The Elder Scrolls Online PS4 Support Unaffected by Microsoft Acquisition

How is the PS Now support affected ?

There’s a few Bethesda games on Now.

@Noob_Saibot Ill take the Sony offer atleast i get games i like but because of the great value.

@Noob_Saibot I don't expect it'll stay $10 for long.

Publishers are complaining about increasing development costs, hence the price hike. Yet you can pay one month of GamePass for $10 and play a brand new game. Something doesn't add up. Someone is losing money somewhere.

Good guy MS does it again. If Sony had purchased it they would probably pull support or make all future expansions timed exclusive.

I mean Bethesda games are still going to come to PS5. I don't see the big worry. Elder Scrolls and the next Fallout are years away. Microsoft/Bethesda won't make enough money just keeping them on Xbox/PC. Starfield too.

As long as ESO is unaffected and expansions etc aren't delayed then I'm fine with the news

My conspiracy theory: I feel like the strategy is not to rock the boat right now (because immediately making Bethesda Xbox exclusive will cause gamer riots) but to slowly make them Xbox exclusive over time.

@Noob_Saibot why? What upcoming new games do those studios have? I could have given them £200 before the next Doom or Elder Scrolls comes out

@Shepherd_Tallon I’m worried about the exact same thing. As much as a i hate the 80$ price tag, I’d much rather own my game and play it for years versus locked into a sub which has my game and save data.

I still pull out my PS3 to play Oblivion once in awhile. Glad i don’t have to pay a 15$ sub the day i decide to bust it out to play for an hour.

Canceling my giant ps5 and getting an Xbox. Adios Sony.

@Noob_Saibot yeah but how many games does Bethesda really release? The major titles have to come to every platform to even make money(Elder Scrolls, and Fallout). Deathloop and Ghostwire should be fine but they don't release but maybe one or 2 games a year. Doom is kind of meh(it came and went).

@BUDSclass201 on the basis that some games coming out in a few years may be exclusive to Xbox? OK then

@AdamNovice You can say that about any big company...

I think that Bethesda games will continue being on other systems but be timed exclusives and be a great reason to buy Gamepass, because no matter who you are, you've gotta admit, $15 a month for 100s of games on Android, Xbox, and PC ain't a bad deal.

Have Xbox confirmed they are increasing there game prices too?

I don't see Game Pass going up for a while - their All Access method of purchasing does appear to be 'fixed' for a 24month period - a Console and Game Pass Ultimate for a fixed fee.

MS hasn't confirmed any price increases yet as far as I know - they were 'looking' at it the last I heard. As far as I am concerned though, with my Backlog playable on next gen, as well as any new games I get through PS+/Gold, I have no reason to pay the premium to play games day 1 and can wait for the inevitable price drops. It also makes Game Pass a much greater value proposition to me too - even without the deal today...

It really wouldn't make sense for ANYONE to affect current support on any Bethesda game on PS consoles. No doubt, some games will be releasing on PS in the future too and any changes now would affect trust and sales in the future.

@Noob_Saibot take Sonys way every time!! MS tactics are we are being killed let's do loads of things that make us no money for a while in the hope we get some share back it is not financially viable! the service makes no profit MS admitted it themselves.

@JimmyP are you high Wii Jimmy Cranke lol

For ESO players this is good news assuming it's not bull crap.

Its clear now more than ever, Microsoft is going the software route. Soon they won't even need a physical console. They'll go the streaming route.

lol Sony fans still can’t admit that Microsoft is making great deals.

@kingv84 No, I think that's just you baiting people to say that very thing. Lol. Good try, though. Whether this ends up being a good deal, remains to be seen considering it just happened. Until then, lay off the trolling. Bye now.

@Noob_Saibot Sony is like Nintendo they will be fine. The only time Xbox has truly been competition for PlayStation was 360/PS3 gen and that was more PlayStation messing up than anything

@kingv84 has is locking all bethseda games to Xbox a good deal for gamers smh. I mean hasn’t Phil Spencer’s whole thing been that locking game’s to one console isn’t good and everybody should be able to play everything

@NomNom sure...

I still prefer Sony's first party games. I do own Wolfenstein, Doom, Evil Within and Dishonored games, but I've played none of them. I own Skyrim on the PS3 and PSVR, but haven't played more than an hour in on either. The only Bethesda game I've actually spent any time on is Fallout 4 (and I actually finished one of the faction stories)...so besides the headline, it's not that big of a loss for me.

Well with Sony's aggression, securing timed exclusivity, DLC exclusivity here and there, MS being clowned having no games, even I was quite surprised Arkane's Deathloop was a PS exclusive. Sony should've seen this coming.

@Noob_Saibot Do you think a gas station would remain in business in if it charged 50 cents a gallon or allowed you to pump as much gas for $10? The development cost for Fallout, Doom, TES and other franchises are in the hundreds of millions? Common sense dictates there isn't enough people to sustain a $10 play all you can model.

Funny how complain about paying $70 or $80 for a game yet people had no trouble dropping this amount 25 to 30 years ago for SNES games.

If MS tries to get too greedy, do you not think Sony might try to by say... Take 2 Interactive. Can you imagine the panic and MS fanboys soiling and defecating themselves when GTA is not on X-Box? For every action, there is equal and opposite reaction.

@Stragen8 @Shepherd_Tallon you can buy the games you like with a discount though if you’re subscribed to gamepass. So you will still have it, just as with gog.com, steam and the likes. It’s an option néxt to buying games. Not instead of buying games.

Just an added bonus i’d say when comparing it with Sony’s business model.

The profit in game pass will not come by putting up the price, It will come by signing up more people. The monthly price makes no difference, It's the monthly price X the number of subs.

And I can see the "case by case" being "Hey Sony, put release HZD and Spiderman and Xbox and we'll release Starfield on PS5" I think in reality, they won't pull what is already there and Sony paid for Deathloop and Tokyo Ghost already but I don't think we'll see any more Zenimax games on Playstation.

What I

@Octane
If they hit 200 million on all platforms
Will be 2000$ million a month just by subscription. Should that be enough?

@Shepherd_Tallon I could see your point, and it’s a fair concern. But MS also goes to great lengths to preserve “back catalogues” as well. Granted their OG support could be better.

My theory is this that microsoft being a trillion dollar company wants Sony out of the game by taking heavy losses now and getting hold of all gamers

@QBGaming12 U hope that's all true, the ink on the deal is barely dry yet...

@kingv84 Exactly, this is a massive acquisition whichever way u slice it...They're buying it for specific business reasons, not 2 share with Sony...

@Shepherd_Tallon true, but netflix was founded 23 years ago and you’re still able to buy movies.

I don’t think it’ll be a be all and end all I think.

So far, it’s great value and I will make use of it I think (while it lasts) .

@Shepherd_Tallon even with GamePass I plan to buy some of the games I want the most.

For one I like my physycal plastic discs, and admit there is something comforting about knowing I own something.

But slowly, rental of games is dying. Without video rental shops around anymore, it's down to Redbox and Gamefly mail in service. GamePass perfectly fits in the rental arena, and actually delivers a cut of that money to devs and platform holders.

Now, a reply not to you but the while "unsustainable" mindset: in 5 months, the service has grown 50%. That's crazy. With 15 mill subs, we are talking between 1.8 billion and 2.7 billion a year, depending how many subscribe to Ultimate VS base GamePass, and we can expect a lot or ultimates since it includes online play (Live Gold)

Even if they didn't get any more subscribers, that's an insane amount of money, but truth is they will continue to grow, and even then those same games still will be sold on Steam, Windows Store and Xbox for $60 a pop. MS won't be hurting for money anytime soon.

@Stragen8 was there an announcement or something that I missed?

Are Xbox games not going to be sold any more? Do you have to buy a subscription?

I am confused! What am I missing?

@Shepherd_Tallon so... What was the issue again?

There is an option for me to buy a leased car or to finance that same car to own.

I chose to go lease and change cars every 4 years. You like to own yours. I am happy that you love to own them!

I have the option for both. I am not being offered lease only. I chose to have lease, just like you chose to have finance.

At the end of the day, if I have invested enough time where I feel that I will continue playing that fame even when it is being pulled off game pass! I will buy it. With a discount.

@Ridwaano IF. And that's assuming everyone keeps paying monthly. The problem is that if that works, then why doesn't the current model work? People pay $60-80 for a game, plus additional DLC. That's basically one or two games per year if you compare it to the annual $120 GamePass. There is a big discrepancy here, and I'd like to know what it is, and why GamePass should work, but the current model wouldn't. Because if you look purely at the in and out flow of money, GamePass is a lot cheaper for most people.

@Octane
People are more willing to pay for subscriptions for so many choices if you look at the success os netflix. And how we getting Disney + into it now. It is just way more attractive this model then people. Especially for people who just buy 1 games every year for sport players.

@TrolleyProblems i think what we are getting at, is as we continue to move down this path we risk not being able to purchase these games and own them outright. We are locked into a subscription, and if they remove a game forever, it’s gone forever.

When I walk into my local Walmart, i don’t see Netflix shows as a DVD set that i can buy, and watch 20 years from now. (Yes many i can buy online, but how long until that changes?) 10 years ago, any show from a big provider was in my Walmart for me to buy. That’s a big change in a short period of time.

If my PS4 didn’t already have PT downloaded on it, I’d never be able to play it again. I prefer owning a disc of all my games so no corporate crap locks me out of playing them, no matter what the future holds.

@Shepherd_Tallon "But for myself, given the issues with ownership that were drilled in to me in college and the area I work in in the industry, I'll continue to put my money where I'm certain it will leave me with the control over what I've paid for."

Last year i was exactly where you are now. I still am not far from it, like I said, I still buy games, many of them pre-orders, even for microsoft games.

But there are games I would had never cared to buy, good games, that I just thought fell outside my wheelhouse. I get to play them now, among many others, and play online, all for little more than I pay for Netflix (and less than I pay for Netflix and Disney+ combined.)

Heck, if I end up loving something new, I still buy it, at least for the time being. I'll be honest and say that the last couple weeks I been starting to be more open to the idea of digital purchases, something I would had never considered before. Mostly because MS seems determined to make those purchases last as long as they do on PC, though. I still would avoid digital PS games, and that will stay that way until I see Sony support PS4 games on a PS6... but my point isn't that, its that the business models are starting to create a change on my thought process.

I wont ever stop buying games, though. Some games will go away. Even MS owned Forza games vanish due to licensed sountracks. Games like Transformers Devastation can only be played still if you either bought the digital copy, or hunt down a disk, disks still easy to find, but licensed games will eventually vanish. And that's a big warning tale: sooner or later, Sony Spider Man games will vanish from PS Now, PSPlus Collection, anywhere.

Licensed games can be awesome, sometimes, but better buy those, no mater where you play!

@NoFaceBigFoot Sony would lose too much of itself trying to buy take two interactive.

@Stragen8 Yes, and at the same time, MS is not taking the option away for you to buy it on the very first day if you WISH to buy it the very first day. Every thing is still available to you as an option.

You can also wait and continue playing games on Subscription until the game falls off of game pass, and THEN buy it, for a cheaper price later down the road.

MS is simply giving you "1" additional option to play your game that the competition is not.

@Shepherd_Tallon You bring a good point about online games, well you make me jump to a tangential point:

Many online games like Fallout 76, Elders Scrolls Online, Grounded... the ones that require online to play... as much as we would love to think otherwise, we never trully own those. Eventually server goes offline and at best, you will own achivements/trophies and a nostalgia inducing box (if you bought physical... stares at Tabula Rasa collectors edition box....)

Anyways I doubt MS will ever lock games behind GamePass, at least until it becomes a 100 million subscriber deal [and not even then], they rely heavily on also selling units to keep every game fully financed.

@Shepherd_Tallon I am not dismissing your issue. The problem is that it is hard to figure out if you are honest about the issue or concern you raised because it is not easy to guess your tone with it.

I can apologize certainly for being abrupt in response to you but across 3 different websites, people are bringing up the exact same issue concerning Game pass, as if they somehow will not be able to buy games any more.

Game pass has its merits and it is certainly great for people who want to play games that they want to test out for as long as it is available. I have seen games being on Game pass for almost a year now. Once they go away, Game pass offers you to buy the games on Discount any way that you would have initially purchased at full price.

It is quite a useful tool to be honest and works great.

I have 2 copies of Halo MCC available to me because I got one from Walmart here, and when I found out the US version had that License Plate holder, I bought a second copy from USA as well.

I have never opened those games and they are still in the disc. The day Game pass removes them from its collection, i will pop the disc in and continue enjoying. Mind you, digital version didn't come with that Plate holder option, so i got stuck with Disk version.

I always buy my games digitally because I have my wife and I both play the same game on 2 separate consoles.

Game pass allows Both of us to play using Same subscription (my account as her Xbox' home account) and when game is going away, I buy it at a discount.

Edit: It is also important for me to note that NEVER have I ever seen a game locked behind subscription that was not available for purchase so far. At least in my experience, I have never had this issue. I have always been able to buy the games even when I am looking at them inside Game Pass. It takes you to a screen where you can "Install" the Game or "Purchase" the game.

Glad to hear ESO is still getting fully supported - I think the forums have mentioned how popular the game is on Sony's system and maybe MS might sort out the somewhat sluggish servers at long last?
As for the acquisition of Bethesda by MS, the only games I'm interested in are ES6 and possibly Fallout.
From MS's perspective, those games are 2-3 YEARS away and so have no bearing on who buys what console this Christmas. Hopefully MS will realise that cutting off half of your revenue stream just so you can plaster XBox Exclusive on the box art is a stupid business plan but it does make you wonder if Sony will retaliate in any way.