sky was rushed and bad but recovered into a good game.
@Grumblevolcano I agree, I believe this'll be pushed back to next year.
Taken the piss seriously,
Luckily we have Valhalla, Demon souls, Spiderman to keep us happy,
What if this just truly is not worth the wait ??
Maybe we will see it after January im sure something else will arise in the next 7 weeks
Let’s be honest... this is a NEXT GEN game in every definition of the word so the delay will give them time to make sure the PS5 & SeriesX will feel next gen
@2cents This isn't a delay of the PS5 / Series X version, thats scheduled for some unknown (not-announced) time in 2021. This is a delay strictly for the current generation.
Disappointing but not the end of the world.
@thedevilsjester
You've got more restraint than I do, then. If I see the box on a shelf, I'm jumping. My comment was more directed at the people who are 'outraged', and the ones who feel their 'trust has been violated'. CD Project owes them exactly nothing.
They said it had "gone gold" and the head of CD Projekt RED has the platinum on PS4. Just release the f--king thing already.
@LordSteev Trust me, I don't have that kind of restraint; what I have is a backlog that I want to finish, so if I bought this on day one (PS4), I wouldn't be able to enjoy it fully for 6+ months, at which time the next-gen version should be available. If I didn't have that backlog, I would not be able to resist.
@God_of_Nowt Haha thanks! Do you think there will be a day 1 patch for Cyberpunk? I'm hoping with the time it has taken that there won't.
@viciousarcanum Xbox One has 3 SKU's Original/OneS/OneX. Remember how they said having ranging product qualities made no difference? Well this another example of how that excuse is BOOL SHEET!
@Kidfried The did go gold. This delay is for the day one patch. I'm not kidding.
@Grumblevolcano @redd214 The game did go gold. So it's probably being printed as we speak. This delay is just to ensure the day one patch is sufficient enough. Still kinda sucks, since I think they should've calculated that time into development. But I don't think they will have a bunch of stock sitting in warehouse until next year. That's just way too expensive. I imagine the 3 week delay is already going to cost them quite a bit.
@Jayofmaya It has already gone gold, which means the version that will be pressed to the discs and uploaded to the servers, already exists. Any work done after that is a patch.
@thedevilsjester
I've got a backlog too. I'm looking forward to Cyberpunk so much that I think if I tried to clear my backlog first, I wouldn't be giving those games the attention they deserve. I'd be wondering what I was missing. I think I've already sold myself on the idea that this will be the best game in a decade.
@LordSteev I understand, and if there was no PS5 version to look forward to, I would be in the same boat. The fact that they are making a PS5 version is just enough reason to let me hold off and work on my backlog some.
@Octane there are examples of games going gold and receiving substantial delays or outright cancelations. My comment was more of a joke than anything really.
@Octane So like I said, the word "going gold" means nothing. They printed some stuff on a disc, but apparently the day one patch is so important they will not release the game because of it. Hence, going gold means nothing to no one anymore in 2020.
@thedevilsjester
That's probably smarter. By then, whatever kinks they are obviously still trying to sort out should be well in the past. Like I said, I admire your restraint!
Still kinda LOL that there has been ZERO console gameplay shown off. Wouldn't surprise me at all if it was delayed into 2021.
@Kidfried That's... very true.
They're losing me with all these delays. Honestly not even hyped for this anymore. Plenty enough actual games to play over the next couple of months rather than listen to more bull statements from these clowns.
The wait is getting unbearable now. Those extra 21 days are going to seem like an eternity for me.
Meh, it's only a month. This does make me wonder if the game isn't all that though. It's coming to the point where if it's even remotely average it will be devestating for CDPR and the fans.
I'm also now starting to contemplate waiting for the PS5 release. The PS4 disc will barely have any content on it whatsoever. I might even wait a year or so for the GOTY edition with all the dlc.
Great news. Just ordered it...
@Kidfried this is a rather hyperbolic statement. It’s being delayed by a relatively short amount of time in the grand scheme of things. It’s still totally plausible it’s gone gold.
Wouldn’t you rather have a finished game that functions correctly than a rushed game that is broken?
Look at all the games which are rushed to release in a broken state! Anthem springs to mind.
There is always going to be a section of gamers who will whine endlessly regardless of what happens.
It’s delayed - THE APOCALYPSE IS COMING!!!
It’s released unfinished - BOYCOTT THE COMPANY!!!!
This is why you don't announce a game 8 years from its release date.
M'eh. Don't really care about this game anyway.
Dam at least they let us all know.
Personally would rather they pushed it to 2021 and stopped breaking folk with forced overtime. I'm waiting for the ps5 version anyway
Will definitely be waiting for the next gen version, although I suspect it will take a long time. GTA V took well over a year to get its next gen version.
Just hope the transphobia that the marketing material has been rife with is not evident in the actual game.
Breaking news just in: November 2020 has just been delayed until a soon to be announced date in 2021.
Ah gutted for those wanting to get this, I did have it pre ordered, but decided to wait for the ps5 version and cancelled my pre order, I'm so glad I did now hopefully no more delays for those waiting 4 this. Can't wait to play on my ps5 though, will have enough games to keep me going till it's released I hope.
@God_of_Nowt Ahhh, no worries. I don't mind anyway. What was a bit of a disappointment this gen was the Arkham Remasters that ended up having massive patches to fix them. I would have thought being remasters they wouldn't need so much fixing, but that has been covered long ago. Am I mistaken or did you say you've already played the game? If so, that's cool, what was it like?
Geez someone buys these developers calendars
In reality this isn't too bad, at least they care about their product (The benefit of being independent from publishers like 2K, EA, Ubisoft). If they were owned by EA they would've been forced to release no matter what bugs are still afoot.
Not surprised especially when were in a pandemic. Don't be surprised if it gets delayed again.
I was hoping to have this with the PS5, but I'm getting slightly concerned with how this might be at first, cancelled the pre order and I'm just going to wait for the full PS5 release, might be a safer bet.
Duke Nukem 2077
I was looking forward to this and next gen... then I got hooked on genshin impact
@Arnna What is the meaning of gold then? I would say that in this digital age it would mean the game is done for release. This news however proves the game is not done by their standards, and thus is the term 'gone gold' meaningless.
You might probably argue that it just means 'being printed on cd'. Well, I don't agree with that. but let's say I'm going to give you that for the argument's sake.
Then 'going gold' is defined as exactly that. But what does that term MEAN to a developer, a publisher or a gamer?
To the developer 'going gold' means nothing, because apparently the test work, or optimization work or whatever is not done yet. Just so you know, crunch is going to continue as normal, with devs making 100 hour work weeks. So the words 'gone gold' mean nothing for developers.
To the publisher and the gamer this means nothing as well. The game is still delayed, just the same as when the game wouldn't have gone gold.
Hence, why I am making the argument that 'going gold' doesn't mean anything.
I'm not saying they shouldn't have delayed. Just saying that the words of CD Projekt Red during the whole course of Cyberpunk have been meaningless. Gone gold? Still delayed. They said no crunch? Then in September there was crunch and today that crunch has been extended.
We went gold! The cd key is being printed on bd discs now. The game will be completed at a future date.
With the next gen patch not being ready for quite a while i always seemed rushed trying to get the game out for the holiday to begin with. It never felt like a 2020 game. They say it is.... But that's cutting it close. It may have been better to wait for the next gen patches and launch all at once as a big next gen game.
At this point, CDPR should just release it on December 31st and when you start it up you simply get RickRoll'D. The ultimate ending to 2020.
As an Atlus and Zelda fan, I have no sympathy.
But in all seriousness, if you want a great WRPG, Baldur's Gate 3. You are missing out if the only WRPG you care for is Cyberpunk. Baldur's Gate 3. I will keep saying it.
Why are you still here?
@themightyant Ok, is it really that good? I hear glowing reviews about it, and the last thing I need is another open world game to get hopelessly addicted to. Although I may bite the bullet and get it from all the praise it has.
Also it's free, can't get much better than that.
This wouldn't be too bad if it wasn't delayed twice already and reassured multiple times that no more delays were happening
They are waiting for more people to become 18+😂
@GilbertXI personally I LOVE Genshin (A bit too much) a few thoughts if you decide to play. The good:
Now the bad
Honestly for anyone remotely interested I’d say give it a go. Just be aware of its limitations and failings
@The16BitEraMan I think ill wait for the full next gen release because you have a point there.
@themightyant crap, daily login? Only thing that worries me, I have work, although it is a mobile game. Alright, you've convinced me, I'm gonna check it out.
@GilbertXI No worries. You don't HAVE to log in daily but it is definitely designed to reward you to do so. I'm having a blast!
Let me know how you get on
@God_of_Nowt Food always trumps games when the hunger pangs arrive. XD
Shame about the combat, but there is always the shooting mechanics. Perhaps the mundane tasks were for demo tutorial reasons and will get better after early gameplay?
Great to hear about the driving sections, I really liked the driving physics in Sleeping Dogs even, so as long as it's on par with that at least. Not expecting a full Dirt level of detail xD
Well, tbh I'm mostly hopeful for the campaign (side quests are good, but usually end up monotonous) but you're right, not entirely sure of what to expect yet.
@Kidfried are you finished? Your comment is barely coherent.
It’s a month. Even with the other delays it’s a matter of months. Not years. Get a grip.
Have you ever thought for one second that the game went gold and then they decided to delay it to fix some issues which were found after that initial process?
Gamers like you are the reason we have a reputation for being entitled and childish.
No one has blown up your letter box or poured sugar in your gas tank. SMFH.
@Nepp67 grow up. Nobody owes you anything. You don’t know what the inner workings of a studio are like and you’re acting like an entitled twit.
@Kidfried you’ve made zero coherent argument. You’ve just rambled about ‘going gold’ for paragraphs. It is farcical that you are getting so wound up about something you clearly know nothing about. Unless you work in the industry or work for CDPR then all you’re doing is speculating and carrying on like a petulant child.
@Mad001 you’ve got the right attitude. Everyone just be cool. Be pragmatic. Be realistic. It’s not the end of the world if a game is delayed.
@DonJorginho or maybe, just maybe, unforeseen things happen and they are trying to release a finished product that doesn’t need multiple patches day one or isn’t a broken game, just to get it out the door. Remember Anthem?
The level of entitlement and vitriol from some people here is absolutely ridiculous and infantile.
@Arnna Look at you being a blind fanboy. No use talking some sense into you.
@Nepp67 nice childish rebuttal. I’ve never bought a CDPR game, you twit.
The topic is a game being delayed by a short period of time and a bunch of babies throwing tantrums about it. Try to keep up
@Arnna It got delayed not once, not twice, but 3 times and you think people are being a bunch of babies? It shows the incompetence of the developers and shows that the game wasn't ready at all. C'mon I know you're stupid but you could try to be less of one don't you think? Later pal, not having an argument with someone like you.
@Arnna Plenty other games are coming this year without these issues, and for sure COVID has had an impact on development, but you don't say no more delays and the game has gone gold only to announce a week or two later that you face another delay.
Even me, a lifelong fan of CDPR, can admit their management is poor and that reflects with these constant delays and their continuous communication slip ups.
I'm not annoyed about the delay itself, I'm happy it's been given more time to be polished, but CDPR still have made another cockup with their management and communication.
@Nepp67 it got delayed 3 times? So what? It happens. Your leap to ‘incompetent company’ is completely hyperbolic.
RDR2 got delayed a few times. Are RockStar now incompetent?
Do you want a finished game or not?
As for calling me stupid, you are verging close to satire.
@DonJorginho respectfully, we don’t know anything about the inner working of CDPR. None of us know whether the company has managed anything poorly, or what external factors have had an impact on development schedules. We just don’t. Just the effects of COVID are far reaching in ways we probably haven’t thought about.
And yes, some companies are keeping to their schedules and that’s great news. But it has nothing to do with this specific case.
But a game being delayed is a minor problem. A bigger problem is a game being rushed to release and being a pile of *****.
It’s fine to be disappointed by delays but when it comes to people having a conniption about a delayed game and making speculative accusations, I’m sorry but I can’t take these people seriously.
A measured response is the sensible approach, not a bunch of guess work.
Especially when CDPR have a pretty good reputation in regards to how they treat their customers. I don’t see this delay as testing the faith of customers in any meaningful way.
As for crunch, this is an entirely different issue. None of these commenters give a damn about crunch all they care about is getting their game as fast as possible. I’m not referring to you but many people here are trying to use crunch as a way to justify vitriol and whining because they can’t have their game. Which is exactly why I’m referring to them as babies. It’s infantile behaviour.
If this was EA who have a track record of horrible practices I would understand maybe.
But hyperbole is hyperbole and it’s not very useful.
This is the sort of behaviour and culture which leads to death threats being made and people being torn apart for no reason. Again not aimed at you, but the people who can’t frame an actually argument or construct a sentence without sounding like Eric Cartman.
@Arnna Well we kind of do, multiple exposé pieces written by Jason S do highlight the mixed management within CDPR, and fingers can be pointed when your game suffers multiple delays with each time you promising no more delays, Developers should stop giving release dates and just reveal that info when it's fully ready but if you want to make money and appease shareholders that isn't viable.
I mean hell the staff themselves found out about the delay through the Cyberpunk twitter page, that is abysmal imo.
COVID is definitely a key factor, working from home in an industry where constant communication is needed will hurt productions, but that's down to the management to try and curb, hard I know given the sudden change in work environments with COVID.
The delay is a minor holdup and should be celebrated as it should ease the workload of those workers but people can still be annoyed and angry, however to abuse anyone let alone send death threats to staff regarding something is disgusting and shouldn't be allowed to happen ever.
Management should be more clear, but fans should be more patient and far less hostile.
@DonJorginho I’ve read the Jason S stuff and you’re right it does give some insight.
But I don’t believe developers have much control of scheduling - that (to my understanding) is a publishers wheelhouse and publishers can often be pressured by shareholders or other external stuff to release inside certain windows for financial reasons.
Anyway I agree with you for the most part. Have a great day!
Edit: yes their messaging has been atrocious and so has Sony’s regarding PS5. This could be improved to not alienate their customers.
@DonJorginho also the number of games which are rushed out in a broken state to beat the end of financial year is absolutely staggering when you look into it.
The classic art vs capitalism problem.
@Arnna oh for sure I'm not blaming the developers at all! I'm talking about the higher ups, and as you said you could easily wag a finger at Sony for their communication troubles too.
And that is also true, EA and Ubisoft are two of the biggest culprits when it comes to that, which is why I'm glad CDPR are taking their sweet time to ensure this game is perfect for everyone who wants it.
And thank you, hope you have a nice day too and stay safe, nice to have a debate regarding things without it coming down to childish insults!
@DonJorginho agreed stay safe
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