Alarm bells were ringing when the press release for Batman: Return to Arkham – the PlayStation 4 compilation featuring Batman: Arkham Asylum and Batman: Arkham City – revealed that the remaster would be re-engineered using Unreal Engine 4. For those of you not intimately familiar with the development of the originals, Rocksteady used a heavily modified version of Unreal Engine 3 for the trilogy.
Switching engines makes sense from a technical perspective, but the results according to the above comparison video are mixed to say the least. Virtuos, the Chinese team behind the Final Fantasy X/X-2 re-release, has really tweaked the artstyle, blowing out all of the colours and losing the original's grimy look in the process. Considering that the Arkham trilogy's gothic dressing is one of its primary selling points, that's a pretty big deal.
The studio's still got a few months left until release, so maybe the final product will come out swinging after all. Things aren't looking promising right now, though, eh?
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While it doesn't look terrible, the wilted flower on the Joker was a nice touch that the new team doesn't seem to appreciate. I'm not sure why they couldn't just be faithful, none of these changes seem to be for the better. Doesn't look bad though.
I liked the original games not sure the remaster is needed they are not that old.
@Vincent294 It's almost like they've polished it too much. It looks way too clean and has lost the griminess of the originals.
Don't think it looks too bad tbh and like you said it's got a couple of months left toll release... Hopefully some actual gameplay will look a bit better
I will still be picking them up as I hardly use my 360 any more and it will be more convenient to have it on the PS4.
@get2sammyb
Now we're complaining that developers are trying too hard. It's official. People don't know what they f**k they want.
@get2sammyb hi mate, don't comment too often but just watched the comparison video and to me it's like the first half they have the original and remaster mixed up, where as the second half looks to be true, I never played the original ps3 versions so was looking forward to the remasters
Aside from that one shot where the guys arms were glowing light in the original but bright yellow in the remaster, I think it looks fantastic.
This game could use a little more color. I'm all for the grim look and all but, seeing that original footage looks a little too monotone.
Huh, I'm honestly not sure which look I prefer. The remaster seems to lack detail in places and lightning seems to have taken a hit in parts. But In some weird way it makes the game easier for my brain to process (if that makes any sense even) and I do prefer the sharper colors the remaster has.
Eh. I didn't really care enough for the Arkham games to bother getting them again though.
I think it looks great for the most part.
The remaster has lost some detail for some reason. Little things like the reflections in dr strange's glasses and when clay man stands up in the original the movie can be seen on his body still but the remaster just seems to ignore it. Cat woman's outfit seems to be less clear as well which I don't get because other parts of the remaster look awesome.
Y'know, I'm not mad at it. It clearly looks better but maybe they just need to apply a grit and crime filter. Be interesting to see the final release.
@Gamer83 That's not what I said, though. They've ruined the look of the original by stripping it of the grotty details in the originals. The colours are oversaturated and it all looks too "clean" in the remaster. They've ruined the art style.
The wilted flower that @Vincent294 mentioned is a great example.
There's not even any self-shadowing on his suit.
Now normally I'm okay with remasters when sufficient time has passed or just before a related release (See Uncharted, Zelda etc.) however...given the disappointment that were the last two Akrham (Sony has given it a new name, I aint arguing) games, and how City frankly felt less focused than Asylum, and with just how soon this is and how bland Knight was, I simply cant care. In fact, the only thing I see right here is typical AAA stuff especially considering its WB publishing. And that is (@get2sammyb will likely remember this one from me ):
Its pretty much a mixed bag some stuff look better but as @get2sammyb has said it looks too clean and the colors are too bright just look what they have done to this guy they ruined his look
As far as I'm concerned games need more colour as a whole, but the gritiness of the textures is a different story. In that comparison of the Joker it looks like his suit has been recently pressed, and, I mean, when do you think the Joker last washed?
@RaymanFan2
I agree that the addition of more colors (in this case) is a positive, not a negative.
As I posted in the forums (didn't see this article at the time), the joker looks terrible (hair too neat, shirt too clean) as does ivy's vines (almost metallic). But most other comparisons are big improvements.
I will be skipping this anyways. I enjoyed them last gen but wasn't in love with them like others were.
Looks like a huge downgrade
I don't get why we need remaster of such new games. I understand games that are system sellers like The Last of Us. It also made sense since they wanted to make sure people who sold their PS3s could still enjoy it. Sleeping Dogs, Dishonored, and Tomb Raider were all great but again they didn't need to be remastered. Grimm Fandango was remaster done right. A classic game that was difficult to find, remastered for a more mainstream audience.
Give me backwards compatibility and I'll be happy. Then I can play all of these games on my PS4 without purchasing them again.
I think the remaster looks worse. The extra colors are fine, but it looks like they've stripped away a lot of the lighting and texture details. Unless it's super cheap, I'll be passing on this.
It seems very inconsistent to me. The ladies look like they've been botoxed - maybe they're not finished with the game yet. The level of detail is all over the map. Penguin & Strange's faces look worse while Freeze gets a big texture upgrade. I'm just hoping this game is still baking.
@NESguy94 Some of us skipped most of these games last gen and now have the option to play slightly better versions. I am glad companies don't listen to people like you
Well, I found Batman games very boring so I am not interested in getting it.
I still wonder why a remaster was needed for such recent games
Enjoyed the first, City had some neat ideas but was all over the place. Don't really need these remasters. Looks like the new engine has messed it up a bit but if you've never played them I guess you could crack on without being too bothered by it.
Always hated Unreal engine 3 but Rocksteady did some amazing stuff with it
I haven't watched the video but judging by the screenshots posted here I'd say the original looks a lot more natural.
I fail to see the point of making a remaster.The graphics of these games were absolutely stunning on ps3 and still hold well in these days. And I agree all of the changes they've made with the colours are for the worst instead of the better.
I actually like the extra color, found the original a bit 'grey'. It's strange cos killzone 2 was criticized for being TOO gray and in killzone 3 they added more colour. Joker is truer to the comic colours. He was always a show off and entertainer! Bright and bold joker is back. As for blaming virtuoso for the changes, they are only contracted to do what rocksteady and Warner bros tell them to do. All approvals go through the main shareholders. Most of us have been there where we've been told to do something we don't want to do.
Huh, someone's managed to do a remastered game that actually looks worse than the original. I suppose it was only a matter of time.
@get2sammyb
The original is better, what kind of remaster is this??
Just add 1080p and 60 fps like valkyria chronicles remastered, why bother remaking the lightning, color, etc?
The original gothic style – and the graphical representation of that style – is superior in every way as far as I'm concerned.
Indeed, if I were a layman, I'd automatically think that the remastered screens were actually from the PS3 versions, not the other way round. Very sad.
In my eyes at least, the only actual improvements are in the detail of the cityscape and some examples of lighting, shading, etc.
It actually looks better in some parts with more detail, like Batmans cape you can see the rain drops etc. But in other part it looks worse, but its still in development.
@AyeHaley Like I said, just make the system backwards compatible and we can enjoy those games without the mark up. I'd rather see companies focus on new games instead of remastering games from last gen.
I think the original version looks way better, the remaster has had some nice touches but it's took too much of the dirt, grimy and gritty feel of the original away and replaced it with too much colour.
I actually like the extra colour. I thought the original was a bit monotone and bland at times, so a little extra colour is nice. In terms of graphics, I think it generally looks better in the remaster, but there are definitely parts of the original that look better (Catwoman's face is an obvious example).
@JaxonH
The original looks like the contrast is up too high...the colors don't like grimy, they look washed.
@Gamer83 Amen to that.
I was shocked at just how much more I liked the original versus the remaster. It has a different tone to it, really.
I'll keep my originals.
Is it 60fps?
not much of a remaster if the original looks like it has much more detail on the characters
This video is embarrassing.
Why does it look worse????
More evidence for no real need for PS4 yet
@DESS-M-8 Nothing to do with PS4, simply poor workmanship
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