Destiny 2's first expansion is due out in just a couple of weeks or so, but despite Bungie's best efforts to showcase the add-on via recent livestreams, the community doesn't seem all that hyped -- or at least, people on the internet aren't.
Now, we know all too well that forums and other places of online discussion tend to be quite negative, but it's hard not to feel as though the expansion has so far been met with a resounding "meh". It's no secret that many hardcore players have been scraping the barrel for weeks now when it comes to listing reasons to keep playing Destiny 2, and the problem is that Curse of Osiris doesn't appear to be doing much to beef up the title's lacking endgame.
The expansion clearly has some cool stuff going for it. For example, The Infinite Forest sounds interesting and looks great, but when the developer highlighted it during the latest livestream, the rewards it offered seemed laughable; the chest presented right at the end of the lengthy mission contained a blue engram and two expansion-specific tokens. Really, all it did was underline one of Destiny's ongoing core issues: a lack of meaningful loot.
Curse of Osiris brings two new Strikes along for the ride, but Bungie has decided to incorporate them into the add-on's story. The studio says that this is so it can show more players what Strikes are all about since they're typically classed as endgame content, but again, the community hasn't reacted positively. Instead, it's questioning why the same content is being used twice, both as part of the story and as a means to flesh out the Strike playlist. It's a cynical way to look at it, but it's a point that's difficult to ignore. These expansions aren't cheap, after all.
Right now, it feels like Bungie's got a lot work to do if it's going to get people excited for Curse of Osiris. Hardcore players aren't convinced that the expansion will patch up the game's problems, and more casual players haven't really been shown anything that makes them desperate to dive back into Destiny 2. Heck, even the few previews that are floating around the 'net are lukewarm on the expansion at best.
What are your thoughts on Curse of Osiris? Are you looking forward to it, or have you been left unimpressed by what you've seen so far? Find some cover and reload in the comments section below.
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That Vex armour is pretty damn cool though.
They devalued legendaries and exotics way to much in D2. Yes, it was annoying not getting good rewards in D1 but it always felt good getting purple or yellow gear. In D2 you burn through so much purple stuff so quickly.
I was playing for like 2 months before I got a legendary in D1.
I wasn't very good :')
@kyleforrester87 I kind of agree now that you mention it. You can play Destiny 2 for an hour and pick up about five legendaries and an exotic, if you're lucky. Chances are at least four of those legendaries are something you've found a thousand times before, and you scrap them immediately.
I think Bungie made improvements to how loot is handled in Destiny 2, but once you make it to the endgame, its ongoing flaws start to show.
@ShogunRok endgame is boring as hell. Most activities have no mean and personally I found the raid very repetitive and infuriating without any intense boss battle. The disappearence of gun rolls killed the game completely then.
I got the season pass, but I have zero interest in going back to that game
@ShogunRok @kyleforrester87 no matter how many purpies or yellowies you get, I've literally scrapped every single one except for the iron banner gear and an exotic I used from destiny 1... the gear and weapons were so much better in D1
I haven’t played since my fire team and I beat the raid. Gullible me bought the season pass thinking maybe Bungie and Activision learned something from the backlash of D1, but nope, apparently not.... $30 down the drain for content that could’ve easily been a free update because of how little it adds to the game. Thanks for screwing us once again.
@ShogunRok Yeah doesn't help that these guns all have the same stats too, and you don't unlock perks by grinding XP anymore.
They should be working to make these weapons more distinct with different stats/buffs and abilities tied to individual pieces and separate boosts for set pieces (like in Diablo). It'll make hunting gear more exciting and your Guardian will become more customised.
@kyleforrester87 @FooYooChingDong Yeah it doesn't help that Bungie's made a lot of the exotics less meaningful in practice. So many of them are basically useless, or at least way too ineffective.
@kyleforrester87 On the topic of a Diablo-style loot system, that's something I've always (personally) wanted from Destiny, but I understand why it's not there. Bungie seems to love walking the line between a proper loot-driven game and a much more structured experience.
Balancing and all that is obviously the big issue, but... Come on, imagine Diablo style loot in Destiny. Phwoar!
I'll wait until their next huge taken king like expansion. I bought that for 40 bucks physical and it came with the previous two dlcs as well.
@ShogunRok What Destiny has over Diablo is a much more involving combat system and more varied game play, but the best of both worlds would be nice eh?
As someone who was tempted by Destiny 2 and never played Destiny 2, is there an inherent problem with the endgame for games of this ilk? Seems a constant stream of stories for Destiny 1 and 2 about players running out of things to do?
Content isn't the problem whatsoever, we could use an archons forge or prison of elders though.
The loot is terrible, too easy to get, guns are constantly re skinned, they got rid of nearly all d1 exotics, there are no random stats, they moved all special weapons to the heavy slot, overall the selection of exotic and legendary guns is less fun and less expansive, there is no upgrading of weapons, they ruined hand cannons.
That's just the weapons. Armor I'll say two things int dis str replaced by rec res mob, this was supposed to get rid of the grind to get the perfect stats roll except now hunters are underpowered 100% because they always have to roll with mobility stats. They thought it was a bad system and they replaced it with trash. There are no perks for your armor.
@Rudy_Manchego There are a lot of factors to it, but one of the main problems is that its hardcore players kind of expect Destiny to be a game that it probably never will be.
Destiny 2 has been streamlined (mostly for the better) because the majority of its player base probably doesn't have the time to grind out the endgame and do absolutely everything. It's designed to appease its more casual audience first and foremost — unsurprising since Activision and Bungie have clearly tried to capture a larger audience, hence the sequel to begin with — but as you'd expect, hardcore players hit a point where they feel like there's nothing left to do.
And that's not me blaming hardcore players — I'm one of them. I would love Destiny to be as endlessly entertaining as something like Diablo, but it's just not designed that way and I doubt it ever will be.
Based on existing evidence, I'm not really sure Bungie will ever be able to find the balance. You make the game an almighty grind, and you're in danger of p*ssing off your biggest audience — the people who say they don't have the time to play every day. You make a game that's too streamlined, and you get an angry community that's always hungry for more.
I just don’t see why Activison doesn’t let Bungie create a game with a great single player campaign as well as multiplayer, they did a great job with the Halo games they developed.
It is kind of Meh. It looks ok but more of the same instead of fixing the inherent problems. Most of the community looked at it as something to blast through in a couple of hours and then still be left with no end game, nothing to grind for.
@ShogunRok Thanks for the detailed response. I find Destiny interesting as it seems, from an outsider, that this is an attempt to cross a MP shooter with an MMO or something similar while still trying to attract AAA MP shooter numbers (whereas, MMO's by and large, have a large but typically not mainstream following). It sounds like catering for two groups in Destiny 2 is proving very difficult.
Remember all the people who warned everybody that Destiny 2 was going to be disappointing. Well I'm proud to say I was one of them. You could be playing a better game anyway.
@Rudy_Manchego you should join a destiny 1 clan and enjoy the full experience of it, it's just superior in every way, we just want destiny 1 back
@legalstep it wasn't disappointing in the sense that it is a bad game (had a blast with the lads on here raiding last night), it's just as with D1 it does not seem to reach its potential and that's what's frustrating.
@Rudy_Manchego Buy it mate, the games great. The end game stuff aka the raid, strikes and levelling imo are brilliant until you hit the top levels. Then thats it really, the games the same over and over. For a very casual destiny player like me its spot on. For someone nailing a few hours a day postgame it would get old quickly.
@MaccaMUFC Have you played Destiny? You can solo the campaign.
Thanks to D2 I found Warframe!
D2 isn't even half the game Warframe is.
Bungie are gonna have to do something spectacular to win back the 70+% of players that have left.
@kyleforrester87 I felt that way with the first one I mean after it kept making me buy more. Then strangely it improved. Bungie might be in over their heads. Any Destiny, Division kind of game always fun with the gang. That's the one saving grace.
I moved to Warframe, and I'm never coming back.
I deleted D2 wasted money on the DLC with the full game, I don't think we'll see real end game change's until DLC3 which will be a expansion like TTK. I'm happy playing new games until Monster Hunter World & God of War comes out, MHW will be a massive game with lots to get.
Bought destiny 2 mainly because of the story, enjoyed it, but won’t buy the expansion. I hoped this "guided games" thing would help also to get me more into raids and night falls. Instead, it has been a pain. Either the clan I am playing with are morons or I can't even get into a group. In the rare instance where everything is going well, I did not even communicate via microphone at all.
Bungie is too much playing big mama. I am getting really sick of their behaviour about matchmaking.
I am now hoping that Monster Hunter will get me a bit into "social playing" without stupid design decisions a la Bungie.
Glad I'd wasn't lured in by the hype surrounding the sequel. D1 had quite a few problems. D2 seemed to made minor improvements to some of those problems but had some new ones instead. For players to be running out of things to do so quickly in a game like this isn't a good a thing.
Never played Destiny 1 so got nothing to compare it to. However for me the biggest issue is that for s social game its not very social. There is no text chat or proximity chat within the the social space or when you are out and about roaming around. I will get the expansion its not a lot of money for extra content for a game I already enjoy.
@themcnoisy I was tempted at launch but I didn't have the cash. I think the gameplay looks great but I play so sporadically at different times of the day, I tend to just focus on finishing a game and move on so the idea of going back to games regularly is just alien to me. Also, I don't really have any PS4 buds or like cooperative play that much. So in my mind, the end game issues probably won't ever affect me!
@Rudy_Manchego Its up to you, for all the negativity post launch its the hardcore who are kicking up the fuss and probably rightly so. I usually play games like you, moving from one or three to the next. With Destiny 2 the gameplay is so good you feel like a boss at times, the story is functional at best and tbf its practically the same game as D1 but with better optimised graphics and getting better equipmemt is easier. But its still essential in my eyes.
In my opinion the went too much for the casual market but the problem there is they will play the story do a bit of the end game grind then move on and not buy the expansions. The hardcore fans are more likely to buy the expansions but they have alienated a lot of them including myself. I shamefully played over 1500 hours of Destiny over all the expansions played just under 100 of Destiny 2 so got my moneys worth but I am done with it for the moment as not getting the DLC.
..I played it to death for the first week... completing the campaign with all three classes and levelling them all up to about 290... but then it was like "is this it?!?" - you could do the weekly tasks / rewards within an hour or so, leaving you to grind the same few raids over and over again... I part-exed it shortly afterwards getting the same value that I'd bought it for... which means I 'may' get it again in the future when it's more complete... but currently, there's so little to do at the end - there are better / other games vying for your time that are more worthwhile (I'm loving Fortnite PVE currently - not the BR bit - can't get enough of building up my fort and rescuing survivors!)
@Rudy_Manchego I thought you got them free with your PS4?
@Flaming_Kaiser Ah sorry- bad choice of words, I meant buddies!
@themcnoisy Hmm you may have convinced me. The base game is down to £28 in the Black Friday sale. I might see if it drops in the January sales and pick it up then. For that price, even the SP content is probably worth it.
I wish I'd have never fell for the destiny 2 hype, I got to max light a lot quicker than the first one and then theirs naff all to do, big water of money and ice got 2 expansion packs to play as I got the special edition, I wish you could sell digital purchases haha
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