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Topic: Is gaming media over-hyping VR at our expense?

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sub12

First of all, this has nothing to do specifcially with Push Square or it's VR coverage.

Question is, do you think the gaming media at large (IGN, Gamespot, mostly everyone in-between) is over-hyping VR without looking at the concerns of the general user base? This seems to be more common with sites like IGN. So, while I do recognize that VR is the hot topic of 2016, I do feel that a lot of these journalists or content creators are skipping over a lot of the general concerns (usability, functionality, quality of software, price) that most of us have about the medium.

Also, while their is a good segment of core gamers that are very excited about VR, a lot of us seem to have concerned to negative viewpoints about it as well...........but, their is very little of that latter viewpoint reflected in gaming media.

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Octane

Definitely. I still have my doubts, and I'm sure it won't be easy for VR to become even remotely successful. We'll see how well it does very soon though.

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Tasuki

Of course these media outlets are over hyping it. Alot of them are probably getting paid by Sony and other companies involved to create a hype. Others are just people who are hyped for VR stuff and who are blinded to everything negative about it cause they just it want to succeed. Looked at how hyped people were for motion controls, and where are they now?

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themcnoisy

Completely overhyped. There's some magic belief that the screen being 3 inches from your eyes will improve the experience. I call shenanigans.

Funnily I've read 2 articles by oculus rift users / owners who say after the initial wow factor, they just don't bother using it anymore.

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BAMozzy

Its 3D TV all over again. The initial WOW factor of it will fade.

For those that do 'invest' in VR - whether that's Morpheus or the technically superior Oculus Rift, I wonder how long it will be before the first person ends up in A&E with some related injury caused by not having peripheral vision. I wonder how long it will take before they start suffering some directly related symptoms from wearing it - Eye related issues, nausea, headaches etc. I find watching 3D on my TV 'uncomfortable' after an hour - Its trying to focus on things artificially out of focus as they want you to look at something specific. A classic example is when characters in the mid-ground are talking but something in the foreground/background is happening and you try to look at it and your eyes try to 'focus' on it but can't. The fact that your eyes need to focus on different things at differing focal lengths, really concerns me with having something strapped a few inches in front of your eyes. I couldn't play the Virtual boy for more than 5 minutes and struggled with the Tomytronic 3D games too. I know the technology has improved but a lot of the issues I had was the fact it was so close to my eyes.

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mrobinson91

I do think VR has a place and could be popular, having used it I can also understand the hype around it. It genuinely is incredible...

However, how many gamers can complete block out the outside world when gaming? I know I can't (and I don't even have kids...yet). I often chat to my partner when gaming and can't imagine she'd be happy if most nights I completely ignored her to be in a virtual reality. This is the main reason I don't think it will be a gaming staple...but it will have it's place.

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usb

Not sure its being over hyped the gaming industry has been waiting for a long time for VR to come good. Will this first generation of the technology be perfect no, will it change the world again no. But its the starting point and each generation of the tech will get better and more affordable. It will not be for everyone. I can not see Twitch users putting it on and streaming.

The importance is that you have different companies competing to bring out products which will drive the technology to get btter and better. I am looking forward to the immersion the VR will provide.

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BAMozzy

@dryrain: Like you said, its something the industry wants - not necessarily the gamers. I think they want it because its 'something' that isn't currently available. Where else can they go? We have seen a variety of controllers including motion and even where your whole body can become a 'controller'. We have seen 3D games and by this I mean games that require a 3D TV not things like SM64. Its the next logical step to combine 3D and motion but that doesn't mean its 'wanted'.

Did 3D improve gaming, did motion control change gaming - to a degree I guess but mainly in a few genres - Dance/fitness/sport but hardly the norm. I have no doubt that the technology could drive VR improvements but we are seeing less and less 3D games now as well as fewer motion based games. I find the PS4 games that try to use the Touchpad or motion, it feels shoe-horned in for the sake of it. I don't think shaking my controller and mimicking a 'spray can' (Infamous) improves the experience.

At best I can see VR being used just as a 'screen' but I can't see it lasting. It may spawn or suit a niche genre but these could get repetitive.

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@bamozzy the spray can shaking for me was really good. The touchpad pad is good its just not being used by developers. If Microsoft had it on its controller it would help because you could just use the same controls when doing the game design But at the moment its an extra feature that unless Sony push it seems to go missing in most games. It would be good in FPS for reloading the weapon just running your finger across. I would like to see the motion part of the controller used more it has been used well in the past on PS3.

3D technology just does not look very good when they can do it better maybe it will be adopted more. Never played on Kinnect MS seemed to give up on it to keep the price lower for the system. But I think it works for the right games.

Vr has a place in gamingniche or not will wait and see. But it will also excel in transporting people to places they might never visit. You can walk round art galleries, museums, go shopping in stores. There are so many possibities.

I think motion technology can work well just look at the success of the Wii it got people playing a sytem that would never have normally been played.

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sub12

@get2sammyb:

Very few if any of us, but my question is return is.......why are certain sections of the gaming media so adamant about hyping it up without addressing logical concerns.

We all lived through the kinetic and move years, and while both situations are not in every way comparable, the gaming media did the same thing there......they hyped products which ultimately gave mediocre to poor experiences, despite promising so much.

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ShogunRok

I've tried both PlayStation VR and the Oculus Rift - and I was impressed by both. However, I have little faith in either of them being beneficial as a whole to gaming. I also think that the chances of them taking off - again, in terms of gaming - are relatively slim.

The main reason behind this way of thinking is that I don't think the specific software will be there. At this point in time, no big publisher is going to pump money into a title made purely for VR, and to me, that's just the start of the problem. We all know what happens to a device that doesn't have a good enough software library: it doesn't sell. And if it doesn't sell, the library doesn't grow.

I'd be far more confident in PS VR if there was any game that didn't look like a tech demo or an experiment, but that's all we've seen so far.

Again, though, this is in terms of gaming. It's been said before but I do think that there's potential for it in other areas of entertainment, but even then, it's very early days.

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get2sammyb

@sub12: Because this is honestly legit cool, as people will realise when they try it. There are mighty obstacles to overcome, and I personally haven't seen any publications shying away from them, but this is phase one and I genuinely do believe there's a future in the technology - even if it's not necessarily games.

You should be sceptical without doubt, but from my point of view, gaming needs a shake-up right now, and maybe other publications feel the same way. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be more honest about the limitations and problems, but I can see why some sites might be taking a glass half-full approach rather than @ShogunRok's glass half-empty approach.

Hopefully we'll strike the right balance on this site!

Mega-Gazz

Think of the pr0n!

Also I agree about gaming needing a shakeup. Too many open-world tower-climbing bobble-collecting adventures with rpg elements. Other templates too, but things are definitely getting formulaic.

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Octane

@get2sammyb: It may be a cool experience, but that doesn't change the fact that VR is, and always will be, an expensive set-up. I doubt many gamers are willing to give it a shot, especially when they haven't tried it before. Is it as amazing as reviewers have described it? Undoubtedly. However, I don't think it'll be as popular as some people seem to think.

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get2sammyb

@Octane: That's fair, but all new technology starts out expensive. None of us would have mobile phones, tablets, or HD televisions if everyone thought like that. I get what you're saying and I'm certainly not suggesting that VR is as "necessary" as the aforementioned appliances, but it's the exact same discussion we've had before about every new piece of tech.

I'm sure Sony will be working hard to get VR into as many retailers as they can possibly manage. It really is essential that people try it.

Octane

@get2sammyb: I agree. However the problem with VR ia that you need to render the game on 2 screens in a very high resolution. If you take PS VR for example, a game would always look much better on a TV, because it doesn't need to render the game twice.

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Tasuki

So my thing is with the VR helmet what is that going to do for social gaming? One of the biggest flaws with the Virtual Boy was that only the person wearing the thing can see the game. How would local co-op games work? More then likely you would have to buy two helmets. What is you wanted to show someone a particular trouble spot in a game? So far this is another anti social device. How would you be able to play party games like Mario Kart or something along those lines?

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