There’s an illustration from a PlayStation patent doing the rounds which suggests that Sony may be eager to push microtransactions on unsuspecting players. The diagram shows a user conversing with their console in an Alexa-esque scenario. In this example, the device reveals that 80 per cent of players beat a particular boss using a specific type of in-game resource. It then allows you to acquire that item, presumably using either in-game currency or real money via the PlayStation Store.
This isn’t massively different to the kind of system that exists in current games; you may find a race too difficult in Gran Turismo Sport, for example, so you’ll have the option to buy a faster car with either in-game credit or cold hard cash. The system that the Japanese giant’s patenting here pertains more to the data crunching that’s going on behind-the-scenes: when a player queries the console, it’s then able to compare your progress to the title’s wider community and offer solutions. Presumably, developers would be able to tap into this technology and utilise it for any of their games, rather than develop their own solutions as is currently the case.
It’s not the first time we’ve heard about a hypothetical PlayStation Guide, as the platform holder has patented something similar to this in the past. In that previous example, it illustrated how certain in-game items could be highlighted on a map should the player ask where to find them. We already know that the DualShock 5 will include a microphone to facilitate this kind of functionality on the PS5, and that there are “unannounced” features which will set the next-gen console apart from its predecessor.
Of course, it’s this microtransaction example which may prompt enthusiast gamers to push the panic button. Sony, of course, made over $12 billion from PlayStation Store purchases – much of which would have come from microtransactions in titles like FIFA and Fortnite – so it’s not necessarily against the controversial practice at all. In this case, though, we believe some kind of PlayStation Guide could be implemented in various practical ways – and yes, occasionally, that may include recommending microtransactions.
[source patentscope.wipo.int]
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Wow, cause this isn’t sinister in the slightest. Eesh, more ways to manipulate unsuspecting gamers, especially children.
Again how many patents has Sony not used over the years? Then people see one they don't like and automatically think it's going to be a thing.
Obviously a patent doesn’t mean Sony will use an idea like this, but being too open about over selling micro transactions isn’t a good look to launch your console with. Microsoft learned that you don’t want to look like the bad guy when releasing a console with the XB1, you would hope Sony wouldn’t be too cocky to think they could get away with a similar launch for the PS5.
I don’t really mind this. I swore I would never buy passes or add ons for games but I’ve found that if I enjoy a game and I can buy an add on for a few quid that enhances my experience then I’m happy to pay for it. As long as nothing is being forced or rammed in my face im happy to see what Sony come up with.
disgusting exploitation is standard practice now, Sony have no interest in making a stand against morally corrupt sources of income because 'profit'
I'm fine with this. I'm more interested in seeing the data from what other players used and did on particular sections of a game. As long as it doesn't automatically buy add-ons (which obviously it will require authentication) then what's the problem? Plus I'm sure it can be turned off in the menus IF it even gets implemented at all.
But what do you do if your PlayStation says to try X, Siri says to try Y, and Alexa says to try Z?
All these automated consultants are going to all be screaming at us at the same time! 😜
You guys overreact so much sometimes. Is it really so egregious if you optionally ask your console for help and it optionally recommends a resource which you can optionally purchase with in-game currency or real money?
That dude can’t even afford a chair. He does not need to be spending money on resource “X” to beat a boss 😅
@AdamNovice Exactly, remember when Sony patented PS2 software emulation on the PS3 Cell processor?
Make games and unlockables so hard to obtain/complete that you pay to finish.
Sounds awesome. People loved it the Crash team racing game.
Was a top game... Ruined by horrid unlockable system
Modern gaming sucks.
With Alexa, for example, being such a big thing in homes, I could see the PS5 having a voice activated guide like this.
It's kinda like the Thieves Network in Persona 5 that tells the player what other players did on specific days, or which answer on a quiz is the most used.
@Deadlyblack Yeah, it's definitely going to be part of PS5 I think. Difference here is that developers will be able to tap into the operating system rather than develop their own solutions.
My feeling with PS5 is it'll be a real crowd pleaser on announcement but over time before release a few things will come out the woodwork that'll rub the "core" audience up the wrong way. Sony are going to have to adopt new strategies and as you can clearly see on comment sections on websites like this most people are opposed to change.
So your getting owned by a boss in game and the Playstation says "hey this seemed to work well for others" if you dont have any self control i think thats on you. And parents dont attach a CC that doesnt require a password to purchase on your kids playstation. This public service announcement brought to you by COMMON SENSE
@Nyne11Tyme Careful, those words could get you banned. Especially in all-caps.
we sure dont need more crap like this.
@BarefootBowser If this is a thing for sure.
@Salmonella lol. I will keep that in mind.
@NinjaWaddleDee Im sad too agree that there are a lot of terrible things about the modern era. 😢
@Stocksy Yeah i stopped playing it maybe im just too bad.
@Flaming_Kaiser I love the games themselves, but I hate all of these purchases being pushed in our faces.
@get2sammyb I mean, yes, this is the internet so yes there is lots of overreactions and it is fair to say that Sony isn't going to be the only one to implement such things. It is an efficient way to advertise and promote something highly profitable. Also, they may not use it, patents are ideas being protected.
However, while it may be 'inevitable', I think it is OK to be slightly concerned by the implications of such models in the gaming industry. In the patent model it states, how do I beat this Boss and a recommendation may be to buy a certain resource for a fee. As you say, what's so wrong with that?
Well in my mind, that is fine unless a developer deliberately develops the game in such a way to promote this. Guess what, this boss needs Adamantium crystals otherwise only X number of players will have the skills to defect thus making those crystals a necessary gameplay requirement for many. The concept only works if there is a very real reason to do so.
We can see the beginnings of these in many major titles these days. I think it is fair to say that games are more grindy and many of those very same games are now selling the way to reduce the grind which begs the question, why is there grind here if you can pay your way out of it?
My point is that if game design is affected by how to better monetize content you are not designing the most fun experience, you are designing the best way to encourage additional spending and I feel we, as gamers, lose out.
As a result I have already reviewed bombed every single PS exclusive just in case.
@NinjaWaddleDee Same here i dont like digital only, liveservice and release and patch later. 🤬
I would never support this. I didnt jump on the microtransaction train when that started and I wont do it with this. If they start to hide solutions to progress your games behind a pay wall I wont play there games at all.
so instead of learning to fight the boss for yourself you just speak into a mic and pay to get it defeated instead?
can anyone see what's wrong with this at all? smh.
And theres me thinking that this ai feature would have been useful somewhat 🤔
@Ken_Kaniff and you know they are going to exploit this big time, even make certain parts of the game harder to make people give up pay.
@NinjaWaddleDee indeed it does so 😢 the more we progress the more worse it gets.
That's a Ubisoft/Activision/EA wet dream and frankly a bit worrying, if this is something that catches on then I'll just become a full on retro gamer and abandon the PS5.
This kind of practice has no business being in this hobby
wow all these gaming companies really want to drive everyone away.
As Lando once put it, "This deal is getting worse all the time".
Dont see what the big issue is really. You dont have to buy in to it if you dont want to same as ps+ is advertised and slapped in to your face and no one is obliged to buy in to that. It's an option no one has to opt in to.
@get2sammyb well kind of as pretty much all of these games which sell these "resources" are by design worse to play than games without them. Hence why Ubisoft have had to delay all of their games as the last one was terrible largely because of them
@get2sammyb "You guys overreact so much sometimes."
I feel for ya. Maybe you should blame the guy who titled the article:
"Sony's Going to Push Microtransactions on Players"
rather than say - "Sony Patents Alexa-Siri Type Voice Recognition Software for PS5"
and then people would be focusing on the microphone rather than the microtransacations.
You have only yourself to blame for this. If you don't want overreactions, don't write over-reacting headlines. Simple.
We have an Echo Dot wirelessly connected to the Fire TV stick in our sound system hooked up to our TV. I say "Echo, play Handmaid's Tale" and my voice turns on the Fire Stick, sound system and TV and the show menu pops up on Hulu.
I also have the camera hooked up to our PS4 but the microphone is turned off so I'm not sure if I'd use this or not, but Sony adding voice controls to PS5 seems like something they've already added to PS4. This isn't anything new, ti's just expanding what it can do.
@huyi Yep that's exactly what I was referring to. It's sad really.
Ohhhhh boy. I await the eventual YongYea video...
@Rudy_Manchego
Still doesn't make micro transactions ok regardless of whether others are doing it, squirt. As you said, unless a dev is forced to or purposely pushes this, reviewbombing exclusives such as GOW and shadow of the Colossus in one fellswoop is retarded and considered trolling. Regardless, this is still a patent and is about 80% not going to see the light if history is any indication. Further, their plans don't mean anything regardless of whether they do or don't plan to use this for loot boxes or anything related to gambling, as this is a legislative hot topic that will instantly be panned and crushed under law if they plan on selling this to minors, regardless of whether they pull some EA gymnastics and say "well it's not gambling if you know what you are getting". It's still dumb and not advised for Sony to do this, even if they wanted to-- not that it will. Again EA almost went bankrupt or at least on the path to bankruptcy due to the backlash and boycott. A band like Sony that has PlayStation as it's golden child/ saving grace can't afford to screw over the one thing keeping them afloat in major revenue.
@Anguspuss if it actually drove everyone away, they wouldn't do it. Clearly, it doesn't.
If that's true, you gotta love how one of next generation's great innovations is making games easier at best, or making you pay them to have them play theirselves at worst.
Groundbreaking stuff. 🤯
Great, another microphone in my house listening to everything I say.. I really dont understand why anyone would let something as creepy as alexa in their house either
Well I don't want to talk to my tech so I'd disable it (if possible) instantly. Besides that doesn't trophy hunting then become a bit meaningless depending on how big of an advice/help you get for coughing up money? Anyways, people that cough up money for progress or finding your own way don't get the whole concept of gaming anyways...
Coin slot confirmed in the PS5.
Sex will have a card reader.
When i saw the diagram, although it does say buy resource x, i just thought it was more of a guide if you were stuck and wanted help on a certain section. Dont get me wrong it will probably get used as micro transactions at some point by some developers, but it may also be used as i stated above. As long as it is used in a non intrusive way i dont mind too much as i tend to just play the games, very rearly buy season pass and never loot boxes, people get angry over mtx but seriously some people need to show some self restraint, if ppl stopped buying loot boxes and add ons etc then the companies would stop doing them, ive always said id rather buy a game for a 10 more and get everything included no bs loot boxes season passes etc, and unlock all the skins through progression, although i dont bother with skins and stuff myself.
The elusive "resource x', formerly know as 'practice'... or a cheat code, if one existed, I guess.
@Daleaf
I don't buy MTX either, but the few of us who don't just can't stop the masses that do partake. I've got a friend who says all the time "I love MTX, if they help me win I'm gonna do it!"
I say to him I'd rather unlock stuff through progression in which he simply says "I'm gonna beat you then because I've got all the good stuff already."
And that's the mentality this corrupt system has created. These easily influenced people won't play the game to unlock and progress if they can pay to win. It's sad when you come from a time of working at a problem in a game for weeks or even months to then finally feel the satisfaction of accomplishing something.
@GADG3Tx87 totally agree in what your saying i have friends who do the same, its just preadatory, i dont play much online myself, i did try fut in fifa 20 but never bought anything but i just dont get it, i much prefer playing career mode and build up a team like that for free. I much rather win because im good rather than because i randomly got a great player or overpowerd gun. And for some people it becomes an addiction. So in my view any game that has any loot boxes i.e random stuff should be an 18 game, children should not be exposed to rubbish like this, although it is a good real world lesson, money = power sadly. So im not saying ban them just get some decent regulation and transparency. Or even buy what you actually want not random drops, i know who am i kidding too much money being made, unfortunately thats how the society is atm,
The gaming community has already made it very clear they thoroughly enjoy microtransactions. It made them billions last year alone, so yet again, the gamers failed us. We physically lost the right to moan about them at this point and what's even more frustrating is this is a continued trend of weak will. We lost in 2002 against Xbox Live, people then complained about PSN and NSO recently, but you all lost that right nearly two decades ago. DLC is another one, MTX is the current one, and Gamepass should be on the list as well. Thankfully you stuck to your guns with online passes but holy poo, gamers are useless! If this is how the PS5 is going to operate (I don't believe it will) there shouldn't be a single complaint because you all failed.
@Th3solution You forgot Bixby and Cortana and Google Assistant as well. Most perform better than Siri, in any case
Alexa asks me if I want to buy hints all the time. I tell her to eff off. She tells me she doesn't understand, then asks me if I want to buy a hint.
I'm also worried, that more games will be programmed in a certain way to force the player to buy things with real money to get ahead of the otherwise too difficult/too grindy boss, etc..
@nessisonett Who are the buffoons that disliked this comment??
@get2sammyb The main problem is how easily exploited the system could be. Telling children who are stuck on a boss, ‘80% of people beat the boss buying this £2 add-on’ is just going to feed into a culture of pay-to-win. It’s really not dissimilar from those dodgy adverts you get for iOS games saying ‘Only 1% of real gamers will make it to the final level!’
@Boucho11 The thing is you aren't the target audience for this. Some people don't have the same self control you do and children most certainly don't
Also your argument is like saying "well I don't have cancer so there's no point researching a cure"
@Sircrespo I get your point about self control but the cancer comment is ridiculous.
Meh.
I'll wait and see if it's implemented and exactly how it translates before I get myself bent out of shape about it.
"And the other 20% never bribed their way to victory. I mean, if you don't care what gets you to see the ending scenes, I have a YouTube app, too"
If something like this can realistically "push" MTX on a player, this player has a problem. End of story.
@Nyne11Tyme "b-but the kid can spend lunch money on a prepaid card! What? Spendinglimitsintheparentalcontrols? Is it edible?"
I'm fine with it, as long as it's optional.
Re: children - I have 2 child accounts and both of them have a zero allowance option so that they can't use and abuse my cards. If you want to protect your kids from draining your wallet, measure twice and cut once when it comes to access controls - that's what they are there for.
@MrGawain they can get away with absolutely anything at this point, just look at this comment section, a bunch of people are already making excuses and saying "I don't mind being a cash cow". People do whatever it takes to please their corporate overlords nowadays, it's our new religion our new gods.
@boogieman117 Unfortunately, most parents aren't game system savvy and don't know about these types of precautions until it is too late. By the time they realize there is a problem, the credit card is maxed out and the kid is addicted to MTX.
And yes, I purposely used the word "addicted."
@Salmonella I understand. Sadly, that all comes back to parental responsibility. Don't give Lil' Billy the controller unless you've prevented Lil' Billy from draining your accounts.
@Stocksy I sold that game quite fast.
@Flaming_Kaiser totally understand why. It was shambolic I’ve kept it. To my sins on both PS4 and switch- went from being a solid 8 on release to 3/4 - a kart game shouldn’t be a grind like that. The new content heralded by many was pointless as you have to sink way over 100 hours to get to it. Saw a guy post other day stat that he has played it 450 hours. Wow
@Stocksy Its the new way making your game a grind and we pay full price for a game. 😢
@boogieman117 I think people with kids should not link their creditcard unless they have a really strong password or whatever.
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