PS4 Exclusive Horizon: Zero Dawn Will Come to PC in 2020, Says Report

If this is true doesn't Sammy have to shave his head or something?

"Aloy of nonsense?"

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2019/12/gamers_are_convinced_horizon_zero_dawn_is_coming_to_pc_next_year

YIKES!
Do they want to kill off gaming consoles like Ms?

I played parts of it on my laptop through Now and it played quite well to be honest. Anyway, if this is true then it’s good for PC only owners, it’s a great game and it’s nice to see them not missing out.

@get2sammyb Wow, you sure did change you're tune in only about 75 days.

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2019/10/soapbox_why_you_wont_be_playing_all_playstation_exclusives_on_pc

See also post above about your article from 40 days ago. Receipts.

Rip Playstation.

I don't own a PS4 but plan on getting a PS5 eventually. Would still love to play this on PC. Looks like a great game watching people play it on Twitch

Can't wait for damage control.

Fabulous game. I hope you PC nerds enjoy it.

PS5 marketing is going great so far! lmao

I feel like Playstation and to some extent Xbox, dont really view PC as a competitor. When in reality i know a whole bunch of people who only own a Playsation because they cant play the games on their PCs. Having all PS exclusive games playable on PC will just mean a lot of people not having to buy a playstation.

I don't really know how I feel about it actually. If the games are being made available on PC years after Playstation then that's fine, no big deal but if they are doing the same as Xbox i almost feel like i may as well just invest in a PC than buy the PS5. Steam does have better deals after all.

@get2sammyb
They are still using those resources for pc gaming instead of console gaming. It can t be isolated and that will happen with other titles. That means people will start expecting this in the future.

More people to play the game is fine by me. I know it makes some people just seethe at this idea, but some exclusives being available on console and PC isn't anything new.

the only thing I could think of getting people ready for 2 on PS5 not sure I like the idea of this! Sony needs to clarify what is going on. I like that Sony has games you can only play on their systems.

I wonder where the epic games store has paid them enough money upfront to make it worth porting.

But why? Exclusive games exist so people choose one platform compared to others, it's like if netflix stranger things comes to amazon or hbo.

Edit: Does that means every sony 1st party games will be made with pc lowest common denominator too? The reality is high-end pc video card owners are just small minority of pc gamers, there's a reason why high-end exclusive made for pc isn't being made anymore, it's just not feasible. It's suck if that's the case with sony future 1st party games

I really hope this means sony will sell streaming version of horizon zd on pc using ps5 machine rather than sony making horizon zd natively on pc.

I hope not. asdfasdfasdfasdfasdfsdafasdf

If this starts to become the case then there will be no reason to buy a PS5 anymore. We can just play everything on a PC. To me this would be a huge mistake by Sony. Only reason I’m on board with Sony is because of there first thing party exclusives are only on PlayStation l.

If Sony starts porting their exclusives to PC why would I buy a PS5 for, when I can buy a Better PC and play both companies (Sony/Microsoft) into a single more useful machine, unless it has backwards compatibility with PS1,PS2 and PS4 otherwise it's not a good investment

Does ps now count?

Cool glad more folks will get a chance to play an awesome game. Weird that it rubs people the wrong way that MORE people get an opportunity to enjoy something that is terrific.

This is very interesting news if true. It could be that Sony’s strategy has shifted somewhat if they will be releasing first-party games on PC now. I don’t think it will necessarily be a disincentive to purchase a PS5 with this approach if it’s done with titles that are 3+ years old on consoles. It’s still very different than Microsoft’s strategy of day 1 releases being available on Gamepass and PC.

@redd214
That's not what it's about. Dont get misled by probably vocal self righteous personalities. People are simply reacting as consumers. They are NOT the bad guys. These companies want more money, they arent in for charity.

Exclusives are the biggest advantage over competition. If they do that, the will make angry a lot of people. Why do that for not their consumers and make angry their consumers? Hope its not true. Look at Nintendo how they profit.

"Get Aloy of this" This got a chuckle out of me, and I don't know why.

Not happy about this at all. Exclusives are meant to sell the system there on. If they start putting them on PC then why should people expect them not to do it with others. Really don't get this at all. So when Horizon 2 gets announced expect a load of "will get on PC" comments.
MS at least have an OS to push, Sony's benefit is minimal at best, selling an exclusive doesn't bring people into PlayStation, it does the opposite.

@get2sammyb Is any game a "system seller" after 3 years though? I know Ntinedo thinks all of it's first party games are b/c Zelda, Spaltoon and Mario Odyssey are still full MSRP at $60 each but the reality is HZD was $15 Complete about a year after release. I know b/c I bought it about 6 months after release and I hate when that happens.

With PS Now being on PC and PS Now getting a few good games the past few months this seems like an easy way to make a few $ w/o doing any harm, and just advertising for the new games, which will be "console exclusive" for a year or 2 or 3. Actually maybe "console exclusive" forever still.

I'm just surprised you're surprised by any of this and how quickly you've come around. In a world where every spring and summer game is $10 Black Friday you gotta do what ya gotta do as a business. So give the game a year, then put it on PS Now for a few months, then sell it to the PC master race if they're still willing to pay for it after all of that time and price drops.

This won't hurt PS5 sales any I don't think. Not if it's fully BC like they've sort almost said. More to focus on/worry about than 3 year old games. And exclusivity, which is going the way of the "finished" game at release.

@JJ2 you mean businesses want to make more money?!?! Wow 2020 is crazy already

Not calling anyone a bad guy chief, people are more than welcome to their opinions. I just find it rather immature to get upset about it, but if you do go get em tiger!

Now that I think about it, maybe sony is making a pc store? So it doesn't matter where you buy your playstation games, you can play it on whatever machine you have, for example: if you buy horizon zd on ps4 digital, you can play it on ps4, ps5, or psn pc store (free because it's the same ecosystem).

The only way it will really hurt playstation in a big way is if they release it day and date on pc, now that would be stupid as hell.

If they release games 2-3 years later it wont be as bad, the majority of people will always prefer console either way, goes for both xbox and playstation.

@redd214
Yes of course. That's easy to say and not helpful except for fruitless arguments. That means gamers arent the bad guys JUST BECAUSE they dont like it, like you seem to believe.

What's next? Kojima working with Epic on Fortnite 2?
I'm slightly mad to just read this title. This is ridiculous. I don't care that it's not a flagship title anymore. Be it 4 years or 40 years, exclusives stay exclusives.

There's only two ways I can see Sony doing this that would work for them. 1. PS Now on PC is getting the download option so games have to be ported or 2. Sony are about to buy CDProjekt ( not CDProjekt Red) which gets them their own PC store in GOG.

@JJ2 lol OK bud, I see no "bad guys" in this scenario, nor did I even use that phrase. Thanks though

@DLB3 If those games are tied to a PlayStation centric service then yeah I agree but if they just putting games on Steam piecemeal I don't see how that really helps PlayStation tbh.

It was just put on PS Now, this makes no sense.

Sony need to stop listening to the media and start listening to their fans, it's clear that the media in general has a bias to Xbox and against PS considering how everytime PlayStation is mentioned anywhere there's skepticism and often downright ridicule just thrown there way yet anything in regards to Xbox is all peaches, even skillup Continuously praises Microsoft for every little thing.

People often think that Sony are getting cocky these days but I disagree with that, I think the right descriptor would be "afraid", it seems to me that Sony sees all these BS posts and articles that downplay them and they're afraid that is the thoughts of the general populace when it's the farthest from the truth... PlayStation have always been killing it with their home consoles because actual fans support them and they should think about listening to those fans rather than the BSers who clearly don't give a toss about them one bit.

@redd214
Ha I see you edited your comment. That's good then. Calling out people for 'it rubs people the wrong way that MORE people ...' does make it sound you dont see them in a good way.
I'm not into back and forth arguments and dont take all this too seriously but I'm straightforward.

No point putting ps4 only on the cases if its gonna go to pc, irony in that really. Also is that false information they are putting in the first place?

I see it as a win win for everyone. The game is old enough where it’s likely not the reason someone is buying a console and with the likely announcement of a HZD2 at some point maybe it will entice more PC players to choose the next PS console.

Calling it now: PS5 will be the last Sony console before they go for streaming only. As for this news: I'm going to wait even longer before getting a PS5. I might go for a gaming PC next.

@get2sammyb
Point no. 2 gets nullified. Even if it isn't there day one with the PS5 release if PC gamers know Horizon 2 will be on PC eventually (and lets face it, if the first goes to PC there's no reason the second won't show up) what's the point of getting a PS5? I think consoles will become more irrelevant going forward anyway as gaming becomes more service based. Maybe boxes with built-in memory from generous hardware providers so people could download games, assuming things don't go full streaming, but consoles as we know them are going to be gone in the near future. With MS already fully on board with bringing the big stuff I'd buy for Xbox to PC day and date, I'm seriously considering building a rig of my own, just seems to make sense for where the industry is going.

@JJ2 cool man, have a good one!

i don't like this change of events. one of the killer aspects of console gaming is the exclusivity that comes with its first party games. that adds a great deal of "value" and novelty to the platform. it also adds a layer of polish that you simply never see with 3rd party games. not only will pc ports cheapen the software itself, but it will cheapen the console experience in knowing that there is no longer anything special to be had on the platform. but why stop there sony? put out uncharted, god of war, gravity rush, gran turismo and shadow of the colossus onto pc as well while you're at it... sigh... maybe this is why layden left sony.

Said for ages I think that eventually Playstation/Xbox/Nintendo will eventually just be what is essentially an OS. Download the launcher, play them anywhere, buy the games from the respective stores. Or maybe a dongle of some kind that allows the installers to be used on pc or whatever. Glorified pc's anyway, makes no difference at this point. Everyone should get HZD, it's bloody fantastic.

Well for me Sony is certainly doomed (sorry 😋) because I'm switching full to PC, there's no point on having multiple platforms if one of them can do everything the others do. Nintendo games are next, maybe in a several years but they will hit the PC natively with the time.

@AdamNovice You still have exclusives on your piece of plastic, and you'll keep getting them on your favorite piece of plastic. What is the problem here? All this is just a way to get a couple of bucks on the side while giving others a way to play these games. PlayStation is not going anywhere; it'll take a lot more than PS4 exclusives being on PC to kill Playstation.

Or do you guys only care about consoles if they have exclusives? It's a question for everyone getting upset over this.

I believe it sold around 10 million copies ON PS4 yet there are more than a 100 million PS4 's out there in the wild. PlayStation fans that probably haven't bought/played it yet are likely moaning about this and the games been out 3 years. Can't wait for the next one!

@AdamNovice it would also hurt sales of Horizon 2 because most people will just wait for the PC version it already happened with death stranding alot of people held off on buying the game on PS4 to wait for the PC version

@Darth_Stofi Why does it make people angry? Someone plays a game on PC? Very odd response. The game is still on PS4 right? So whats the big deal?

@wiiware It would certainly make sense as a way to keep the maximum amount of revenue and potentially royalties on third-party games. They certainly have the exclusive to drive people to install it.

It would be interesting to know if the epic game store is successfully selling games to people who installed it for either of exclusives or free games.

sony is not the publisher of detroit become human or death stranding on PC, nor are they developed by any of its own studios.. so it's not really clear that it's going to be the norm, and death stranding never had the "only on playstation" branding in the first place. i just can't see guerrilla games wasting time porting this to PC in a time when i imagine the pressure to get PS5 first party content ready as soon as possible is on. if the idea were to try and attract more people to buy a PS5 for the sequel, it could be counterproductive.

@MsJubilee In a few years it will all be platforms. As long as i can keep my console for as long as possible ill be happy. People can see it as PC gamers funding PlayStations new titles. 😋

This is it boys.

Why so mad everyone on PS4 has bought it already why not sell more copies on PC. And who is going too wait 3 years or longer too play a game.

@Flaming_Kaiser ''And who is going too wait 3 years or longer too play a game.''

You would be surprised by the answer.

Well... i guess (if true) Sony really don't care about PS anymore, just like XB. Another step to make console irrelevant. Why bother buying a BC PS5 if all PS4 games will get to PC..?

Jesus, is Nintendo the only not retarded console maker? All those WiiU titles getting to Switch only make sense because they were still exclusives, even untill today. Nintendo always keep their titles under his brand.

Every game not coming to PC is one more reason to get a console, even old games.

Nice. Already own Horizon on PS4, but I'm tempted to repurchase on PC for 60fps and gyro aiming.

More and more, it's starting to feel like I'll have almost all of my non-Nintendo bases covered with a PC next gen.

@leucocyte I hope you're right. But idk, that Kotaku guy rarely get it wrong...
I can see Kojima standing strong on a PC-also realease to make the exclusive deal with Sony. But Gerrilla making games for PC is a huge strike on PS as a brand and platform. I huge mistake in my opinion.

As if. I dont believe that for a second.

@leucocyte same. I'm not buying it.

"let's face it, Kotaku is rarely wrong"
I can't stop laughing. They might be right about this, but that's a crazy statement.

@DominatorV93 Have fun waiting while i play part 2

Well, might as well start saving for a PC instead of a PS5.

I don't know why but this news makes me sad.

I'd be pretty happy if it happened as it would finally let me play it! I've always wanted to play this game but I didn't have a PS4 anymore by the time it came out.

If this is indeed true..I’ve just about lost all faith in Sony. Exclusives are the reason I bought the PS4 to begin with..and as time goes on I’m seeing little reason to own it. They really are turning into Microsoft. How can they advertise these games as exclusive and then a few years later be like..lol jks. It’s not a good look for the brand..

If true It would be stupid and pointless buying a PS5 when you can get a gaming pc and play everything from Sony, Microsoft and PC's own exclusives.

Exclusives are dying and it sad that Sony is killing a brand that helped the company on verge of bankruptcy. Exclusives is what gives console identity, a purpose to buy and play and now Sony is becoming a p.c territory for gaming. Sony is losing next generation..Sony outed of e3, state of play is nothing but boring 5 min crap show, terrible head boss on running ps exclusives to the ground and he just cares about p.c not the actual ps console buyers.

He said Sony will always be committed to exclusives but yet he turns around to release them on all platforms. Dude needs to stop lying to the customers cause I'm NOT buying a crappy inferior system to play "exclusives" when p.c will get them as well. Not worth the money to support a brand that has no desire for exclusives. Sorry but my passion is for exclusives and console gaming. And I hope Sony blocks mod support for HZD cause if they don't then WE playstation users want the samething. And pretty sure others wont think this is fair...good job for Sony to demise the brand for pc gaming you just placed yourself into a hole which you have lost next generation before it even started good job.

@Col_McCafferty Makes me sad and pissed. Sony just gave us a big FU to ps users good way to treat your core customers.

@SaikoWaifu2003 Says the pc fanboy, you aint fooling anyone and let me stop you before you say "I own all systems, Ima netural gamer"

@Flaming_Kaiser I will have fun, with countless of other games released in the mean time.

@SaikoWaifu2003 Exclusives should remain exclusives and how funny is that 3rd and 1st party games gave p.c owners games cause their own devoplovers cant make a decent game so p.c fanboys are yelling at console developers to release games on their pc. So be thankful to exclusives and 3rd party games that pc has games without them a pc will be just brick with p.c indie games.

@Flaming_Kaiser Sony won't not get half of the profit, plus Sony won't be the publisher for the pc port anyway. Sony 1st party studio might get some of it but half goes to the publisher which will be 505 Games like they did with DS for pc.

@Col_McCafferty It makes you sad for the same reasons it will make most hardcore Playstation enthusiast sad. The Playstation world just seems more...empty?

While i can't say that this is ''the end of the consoles'' it certainly is not filling me with confidence that this will be a good thing for console gaming.

Always remember, time spent on PC game development is less funding and time spent on console game development.

It may sound selfish to some people, but it what it is.

The only good side of this sorry mess, is at least more people will get to play the game...tho it will give those PC Master Race guys more ammo.

@leucocyte Technically, DS was actually a ps exclusive when the game was being developed and they even advertised it as a ps4 exclusive but in truth, the game was never a exclusive from the start, Sony lied about for about 4 years so they can sell copies on ps4 and the collection editions but shady they are, 2 weeks before the games actual ps4 release they announced the game for pc which is pretty messed up to the ps consoles owners.

DS was advertised as a ps console exclusive, DS is heading to pc and not gonna be surprised if DS heads for Xbox next.

Wow Sony, are you trying to commit suicide...
I mean Sony is a company that thrives in selling it's consoles based on AAA exclusives, but now you wanna bring first-party games to PC; are you trying to sell less consoles and alienate your fan-base? As a Sony fanboy, I see why Shawn Layden was let go... he did not agree with Sony's direction moving forward. Sony fans should be a bit concern like I'am.

@Matroska Is it? Jason Schreier has basically spent this whole generation leaking things before they happen, and he's barely put a foot wrong.

No matter your opinion of Kotaku's other content, it's undeniable that the site gets scoop after scoop after scoop.

@Odin1985x What big FU anyway that they funded a great game? Death Stranding IP is owned by Sony you think they will get it free.

@DominatorV93 You mean the people who talk here and wait till its on discount. I guess its good for Sony then so they call sell it at full price on PC.

@Flaming_Kaiser "People can see it as PC gamers funding PlayStations new titles." I don't think so, the casuals will (and always will)be funding these new upcoming PlayStation games. All these "fans" saying doom and gloom are a vocal minority, nothing more nothing less.

@Shirayuki That must be a reason, most of the users on here are acting like consoles are just going to suddenly vanish and won't be able to play their precious exclusives(which is far from the truth). I like consoles(to an extent), but it's not the end of the world for goodness sake.

I'm only here to read the comments of all the upset ps fanboys lool xD

First thing calling people 'fanboy' is unacceptable. Its toxic, idiotic and doesn't bring anything to a discussion.
Second, too many people embrace the naive and self righteous train of thoughts that gamers who like having exclusive games are being 'childish and mean' to other gamers. It's a consumer point of view to have console gaming interest. No more, no less.

@JJ2 ''It's a consumer point of view to have console gaming interest. No more, no less.''
Good luck saying that to certain people.

I’m definitely on the side of believing exclusives are important. Microsoft are quite different from the rest with this, due to the fact that they run the largest PC ecosystem!
The reason I believe they’re important (exclusives) is because of the effect it would have on me personally. I have a good gaming pc, if Sony brings their exclusives over to PC without large delay between them next gen, I absolutely wouldn’t buy PS5 and instead re-invest that money into my PC, where I can play PC, Xbox and now PlayStation games on 1 platform. It’s a no brainer. I also realise there is a lot of gamers that don’t want to spend as much as the cost of a PC on hardware. Either way I would gladly take this, as everything coming to 1 platform suits me, but I also don’t believe it’s the best for Sony’s hardware sales.

@SaikoWaifu2003 How much does all of that s**** cost though?

You buy a PS4 game you know that it will run on that platform. Buy a PC game and you have to make sure you have sufficient RAM.l and a powerful enough graphics card and all that malarky.

Also, buy a PC and I'd be associated with the so-called PCMR and that ain't something I'm keen to be a part of!

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@DominatorV93 Yep. I played The Witcher 3 last year. It was released in 2015.

Some people are late to the party of just have a huge backlog of games to get through.

HZD was the game that made me go for a PS4 this gen having previously owned the 360. Might as well save my money for a PC now and forgo from buying a PS5.

@Col_McCafferty Smart move, definately can see a lot of people doing that.

I'll most likely still stick to Playstation, since it's a better option for me financially among other things.

I wonder if PlayStation will have their own PC launcher, that’ll make total sense and maintain the ecosystem.

@DominatorV93 I just had a look on n GAME's website but there is such a variety of prices and specs it gave me a headache!

This is why I hate gaming on PC's. How do you ensure you're future-proof? They seem to me to be a potential money pit where you're always looking out for the shiniest new graphics card and high-speed processor plus from past experience I don't trust a PC to be as reliable as a console esp from PlayStation.

Consoles are just....easier and friendlier imo.

Looks like Last of Us 2 and GoT will be the last two games I buy for the PS4. Everything else is coming out later on in the year (like Cyberpunk) and will be on PC at some point including inevitable sequels to God of War (next game to be announced for PC, wait and see) and HZD.

@Col_McCafferty No one said PC gaming is easy or perfect.

But to tell you the truth, the only real difference between the consoles and PC-s are the mods.

The rest (unless you suffer from Res/FPS OCD) are quite unnoticeable/minor differences.

@SaikoWaifu2003 I'm talking about outperforming a PS5 here, I already own a PS4.

I have looked at a few sites and PC gaming is a minefield, just gives me a headache!

Also, yeah these can be a money pit. Always looking out for the best new graphics card and more RAM and s***. Some graphics cards cost double the price of a console! All for what? Shinier hair? Trees that have even greener leaves?

I looked on Steam and some titles like RDR2 and Fallen Order aren't cheap at all and cost far more than they do on consoles.

People say you should build your own rig and not buy a pre-built one but I haven't got a clue how to do that and imagine I'll forget to do something which means the colour is off or there is no sound or something.

What 'interesting stuff of value' are you referring to? Unlike some I don't think I could earn X amount per hour by live streaming my person in a variety of poses and outfits.

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@SaikoWaifu2003 Sure you can get a better performing machine for few hundred dollars more.

But price-per-performance wise consoles are still the king, even on paper.

First, it's not the end of consoles. The end of consoles will come when streaming is viable.
Second, I think there is a strategy here at work, and it has to do with the Decima engine. It possible that Sony want to position the engine as a way to attract developers to the PS environment, with the option to release later on PC.

@SaikoWaifu2003 Fair enough, it's just something to consider.

I'll be reliant on the advice of others, with a PS5 it's simple. Do I want to buy one or not?

If there are to be no more PS exclusives then I'm not sure what's the point in upgrading my PS4.

Maybe with time I'll shrug and think 'sod it' but right now I'm not sure I like where Sony are headed.

@SaikoWaifu2003 Games were always the reason, and with anticonsumer [email protected]#$% like paid online, censorship, no refunds, weak bc and the lack of 60fps settings it is even harder to stay.

@Odin1985x You can't block the mods on pc. Once the game is cracked (which is inevitable) noone can have control over it's compiled files.

@SaikoWaifu2003 Don't know where you are pulling your info mate. You can't find any piece of HW even 7 years down the line, that has the same price-per-performance as PS4 or XboxOne. Some things like the API make PC lag behind in that department.

''Besides customization is still very limited and you can't do other non-gaming related tasks on a console.''

Are we discussing non-gaming related stuff? lol

@SaikoWaifu2003 ''Why not? Why do I have to buy a console and something which will play games better anyway that can also do tons of other things too if I can just have the latter.''

You can do whatever you want. But we are discussing which platform is a better gaming device, not which one enables me to use a notepad. lol

''As for where I'm pulling my info, just search on YouTube for budget console-killing build videos, and mind you those videos are already old so the hardware are even cheaper now. As for APIs, go take a course on what they are first.''

Most of those videos, are using second hand parts. We can use the same philosophy with consoles. Just as PC parts get cheaper over the years, same is with consoles (especially second hand parts).

For example i doubt i can find PC setup for 97$ as a used PS4 i've seen 2 weeks ago.

Also a word of an advice, don't generalize people you don't know about unless you want to end up looking like an arrogant c*nt.

I'm ofc reffering to your API comment.

Console hardware is a simple piece PCB in SOC architecture where all CPU/GPU/Memory are glued together, it operates nothing like a household PC, smarter architecture aside, the most "powerful" element of console is their constantly updated framework/SDK provided by first party's R&D team while PC development is always restricted by Microsoft tools and GPU manufacture's driver.

tl;dr All the power is in the wrong place for the PC-s.The API drives are restricted by both AMD and Nvidia graphics cards, something that is not the case for consoles.

@Col_McCafferty Probably the same way Microsoft is headed.

Which mind you is not exactly a good thing for games quality.

But like all things in life, time will tell.

@SaikoWaifu2003 Hey bud, whatever makes you better sleep at night.(especially the optimization part)

You stick to your opinion, and i'll stick to my facts and opinions.

Everybody is happy that way.

@MsJubilee If there is no cash from PC why waate time on it then. The only reason i can think of to do it is because of the extra cash too fund the next games.

@Flaming_Kaiser Just keep in mind that it is a two-edged sword.

Gaming is an expensive hobby. Great games with high production values cost a lot to be made. That money needs to be made back. Competition makes games better. If there was no competition, there would be no reason to deliver better games.

Removing exclusives from the scene gives less reason to aim for the highest quality for games if you don't have a console to sell.

You can see where it lead for MS compared to PlayStation and Nintendo.

Everybody gets to play those games...It all sounds wonderful. but the reality of videogame socialism is that everybody might be able to play, but everybody ends up with mediocre games.

Again for reference look at Microsofts last 10 or so years of games.

@SaikoWaifu2003
''This is at least a good year to send off the PS4 so we can at least agree on this.''

Indeed, despite our differences on that we can agree.

Hell i've been wrong before, maybe this whole mess will be a good thing for everyone including the console folk.

At end, lady of time will tell us everything.

@Porco You're probably right, and I'd leave too if this is the actual plan. Bringing your heavy hitters to PC is a big mistake, and will likely affect sales if those PS4 owners(many who probably have PCs) believe other games will be ported as well. If it does happen, then I see this Jim Ryan regime hurting the brand.

Bought HZD last weekend, I have a huge backlog and often buy games long after release. If everything is going to come to PC eventually I may buy a pc for gaming for the first time and also play all pc games I can't play today. Sad that this makes me consider not buying ps5 after owning all four previous PS generations...

@DominatorV93 I thought about it and i had the same ideas at first and after that i thought it ia what it is. I wont be buying another console iplayed this console since 1995 and i loved it. I wont be buying a PC/Laptop for gaming anyway. Platforms will be digital in the end i cant change that. I can always go retro if its too bad.

@Flaming_Kaiser Not only will they be digital, but also most of it will go to streaming.

Which makes me wonder, when the power gap is gone i do wonder what gamers will argue about? Console vs PC wars will certainly be gone that is for sure.

As for going retro, it is possible i will do the same.

Sony can create it's own ecosystem with recurring sales of it's games & service by developing a PS-PC ecosystem. Here is what i expect from Sony as console competitor to Microsoft & PC as extended ecosystem for both companies -

Make games totally exclusive to PS for 3-6 months -> Follow this by releasing the game on PS now where PS owners with PC's can play on both along with streaming service to handheld platforms -> Then release exclusive games on PC's 3-3.5 yrs. down the line.

Benefits -> Console players have all benefits of 'Exclusivity' while developers & Sony can maximize their profits. PC exclusive players who want to play Console exclusive games won't have to wait for years to buy console at discounted prices during black Friday sales & games also gets preserved for future in the process.